Mentoring of new, less skilled players

[anonym_QOibb7dMvRGh]

I wonder how many of those who [edited]about the poor play of their fellow skippers, have ever offered, let alone actually mentored another player.

 

I did that this past weekend with a player who had signed up just 3 days ago. Got in chat and tried to give them some tips and advice.

 

Granted this was all tier II and III, but still. They were appreciative of the effort and my time.

 

I may not be a great player, but I have some knowledge and experience that I can share, even though I may not be able to pull it off most times.

 

Good luck and fair seas.

[212thAttackBattalion]

I've been introducing a couple people from my ARMA III community to WOWs and giving them as much help as I can in Tier I-III in Co-op and eventually dipping their toes into PvP, they've been having a lot of fun with it so far.

 

but yes, this can be a bit of a problem if people just disparage rather than mentor.

[NomaeTheJester]

Mmmm, haven't really done it in WOWs, but I've done it a fair few times in WOT. Actually trying to teach people I have no connection to besides the fact that we both play the same game. I've got to say, usually people I try to reach out to ignore or insult me, so it might not really be the potential mentor's fault if there is more whinging than teaching in chat. Most people would rather look good and stay bad than look bad and get good.

[BladedPheonix]

I saw a Youtube yesterday playing WOWS for the first time......

 

Good god it was painful to watch this guy play

 

WG please!  DO NOT GIVE UNEXPEREINCED PLAYERS PRESS ACCOUNTS! I just causes a bunch of headaches!

[Darth_Caedus_]

I don't complain about new players but I definitely do my best to help unskilled players.

 

The other day I was sailing the Kongo for the heck of it, citadelled an enemy Kongo for about 75% of his health.

 

He went off in chat about how I was a no skill lucky SOB and that it was bull feces that he lost so much health to one salvo. I politely pointed that to improve his survivability he should decrease the amount of time he spent broad side at the same speed on the same course.

 

I then citadelled him again for the kill to which he claimed I must obviously be cheating, to which I pointed out that he was again still sailing full broadside same course same speed.

[atPrick__]

Thought there was an entire group of players doing something like this, was a thread on here and everything....

 

[ckupf]

If I have some sort of connection (watch the same streamer, mutual friends, etc) I will often offer advice and to div with them even if they aren't any good. I don't just ask random players I see in battle or here.

[Fishrokk]

I saw a Youtube yesterday playing WOWS for the first time......

 

Good god it was painful to watch this guy play

 

WG please!  DO NOT GIVE UNEXPEREINCED PLAYERS PRESS ACCOUNTS! I just causes a bunch of headaches!

 

I get what you're saying, but it's a good thing and they should keep doing it.  Look, that inexperienced Youtuber may or may not become a player, and he almost certainly affected a number of games in an adverse way for a certain number of experienced players, but...

 

He was only one player in those matches on his teams, and there were likely other players on his teams also having an adverse affect on those experienced players' games - so, in my mind, that doesn't figure a whole bunch in the grand scheme of things.  In trade for that, he might just start up his own account, and just by putting a vid of it on Youtube, the game gets some free publicity.

 

Again, I understand and to some degree sympathize with your point of view (much like the sympathy I have for my teammates lately...) 

 

Complain that WG does it if you must, but please don't ask them to stop.  I'd love it if this game became more popular.

 

Edit: I forgot to say, good on ya, OP!

[Reymu]

It is an unspoken rule (which newbies would be unaware of) that in order to get mentoring in F2P games, ask in-game or go to the forums. But of course, since they're anonymous on internet, we do not know if they're open to help in the first place. I remember, back when I decided to have a soft heart in Tera, I would frequently offer new players help with dungeons even if it took my group 3 hours to clear it--about 70% of the time the newbie just got geared up, said thank you for the help, and never logged in afterwards.

 

Since then, I only help players that ask me. Even include a how-to for getting my attention in-game (It's in my forum signature) if they decide not to ask me via forum's PM. Simply put, it's very discouraging to go out of my way to help newbies only to find they lose interest in the game--I'd rather have future division partners like Gomez and LegoBoy, see? Not donating my time and whatnot only to find I've been mentoring someone that quit.

