So, I didn't like Rogue One *Spoilers.*

[Battleship_DukeofYork]

Cue unpopular opinion, but anyone else feel this way?

 

*Spoilers* (You have been warned).

 

Even most super-serious war movies - Saving Private Ryan; Blackhawk Down; We Were Soldiers - don't kill everybody. The end of this movie was a complete massacre - nobody was spared (even the space combatants were largely decimated). While I understand that these are the harsh realities of war, to a certain extent, I disagree. Generally speaking A) in a war, there are survivors on both sides, and B) this hardly fits in with the tone of other Star Wars movies. There were multiple, multiple children in tears leaving the theater - I can recall being a fairly young kid and feeling like I was permanently affected by Last of the Mohicans. It's no exaggeration that some of these tots are going to carry the repercussions of this blood-letting with them to the grave.

 

Moreover, I feel like the explanation that "well they had to die, because we don't see them in the later films" is just garbage. It's a big Galaxy, with a civil war stretching from end to end. Add to that, episodes IV-VI, far from being a wide-ranging account of the conflict, really, when you think about it, focus on some very personal, tightly-fixated storylines. We aren't so much following the tale of the Galactic Civil War as we are the journeys of three main protagonists as they fight to survive. You mean to tell me in the expanse of all those star systems; trillions upon trillions of sentient beings, that a few of our heroes might have simply gone undetected (particularly when viewed through the narrow confines of the later movies)?

 

Yes, Rogue One shone a (brutal) light on the lives of those who didn't make it; the world of the forgotten grunt - but I feel like the culling was ultimately too severe. In the end, the repetition of kill shots began to remind me of nothing more than Harry Potter & the Deathly Hallows, where Rowling became so obsessed with annihilating beloved cast members that it detracted from the emotional impact of a single demise. By the time Jyn and Cassian bought it on the beach (did anyone else get serious Deep Impact vibes from that scene?), I was too numb to care. All my favorite characters had been wiped out.

 

There were bright spots, of course - I loved the final battle sequence, and seeing Vader at his absolutely most terrifying was a real treat that no Star Wars fan wouldn't gobble up. But by the time the spooky, uncanny valley violating Carrie Fisher popped up on screen and warbled (with a smile, no less, considering everyone she'd gone into battle with was dead) "hope" I was bereft of all of it. THIS is the plot that leads into A New Hope? Right.

 

[Doutech]

1) Garth Edwards said that this would be a more "mature" Star Wars movie so I really thought families would get the hint.

2) Originally Jyn and Cassian were suppose to survive but something occurred when the Disney execs saw the film over the summer and Edwards got the go ahead to kill them all off.

 

Personally I loved it but yea it does suck that they all died but their sacrifice is what causes the Rebel Alliance to have the courage to unify and actually fight the Empire the way we see them in the OT.

[OgreMkV]

I enjoyed it, but it wasn't my favorite Star Wars movie by a long shot. 

I think that too much of the final battle/resolution events felt contrived. It felt so contrived that it put me out of the moment.

 

Spoilers as well

 Like the blind guy having to walk through blaster fire to link to the transmitter. And Jenn having to climb the shaft, align the transmitter, and deal with the bad guy. 

 

 The first 90 minutes, I though was excellent. and a decent commentary on people who would do anything for their beliefs. But the movie was flawed by a bad ending. 

[Sturmkurz]

I view it more as a side story to fill in some plotholes within the original star wars movie aka how they even knew what exactly they had to do to blow up the Death Star and it did so nicely. Yes, it sucks that all the new faces died in the movie but what more purpose would they serve? The next  Star Wars movie are related to the Force Awaken  while other two will cover Boba Fett's and Han Solo's life stories. 

[Battleship_DukeofYork]

I enjoyed it, but it wasn't my favorite Star Wars movie by a long shot. 

 

I think that too much of the final battle/resolution events felt contrived. It felt so contrived that it put me out of the moment.

 

Spoilers as well

 Like the blind guy having to walk through blaster fire to link to the transmitter. And Jenn having to climb the shaft, align the transmitter, and deal with the bad guy.

