I'm tired of this MM crap // Buff Eugen/Hipper

[Peregrinas]

Tier 8's are getting nothing but uptiered into tier 10 now. This is not ok for the Prinz Eugen. I made a thread some time ago stating that Eugen/Hipper are the absolute worst tier 8's in a tier 10 game.

 

I still hold strongly by that claim. This ship is weak and UP when it is literally the only ship except for DDs and CVs without a repair party. This ship is weak and UP when all engagements happen at 14-18km ranges. This ship is weak and UP when your whole team is a bunch of unripe potatoes salvaged from a sudden frost. I am absolutely tired and frustrated by having games like this every damn time I want to take this ship out. 

 

 

 

 

 

You know that I am a much better player than this. If I am struggling this bad, then this ship needs a god damn buff. And/or a better MM. It is entirely the ship's fault for forcing me to run from most tier 10 combat and then failing to break 30k damage every damn game, and having games like this where I literally didn't do anything and the game's over because the entire team is a sack of frost-bitten potatoes.

[Captain_Dorja]

When the give the New Orleans the ability to out perform the hipper at any role other than being a complete POS, I'll hear that Hipper is too weak. 

 

Personally, if I were given the option of being top tier in Nola every match, and bottom tier in Hipper every match, I still wouldn't touch Nola with a 39 and a half foot pole. 

[Peregrinas]

When the give the New Orleans the ability to out perform the hipper at any role other than being a complete POS, I'll hear that Hipper is too weak. 

 

Personally, if I were given the option of being top tier in Nola every match, and bottom tier in Hipper every match, I still wouldn't touch Nola with a 39 and a half foot pole. 

 

New Orleans has radar and better AA over Hipper (when people are using hydro over defensive fire on Hipper, as they should be). It brings something into a tier 10 game whereas Hipper/Eugen bring nothing.

[Nukelavee45]

You know that I am a much better player than this. If I am struggling this bad, then this ship needs a god damn buff. And/or a better MM. It is entirely the ship's fault for forcing me to run from most tier 10 combat and then failing to break 30k damage every damn game, and having games like this where I literally didn't do anything and the game's over because the entire team is a sack of frost-bitten potatoes.

 

 

hahaha.  Wow.  that's a hell of an ego.

[Aeries1]

While I sympathize with the T8 vs T10 games, been there myself. It happens to the best of us. Think you're doing just fine. It's obviously not every game.  Your Eugen stats.

 

Prinz Eugen

8

CA/CL

Germany

94

64.89%

60,613

1,668

2.9

1.1

1.8

62%

46%

15%

1,773

[giovybez]

That NC tho, did he not even land a shell?

[Peregrinas]

You know that I am a much better player than this. If I am struggling this bad, then this ship needs a god damn buff. And/or a better MM. It is entirely the ship's fault for forcing me to run from most tier 10 combat and then failing to break 30k damage every damn game, and having games like this where I literally didn't do anything and the game's over because the entire team is a sack of frost-bitten potatoes.

 

 

hahaha.  Wow.  that's a hell of an ego.

 

It's the truth. If you can't handle it, not my fault.

[TurboT]

I feel for you a wee bit.

Tier 8 cruiser is probably the worst spot with the MM'er dumping into so many tier 10 games right now. I'm guessing it's the new camo's, new missions and reduced cost at tier 10 as they seem much more prominent now.

 

For those poor tier 8 cruisers, they simply don't have the range nor the alpha to consistently compete.  A tier 8 BB can compete as can a tier 8 DD, but the cruiser just gets stuck right in the middle of having to get too close without support and ends up nuked.

 

Add to the fact there are hardly any CVs around for them to shoot down planes and you have a completely useless ship in the game.  

The NOLA and Hipper are the two worst off I think.  The Chap has some invisy fire capabilities and range, where the Atago has some stealth but really, you feel pretty useless most of the time.

[TTK_Aegis]

 

It's the truth. If you can't handle it, not my fault.

 

What's the truth? That your ego is large? 

[VTAdmiral]

I love my Prinz Eugen but she's the ship I roll out when I want to remind myself why I hate playing high tier cruisers.

 

Not only is she lackluster compared to other cruisers, the second the inevitable 6 battleships on the enemy team see you, your next 3 minutes (or less) go something like this

 

[Legendary_Typo]

This ship is weak and UP when it is literally the only ship except for DDs and CVs without a repair party.

 

Only 22% (2) of the tier VIII cruisers have a repair party though...

[Peregrinas]

 

Only 22% (2) of the tier VIII cruisers have a repair party though...

 

Please refresh yourself on the screenshot I posted. Thank you.

