230 MrEndeavour Members 652 posts 13,813 battles Report post #1 Posted February 9, 2017 Funny T9 game that I just played where the top 3 XP earners were all tier 7. You have the Scharnhorst. The Poi ship. And last but not least, the fire starter that is the Belfast. Strong ships or good players? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,363 [HYD] Aduial Members 7,105 posts 5,289 battles Report post #2 Posted February 9, 2017 I would say a combination of both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
17,302 [WOLF5] HazeGrayUnderway [WOLF5] Members 38,167 posts 30,926 battles Report post #3 Posted February 9, 2017 Those are excellent ships, but then again there are other bad ships too at the tier. Just like any tier you got good and bad selections. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,513 atPrick__ Members 16,315 posts 12,285 battles Report post #4 Posted February 9, 2017 I want that MM in my Ibuki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
83 Zim_Xero Members 765 posts 2,849 battles Report post #5 Posted February 9, 2017 Your image is just a sample, not proof. I do, however, think you are on the money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,941 [CHIGR] pikohan [CHIGR] Members 3,641 posts 18,843 battles Report post #6 Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) I would say a combination of both. I would agree. It really bothers me that a lot of the power creep is Premiums, but I'm glad the Poi machine is up there being a regular tech-tree boat. Edited February 9, 2017 by pikohan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,315 [HEROS] Warlord_Deadeye_Pete Members 2,094 posts 19,478 battles Report post #7 Posted February 9, 2017 the Belfast.. just a bit OP The Sharn, in the hands of a good player very strong.. the Shiratsuyu? just a good player 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
83 Zim_Xero Members 765 posts 2,849 battles Report post #8 Posted February 9, 2017 As a Belfast owner... and knowing that WG get a LOT of flak anytime they nerf a premium ship, i am hoping they discontinue sale shortly, and just offer the Belfast in boxes and Christmas time specials. I don't know what to say other than... even though its OP a little, you will still lose in it regarly, unless yoiu are good with it as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,562 [SYN] Kapitan_Wuff Members 8,292 posts 14,496 battles Report post #9 Posted February 9, 2017 A little of both I think. Also just goes to shop the +2/-2 MM is absolutely manageable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
296 [TFLT] Viper069 [TFLT] Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 841 posts Report post #10 Posted February 9, 2017 It's got nothing to do with power creep. Granted, some of the premies have some very good attributes, but I see this kind of thing everyday. It's across all tiers. I, and everyone else play down a couple of tiers all the time and often find myself at the top or near the top of the stick. The issue is all the mouth breathers failing their way into the upper tiers. Just yesterday, a really bad Tirpitz driver on the team. 150 games, several high tier premies. Maybe just my frustration, but the last month has seen the playerbase really degraded. IMHO... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,053 [SYN] MrDeaf Members 16,027 posts 12,803 battles Report post #11 Posted February 9, 2017 Izumo is the worst T9 BB Ibuki isn't exactly a top notch T9 cruiser either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
153 [-BMV-] Angelhunter Members 763 posts 5,345 battles Report post #12 Posted February 9, 2017 Combination of both. I personally feel like most ships in the tier 7-9 spread can all hurt each other effectively when played well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,685 [-K-] Lord_Zath Supertest Coordinator, Alpha Tester, WoWS Community Contributors, Wiki Editor 6,526 posts 28,454 battles Report post #13 Posted February 9, 2017 You get more xp for damaging higher tier ships, and less xp for damaging lower tier ships. Tier 9 ships are at a disadvantage for xp earnings in a tier 7-9 game. That said, they're at an advantage for damaging ships, so it should even out somewhat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,651 [CVRME] CaliburxZero [CVRME] Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 2,942 posts 10,652 battles Report post #14 Posted February 9, 2017 Good ships, and your exp calculations as Zath mentioned is from you shooting higher tier ships which will influence that.. But uh, sorry to say but one nice match showing some nice T7 ships doesn't automatically prove what you're trying to say in your thread topic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,812 [-KIA-] ValkyrWarframe Members 5,244 posts 16,381 battles Report post #15 Posted February 9, 2017 Scharnhorst is one of the best (more like overpowered) premiums at tier VII, like Belfast. Shiratsuyu does well because she can smack people with 16 torpedoes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
