DD's Take Too Much Damage

[HuskyBowner]

Not much else to it. DD's take too much to kill, especially at close ranges. The whole point of them is that they are quick and small, they shouldn't have as much HP or damage mitigation. 

 

They are a bit too overpowered as it stands. 

[Stampz]

[Fast_Battleship_Iowa]

"Hey guys, I totally have a say in what I know is overpowered - especially a ship class I've barely ever played!"

[Kookaburras]

Then don't get hit. 

[templar627]

They don't have much hp or damage mitigation...

[Falls_USMC]

Go play more than 16 games in destroyers and then return with a valid, informed opinion. 

 

Sincerely, 

1,328 games in DDs. 

[RedSeaBear]

[HuskyBowner]

Oh man this place is filled with over sensitive bags of salt. I forget how ridiculous game forums can be, filled with elitists and guys who wish they were female online.

[The_first_harbinger]

Oh man this place is filled with over sensitive bags of salt. I forget how ridiculous game forums can be, filled with elitists and guys who wish they were female online.

XD have to say you triggered one of the few salt mines on the forums.

Can't really blame you, since it's your fifth post anyway.

Small tip: don't say dds as a class is overpowered. 

Don't trade shots with you enemies, use your smoke, stay at least 10km away from larger ships.

[TenguBlade]

Oh man this place is filled with over sensitive bags of salt. I forget how ridiculous game forums can be, filled with elitists and guys who wish they were female online.

"People don't agree with me, so let's call them names!"

 

DDs are fine as they are.  At low tiers guns have dispersion that isn't too great, but as tiers go up, guns get more accurate and it becomes harder to simply yolo torp someone because your prospective victim can more easily plug you with shells.

[HuskyBowner]

"People don't agree with me, so let's call them names!"

 

DDs are fine as they are.  At low tiers guns have dispersion that isn't too great, but as tiers go up, guns get more accurate and it becomes harder to simply yolo torp someone because your prospective victim can more easily plug you with shells.

I hope Your "people don't agree with me" thing is talking about the responses to my original post. DD's are easily the most overpowered class in the game at the moment. Followed by cruisers HE shells. 

[HuskyBowner]

You don't need to spend 1,300 games playing as a DD to figure that out. Apparently doing so makes you irrational and biased.

[4bRbyHSSzZ6pk]

[Aduial]

It only takes 2 salvos from a CA or BB to kill a full health DD in close quarters combat. 

[TenguBlade]

I hope Your "people don't agree with me" thing is talking about the responses to my original post. DD's are easily the most overpowered class in the game at the moment. Followed by cruisers HE shells. 

No, I'm laughing at you resorting to pulling the "salt mine" card to people who are dismissing your opinion as not worth their time.  You accused them of name-calling when they laughed at you and judged your opinion.

 

You are objectively wrong about DDs.  I say this as a battleship main and a mediocre to bad DD player.  HE is also situationally stupid in what it can do, but never enough to warrant nerfs to the mechanic as a whole; rather, individual ships should be tweaked.  There are over a dozen tools at any given team's disposal to deal with a DD; if that's not enough, then one or more of your team members didn't do their job.  There exists two DD lines that excel at virtually nothing besides obliterating other DDs in gun duels: the Americans and Germans.  Not to mention that the entire British CL line exists to wipe DDs off the face of the earth, and of the 4 consumables that high-tier CAs can use, 2 exist specifically to counter DDs.  Everything you could need is there, it's up to the player to make use of it from there.

 

And it shouldn't be easy to do so by design.  As a battleship, you are the biggest target for DD attacks, the intended paper to their scissors.

 

I suppose I should at least take comfort in the fact that complaints like these prove battleships are not powercreeping the hell out of other classes as people claim they are, at least in the hands of the average player...

[HuskyBowner]

My opinion is no less valid than anyone else. The difference is that my post wasn't a personal attack because the obvious DD users here are getting defensive over someone calling their livelihood over powered.

[4bRbyHSSzZ6pk]

My opinion is no less valid than anyone else. The difference is that my post wasn't a personal attack because the obvious DD users here are getting defensive over someone calling their livelihood over powered.

 

I play BBs the most and think you're wrong. Please don't generalize

[CrazyHorse_Denver]

I don't seem to have any problems sinking DDs. In fact I just got my final Christmas achievement award, Race to the Bottom, by putting 2 torps into a V-170 and sending it to a watery gave. While I'm not the best marksman in the game and those pesky DD's are small targets I can usually kill some with guns as well because it doesn't take many hits.

 

On the flip side of that coin is how I can see why you're so upset. It's often a high point of my game day when I jump in my Isokaze to go hunting those big lumbering BBeasts. I often feel sorry for that CV or BB captain after I've cut them off from the herd, dancing around them like a ballerina on crack turning faster than their turrets can keep track of me and firing shells and torps at my pleasure. All that is contingent however on me not being taken out by some lucky CA salvo early in the game and that does happen more often than not.

[Ivlerlin]

The only real thing DD's have going for them is Lack of Citadel and all the tools necessary to quickly Disengage. (Stealth rating, Speed Boost, Smoke, and to an extent maneuverability)

 

If DDs are causing you issues "next salvoe swap" (single click; not double) to HE when you shoot at them. Or build for Secondaries instead of Main Battery. 

 

If you're sitting back and "sniping" and an outflanking DD catches you that's your own fault. The same thing goes for CVs; although some players acknowledge a CVs importance and move to intercept, BBs that stay out of the fight? Some players are less forgiving of those.

 

Cruiser HE OP? You need better practice with DCP/DRP usage. My Cruisers beg to differ on your thoughts on that matter. If a BB can punish me with a single salvoe and lucky RNG and a poor/mistimed maneuver; then my HE and lucky %Fire RNG should be able to punish a ship for their Lack of maneuvers.