[crzyhawk]

Eugen and hipper are fine. Eugen is one of my top t8 cruisers. Additionally I think the op exagerates when he says he can't break 30k in a game while his average is 60k/game

[IronWolfV]

Yeah Hipper did have some amazing AP, but IMHO it was too good and that gave WG the excuse to make the HE absolute crap. Infact it's still crap on the Roon, but I find myself firing it more to set fires these days because angled BBs make life hell and there are many times I use that 20km max range and it's HARD to hit the superstructure at that range.

 

Really wish roon was more like Yorck. AP is good at lower ranges and HE is amazing at longer ranges.  Same with Hipper.

[Boomax77]

Maybe you're just unlucky, I played 20-ish games in my NC yesterday, got T10 maybe 5(ish) times. Mostly battles with T6/7, sometimes T9 battles.

[IronWolfV]

Eugen and hipper are fine. Eugen is one of my top t8 cruisers. Additionally I think the op exagerates when he says he can't break 30k in a game while his average is 60k/game

 

May be the case for the Op, for me I did better in the in the New Orleans than I did the Hipper. Only reason I can come up with, is the NOLA actually has usable HE where as Hipper has that overdone AP and that weak as hell HE. Wish there was a bit more common ground where the AP could be knocked down by 20% and the HE brought up by 20% so the HE isn't so pathetic.

[Peregrinas]

Eugen and hipper are fine. Eugen is one of my top t8 cruisers. Additionally I think the op exagerates when he says he can't break 30k in a game while his average is 60k/game

 

I am not exaggerating. I cannot break 30k damage in any tier 10 game. 

[VTAdmiral]

 

I am not exaggerating. I cannot break 30k damage in any tier 10 game. 

 

So does most of that damage in you rstat average come from mid or top tier games then?

 

I know Prinz does okay when she's middle or top, she's just awful in a battleship-heavy meta like any other cruiser.

[crzyhawk]

 

I am not exaggerating. I cannot break 30k damage in any tier 10 game. 

Dude I break 30k in t10 games all the time and you're easily twice the player I am.  Pardon me if I can't buy it.

[Peregrinas]

 

So does most of that damage in you rstat average come from mid or top tier games then?

 

Yes. I can pull 80k damage games on average. But now literally every game has been tier 9 or 10 for weeks

 

[crzyhawk]

 

May be the case for the Op, for me I did better in the in the New Orleans than I did the Hipper. Only reason I can come up with, is the NOLA actually has usable HE where as Hipper has that overdone AP and that weak as hell HE. Wish there was a bit more common ground where the AP could be knocked down by 20% and the HE brought up by 20% so the HE isn't so pathetic.

I spam AP mostly with my PE.  It nets nice damage.  I rarely use the HE.  With my NOLA I unlocked it right before Tirpitz came out.  I am still ptsd over NOLA.  Combine that with the fact I find Nola's easy prey...in everything I play...yeah no respect for Nola's.

[IronWolfV]

 

Yes. I can pull 80k damage games on average. But now literally every game has been tier 9 or 10 for weeks

 

 

Yes Pereginas it sucks being up tiered, but even with Hipper, I was pulling in 25-30k damage games on average up tiered.  If you can't good as you are, that's more PEBKAC. Sorry if she's not doing your 60-80K average whenever you feel like it. But that's normal for ANY cruiser at tier 8.

[IronWolfV]

I spam AP mostly with my PE.  It nets nice damage.  I rarely use the HE.  With my NOLA I unlocked it right before Tirpitz came out.  I am still ptsd over NOLA.  Combine that with the fact I find Nola's easy prey...in everything I play...yeah no respect for Nola's.

 

Yeah, I did mostly with my Hipper too, but there were times when you'd just get an angled ship and you really just couldn't do anything, some HE would of been useful. Least with Roon I have a high enough fire chance with DE that it's an Option now to switch to HE to start fires.

[crzyhawk]

I do run DE on my PE captain, and she will start decent fires. I'm not afraid to he spam, I just prefer the AP.

[Legendary_Typo]

 

Please refresh yourself on the screenshot I posted. Thank you.

 

Your point is that the Eugen/Hipper will perform the worst out of the tier VIII cruisers in a tier X battle, one of the reasons being that it lacks a repair party, however, only the Takao-class ships in the game have a repair party, so that doesn't really explain why the Eugen/Hipper specifically performs the worst.

 

One of your other reasons is that the engagements are at such a long range, but I really don't see the issue here as the Eugen/Hipper has quite decent range compared to the other tier VIII cruisers, and the other reason is the the teams suck. I'm going to avoid the fact you only did 3,463 damage in that game, but the other tier VIII cruisers also suffer from this as well, they don't have an FCS or hull upgrade that allows them to avoid bad teams.

 

Sure, the Eugen/Hipper doesn't perform well in tier X matches, but all your original post really says is that none of the tier VIII cruisers perform well in a tier X match. All of your reasons apply to all the tier VIII ships (except Atago/Takao for point 1), none of your reasons specifically say why the Eugen is affected more, or exclusively, that would make it that bad.