New player coming from WOT, crash course + which prem ships to buy pls

[otacon237]

hello everyone

as you may have guessed from the title, I am a new player coming from WOT. I have a ton of prem time in WOT so I figured I might as well try WOWS too. so far I've found it reasonably enjoyable, I haven't gotten very far in the game but I've been really enjoying Destroyers so far. My first few games I did around 20,000 dmg and killed 1-2 ships which is way better than I did in cruisers. i'm thinking of picking up the game a bit more seriously and I think I will buy a prem ship or two to get me started.

In WOT terms I prefer to play fast tanks with decent armor and good armament, for example russian/chinese heavies and meds. i do like glass cannons as well such as Skorp G, lights like t49 and amx 13 90, etc. for the most part i am a well rounded player but one thing i don't really like too much is being super slow, like for example T95 etc. I like stealthy gameplay as well.

tl;dr, which premiums would you guys recommend for a player like me that likes relatively mobile vehicles with firepower. i am thinking of picking up the Leningrad and maybe also the Lo Yang. I do want to get into Battleships at some point as well since i like big guns and big armor, as long as they are not too slow.

on a side note, are there any good low tier ships i should keep around based on my playstyle? i know in WOT there are good lowbie tanks worth holding onto. i really enjoyed the Storozhevoi and the Drezki afterwards feels a bit downgraded, so I feel like the Storo might be one of those good lowbies to keep around.
 

oh and also are there any good resources to learn about the game and meta, etc? thanks everyone 

[Macabe]

Go up a few lines to like tier 4 and get a better feel of the game and your likes/dislikes before going and actually spend money. 

[fish_Jones]

- HE at angled targets, AP at broadside (HE is usually better against destroyers in almost all cases unless in a battleship)

- When firing AP, have the horizontal marker level with the ships waterline for citadel hits (note: destroyers do not have citadels. Also, aim higher on German Battleships [*or if you're shooting destroyer/cruiser AP at anything you can't pen the belt armor of] as you almost can't citadel them, but can get good penetration damage in their superstructure)

- Know how to angle your armor

- Know which ships (or gun calibers) you can't angle against effectively (14.3 is the magic number)

- WASD hax

- Best way to avoid torpedoes is to not sail in straight lines for any given period of time unless you're sure you're safe

- don't snipe

- don't overextend and die

 

Couple of exceptions, but this is a crash-course list

 

Also, I'd recommend not buying a premium ship until you advance to that tier that you want to buy. Now, you don't have to take that advice, but recognize that if you buy up, what you know about the game and how it should be played will be completely different (depending on how high you buy). 

 

Also, while both the Lo Yang and Leningrad are good gunboats or torpedo boats, the Russian destroyers are best at engaging at range since their turrets can't keep up with hard turns in knife fights. American destroyers (and Lo Yang) have lightning fast traverse and reload, but their shell arcs means that while they are great knife-fighters, they suffer at range. Things like this is stuff you'll need to discover where your preferences lie before you spend cash I think

 

*Edit based on Aduial comment

[Wastingsometime]

Don't buy any premium tier 5 or 6 since they have the worst match maker at two up one down. The Clemson and Isokaze at tier four make decent seal clubbers. 

[geser98]

If you plan to buy something so early, don't buy anything above T7. You need some time to grasp the basics before going higher. Even T7 might be a bit of a stretch, but that depends on how good of player you are.

 

In fact T7 are the best in the current match making. I don't know which ships are available at the moment on NA, but for DDss you can get Blyskawica, Leningrad, Anshan, or Sims all of which are good in their own way. Anshan is probably not as good as other three, and Sims, while good, requires a bit more skill than two other gunboats. Oh, and Kamikaze R is pretty awesome if you like torpedoing stuff.

 

With cruisers I would recommend Molotov, but I won't. She's T6 and will often get up-tiered to T7 or even T8 matches. She's a bit too squishy and need a lot of care to not scratch the paint.

 

In fact, none of the current T7 cruisers are good for a beginner. All of them have rather high skill ceiling.

 

As for Battleships, you can get Scharnhorst, if it's on sale of course, which by most accounts is the most pure fun vessel in the entire game. It's just pure fun. You can play like a maniac and  still get decent results. She is T7, she is mobile, turns quite nicely, has mad armor protection (from sides especially), has torpedoes and plenty of guns that reload quickly. 

