So, WG. What is with the Montana?

[DrMacintosh]

Ok lets be real. I love Montana. I do really well in Montana. Montana was my first and only t10.......but this needs to be said.......

 

In most situations Montana is more than capable of being an amazing CA/DD deleter with one of the heaviest situational broadsides in the game. But put her against any high tier non American BB and she will more than struggle. She cant fight at range because she can get penned, she can't fight close up because she will get penned and hammered by secondaires, and she can't fight at medium ranges for she will still be penned and hammered with secondaries.

 

Her guns lack the penetration to get through the armor of both the germans and the japanese unless they show your their broadside and even then, nothing is 100%.  

 

I would be able to live with these things if the ship was just not able to compete due to her specifications, but that isn't why Montana is the way she is right now. I can find no justification for why Montana has her current armor model.

 

There are currently 3 t10 battleships. Both the Japanese and the Germans have a mostly historic armor model with their low citadels, thick plating and more polygons than the PS2.

Then we have Montana. Montana (and Iowa) have STS armor plates removed, her citadel artificially raised, and has less angles than a box of nekos  

 

Everything other than her irrelevant AA and half way decent maneuverability sets up Montana to be the perpetual loser of end game BB engagements. I do not understand how WG can make 2/3 t10 BBs at least 90% accurate, then make and keep Montana in her current state.

 

 

There are very easy ways to fix these issues. The more complex way would be to give Montana her correct armor model. (lowering the citadel, adding in her STS plates, etc.)

 

The easy way would be to

decrease her rudder shift time and make Montana the maneuverable BB

 

or

 

give Montana radar, completing the trend of giving each t10 BB something [edited]about it. (Yam has guns, Kurfurst has armor, Montana would have radar.....or literally anything plz WG) 

 

 

or WG could do none of these things and make the USN the perpetual loser for no real reason other than bias from what I can see. 

[TenguBlade]

or WG could do none of these things and make the USN the perpetual loser for no real reason other than bias from what I can see. 

As much as I hate anyone who bashes WG for Russian bias, if I'm being a realist here on that subject I think you answered your own question.

[Destroyer_HatsuzukiKai]

I got my montana this month, I dont see any issue with her tbh. My montana loves some German and Japanese BBqs especially when bow-on.

[DrMacintosh]

bow-on.

Montana can be penetrated from the bow just fyi

 

Bow on enemy ships will bounce your 16" shells too

 

My argument is built off of server stats, not personal experience. 

[TenguBlade]

Montana can be penetrated from the bow just fyi

 

Bow on enemy ships will bounce your 16" shells too

 

My argument is built off of server stats, not personal experience. 

Only by Yamato.  Grosser Kurfurst may not suffer from that same lolpen weakness, but she's arguably more vulnerable from the front than Montana because her giant superstructure eats normal-pen damage all day, not to mention that her turrets have both the weakest armor and the worst angles (they're boxy with very little sloped armor because Nazi engineers in general have an aversion to that - see the King Tiger).

 

Now that I think about it, that's basically Nazi designs in a nutshell.  Taken from SpaceCat's "How to King Tiger" but basically applies to German high-tier BB turrets too.

[DrMacintosh]

Only by Yamato.  Grosser Kurfurst is arguably more vulnerable from the front than Montana because her giant superstructure eats normal-pen damage all day.

 

Both of those ships are still in better positions to counter Montana though.....

[TenguBlade]

Both of those ships are still in better positions to counter Montana though.....

I'd disagree, I'm not scared of a GK even in my Iowa beyond 10km (it's not like Monty's slower than GK even if she's not as fast as Iowa), much less an FDG.  Once I have an angled position and am kiting them, the ball's in my court.  German BBs past secondary range are pretty much floating XP pinatas at high-tier.  Obviously in a brawl a Kurfurst will punch Montana's face in, but what ship doesn't she do that to at close range?

[Aduial]

give Montana radar, completing the trend of giving each t10 BB something [edited]about it. (Yam has guns, Kurfurst has armor, Montana would have radar.....or literally anything plz WG) 

 

No. 

 

Personally, I think that Montana is fine. The only reason why she looks bad is because of the way her rivals are very strong. If you compare the Montana to the other ships, CAs and DDs, there is nothing wrong with her. 

 

Edit: Changed the wording slightly.

[Wo_9]

Montana has better pen at longer range's than currfurst, and she is more accurate.  Really if your trying to brawl against a currfurst in a Montana, Montana is never going to win unless a ram happens.  

 

As for Yamato, the only real way to win against her is to suprise her or close the distance, which is the opposite of what you want to do against a currfurst.  

[DrMacintosh]

 

No. 

 

Personally, I think that Montana is fine. The only reason why she looks bad is because of the way her rivals are very strong. If you compare the Montana to the other ships, CAs and DDs, there is nothing wrong with her. 

 

Edit: Changed the wording slightly.