[Mercury49]

I answered a guys questions after the battle on the game messaging system, he was appreciative and I offered to division up in low tiers if he wanted more help. So not everyone just gets salty and yells at everyone

 

[Sink_Stuff]

I wonder how many of those who [edited]about the poor play of their fellow skippers, have ever offered, let alone actually mentored another player.

 

I did that this past weekend with a player who had signed up just 3 days ago. Got in chat and tried to give them some tips and advice.

 

Granted this was all tier II and III, but still. They were appreciative of the effort and my time.

 

I may not be a great player, but I have some knowledge and experience that I can share, even though I may not be able to pull it off most times.

 

Good luck and fair seas.

 

I spent 3 days training up a new player down the American BB line. Then, he went on his own for a day and came back and said that his performance has almost doubled. Then, the pathetic clan full of super testers that I was in kicked him from the clan after I wasted 3 days trying to train him up and grind with him. 

 

So yes, I help players. But since playing WOT for 6 years now, on and off, and this game since closed beta on and off, and being in everything from clan wars in WOT, skirmishes, and many different clans, let me tell you something.

 

You can't fix stupid and 9 times out of 10 it is nothing but a complete waste of your time. 

 

1. If a player can't get better on their own with all the Flamu videos and other help online, then they won't get better by you helping them.

2. It's not my job to teach other people how to play.

3. Wargaming doesn't want to pay me to train people, so, I don't anymore.

4. Wargaming refuses to create a tutorial system for the game that teaches people how to play.

 

Most multiplayer games create an entire single player campaign that is designed to do nothing but teach people how to play the game against bots so that they are ready for basic multiplayer gaming as soon as the single player campaign is over. Wargaming on the other hand is too damn stupid to realize that people actually need to learn to play the game BEFORE actually being able to play in multiplayer mode. So, they smartly added bot play, but stupidly refuse to actually create a single player mission mode system that teaches people what they really need to play the game.

[Killjoy1941]

Thought there was an entire group of players doing something like this, was a thread on here and everything....

 

It kind of died on the vine. Only one of three players ever contacted me and followed through on it.

[BladedPheonix]

 

I get what you're saying, but it's a good thing and they should keep doing it.  Look, that inexperienced Youtuber may or may not become a player, and he almost certainly affected a number of games in an adverse way for a certain number of experienced players, but...

 

He was only one player in those matches on his teams, and there were likely other players on his teams also having an adverse affect on those experienced players' games - so, in my mind, that doesn't figure a whole bunch in the grand scheme of things.  In trade for that, he might just start up his own account, and just by putting a vid of it on Youtube, the game gets some free publicity.

 

Again, I understand and to some degree sympathize with your point of view (much like the sympathy I have for my teammates lately...) 

 

Complain that WG does it if you must, but please don't ask them to stop.  I'd love it if this game became more popular.

 

Edit: I forgot to say, good on ya, OP!

 

OK then maybe they should restrict them to maximum tier 5. I'm all for people showing off the game. New players is good because it keeps the game alive. but when you put someone (in this case a person who didn't even know how to aim) into high tier ships and gets himself sunk in less than 5 minutes of game play, that give an image that the game is "too hard" or "too professional" for new players to get started. In fact I think his maximum damage only around 8k and he was actually proud of this! 

[Poltr]

I was browsing twitch one night while bored out of my mind and found a streamer who had just started playing the game. Was playing his first t2 ship. Started giving him tips and advice, ended up getting into TS and playing a bunch with him. He's actually a pretty decent player now who only really plays wows lol.

 

I really have no issue helping players who want to and are willing to learn.. it's the players who refuse to accept that they might not be very good and talk down to other people who piss me off.

[thegamefilmguruman]

I've got a person I'm mentoring, and they just got to T6.  It's kinda fun.

[Astralite]

 

It kind of died on the vine. Only one of three players ever contacted me and followed through on it.

 

I had the same experience in WoT, big thread created but very few people actually care to take advantage of the mentoring. Most people think they're good at the game already because they can press W a few times and left click. 

[BladedPheonix]

I've got a person I'm mentoring, and they just got to T6.  It's kinda fun.