 

 

[RedSeaBear]

Welcome aboard sailor; May the wind be at your back, your enemies sail straight, the enemy torpedoes miss by a mile and RNG be always in your favor. Remember to watch the mini map, change course and speed and use AP on board side ships at the water line. Don't get lost or sail alone, don't hug islands to close, don't show your broad side, push with your team, don't hang back in sniper mode and Have fun. Smoke on the water is dangerous, avoid friendly fire and don't feed the trolls. For any thing else use search or just ask.
 
The Sinksalot Fleet salutes you, 
See you top side.
 
P.s. the Youtube channels of iChase gaming, Notser and even the Might Jingles have really good content for WoWs. The more you learn the better a captain you will become and the less you will be surprised. Also reading Patch notes is useful. 

 

P.s.s. Since you are new I would avoid buying any premium ship over T6. Especially avoid Tier 7 and 8 ships as the game has a different meta at that level and it will punish you for not playing correctly. 

[Sink_Stuff]

push with your team, don't hang back in sniper mode 

 

Wrong. high tier meta is nothing but sniping. Don't push, you will be the only one. Sit back and snipe while the moron players YOLO in alone. Don't believe me, watch this video from a real pro at this game who says to do the exact same thing:

 

 

P.s. the Youtube channels of iChase gaming, Notser and even the Might Jingles have really good content for WoWs. The more you learn the better a captain you will become and the less you will be surprised. Also reading Patch notes is useful.

 

Bah, Jingles doesn't even play the game. He claimed that the Scharnhorst was a "Don't buy". Watch Flamu, that's the only one you need. Study, Flamu. Flamu is a number on player on EU. iChase, Noster, Jingles, would get owned by Flamu every day of the week and twice on sunday. Flamu for the win, iChase for the loss.

 

P.s.s. Since you are new I would avoid buying any premium ship over T6. Especially avoid Tier 7 and 8 ships as the game has a different meta at that level and it will punish you for not playing correctly. 

 

Wrong again. This guy is from WOT. He knows how this company works. He wouldn't be asking about premium advice if he was a total newb. Yes, buy a premium. Which premium? You buy the one that Flamu recommended, you buy the Kutuzov:

 

 

Why do you buy the Kutuzov? here is why:

 

1. Moskva and Khab are both some of the best performing tier 10 ships in this game. It will most likely always be this way.

2. The reason they are some of the best performing is because of the high tier sniping meta that favors both these ships

3. The Kutuzov can train any Russian captain and do well with many types of captains

4. Kutuzov is a good ship for ranked, team battles, pubs, and league play as well.

5. The Kutuzov can be setup to do many different roles, as video explains

6. Russian line has many good ships at many tiers and you want a lot of good captains for the Russian line.

7. The sniping meta is not going to change for the foreseeable future

8. Carriers are getting reworked and will be all over the place, Kutuzov has very strong AA

9. Kutuzov has smoke and decent AP, entire British line was based on the success of the Kutuzov play style, but Kutuzov has HE and torps also

10. One of the most played tier 8 premiums by top players, what else do you really need to know?

 

Conclusions?

 

1. Sniping IS the meta, don't avoid it, simply be the best at it, use the Kutuzov, Moskva, and Khab for this game

2. Watch Flamu, forget the others.

3. Yes, buy the Kutuzov, watch video, total winner ship

4. Forget waiting until you are a better player, that's what losers do. Instead, buy the ship and work on being a better player all the time no matter what you use in this game. Most pretend experts in this game have never played WOT or were crap players in WOT. They still think retarded things like:

 

1. Only experienced players should buy high tier premium ships - BAH - WOT has proved this wrong for 6 years. 

2. You have to first get good at low tier to be good at high tier - BAH - low tier and high tier play differently, you will never learn much in the YOLO tiers of the game. Instead, you learn more at tier 6,7, and 8. Then you go back to low tier and use that knowledge to club newbs while they YOLO fail.

