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Le Fantasque Class the fastest destroyer ever and some served the allies after the fall of France. 5 main guns, 9 torpedo tubes, lots of AA. It was reclassified as a CL during the war.

 

Be that as it may, she's incredibly likely to end up being the tier IX DD for a French destroyer line.


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Le Fantasque Class the fastest destroyer ever

 

Speed will be nerfed. Can't have something faster than the Russian ships, even if this one was a real ship that could actually make that speed.

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Speed will be nerfed. Can't have something faster than the Russian ships, even if this one was a real ship that could actually make that speed.

 

45 knot le Fantasque or riot!!!!


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45 knot le Fantasque or riot!!!!

 

You do know France, like Italy, was notorious for getting their speed trials done with ships at light load, or basically below Standard load.

 

The Fantasque made 39 knots at full load and only 37 knots after the US refit her with more AA guns.


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You do know France, like Italy, was notorious for getting their speed trials done with ships at light load, or basically below Standard load.

 

The Fantasque made 39 knots at full load and only 37 knots after the US refit her with more AA guns.

 

And Leningrad makes a completely fictional (and laughably so) 46 knots.

 

inb4 bias


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And Leningrad makes a completely fictional (and laughably so) 46 knots.

 

inb4 bias

 

I didn't say that was right now did I? Considering it only managed 42 knots on a light load and 39.7 knots at it's trial load.

 

Now that being said, she only hits 46 knots in game with speed boost, and sits at 43 knots without, which should be at 40 knots without and 43 knots with boost.


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I didn't say that was right now did I? Considering it only managed 42 knots on a light load and 39.7 knots at it's trial load.

 

Now that being said, she only hits 46 knots in game with speed boost, and sits at 43 knots without, which should be at 40 knots without and 43 knots with boost.

 

Just saying they don't care too much about what speed a ship actually makes.

 

 as long as it is made for glorious republyk )))))

 


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You do know France, like Italy, was notorious for getting their speed trials done with ships at light load, or basically below Standard load.

 

The Fantasque made 39 knots at full load and only 37 knots after the US refit her with more AA guns.

 

I was referring more to the class than specifically le Fantasque, specifically le Terrible who was able to make 45 knots on her trials. But I do see your point, and I'm well aware of the fact all ships of the class were down to a top speed of 37 knots after all their refits stateside... At which point they were carrying far more weight than was ever intended.


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You do know France, like Italy, was notorious for getting their speed trials done with ships at light load, or basically below Standard load.

 

The Fantasque made 39 knots at full load and only 37 knots after the US refit her with more AA guns.

 

On the other hand, Hatsuharu and Shiratsuyu, as they are configured in WoWs, would be doing 34 knots and 30 knots, had WG not used the initial speed trial numbers, before they got weighed down by AAA and ASW.

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You do know France, like Italy, was notorious for getting their speed trials done with ships at light load, or basically below Standard load.

 

The Fantasque made 39 knots at full load and only 37 knots after the US refit her with more AA guns.

 

you do know the purpose of these trials was to push machinery to extremes and the Regia Marina had full ratings for speed at various load levels and had scientifically studied and modeled how the ships would perform in real world applications? Yet this keeps being trotted out like the designers where imbeciles?

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you do know the purpose of these trials was to push machinery to extremes and the Regia Marina had full ratings for speed at various load levels and had scientifically studied and modeled how the ships would perform in real world applications? Yet this keeps being trotted out like the designers where imbeciles?

 

 

There was also a large propaganda factor. You wanted the world (and your citizens) to think your ships were better than everybody else's so there was certainly a push to fudge the numbers a bit in your news releases (even if your navy knew the real numbers). These were brand new ships with clean hulls too. One of the problems with many of the paper ships is they never had any reality check. Think about how the 1930's IJN DDs would have fared as paper ships. Lots of guns and high speeds. The fact that they were too top-heavy only came out due to a reality check.

