3,999 [V_KNG] Herr_Reitz Beta Testers 13,205 posts Report post #1 Posted January 18, 2017 I see the dubloons needed to respect/reskill a commander - the Seven Battle reward - cannot be obtained in coop. Wait a moment... Okay i'm ready 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,366 [-K-] Mesrith Members, Beta Testers 3,105 posts 10,659 battles Report post #2 Posted January 18, 2017 You can have your cat walk on your keyboard while looking at the commander skills screen and still end up with a viable bot-killing talent build. 36 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,999 [V_KNG] Herr_Reitz Beta Testers 13,205 posts Report post #3 Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) What I was hoping they would do - which would really have been a huge amazing thing... beyond their ability to comprehend WHY they would do it... was give people a seven day period from their update download to try out ALL the skills. No cost to reskill. Only then would we all know for ourselves what we preferred.... but oh no... 10K commander experience points per skill point or one dubloon each skill... win 7 battles get 20 dubloons... so maybe you can reskill one hi-skill commander or split it across two... I for one am holding off until others post their best skill configs here in the forum. BTW - I asked folks in the early matches who took the RDF or Radio Location option. Would you believe none of the players even knew what it was? I do so wish folks would hit forums and learn about the game... Edited January 18, 2017 by Herr_Reitz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,373 [INTEL] CapnCappy Members 3,265 posts 6,614 battles Report post #4 Posted January 18, 2017 You can have your cat walk on your keyboard while looking at the commander skills screen and still end up with a viable bot-killing talent build. SHOTS FIRED! (While I generally agree for T6<, T7+, I'll take everything I can get. Sometimes potatoes potato and you need every bit of advantage.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
60 BOOMER_USA Beta Testers 170 posts 8,283 battles Report post #5 Posted January 18, 2017 At least they didn't require us to play co-op for the missions. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
410 [PLPTR] Cpt_RickSchwifty [PLPTR] Beta Testers 1,252 posts 6,360 battles Report post #6 Posted January 18, 2017 Does any other region have a bunch of Co-op players crying on the forums every day about "Something" because it seems like there is some new horrible greivence co-op players have with the game they are mostly not playing every other day. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
11,982 [SALVO] ArIskandir Members 17,227 posts 10,454 battles Report post #7 Posted January 18, 2017 So PvE gained a full 10% more overall population in a week? Interesting. Shame it isn't the stock market. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,374 [NG-NL] Reymu Members 7,170 posts 12,728 battles Report post #8 Posted January 18, 2017 I would think you're be grateful. 7 wins can be obtained fairly easily if you play Random enough, and 20 doubloons is excellent given the dirt-cheap respec cost now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
594 sbcptnitro Members 2,709 posts 17,651 battles Report post #9 Posted January 18, 2017 You can have your cat walk on your keyboard while looking at the commander skills screen and still end up with a viable bot-killing talent build. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,646 [BWC] Jakob_Knight Beta Testers 3,570 posts 10,019 battles Report post #10 Posted January 18, 2017 Wait...if you win battles, that probably means you have a viable selection of captain's skills and won't need the doubloons to reset your skills, making them more or less unneeded. However if you are losing battles because of poor selections with the new skill tree, you will need the doubloons but be unable to get them because...you keep losing. Huh? Okay. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
197 Kconvey_1 Members 1,819 posts Report post #11 Posted January 18, 2017 What I was hoping they would do - which would really have been a huge amazing thing... beyond their ability to comprehend WHY they would do it... was give people a seven day period from their update download to try out ALL the skills. No cost to reskill. Only then would we all know for ourselves what we preferred.... but oh no... 10K commander experience points per skill point or one dubloon each skill... win 7 battles get 20 dubloons... so maybe you can reskill one hi-skill commander or split it across two... I for one am holding off until others post their best skill configs here in the forum. BTW - I asked folks in the early matches who took the RDF or Radio Location option. Would you believe none of the players even knew what it was? I do so wish folks would hit forums and learn about the game... Yeah there is no point being a coop player in this game anymore, I give up and quit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
197 Kconvey_1 Members 1,819 posts Report post #12 Posted January 18, 2017 I would think you're be grateful. 7 wins can be obtained fairly easily if you play Random enough, and 20 doubloons is excellent given the dirt-cheap respec cost now. Some of us refuse to play pvp because of the horrible toxic enviroment. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
197 Kconvey_1 Members 1,819 posts Report post #13 Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Wait...if you win battles, that probably means you have a viable selection of captain's skills and won't need the doubloons to reset your skills, making them more or less unneeded. However if you are losing battles because of poor selections with the new skill tree, you will need the doubloons but be unable to get them because...you keep losing. Huh? Okay. Reminds me of city of heroes, when they first decided to respec your power choices, they made the most difficult mission in the game up to that point.... for people who messed up their power selections... right.... The mission should be lose 7 battles... and should be called ... you done messed it up son! Edited January 18, 2017 by Kconvey_1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,974 [-K--] Spyde Beta Testers 4,841 posts 14,894 battles Report post #14 Posted January 18, 2017 Some of us refuse to play pvp because of the horrible toxic enviroment. PvP games aren't meant for everyone.... Its not hard to ignore people in game.... and its far from toxic that some of you make it out to be. Yeah there is no point being a coop player in this game anymore, I give up and quit. Except there is no point of giving good rewards in coop, as the games are so short..and so easy to go in and out of. You can get 7 wins in less than an hour. Drive right at enemy shoot.. go to next game... no tactics needed. Its a PvP Game... CooP was NEVER meant for more than training and testing stuff. This has been stated by WG. It was also stated that you will get some content in 2017 as they are surprised people actually play coop and will develop it. Till then.. meh 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