 

 The first 90 minutes, I though was excellent. and a decent commentary on people who would do anything for their beliefs. But the movie was flawed by a bad ending.

 

Yeah.

 

Why didn't he RUN through the blaster fire and then RUN back? He didn't seem that handicapped when he was beating down a squad of stormtroopers with a staff. But then, there he is, stumbling his way across the battlefield like his wits have utterly left him. Contrived was definitely the right word.

 

[715]

 

I was shocked the big wigs at Disney allowed all the main characters to die.

 

If they all had to die, I would have at least liked seeing them die by the hands of Vader.

 

[Argh_My_Liver]

 I personally felt that them killing off everybody is part of what made it a good movie for me. I think it really emphasized the idea of "if the Empire is going to be beaten sacrifices need to be made" for me. Sure we've seen rebels die before but honestly has it ever really been anyone you cared about? Never really made a connection with Porkins personally. 

 

Now having said that I would have had no issue with there having been some survivors, heck that would have made it all the better in my opinion. "Lets finish what they started..." Very fitting of the rebellion.

 

Regarding the children leaving in tears well for me thats due to what I view as a rating system in need of some overhaul. Rogue one has an impressive body count on par with any full R-rated war movie but because its nice clean Star Wars violence it gets a PG rating. 

 

[Battleship_DukeofYork]

I was shocked the big wigs at Disney allowed all the main characters to die.

 

If they all had to die, I would have at least liked seeing them die by the hands of Vader.

 

Yes, absolutely. I really wanted them to miraculously survive the battle, but then Darth Vader to message Tarkin "no, I will deal with these rebels personally," then then to drop down onto the beach in his shuttle and solo them all. That, at least, would have felt organic - that our heroes have completed the mission when they run into the one foe they simply cannot overcome; the one foe who cannot be destroyed until destiny allows it.

 

[UEFEndeavour]

Personally, I loved Rogue One. I went in with low expectations but ended up being pleasantly surprised. I liked it because it wasn't it didn't fit the tone of the previous Star Wars movies. It was brutal and a far more serious and adult movie than past Star Wars films. Rogue One isn't a kids movie, its the story of a suicide mission to stop the greatest threat the galaxy has ever seen. IMO it makes the attack on the Death Star in A New Hope have that much more meaning. This one shot to kill this battle station cost hundreds if not thousands of lives and now we've seen that story and know the people that paid the ultimate price to not only bring about the destruction of the Death Star, but also make the rebellion a true alliance against the Empire.

[SluggerJackson]

I was more upset that K-2SO was destroyed than any of the human characters.  Also, if the rebels would have won a major battle it would have taken away from the Death Star's destruction in episode 4.

I didn't mind the ending, and I enjoy the choice to kill the heroes.  It prevents unnecessary sequals.  With the exception of the OT, Rogue One is my favorite Star Wars (based) movie.

[CapnCappy]

My opinion - spoiler

 

I would have loved the ending if they had just changed it to them sitting on the beach and the Millennium Falcon pulls up and the door opens and Chewy is standing there and over the intercom Han says "Let's get the hell out of here!"

 

Much more upbeat ending.

[OgreMkV]

 One other thing that it really did help explain was why the rebel forces on Yavin 4 was basically a squadron of X-wings and half a squadron of Y-wings. 

The rest of the fleet had been decimated a few days prior. 

So it has that going for it. 

 

[Battleship_DukeofYork]

My opinion - spoiler

 

 

I would have loved the ending if they had just changed it to them sitting on the beach and the Millennium Falcon pulls up and the door opens and Chewy is standing there and over the intercom Han says "Let's get the hell out of here!"

 

Much more upbeat ending.

 

Unlikely, though, considering that Han didn't get involved in the war effort (as far as we know) until Episode IV. I was just hoping a few of the minor characters would survive - the pilot (his name escapes me) and K-2SO, or something. Having the droid make it would have allowed him to cameo in Episode VIII, since robots don't age, and everyone liked him. I didn't honestly care that much about Jyn - she was kind of a self-centered b#$%@.