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There was also a large propaganda factor. You wanted the world (and your citizens) to think your ships were better than everybody else's so there was certainly a push to fudge the numbers a bit in your news releases (even if your navy knew the real numbers). These were brand new ships with clean hulls too. One of the problems with many of the paper ships is they never had any reality check. Think about how the 1930's IJN DDs would have fared as paper ships. Lots of guns and high speeds. The fact that they were too top-heavy only came out due to a reality check.

Basically what Akatsuki is in the game right now...having 38 kn speed is more preferable than having less concealment than the Americans


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you do know the purpose of these trials was to push machinery to extremes and the Regia Marina had full ratings for speed at various load levels and had scientifically studied and modeled how the ships would perform in real world applications? Yet this keeps being trotted out like the designers where imbeciles?

 

Actually, no it wasn't. I was done for publicity in most cases and it's why you only see them do it for their smaller units. France in the period needed funding for their Naval building and both nations were pushing for funding in other areas, although, Italy not nearly as much. France did it as a way to gain public opinion by show casing it vs their Italian counter parts while the Italian Navy mostly did it to test hull lines.

 

You get far more knowledge on the machinery itself running it at 2/3rd trial and full loads due to the fact that 2/3rd fuel load was a common average during mid/short ranged voyages for most Navies. The Regina Marina and La Royale got those speed ratings when they ran the ships at those weights. No, the only imbeciles are the ones that quote those speeds and not the actual rated speeds. Then again, when the majority of these people get their figures off Wikipedia, well, I proved my own point in that regard.


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Actually, no it wasn't. I was done for publicity

 

Funny how now the max speeds of ships is often classified info. Numbers are out there but not official.

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We don't need more damn cruisers. I want more battleships.

Haha yes!


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Haha yes!

 

More BBs in the queue would be bad lol

 

Plus, we're getting two new BB lines this year anyways, British and French.


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French battleships are relatively straightforward actually - Courbet at 3, because the first Dreadnought is by definition always used as the tier 3 and then made terrible with arbitrary stats, Bretagne 4, Normandie 5, Lyon 6, the 37,000t fast battleship type A (1927) design at 7, and Richlieu at 8. After that it's either C3 'Gascogne' at 9 and Alsace type 3 at 10, or Alsace type 3 at 9, and Alsace type 2 at 10 - or my favourite, since the Germans got fake triple turrets on their tier 10 to get 12 16/16.5" guns, the French can get fake quad turrets large enough to hold 16" guns to give Alsace type 2 12x 16" guns as well.

About Gascogne, are u talking about the Richelieu with A-A turret positioning? If so, I'm against that idea. 8 15inch guns at T8 will make her the most UP T9 BB


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Well, if we won't include the Gloire and the Edgar Quinet, we have a few captured German and Austro-Hungarian cruisers to choose from, like the Thionville.


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Woot!

 

Duquesne was never going to make it, not with her armor... The k my way possible would be as some sort of premium-gimmick cruiser that lacks a citadel.

 

Suffren I was expecting at tier VII, and Algérie at tier VIII, so that's certainly intresting... I definitely like the placement of the Light Cruisers though.


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Algérie at tier VII... Come to think of it, won't she totally walk all over Yorck? I can't think of a single advantage Yorck has over Algérie, except for the high alpha on her AP...


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Algérie at tier VII... Come to think of it, won't she totally walk all over Yorck? I can't think of a single advantage Yorck has over Algérie, except for the high alpha on her AP...

 

Algérie will have similar same rate of fire to Yorck. 134kg AP shells (not quite Baltimore's 152kg super-heavy, but not that far off given 2 whole tiers are separating them) with 820m/s MV. Significantly better armor in all respects (110mm belt, 70mm fore and aft citadel bulkheads, 22m upper deck on top of 80mm main deck). So aside from AP alpha, Yorck's advantages only besides AP alpha will be...she's got more torps and is a knot faster.

 

Well maybe Algérie will have worse concealment than Yorck. She does have a pretty tall conning tower. Though with the FCS being on top of the conning tower she should also have good firing range.


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