17 [RAZE] ASHAMAN100 Members 82 posts 18,034 battles Report post #1 Posted December 12, 2016 This is the scenario as I understand it [please comment and don't bother saying that I'm prejudiced because I know that already]. A new player entering this game has more than likely been misled into the concept that WOWS is a free game. True its free to download but of course it has to be actively marketed to support itself. After all as we all know - nothing is really free. Sadly this kind of marketing [premium ships at tier 2] causes the less fortunate to be at a disadvantage. Let me explain: At higher tiers premium ship owners [for example Atlanta drivers] are up against experienced and informed players which evens the odds to a large extent. At tier 2 most players are still learning the basics and the advantages of a premium ship can be ruthlessly abused. At higher tiers players are using team tactics which can also help to even the odds against a premium ship player. Sadly at tier 2 most don't even know about teams, divisions and so forth. Nothing prevents an experienced player from buying a tier 2 premium ship and combining the ships abilities and his own against entry level players. Food for thought?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
964 [PLPT] SergeantHop Members 4,435 posts 6,599 battles Report post #2 Posted December 12, 2016 The tier 2 premiums really aren't that great... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,894 [HINON] Doomlock [HINON] Wiki Lead, Beta Testers, Privateers 6,801 posts 5,248 battles Report post #3 Posted December 12, 2016 This is the scenario as I understand it [please comment and don't bother saying that I'm prejudiced because I know that already]. A new player entering this game has more than likely been misled into the concept that WOWS is a free game. True its free to download but of course it has to be actively marketed to support itself. After all as we all know - nothing is really free. Sadly this kind of marketing [premium ships at tier 2] causes the less fortunate to be at a disadvantage. Let me explain: At higher tiers premium ship owners [for example Atlanta drivers] are up against experienced and informed players which evens the odds to a large extent. At tier 2 most players are still learning the basics and the advantages of a premium ship can be ruthlessly abused. At higher tiers players are using team tactics which can also help to even the odds against a premium ship player. Sadly at tier 2 most don't even know about teams, divisions and so forth. Nothing prevents an experienced player from buying a tier 2 premium ship and combining the ships abilities and his own against entry level players. Food for thought?! The games MM was changed to where players with a certain amount of battles (Example: <100 games) do not see players with less than that amount of battles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
520 [-FBS-] saagri Members 2,646 posts 4,290 battles Report post #4 Posted December 12, 2016 Even without the low tier premiums, seal clubbing would still be a thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
436 _Luna Alpha Tester 884 posts 3,403 battles Report post #5 Posted December 12, 2016 Nothings stopping an experienced player from sticking a high point captain in a tech tree ship an abusing new players. It would/can happen with or without Tier 2 premiums. Whats your point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39,448 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 27,824 posts 26,916 battles Report post #6 Posted December 12, 2016 WG offers premium ships for all wallets. Even the thin ones. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
406 [MWM] White_Tiger117 Alpha Tester 1,704 posts 2,303 battles Report post #7 Posted December 12, 2016 This is the scenario as I understand it [please comment and don't bother saying that I'm prejudiced because I know that already]. A new player entering this game has more than likely been misled into the concept that WOWS is a free game. True its free to download but of course it has to be actively marketed to support itself. After all as we all know - nothing is really free. Sadly this kind of marketing [premium ships at tier 2] causes the less fortunate to be at a disadvantage. Let me explain: At higher tiers premium ship owners [for example Atlanta drivers] are up against experienced and informed players which evens the odds to a large extent. At tier 2 most players are still learning the basics and the advantages of a premium ship can be ruthlessly abused. At higher tiers players are using team tactics which can also help to even the odds against a premium ship player. Sadly at tier 2 most don't even know about teams, divisions and so forth. Nothing prevents an experienced player from buying a tier 2 premium ship and combining the ships abilities and his own against entry level players. Food for thought?! its easier to seal club in a normal tier 2 destroyer then it is Premium................. *cough* Not that I have done such a thing!!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,562 [SYN] Kapitan_Wuff Members 8,292 posts 14,496 battles Report post #8 Posted December 12, 2016 The T2 premiums aren't great, arguably worse than tech tree ships, (though with fun unique qualities) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5,661 Macabe Alpha Tester, Members, In AlfaTesters, Beta Testers 12,413 posts Report post #9 Posted December 12, 2016 Low tier new players dont see the more experienced players often. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