 

3. Watch scrubs pretend to be good and tell you wrong advice - BAH - You already learned from WOT that you have to watch and listen to people like Zeven, not scrubs who tell you that the TOG is OP, like Jingles. 

 

Take everything these WOWS people say with total salt. Ask them if they ever played WOT at all and if they ever got good at that game. What you are going to find is that most of these people who pretend to be all that on the NA server are laughed at on other servers. They never even played a single clan wars game in WOT and they are acting like experienced clan wars leaders here. This is scrub newb land. Most of the people on your team will utterly suck. Most of the people who pretend to be great are only marginal players at best. They can only pretend to be good here because this server is filled with so many crap players. When real top players from EU come over here they laugh at these scrub newbs and beat them down like they were little ten year old school girls at a boxing match. It is literally painful to watch these NA braggart teal players pretending to be all that on the forum and then get utterly stomped in record time any time EU comes over here to school them.

 

Anyone can be teal in this game. I was teal for 90 days and even purple a day or two. So, don't let teal or purple stats sway you. just watch and study flamu until you are teal too. Then, you have to really work to up your game with map knowledge, patience, shot economy, hill sniping, going dark, re-positioning, breaking tunnel vision, expert angled aim, etc.  

[Aduial]

- When firing AP, have the horizontal marker level with the ships waterline for citadel hits 

Just a small comment on this. If you are firing against a ship you cannot get a citadel on (CL vs BB, CA vs BB at long range, DD vs BB, DD vs CL/CA at long range), it's better to aim higher so you can hit their thinner upper belt. So it's not just German BBs you need to aim higher on. 

[MrDeaf]

If you like fast ships that are fast and offer flexibility...

 

German BB line (main appeal points are armor and speed)

Russian DD line (main selling points are speed and gun handling)

Japanese CA line (main selling points are speed, stealth and firepower)

 

Premiums that might interest you (They are easy to play and have a high skill ceiling)

Dunkerque

Scharnhorst

Blyskawica

 

Definitely look at the guides and ship reviews before investing money.

How to play: http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/93734-captains-academy-learn-how-to-unicum-latest-how-to-carrier/

Ship Reviews: http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/90861-littlewhitemouse-mega-ship-review-guide-page/

[knightwolf1]

just immediately buy the tirpitz and jump into teir 8 matches. dont even play teir 1 just straight to 8. 

 

[geser98]

1. Sniping IS the meta, don't avoid it, simply be the best at it, use the Kutuzov, Moskva, and Khab for this game

 

2. Watch Flamu, forget the others.

 

Yeah... the meta, which Flamu, that you so kindly referred OP to, has been constantly mocking and in most cases not playing a sniper, this Kutuzov being an exception. Watch his GK video for example or many-many others.

[Sink_Stuff]

 

Yeah... the meta, which Flamu, that you so kindly referred OP to, has been constantly mocking and in most cases not playing a sniper, this Kutuzov being an exception. Watch his GK video for example or many-many others.

 

He mocks German battleships and many other battleships sniping. This is because the dispersion of the battleships is contrary to the ability to snipe. Cruisers on the other hand he does snipe in, depending on the map, but especially at high tier. Battleships with poor dispersion is what he laughs at sniping. However, sniping is the meta. You are never going to change this. All you can do is beat the snipers and using long range cruiser like the Moskva and Kutuzov are good for this meta. 

[RevTKS]

Before you buy any ships; think about buying some gift boxes. They have been a good source of ships and goodies. Just a thought.

[geser98]

Read reviews by LittleWhiteMouse on this forum, they are great help.

[poeticmotion]

Just ignore Rounne. He likes pretending he knows that he's talking about.

[Aduial]

Read reviews by LittleWhiteMouse on this forum, they are great help.

 

Yep, try this link.

http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/90861-littlewhitemouse-mega-ship-review-guide-page/

[Aduial]

Just ignore Rounne. He likes pretending he knows that he's talking about.

 

I would say that half of what he says is worth reading, but the other half is not. For example:

"entire British line was based on the success of the Kutuzov play style, but Kutuzov has HE and torps also". 

I mean, RN CLs has much better torps than the Kutuzov, so I don't know what he's talking about. 