230 MrEndeavour Members 652 posts 13,813 battles Report post #16 Posted February 9, 2017 Good ships, and your exp calculations as Zath mentioned is from you shooting higher tier ships which will influence that.. But uh, sorry to say but one nice match showing some nice T7 ships doesn't automatically prove what you're trying to say in your thread topic. Although this is true, you have to admit that these ships are very powerful in the right hands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,197 GhostSwordsman Members 6,589 posts 8,581 battles Report post #17 Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Izumo is the worst T9 BB Ibuki isn't exactly a top notch T9 cruiser either. More over, with the way MM matches ships together, the enemy team likely had no more than 3 T9 ships. So at most, there would only be 5 tier 9 ships present in that match. I'd hardly call that a T9 game, more like T7.8 or so, since there were only 3 tier 8s on his team as well. Edited February 9, 2017 by GhostSwordsman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13 Nanostrike Members 164 posts 2,002 battles Report post #18 Posted February 9, 2017 Scharn and Belfast are both pretty OP in comparison to other Tech Tree ships and they have things that even T8/T9 ships don't have (BB Torps, CA Smoke/Hydro/Radar combo). They could easily have been T8 ships and held their own. That said, without at least decent players behind them, they're pretty lackluster when bottom-tier. The Shiratsuyu player was probably just good, though. Most DDs played by good players can punch above their weight class like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
725 [NEUTR] NeutralState Members 2,207 posts 11,692 battles Report post #19 Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) The amount of clueless captains in high tier MM out weights drastically the ones that knows how to win. Judging by the fact that all your destroyers survived till the end of th battle. It is much likely that due to your team having a invisible screen of torp slingers folded the match towards your favor. Edited February 9, 2017 by NeutralState Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
537 [KNTAI] Battlecruiser_Amagi [KNTAI] Members 3,134 posts 9,120 battles Report post #20 Posted February 9, 2017 Izumo is the worst T9 BB Ibuki isn't exactly a top notch T9 cruiser either. The Izumo is a good ship though. It might not be the best out of the three, but it certainly is great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,153 [ARGSY] centarina Members 10,326 posts 16,228 battles Report post #21 Posted February 9, 2017 that is all about the player, not the ship. I've gotten top XP in sims going against fletchers. I am sure I've done it in gneisenau as well. because you are bottom tiered, you actually get more xp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
18 [TLW] Potato_First_Class Members 68 posts 18,140 battles Report post #22 Posted February 9, 2017 And the bottom 3 were tier 7 also. So likely more about player skill and lack of rather than power creep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
17,302 [WOLF5] HazeGrayUnderway [WOLF5] Members 38,167 posts 30,926 battles Report post #23 Posted February 9, 2017 The Izumo is a good ship though. It might not be the best out of the three, but it certainly is great. Izumo is also doing better than Iowa these days. When one of the supposedly "Best" USN BBs, Iowa, is worse than the "Worst" IJN BB, what does that say about the USN BB line? It always amuses me when people say Izumo is the worst battleship EVAR but Izumo is doing better than Iowa. It's been going like this for a year now. At least Izumo doesn't get insta-deleted the moment someone takes a peep up her skirt like Iowa does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,053 [SYN] MrDeaf Members 16,027 posts 12,803 battles Report post #24 Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Izumo is also doing better than Iowa these days. When one of the supposedly "Best" USN BBs, Iowa, is worse than the "Worst" IJN BB, what does that say about the USN BB line... ...It always amuses me when people say Izumo is the worst battleship EVAR but Izumo is doing better than Iowa. It's been going like this for a year now. At least Izumo doesn't get insta-deleted the moment someone takes a peep up her skirt like Iowa does. Umm.. Clearly, they are neck and neck Iowa 48.74% vs. 48.70% Izumo = 0.04% WR in favor of Iowa Iowa 55,680 vs. 59,790 Izumo = 4,110 dmg in favor of Izumo Iowa 1.0 vs 1.1 Izumo = 0.1 K/D in favor of Izumo Iowa 32% vs 31% Izumo = 1% Survival rate in favor of Iowa So that's like 1 penetration extra on the Izumo, resulting in 1 extra kill over 10 games, yet Iowa will win 1 extra game over 2500 battles and survive 1 extra time over 300 games or there abouts. Edited February 9, 2017 by MrDeaf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
56 [JFFC] Capt_Pyro Members 189 posts 18,401 battles Report post #25 Posted February 10, 2017 Funny T9 game that I just played where the top 3 XP earners were all tier 7. You have the Scharnhorst. The Poi ship. And last but not least, the fire starter that is the Belfast. Strong ships or good players? With my 6 skill capt on newly bought Scharanhorst Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