197 Kconvey_1 Members 1,819 posts Report post #15 Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) PvP games aren't meant for everyone.... Its not hard to ignore people in game.... and its far from toxic that some of you make it out to be. Except there is no point of giving good rewards in coop, as the games are so short..and so easy to go in and out of. You can get 7 wins in less than an hour. Drive right at enemy shoot.. go to next game... no tactics needed. Its a PvP Game... CooP was NEVER meant for more than training and testing stuff. This has been stated by WG. It was also stated that you will get some content in 2017 as they are surprised people actually play coop and will develop it. Till then.. meh Then make it 15 wins for coop, the games in total are about half the length of a pvp, so this would be fair, Ive often said, I dont mind adjustments for pve. Also you cant say pvp games arent meant for everyone, and then say coop is a training mode only. The two are mutually exclusive, at least try to keep your story and message consistent.. okay. And straight from the devs mouth, 30% primarily play coop, that is alot of players, and they just keep ignoring us, pushing us to the side and giving us the boot. They created the coop problem themselves when they made the game at tier 5/6 so horrible that no one wants to play it and the people there are cranky as hell. Edited January 18, 2017 by Kconvey_1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
760 [WOLF5] Patton5150 Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters, Beta Testers 3,083 posts 61,163 battles Report post #16 Posted January 18, 2017 I'm not surprised about anything WG does anymore. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,974 [-K--] Spyde Beta Testers 4,841 posts 14,894 battles Report post #17 Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Then make it 15 wins for coop, the games in total are about half the length of a pvp, so this would be fair, Ive often said, I dont mind adjustments for pve. Also you cant say pvp games arent meant for everyone, and then say coop is a training mode only. The two are mutually exclusive, at least try to keep your story and message consistent.. okay. And straight from the devs mouth, 30% primarily play coop, that is alot of players, and they just keep ignoring us, pushing us to the side and giving us the boot. They created the coop problem themselves when they made the game at tier 5/6 so horrible that no one wants to play it and the people there are cranky as hell. Do we even know what that 30% number is exactly ? 30% of all games are coop. 30% of players have played coop ? 30% of games is a skew number as games are vastly shorter and you can pump them out. In Reality.. They are going to cater to the 70% of population.. It makes no sense to spend alot of time and Resources on 30%.. when you can keep the majority happy. tbh people should be happy they have actually looked at Pve stuff for 2017. Edited January 18, 2017 by Spyde Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
157 PTX_007_03C Members 800 posts 7,359 battles Report post #18 Posted January 18, 2017 I think anyone who wanted to test the new skills that much would be playing in the PTR. Just saying. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
197 Kconvey_1 Members 1,819 posts Report post #19 Posted January 18, 2017 Do we even know what that 30% number is exactly ? 30% of all games are coop. 30% of players have played coop ? 30% of games is a skew number as games are vastly shorter and you can pump them out. In Reality.. They are going to cater to the 70% of population.. It makes no sense to spend alot of time and Resources on 30%.. when you can keep the majority happy. 30% of player play primarily coop, as in most of their games are coop, thats players not games. 30% is a large enough number that they shouldnt be ignored. And it would take all of about 5 minutes, to make the missions suitable for coop play. 15-20 coop games per mission as a seperate mission, done and done.. everyone is happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,883 [YORHA] JCC45 Members 5,460 posts 12,130 battles Report post #20 Posted January 18, 2017 Yeah there is no point being a coop player in this game anymore, I give up and quit. OK. See you tomorrow. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
135 [FROGS] HanoverFist1970 [FROGS] Beta Testers 339 posts 2,016 battles Report post #21 Posted January 18, 2017 I'm not surprised about anything WG does anymore. Amen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,039 Skpstr Members 34,409 posts 10,768 battles Report post #22 Posted January 18, 2017 Do we even know what that 30% number is exactly ? According to the dev quote in the Q&A, around 30% of the playerbase plays mainly co-op. So what we know is that ~30% of the playerbase plays 50.1% co-op games. Obviously, the number of people playing co-op exclusively will be less than that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
197 Kconvey_1 Members 1,819 posts Report post #23 Posted January 18, 2017 OK. See you tomorrow. No Im serious, Im gone, this was the last damn straw, there are enough other games out there. And Ive been meaning to go try star trek online which is very similar to this, they have just ticked me off one too many times. And the coop revamp is indefinitely delayed, there is no point for the coop player to be here anymore, and they arent going to bother with making fixes if we dont do something more drastic like quit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,974 [-K--] Spyde Beta Testers 4,841 posts 14,894 battles Report post #24 Posted January 18, 2017 30% of player play primarily coop, as in most of their games are coop, thats players not games. 30% is a large enough number that they shouldnt be ignored. And it would take all of about 5 minutes, to make the missions suitable for coop play. 15-20 coop games per mission as a seperate mission, done and done.. everyone is happy. Just because the Content Devs noticed the 30%. Doesn't mean the marketing crew or the people who setup the missions have. Most likely the same difference of the EU shop having a Constant 20+ Ships for sale while we only get 12-13 at a time in prem shop. Different Marketing Groups.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,039 Skpstr Members 34,409 posts 10,768 battles Report post #25 Posted January 18, 2017 I'm not surprised about anything WG does anymore. I would have agreed with you, except all the free (as in spend no money) stuff they made available recently kinda blew me away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