And this: 

"Only experienced players should buy high tier premium ships - BAH - WOT has proved this wrong for 6 years. "

I don't care what WOT has proved, high tier premiums should only be purchased after having at least some high tier experience. Anyone who tells you otherwise is giving you bad advice. 

 

But to be fair, he does sometimes have really good points. The problem is discerning the garbage from the goods. 

[husband]

Crew training is different. There's no acceleration option in elite or premium. Also captains can train in any class of premium.True

[husband]

Before you buy any ships; think about buying some gift boxes. They have been a good source of ships and goodies. Just a thought.

 

I have got the kutuzov from a santa stash container for $5. As well as Arizona and prince Eugene from the $3 containers. 

[ExploratorOne]

Oops, I was beaten to the idea...

Also, before buying a ship directly you might want to get a few Santa presents. Specifically, the $3 Commander presents seem to give the most premium ships.  Buying two or three at a time has netted many people, including me, several premium ships with 10-point captains.  I ended up with six ships for about $40.

 

https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/common/suspiciouspackages/

http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/109192-what-have-your-santa-presents-netted-you-guys/page__p__2664656__hl__+christmas%20+present#entry2664656

 

 

[CrazyHorse_Denver]

As for the advice to buy the M. Kutuzov learn from someone that bought the ship far sooner then he should have. Unless you're a glutton for punishment getting constantly pounded by better players than you it's a bad idea. I did eventually grow into the ship as a player but it took a long time.

 

I don't know about WoT but here at WoWS they created a match making hell a few patches ago for tiers 5 and 6 where ships at those tiers more times than not end up in games as the bottom tier. Which means the match making sweet spot now is tiers 4 or 7 although T7s do spend time bottomed tiered it's not as often.

 

Both fast and heavily armored ships are rare as to have one they usually had to sacrifice the other. Now if fast, stealthy and hard hitting fits the bill I can suggest a couple of T4 destroyers. The Isokaze has for months been my go to ship when I'm playing for fun and the new German V-170 is now fulfilling that role as well. As torpedo boats they pack the strongest punch in the game. Being DDs they will be the weakest ships in the game dying after just a few good hits but being DDs they are fast, maneuverable and hard to spot and even harder to hit once spotted. Use these ships to learn how to approach a target undetected; learn how to keep these fragile ships alive for an entire game and those lessons will serve you well for whatever ships you acquire after that.

[otacon237]

Hey everyone, thanks for all the advice! I can definitely understand not being a prem noob, but I just wanted to get a couple of ships while they are still on sale, it looks like they won't last much longer although a lot of them say "available for you" so idk how long that will last. Are the current sales good sales, or sort of "fake" sales that happen all the time? I know in WOT a 15% off on high tier premiums is about the best you can ask for.

​Thanks for the tips about the presents, I might buy a few of those! only thing is it's kinda random so I might not get the play style I am looking for.

​regarding playstyle, so far I do like fast and nimble and stealthy destroyers. I've had a lot of fun in the Storozhevoi and I think something fast and stealthy with good torps would be great for me. Hopefully with good torp range since i'm still a noob and that would give me a bit more margin for error. I've had decent luck in the Storo and Derzki when things work out but I also died very quickly a few times.

​regarding the Lo Yang, I didn't notice any Chinese tech tree in the game, are they adding that soon?

 

[otacon237]

As for the advice to buy the M. Kutuzov learn from someone that bought the ship far sooner then he should have. Unless you're a glutton for punishment getting constantly pounded by better players than you it's a bad idea. I did eventually grow into the ship as a player but it took a long time.

 

I don't know about WoT but here at WoWS they created a match making hell a few patches ago for tiers 5 and 6 where ships at those tiers more times than not end up in games as the bottom tier. Which means the match making sweet spot now is tiers 4 or 7 although T7s do spend time bottomed tiered it's not as often.

 

Both fast and heavily armored ships are rare as to have one they usually had to sacrifice the other. Now if fast, stealthy and hard hitting fits the bill I can suggest a couple of T4 destroyers. The Isokaze has for months been my go to ship when I'm playing for fun and the new German V-170 is now fulfilling that role as well. As torpedo boats they pack the strongest punch in the game. Being DDs they will be the weakest ships in the game dying after just a few good hits but being DDs they are fast, maneuverable and hard to spot and even harder to hit once spotted. Use these ships to learn how to approach a target undetected; learn how to keep these fragile ships alive for an entire game and those lessons will serve you well for whatever ships you acquire after that.

