Nagato is just so utterly worthless...

[GearaDoga]

This ship...  This absolutely worthless, garbage ship...

 

I'm on the verge of putting a fist clean through my monitor just trying to bear with this absolute floating garbage heap of a ship.

 

There's just absolutely nothing good about it.  There's nothing bad, either - it's all just so completely AWFUL.

 

The ship has absolutely no armour, it takes massive damage from everything that ever shoots it.  A bloody Takao just finished planting 10k+ AP salvos into this accursed thing from a solid 45* angle.  God forbid you should be shot at by any kind of Battleship - even the Tier 5's have more than enough power to completely ignore your armour from all angles.  T8/9 ships are guaranteed 30k+++ damage per shot no matter what.

 

And you know what?  I could even deal with that, if the thing had guns.  But oh, man.  These guns are actually somehow WORSE than the pathetic lack of armour.  They can't hit a target at any range.  Even beached, broadside, stationary targets are a no-go.  I just fired FIVE salvos directly at the Citadel of a beached, motionless, broadside Takao at a range of SIX KILOMETERS.  All but TWO shells missed the ship completely, and the two that hit were a bounce and a failure to penetrate.  The damned guns are just not worth firing, they're so inaccurate and so weak that you're just wasting credits to tickle the enemy.

 

Add to that the lacklustre AA load, the impressive but hilariously ineffective secondaries that still don't have the range to engage anything until well after you're already doomed...

 

What the hell, Wargaming?  Who amongst you thought that designing such a worthless waste of a ship was a good idea?!?

[Sinboto]

I just bought this ship back because I enjoyed her.... Are you perhaps using the stock version on nagato? For she takes a huge leap in effectiveness post refit. 

[SireneRacker]

The armor on Nagato is the weakest for a reason. That prevents her from uniting speed (relative to a Battleship), firepower and armor which wouldmake her OP.

 

The guns on her are great. You know the purpose of a sigma value? It is a factor for accuracy that mainly affects the vertical dispersion. And for Nagato we have 2.0, the only ship with a higher Sigma being Yamato with 2.1. The normal dispersion is 1.1 cm/m while Colorado has 1.3 cm/m and Gneisenau has 1.3 cm/m as well. Her guns are very accurate.

 

I am missing my Nagato. She surely cleaned house back then.

 

 

[NightHawkS117]

IT aint  the ship, its the user. Learn the ship and stop crying about one of the best at tier 7

[collisionSpace]

It sounds like you are using the stock hull? If so then yes, there are issues (and coincidentally I hear that WG may remove the stock hull because of them). These issues go away when you upgrade the ship.

[ClockworkSpectre]

Definitely not the ship's fault.  Nagato is a great ship, especially for it's tier.  I will say though, that the stock hull is pretty terrible, but once you upgrade it, things get much better. 

[pmgaudio]

dont you guys know that it is always the ship.. I mean why else would someone come to the forums and rant to complete strangers in such a way as to make a ship look utterly useless and garbage even though just about all the responses will be the opposite of garbage for just about every ship someone hates......
I mean come on man... it is ALWAYS the ships fault it does not perform well.....

 

 

Spoiler

 /s

 

 

[QuantumEntropy]

IT aint  the ship, its the user. Learn the ship and stop crying about one of the best at tier 7

 

This^

 

Nagato is the most accurate bb at that tier and maybe from tier 8 too but it punishes bad aim, if your aim is not perfect you will get crap shots.

I loved nagato , i think most did but it's gimmicky to play with if you are a new bb player or your aim is not that good

Only weak point is the armor but that can do decent even in tier 9 games , also if you are using it stock that's another problem cause stock is crap

[ZXZXZXZXZXZXZX]

what.... nagato is my favorite T7 BB, oh wait until u got izumo, its MUCH MUCH worse than nagato, nagato's gun is pretty accurate , 

[Psycodiver]

I just rage sold mine, first ship in over a year I rage sold. It's armor is truly awful, but had good guns. That said I don't think it's a bad ship, I just didn't get along with it and it didn't work my aggressive play style. I never had fun playing it like other ships, even in good games it never left me with a smile

 

I won't ever say it's a bad ship though, it just didn't suit me

[GearaDoga]

You lot all missed the bit where a full FORTY PERFECTLY AIMED SHOTS AGAINST A PARKED SHIP AT SUPER CLOSE RANGE proceeded to completely miss, didn't you?

 

These guns are easily the most comically inaccurate since the Wyoming and Kawachi. Shells flying both clean over and well short (in the same salvo) of targets within 10km, shells from the same turret flying hundreds of meters apart horizontally, and then even after all of that, when some magically do hit, they BOUNCE off of light cruiser armour.

 

Whatever ship you're referring to, it's damn sure not the (elite, fyi) Nagato.

[Herr_Reitz]

You lot all missed the bit where a full FORTY PERFECTLY AIMED SHOTS AGAINST A PARKED SHIP AT SUPER CLOSE RANGE proceeded to completely miss, didn't you?

