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I love Graf, I really do. But 1 win out of 9 games?

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I bought Graf Spee so I could get a head start on Santa's Christmas Convoys. So I've played ten games in her so far. I really like her. There is, however, one catch.

 

Problem is...

 

  6 CA/CL  Germany 9 11.11% 39,736 890 1.6 0.9 0.2 44% 36% 15% 920

 

As all of my other stats an attest, I am not bad at playing her. I do above average in damage(39k, over 36k), K/D(1.6 over 1.2), average kills(0.9, over 0.8), survival(44% over 33%), gun hits(36% over 31%), and torpedo hits(15% over 9%). But I simply can't scrape a win. Seriously, what is going on? I've complained about how much Karlsruhe, Emerald, and Leander suck, but at least I can win in them.

 

 

 

 

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Sample size.

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Seriously, what is going on?

Because it's a team game, you rely on how your teammates perform as well, not only yours.

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Sample size.

 

Well lert I'm 20 battles in at a 30% w/r but I'm crushing it in all the other stats. Averaging 46k dmg, 1 kill per game and about 750k potential damage.  I'm pulling my fair share, but can't get a win very often.

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Well lert I'm 20 battles in at a 30% w/r but I'm crushing it in all the other stats. Averaging 46k dmg, 1 kill per game and about 750k potential damage.  I'm pulling my fair share, but can't get a win very often.

 

Because 20 is totally a good sample size.

 

Zero understanding of statistics.

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Because 20 is totally a good sample size.

 

Zero understanding of statistics.

 

Did i say it was the end all be all. All my stats show is a TREND. Good god man.

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Did i say it was the end all be all. All my stats show is a TREND. Good god man.

 

Because a sample size of 20 is enough to determine an accurate trend.

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Because a sample size of 20 is enough to determine an accurate trend.

 

Oh my dear god, it's enough to show the beginnings of one. Good god man.  I was more just showing I'm having the same teething issues. Do me a favor, stop stalking around the forums. It's starting to get creepy there.
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Playing on weekends usually results in poorer results.

Playing on special events usually results in poorer results.

 

Playing in BBs with the unbalanced meta ALWAYS hurts the results.

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Oh my dear god, it's enough to show the beginnings of one. Good god man.  I was more just showing I'm having the same teething issues. Do me a favor, stop stalking around the forums. It's starting to get creepy there.

 

I respond to idiocy when I see it.

 

Speaking of which, haven't you blocked me at least...twice?

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I respond to idiocy when I see it.

 

Sorry what? Oftentimes you're saying things that make sense, and then every once in a while it's like your evil half-brother logs in. Eat a snickers or something.

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Sorry what? Oftentimes you're saying things that make sense, and then every once in a while it's like your evil half-brother logs in. Eat a snickers or something.

 

Pretending that 20 matches worth of stats is enough to make any kind of judgement is idiocy.
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Pretending that 20 matches worth of stats is enough to make any kind of judgement is idiocy.

 

It's enough to support a hypothesis that Graf Spee isn't going to be very useful for winning games in the hands of the people who chose to disclose their stats here.

 

Talon didn't say the ship was bad. He didn't even say that he doesn't like Graf Spee. Just that he's pulling his weight as far as server averages go yet wins are proving elusive.

 

Chill plz kthnx.

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It is because win rate is you know....determined by random things....like how well your teammates play and such.  

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It is because win rate is you know....determined by random things....like how well your teammates play and such.  

 

You speak heresy in the eyes of The Church of Stats. Repent or ye shall spend all eternity fighting Atlantas with damage control on cooldown.

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You speak heresy in the eyes of The Church of Stats. Repent or ye shall spend all eternity fighting Atlantas with damage control on cooldown.

 

Oh, so you're one of those "stats don't mean anything" people?

 

That's also idiocy.

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Oh, so you're one of those "stats don't mean anything" people?

 

That's also idiocy.

 

That moment when sufficiently advanced sarcasm is indistinguishable from stupidity.

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20 Matches?  Your still learning the ship!

 

She's high skill, but your job is hunting cruisers and DD's, and running the hell away from BB's even same tier all of the BB seriously out gun you and the Fuso can just barely keep up with you (with a speed flag) and can certainly out range you and mounts twice your guns all of them 14".

 

The Spee and her sister were specifically designed as commerce raiders with sufficient firepower to deal with escorting cruiser DD's and corvette's.   At the time she was built the specification was to be able to out gun anything she couldn't run away from.   Here in Warships though she can run into late war ships of tier's 7 and 8 and find her self unable to out gun or out run what can catch her.  

 

While I don't have a Spee (yet.. another week!) just the numbers tell me I do NOT want to be leading the charge,,, let other ships go first.. you should be supporting other ship and deleting other cruisers and the occasional unlucky DD.   Support the big boys, finish off cripples, and BE PATIENT...you have better armor then any other cruiser out there and out gun any cruiser of your own tier or lower.  But the Tier 7 cruisers, especially of the IJN, will out gun and out run you.  (and have better torps besides!)    Learn to play the ships strengths and remember she's no speed boat.

 

Good Luck, and Good Hunting!

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Also wanted to add that right now the Graf Spee is out performing every other Tier 6 cruiser in the game.  Warships today has her at a 55.17% win rate, averaging about 10% more damage than the number 2 cruiser, tied for number 1 in average XP earned per battle, highest K/D, highest average kills per match and highest survival rate by a significant margin as well.

 

I really don't think the ships the problem in this case. 

 

 

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9 battles 11% win rate. 20 battles 30% win rate. It's simply sample size. Everyone has days of struggling to get a win no matter how well they play.

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Well, OP's first mistake was posting on this forum and not expecting salt to come pouring out of every crack in his computer's case...Second was posting ANYTHING about statistics. Have you never read anything on this forum before?

 

It would be infinitely less frustrating trying to dig a hole through solid granite with a box of toothpicks than what you're trying to do right now.

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Also wanted to add that right now the Graf Spee is out performing every other Tier 6 cruiser in the game.  Warships today has her at a 55.17% win rate, averaging about 10% more damage than the number 2 cruiser, tied for number 1 in average XP earned per battle, highest K/D, highest average kills per match and highest survival rate by a significant margin as well.

 

I really don't think the ships the problem in this case. 

 

 

 

The fewer people playing a ship, the stronger the server average performance. That's a general trend in this game rather than purely a reflection of the ship.
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The fewer people playing a ship, the stronger the server average performance. That's a general trend in this game rather than purely a reflection of the ship.

 

What a simple and elegant observation!

 

I wonder if we can come up with an empirical factor to apply whenever estimating a ship's power based on the number of battles played server-wide. One could do it by looking at clones with identical stats but different performance.

 

For instance, take Kongo:

 

FJ2sIUz.png

 

Then on the other hand, looking at Eugen/Hipper and all the Myokos, the differences are far less pronounced. What gives?

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What a simple and elegant observation!

 

I wonder if we can come up with an empirical factor to apply whenever estimating a ship's power based on the number of battles played server-wide. One could do it by looking at clones with identical stats but different performance.

 

For instance, take Kongo:

 

FJ2sIUz.png

 

Then on the other hand, looking at Eugen/Hipper and all the Myokos, the differences are far less pronounced. What gives?

 

Surely you remember the original missions for ARP Kongou and Myoukou? They were not easy.

 

I expect the difference for Kongou to decease over time, given how easy she was to obtain in the second round of ARP missions.

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