 

If you're a BB captain and DDs are a pest to you learn when to HE. CA/CLs and DD had a big phase of learning when to AP, only fair for the final class that uses guns learn about their alternate ammo type.

 

Sure 3 AP over-pens = ~1AP pen.

But 3 HE pens = ~1HE Citadel. 

 

So do some math and comparisons:

Does the ship your using have 33% of it's HE Max damage higher than 10% of it's AP Max damage? (A pen is the 33% max, over-pen is 10% from what remember)

IF "yes" use HE when attacking DDs; you'll do more damage on a single HE pen than 3x AP over pens. 

IF "no" use HE when attacking DDs; if you're lucky you'll knockout their Torpedo Systems or Guns and reset their Cooldowns. 

 

Edit: also complaining about Destroyers in Destroyer fourm is probably not the best place to ask for assistance on how to counter them. 

[Skye_Hino]

As a cruiser main with a secondary specialisation in DD's, I'd have to say that that they are not at all hard to kill, as long as you use the right tool for the job. Any cruiser captain worth his salt (no, not that kind) should be able to completely demolish a visible DD within 10km in no more than 3-5 salvos, depending on gun calibre and dispersion.

 

BB's are also fully capable of killing DD's in fairly short order (though not as quickly as a cruiser), but only if they choose to use their main guns, instead of trying to rely on secondaries. Admittedly if the DD is broadside, you'll get nothing but overpens, but that's still a good 1,000+ damage per shell, and DD's have the smallest health pool of any class in the game. But if the DD makes the mistake of pointing his bow at you, you are quite likely to start getting regular pen damage (about 4,000+ per shell), which will melt him real quick. If he's dodging and weaving while heading towards you, try to time your shot for just as he starts to turn.

[Cruiser_CleveAniki]

Let me guess. You got torpedo. And did not get to kill your attacker with your low tier BB guns. Thus, DDs must be overpowered.

 

 Ah... This never gets old. See, this is the attitude which eventually gets carried into high tiers, and causes the game to suffer. We are looking an early case of the ills which plague this game.

 

[Bluebox303]

I've dabbled a bit in all classes of ships available, and IMO the only class right now which needs balancing is the CV group. But supposedly a rework is coming in 2017 which should balance things out. 

Like everyone else has said, try messing around a bit more with the destroyer family, and then perhaps update your opinion. 

[WanderingGhost]

You don't need to spend 1,300 games playing as a DD to figure that out. Apparently doing so makes you irrational and biased.

 

Your right it doesn't, but it takes more than 16.

 

Damage mitigation? yeah, they have no citadel so AP tends to overpen, thats why you fire HE at them where a salvo from a cruiser, let alone a battleship will take them down half health or less. They have easily damaged/destroyed gun turrets/torpedo tubes compared to other ships and have to rely on torpedoes to do any real damage to capital ships as their main guns may hurt DD's and some cruisers but are just a nuisance to BB's, other than fires which are OP across the board not just cruisers. Alao unlike most ships in the game, they can take heavy damage from secondary batteries. And their HP pools are not that big. Some of the gunboat DD's have invisifire that can be a pain and that WG is working to remove, which leaves IJN which is only OP if you sail in straight lines too long and if they are close enough to see, you should be firing HE at them. DD's are on that very fine edge between UP and OP.

 

I hope Your "people don't agree with me" thing is talking about the responses to my original post. DD's are easily the most overpowered class in the game at the moment. Followed by cruisers HE shells. 

 

No that is for you I'm pretty sure since you said

 

Oh man this place is filled with over sensitive bags of salt. I forget how ridiculous game forums can be, filled with elitists and guys who wish they were female online.

 

Over sensitive bags of salt, elitists, and I assume you meant "Wish there were females online" as the way you put it makes no sense which, news flash, there are, and they play this game. Would you like to know why you got the responses you got that make your comment that "You hope their comment" is directed towards? You give barely two sentences on why you say this, with no real evidence, and no real play time in the class. If you gave a well thought out argument with actual examples and facts and what not, there would be less of it because you would not appear to be simply a troll or upset that your BB got torped yet again because you stay on a fixed course. Oh yes, there are those who cry about things. 

 

Are you entitled to have an opinion - yes. To say whether or not that opinion is valid, that is always a matter of who you are talking to. This community if you don't play a class for a decent number of matches, and just right a couple sentences of basically "this is OP, nerf it" with no actual backing to your claim, no one is going to take your opinion seriously. Not even the devs.

 

Also, mister high and mighty, your right, your not doing personal attacks, just general ones. Your not calling anyone in particular Elitist or basically crybabies. Just the ones that you assume are DD players who think your wrong and who aren't taking you seriously because you don't actually try to support your claim with anything solid. And you make it out that everyone disagreeing with you is a DD player trying to protect what you feel is their "OP livelihood"

 

So allow this to sink in. I am not much of a DD player as a matter of fact of my top 10 most played ships, only 1 is a DD, in 9th place. the others are 4 CV's, 4 BB's, and a cruiser, 8 of them ships usually plagued by DD's for being spotted and/or torped by them. And I disagree with you.

 

And I'll even back it up with this. https://na.warships.today/player/1007571226/WanderingGhost a link to my stats where you can verify that fact.

[Vekta408]

One day you will run into a Russian cruiser that can aim. On that day you will wonder what happened to your OP DD. ​

[Umikami]

I hope Your "people don't agree with me" thing is talking about the responses to my original post. DD's are easily the most overpowered class in the game at the moment. Followed by cruisers HE shells.

 

Troll post searching for troll posters and troll conclusions.

Absolutely NOTHING to see here.