 

These guns are easily the most comically inaccurate since the Wyoming and Kawachi. Shells flying both clean over and well short (in the same salvo) of targets within 10km, shells from the same turret flying hundreds of meters apart horizontally, and then even after all of that, when some magically do hit, they BOUNCE off of light cruiser armour.

 

Whatever ship you're referring to, it's damn sure not the (elite, fyi) Nagato.

 

Nah... didn't miss that at all... DISmissed it would be more accurate. Most folks do well with her. IIRC, it's the first turret with the two rounds that disperse... or was it the second... but that's always been there. I complained about it a long time ago. Chain fire instead of salvos help a great deal. Additionally... sometimes you get overpens that look like a miss. 

[TenguBlade]

You're 6km from a Takao?  Then there's your problem.  You're brawling with a ship that brawls as well as a malnourished child.  The notion that the Nagato can brawl is obsolete: Scharnhorst and Gneisenau trash her in a brawl, in no small part because of their torpedoes, and the Colorado's ability to citadel her while being harder to citadel in return (along with 5-second faster reload) makes your HP advantage less substantial than it appears to be.

 

I've long maintained that dispersion patterns are influenced by how "off" you are from the proper lead for a ship.  Nagato's 2.0 sigma and good dispersion should not be routinely missing shots even at mid-range if your lead is correct, let alone at close range.  If you're having issues with the gun accuracy, you need to start looking not just at whether you're missing, but how you're missing: if most of your shots are landing in front or behind the ship, your vertical distance is off.  If most of your shots are landing behind or in front, then you are either underleading or overleading. 

[pmgaudio]

You lot all missed the bit where a full FORTY PERFECTLY AIMED SHOTS AGAINST A PARKED SHIP AT SUPER CLOSE RANGE proceeded to completely miss, didn't you?

 

These guns are easily the most comically inaccurate since the Wyoming and Kawachi. Shells flying both clean over and well short (in the same salvo) of targets within 10km, shells from the same turret flying hundreds of meters apart horizontally, and then even after all of that, when some magically do hit, they BOUNCE off of light cruiser armour.

 

Whatever ship you're referring to, it's damn sure not the (elite, fyi) Nagato.

 

[GearaDoga]

You're 6km from a Takao?  Then there's your problem.  You're brawling with a ship that brawls as well as a malnourished child.  The notion that the Nagato can brawl is obsolete: Scharnhorst and Gneisenau trash her in a brawl, in no small part because of their torpedoes, and the Colorado's ability to citadel her while being harder to citadel in return (along with 5-second faster reload) makes your HP advantage less substantial than it appears to be.

 

I've long maintained that dispersion patterns are influenced by how "off" you are from the proper lead for a ship.  Nagato's 2.0 sigma and good dispersion should not be routinely missing shots even at mid-range if your lead is correct, let alone at close range.  If you're having issues with the gun accuracy, you need to start looking not just at whether you're missing, but how you're missing: if most of your shots are landing in front or behind the ship, your vertical distance is off.  If most of your shots are landing behind or in front, then you are either underleading or overleading. 

I was 10km.  Then 8.  Then 6.  Then 4.  All trying to get the abysmal guns to actually hit the damn stationary, broadside target.  Which they didn't.  And then a Scharnhorst planted a full salvo into the citadel from 15km back with those absurd dispersion-free guns and wiped it out.

 

There's no question of lead or vertical distance, because the target wasn't in motion.  All shots aimed directly at the citadel, and not a damned one even hit the ship.  Shots flying off in all 4 directions at the same time.

[nguyen009]

Sounds like you had a very bad case of RNG screwing you over with that Takao... the whims of RNG is unfathomable.

 

I've been spending the last few days finishing up the grind for Amagi, and I have to say Nagato was enjoyable. Yeah the armor is unreliable and the guns questionably accurate at times, but once a DD got within 6.6 kilometers of my secondaries.... they're pretty effective IMO especially with the Manual Secondaries skill.

 

Why play it when obviously you hate it so much? Amagi from the looks is even less armored and more of an overgrown heavy cruiser with battleship guns

[TenguBlade]

Sounds like you had a very bad case of RNG screwing you over with that Takao... the whims of RNG is unfathomable.

 

I've been spending the last few days finishing up the grind for Amagi, and I have to say Nagato was enjoyable. Yeah the armor is unreliable and the guns questionably accurate at times, but once a DD got within 6.6 kilometers of my secondaries.... they're pretty effective IMO especially with the Manual Secondaries skill.

 

Why play it when obviously you hate it so much? Amagi from the looks is even less armored and more of an overgrown heavy cruiser with battleship guns

Amagi's accuracy is unquestionably superior to that of Nagato's, which only makes that extra turret stand out even more.  She may only have a 1.8 sigma while Nagato has 2.0, but her dispersion/range ratio is much better.

 

Given the right combination of stupidity and luck this is regularly possible with the Amagi.