 

[Battleship_DukeofYork]

 One other thing that it really did help explain was why the rebel forces on Yavin 4 was basically a squadron of X-wings and half a squadron of Y-wings. 

 

The rest of the fleet had been decimated a few days prior. 

 

So it has that going for it.

 

 

Yes, that *is* a net positive. Definitely.

[715]

 

Yes, absolutely. I really wanted them to miraculously survive the battle, but then Darth Vader to message Tarkin "no, I will deal with these rebels personally," then then to drop down onto the beach in his shuttle and solo them all. That, at least, would have felt organic - that our heroes have completed the mission when they run into the one foe they simply cannot overcome; the one foe who cannot be destroyed until destiny allows it.

 

 

 This would have been amazing. Could you imagine Vader facing off with Chirrut (blind guy)? Throughout the movie we have seen Chirrut do great things with the force but then to  see Vader toy with him in a confrontation would bring more emotion to his death. After his death Maze fires his machine gun thing at Vader and Vader just absorbs all the shots and finishes him off with ease. Vader would be even more feared.

 

Of course Vader landing on the beach would not allow us to see how ruthless Tarkin is as Tarkin could not dere the Death Star to fire on Scariff. 

 

[Battleship_DukeofYork]

One thing I do like is that this destroys all hope of Jyn somehow being Rey's mommy - that's out the window. I am now defaulting to the competing theories that she is either Obi-Wan's descendant somehow... or related to Palpatine (which would be awesome).

 

[squidage]

everyone getting killed off was a great idea IMO in A New Hope they talk about all the people that died to get the planes for the deathstar to the rebs. What better way to make this feel real then to kill off everyone that went to steal the planes. 

[Mexicanarmada15]

I think the most disappointing part for me was that...

 I did not see many bothans die...... I mean seriously Mon mothma made a big statement about that and still they could not show maybe like a brigade of bothans dying. Really a plot hole that should have been tied up with this movie lol.

 

[SluggerJackson]

I think the most disappointing part for me was that...

 I did not see many bothans die...... I mean seriously Mon mothma made a big statement about that and still they could not show maybe like a brigade of bothans dying. Really a plot hole that should have been tied up with this movie lol.

 

 

That was Return of the Jedi, not A New Hope.

[Battleship_DukeofYork]

 

That was Return of the Jedi, not A New Hope.

 

Was just about the say that. Yup. The Bothans died to bring them information about the location of the Death Star II, as well as the fact that the Emperor was personally overseeing the final construction.

[Argh_My_Liver]

One thing I do like is that this destroys all hope of Jyn somehow being Rey's mommy - that's out the window. I am now defaulting to the competing theories that she is either Obi-Wan's descendant somehow... or related to Palpatine (which would be awesome).

 

 

Ya I'm very happy to see that gone, was concerned they would try and link the 2 of them. 

 

I'm hoping she's a nobody parent-wise.  Have her parents be some random Imperials who dropped her on that dustball to hide her from Skywalker once they found out she was force sensitive, propaganda would not be kind to him and the idea of resurgent jedi. Something other than the current "secret child of X" stuff 

 

[khaenn35]

 

Yeah.

 

Why didn't he RUN through the blaster fire and then RUN back? He didn't seem that handicapped when he was beating down a squad of stormtroopers with a staff. But then, there he is, stumbling his way across the battlefield like his wits have utterly left him. Contrived was definitely the right word.

 

 IMHO, he was using the power of the Force to "deflect", mess up the shots of the Stormtroopers. Which is why he walks slowly, it's sort of "Force Meditation". "I am one with the Force, the Force is with me" shows his belief that the meditation will protect him, and is why when he stops chanting and meditating, he is shot, as without the meditation he is a sitting duck. Running would have been useless, and to run just shows that he was lucky, not that he controlled the Force to make the blaster fire miss.

 

[khaenn35]

I was shocked the big wigs at Disney allowed all the main characters to die.

 

If they all had to die, I would have at least liked seeing them die by the hands of Vader.

HIDE IT, YOU ARE SPOILING IT.

[Lord_Zath]

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[Phoenix_jz]

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