Very interesting, is there a place where I can find out which ships have the best MM? I looked on the wiki but they all just show the battle level range as it's own tier and the next two.

Crew training is different. There's no acceleration option in elite or premium. Also captains can train in any class of premium.True

AW man, I was trying to find that option in the game. So your only choice is to accrue tons of free XP and then either ignore it or spend tons of money converting it? that really sucks. but you say any captain can train in any type of ship with no penalty? that is good to know

If you like fast ships that are fast and offer flexibility...

 

German BB line (main appeal points are armor and speed)

Russian DD line (main selling points are speed and gun handling)

Japanese CA line (main selling points are speed, stealth and firepower)

 

Premiums that might interest you (They are easy to play and have a high skill ceiling)

Dunkerque

Scharnhorst

Blyskawica

 

Definitely look at the guides and ship reviews before investing money.

How to play: http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/93734-captains-academy-learn-how-to-unicum-latest-how-to-carrier/

Ship Reviews: http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/90861-littlewhitemouse-mega-ship-review-guide-page/

Very cool, thanks for the resources! yes I was thinking about the Blyskawica.

 

Yeah... the meta, which Flamu, that you so kindly referred OP to, has been constantly mocking and in most cases not playing a sniper, this Kutuzov being an exception. Watch his GK video for example or many-many others.

I might check out the Kutuzov, it doesn't really sound like my sort of playstyle though. is it fast at least?

Don't buy any premium tier 5 or 6 since they have the worst match maker at two up one down. The Clemson and Isokaze at tier four make decent seal clubbers. 

well now i'm confused since the other guy is saying 4-7 is the sweet spot. is there a resource to check the MM range? and what about tier 8, does that get bottom tiered a lot? the wiki wasn't much help. are there any good destroyer seal clubbers?

[otacon237]

Jingles

is Flamu sort of like the Foch of this game? To be fair Jingles isn't the best player but he usually has a good sense of what tanks are OP or not, he never said the Tog was OP he just said it can be fun in a 3 man platoon. how does one check rating in this game. I see "WTR" in people's sigs, is that sort of like this game's WN8? Now that I watched that video the Kutuzov seems pretty good, but at the same time everything looks good in the hands of a good player. I watch QB occasionally too but he's been sort of shilling a lot lately.

 

​EDIT I think I found the site, is this it? https://na.warships.today/player/1001726830/otacon237

 

[ExploratorOne]

Crew training only involves the Captain.  What is nice is that flags and ship camo can accelerate that training.  For example, there is a camo that gives 250% to captain xp.  Combined with a Dragon flag that gives 333% and another flag that does 50%, you can really push the training. So much better than the Personal Reserves in WOT - you only use them for each battle, not one or two hours.

 

I stand by my suggestion of buying $1, $3, and $5 boxes.  For about $50 worth of boxes, I went from one premium (Molotov) to eleven.  I also have a bunch of camos and flags for accelerating training, xp, free xp, and credits.  I started WOWS a couple of months ago from WOT and also like fast tanks with good guns and reasonable armor.  I followed advice and started with cruisers.  Sent up the US line to tier 3 (now at tier 7) and the Japanese and Russian.  Spent quite a bit in Co-op to get the feel of ships and learn how to use the reticle.  Loved the guns on the Phoenix (US cruiser) and my first premium, Molotov.  I shied away from destroyers because of the difficulty level and have only returned to them in the last two weeks.

 

Atago

Emden

Texas

Indianapolis

Scharnhorst

Ishizuchi

Prinz Eugen

Anshan

Sims

 

The boxes have allowed me to explore different tiers and classes for very little outlay.  Just as in WOT, it is important to find your own preferred play style.  Don't neglect to do the Campaign tasks (upper left of Port screen).  You get free stuff from them and are forced to master some useful skills.  There is also the free Graf Spee mission.  This is an unusual time for Wargaming in that they are giving away a lot of premium content for free or very little money - you should take full advantage of it, as I am.

 

Good luck and fair seas!