[capncrunch21]

I agree with the OP.

 

When I first got the Nagato - I found it was utter crap compared to the Fuso and Kongo. Yes, you read that right, a T7 BB worse than a T5 BB...

 

However, once I realized it's glaring weakness - the absolute garbage armor it has  - and stayed angled to EVERYTHING, I started to do better in her. (Even so, she still can't bounce same tier stuff like Fuso and Kongo can - welcome to the big gun league, where 16" guns are the norm and can penetrate just about anything).

 

Next I found, until you fully upgrade it with the CORRECT modules, she still perfoms like trash. The aiming module is a must, it is the only thing that makes the guns actually work properly. Take a look at the guides here on the forum on how to set it up. Most people on the forums rave the Nagato is great - this is only true with the proper set up - a high point captain - and a LOT of practice in combat with her on how to handle her correctly.

 

Even after all that, I still find I enjoy the Fuso and Kongo play much more. For all the praise on her, I find Nagato just slightly above meh for a BB.

[SireneRacker]

You lot all missed the bit where a full FORTY PERFECTLY AIMED SHOTS AGAINST A PARKED SHIP AT SUPER CLOSE RANGE proceeded to completely miss, didn't you?

 

These guns are easily the most comically inaccurate since the Wyoming and Kawachi. Shells flying both clean over and well short (in the same salvo) of targets within 10km, shells from the same turret flying hundreds of meters apart horizontally, and then even after all of that, when some magically do hit, they BOUNCE off of light cruiser armour.

 

Whatever ship you're referring to, it's damn sure not the (elite, fyi) Nagato.

 

The guns are accurate af. I can offer you the numbers again but you are most likely not listening.

Just dropping a link: https://thedailybounce.net/2016/08/19/world-of-warships-0-5-10-live-bb-sigma-values/

 

However, once I realized it's glaring weakness - the absolute garbage armor it has  - and stayed angled to EVERYTHING, I started to do better in her. (Even so, she still can't bounce same tier stuff like Fuso and Kongo can - welcome to the big gun league, where 16" guns are the norm and can penetrate just about anything).

 

IJN BBs up to T8, maybe even 9, are not supposed to have strong armor. They have relatively good speed while packing a lot of firepower. USN BBs have firepower and armor, KM BBs have speed and armor. Nagato has accurate main batteries with lots of striking power while being faster than Colorado.

[GearaDoga]

 

The guns are accurate af. I can offer you the numbers again but you are most likely not listening.

Just dropping a link: https://thedailybounce.net/2016/08/19/world-of-warships-0-5-10-live-bb-sigma-values/

 

I'm not listening, because your numbers are irrelevant.

 

The guns.

Do not.

Shoot.

Where you.

Aim them!!

 

Reality trumps theoretical numbers, every time.

[SireneRacker]

 

I'm not listening, because your numbers are irrelevant.

 

The guns.

Do not.

Shoot.

Where you.

Aim them!!

 

Reality trumps theoretical numbers, every time.

 

I wonder how I got my 29% hit rate then. Maybe ships I didn't aim at?

[thehelmsman]

 

I'm not listening, because your numbers are irrelevant.

 

FTFY. We know you're not listening; that much is obvious. Nagato is fine, and its stats are not irrelevant. Nagato outperforms Colorado across the server by every significant measure. Perhaps you had a run of bad luck in yours, but that doesn't make Nagato a bad ship.

 

 

The guns.

Do not.

Shoot.

Where you.

Aim them!!

 

Orly? Nowai! Just a short while ago:

 

 

Those citadels were had at 14-15km or so, well over what one would consider 'close range'. Tier 9 game, by the by. And it wasn't even that great a result for me. Nagato's only real weakness is the lack of armor, and this is easily solved by not showing your broadside, which you should have learned by tier 5. PEBKAC, in my opinion.

 

Nagato rocks.

 

--Helms

[Akeno017]

Terrible player here, world of warships today reminds me every day, i find the nagato to be a well rounded and balanced ship for T7, now that german T7..

 

 

6x2 380mm guns, great secondaries, good aa, torps, armor.. speed, what doest it have? Now thats another thing..

[SireneRacker]

Terrible player here, world of warships today reminds me every day, i find the nagato to be a well rounded and balanced ship for T7, now that german T7..

 

 

6x2 380mm guns, great secondaries, good aa, torps, armor.. speed, what doest it have? Now thats another thing..

 

I think you mixed up something. Gneisenau has three double turrets, or six guns. But not 6x2 guns. Gneisenau has by far the lowest firepower of the T7 Battleships.

[Akeno017]

 

I think you mixed up something. Gneisenau has three double turrets, or six guns. But not 6x2 guns. Gneisenau has by far the lowest firepower of the T7 Battleships.

Aah whoops, 3x2guns, I did something weird with multiplication.

Gneisenau has the largest firepower of all the T7 battleships at any range <7km with its secondaries and torps, apart from maybe scharnhorst, but thats another debate.