 

Then nerf the other BBs or give Montana her correct armor. Montana isnt fine, she is the objectively worst t10 BB in the game. 

[DrMacintosh]

Montana has better pen at longer range's than currfurst, and she is more accurate.  Really if your trying to brawl against a currfurst in a Montana, Montana is never going to win unless a ram happens.  

 

As for Yamato, the only real way to win against her is to suprise her or close the distance, which is the opposite of what you want to do against a currfurst.  

 

So possible survival or assured defeat? Seemes balanced

[Grevester]

This is an arcade game meant to portray ships in real life, not to balance them against eachother.

[DrMacintosh]

This is an arcade game meant to portray ships in real life, not to balance them against eachother.

 

ugh

 

 I know its a joke but there is so much wrong with that statement 

[Aduial]

 

Then nerf the other BBs or give Montana her correct armor. Montana isnt fine, she is the objectively worst t10 BB in the game. 

 

The mistake is comparing the Montana only to the other BBs. If you compare her to the CAs and DDs, she is not really that weak. 

Perhaps giving the other T10 BBs a slight nerf wouldn't be a bad idea though. Perhaps a nerf in one aspect (kinda drawing a blank on what exactly, but I'm sure we can find something to nerf), and a slight increase in maneuverability? 

[Wo_9]

 

ugh

 

 I know its a joke but there is so much wrong with that statement 

 

He is not wrong.   Montana is not a brawler play her as such.  stop thinking every ship has to perform exactly like the rest. 

[DrMacintosh]

 

 If you compare her to the CAs and DDs, she is not really that weak. 

 

The problem is that once you start doing that you admit that she is not really a BB, which is just an insult to the USN. Montana would have been the pinnacle of Battleship design had she been built. 

 

I would not be opposed to the rest of what you said though. 

[DrMacintosh]

 

 Montana is not a brawler 

That is the thing......Montana isnt anything. My gripe is that WG arbitrarily made Montana the way she is. 

[DrMacintosh]

 

He is not wrong.   Montana is not a brawler play her as such.  stop thinking every ship has to perform exactly like the rest. 

 

And he is wrong. Wows is an arcade game meant to balance ships, not portray them in real life. WG is failing at the balancing part as far as the USN is concerned, and WG knows that. 

[Destroyer_HatsuzukiKai]

Just because people doesnt know how to play her doesnt mean she's bad.

WIth the German BBs you can just yolo rush without thinking and get something out of it. With the Yamato you can just go bow-on and AP anything from any angle without much effort. With the monty you need to play smart, use your concealment as an advantage, and know when to use HE.

 

edit.

Also, monty deals with any other ship class much better than Yamato or Kurfurst.

While Yamato and Kurfurst gets deleted by CVs, monty can defend herself, she deletes DDs and Cruisers much better and gets away from bad situations much easier because of her better concealment.

[DrMacintosh]

Just because people doesnt know how to play her doesnt mean she's bad.

WIth the German BBs you can just yolo rush without thinking and get something out of it. With the Yamato you can just go bow-on and AP anything from any angle without much effort. With the monty you need to play smart, use your concealment as an advantage, and know when to use HE.

 

So essentially your justification for Montana being the way she is and performing the way she does is

"Git Gud" 

 

But in doing so you also admitted that the reasons the germans and japanese are the way they are is because the ship is modeled correctly......

 

That was very productive of you. 

[BlueWaterWolf]

Just to stir the pot...

 

Last night I was in a brawl with a Montana in my Amagi.  I use chain fire up close instead of volley. FOUR Citadels in ten rounds fired. Never saw a Montana lose health so fast. I have lost some of my fear of them now.

[DrMacintosh]

Just to stir the pot...

 

Last night I was in a brawl with a Montana in my Amagi.  I use chain fire up close instead of volley. FOUR Citadels in ten rounds fired. Never saw a Montana lose health so fast. I have lost some of my fear of them now.

 

Sounds like a combo of a bad Montana driver and the flaw of Montana being that she cant fight other BBs very well.

[Destroyer_HatsuzukiKai]

 

So essentially your justification for Montana being the way she is and performing the way she does is

"Git Gud"

 

That was very productive of you. 

 

I used to play dota2 a lot and gonna give you an example from there, hopefully you can understand.

 

There are heroes in the game with a horrendous winrate in pubs ( random battles basically ), I'm talking about 40%~45% WR and yet they are top-picks on the competitive scene.

 

Just like that, there are ships that are harder to use and the great majority of our player base are a bunch of potatoes who dont even try to improve, those are the people who gives the broadside to Yamatos and Kurfursts, gets deleted and lowers the monty average stats, while the same player on the kurfurst would have survived and got something with the secondaries.

[Aquitanic]

People see Kurfursts and Yamatos, and they get concerned because that armor and those guns. People see Montanas and

[Lampshade_M1A2]

All of these people making excuses for the Montana being the worst of the three T10 battleships.