 

aye, teaching new players can be both fun and rewarding! I remember being CO-commander in COH with a friend of mine and we would teach players tactics and tricks that they could use to win battles. before the game switched over to steam and was ruined we had around 200 members!

[MackDye]

I wonder how many of those who [edited]about the poor play of their fellow skippers, have ever offered, let alone actually mentored another player.

 

None, because these players are all as toxic as chernobyl's poop chute.

[shan5481]

I have actually tried mentoring some people in game. Since my account is banned, I've been using my little brother's account in the meantime (he's 7 so he won't mind... ) 

In a t3 game, we have 2 BBs. I die around mid/end game. I tell them "Hey BB's, try AP. It is a battleships lifeblood." As they pummel HE for the rest of the game... I said this in a few games and even got one reponse "Go F*** Yourself. You're not my superior officer." Oh the toxicity.

Now when I tutor people that I actually convinced to join the game, they listen, (as much as they can anyway, i flat out spewed information. Too much really.) And from their stats, they are coming along pretty nicely...

[VGLance]

Most of the players bashing derptards do take the time to help. It's way more than you think. In fact, the only people the majority of us bash are the under 100 games played Tirptiz players who sabotage matches because they never took the time to first learn the game mechanics. Or the 1000+ games played derptard who still uses the wrong shells and shows his broadside and drives in straight lines and suicides himself before 5 min. 

 

With 1000+ games played, they had plenty of time to read forums, ask questions, watch YouTube videos, seek clans, and a countless other proactive efforts to show us they care enough about personal development to where they deserve our respect, let alone time. 

 

When players ask for help on the forums or even during a match, we always flood them with advice. 

[atPrick__]

 

It kind of died on the vine. Only one of three players ever contacted me and followed through on it.

 

Hmmm

 

To bad, I have a feeling most players are willing to play with anyone and give "pointers". There are these forums, the port chat and even simply asking in game.

 

Watching Chase and Notser replays will only get a player so far, if anything it gives players an unrealistic expectations of what is possible.

 

Sorta like Army Combatives Training, you learn just enough to have the balls to get your [edited]kicked.

 

I have a feeling when Clan stuff picks up, hopefully, players will have more mentorship outlets.

[Thraxian]

Wonder if anyone would mentor me.....

[Thraxian]

I have a feeling when Clan stuff picks up, hopefully, players will have more mentorship outlets.

 

You'll probably start seeing a lot more butthurt about ppl getting roundly stomped by a division of clan unicums...

[Lord_Smily]

 

I spent 3 days training up a new player down the American BB line. Then, he went on his own for a day and came back and said that his performance has almost doubled. Then, the pathetic clan full of super testers that I was in kicked him from the clan after I wasted 3 days trying to train him up and grind with him. 

 

So yes, I help players. But since playing WOT for 6 years now, on and off, and this game since closed beta on and off, and being in everything from clan wars in WOT, skirmishes, and many different clans, let me tell you something.

 

You can't fix stupid and 9 times out of 10 it is nothing but a complete waste of your time. 

 

1. If a player can't get better on their own with all the Flamu videos and other help online, then they won't get better by you helping them.

2. It's not my job to teach other people how to play.

3. Wargaming doesn't want to pay me to train people, so, I don't anymore.

4. Wargaming refuses to create a tutorial system for the game that teaches people how to play.

 

Most multiplayer games create an entire single player campaign that is designed to do nothing but teach people how to play the game against bots so that they are ready for basic multiplayer gaming as soon as the single player campaign is over. Wargaming on the other hand is too damn stupid to realize that people actually need to learn to play the game BEFORE actually being able to play in multiplayer mode. So, they smartly added bot play, but stupidly refuse to actually create a single player mission mode system that teaches people what they really need to play the game.

 

Rounne why are you now so hard on that player that we mentored?.  If you remember I was there with you helping him learn the finer points of BB play.  I know your upset at our clan and by extension myself but did he really need to be the target of your anger?

[HMS_Athena]

Aside from people i introduced to the game not really. that said i have no problem helping people when i can, but i only do if if people ask me for help, i got alittle tired of the insults and trolling that resulted from offering.