106 Kojo401 Beta Testers 302 posts 2,583 battles Report post #10 Posted December 12, 2016 Even if low tier premiums were to not exist experienced players will still play down there, there are plenty of fun tech tree ships like Derzki and Dresden. Whether you want to call me a seal clubber or not I find it fun and I imagine a lot of other experienced players sick of passive high tier play find it fun as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
370 MexicanPanda Beta Testers 1,529 posts 1,148 battles Report post #11 Posted December 12, 2016 The games MM was changed to where players with a certain amount of battles (Example: <100 games) do not see players with less than that amount of battles. That's only in WoT. In WoWS, tiers 1-4 are protected from the higher tiers. So it's a seal clubbers paradise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
267 SubTender_Taigei Members 553 posts 8,586 battles Report post #12 Posted December 12, 2016 Tier 2 premiums are like a tickle machine. They make you wonder who would buy such a weird thing but it's cheap so you buy it and it entertains you for a little bit and you start giggling but after one use you get bored of it and wonder why you bought it in the first place and you wish you could refund it because you're not using again but you can't so it just sits there and whenever you see it you feel regret and you tell your friends and family to never buy it and instead get something that could be used more than once but they buy it too because it's cheap and sounds fun and it makes them giggle but then they realize they won't use it again and they tell their friends and family to not buy it but they do so now lots of houses have a tickle machine and ohmygod when is this going to end and why arent there any periods or commas I'm going to run out of brea- 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,521 [HINON] RipNuN2 Members 14,340 posts Report post #13 Posted December 12, 2016 That's only in WoT. In WoWS, tiers 1-4 are protected from the higher tiers. So it's a seal clubbers paradise. Nope they did add that here a long time ago if you go back and review the patch notes its in one of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
17 [RAZE] ASHAMAN100 Members 82 posts 18,034 battles Report post #14 Posted December 12, 2016 We have all heard of an addiction that can be bad for you. WOWS is my addiction but because I seem to be useless at it [my post "love the game but losing all the time applies"] I am forced to play with only entry level ships and/or arps which I don't know how to use properly and therefore cannot maintain [service costs as an example]. I suppose what irritates me so much is the fact that I am not financially in a position to invest in the game. Still after all that I think its a great game. I envy all of you who are good at this game and/or are able to invest in it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
370 MexicanPanda Beta Testers 1,529 posts 1,148 battles Report post #15 Posted December 12, 2016 Nope they did add that here a long time ago if you go back and review the patch notes its in one of them. So why do tiers 3 and 4 still have limited MM if there is already another system in place to protect actual new players and not seal clubbers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
256 [VANN] VannKraken [VANN] Members 965 posts 6,507 battles Report post #16 Posted December 12, 2016 I haven't been playing long, but I don't think the advantages of Tier II premiums are all that great, honestly. I got a Diana for free as part of my referral rewards and I had a LOT more fun grinding the Dresden for four games a few days ago. If there is an OP Tier II, I think it's that little KM bugger and the ninja Umikaze... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,521 [HINON] RipNuN2 Members 14,340 posts Report post #17 Posted December 12, 2016 So why do tiers 3 and 4 still have limited MM if there is already another system in place to protect actual new players and not seal clubbers? Layers upon layers, kinda like cakes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
762 IceSerpen7 Members 3,959 posts 7,738 battles Report post #18 Posted December 12, 2016 At tier 2 most players are still learning the basics and the advantages of a premium ship can be ruthlessly abused. What advantages are you talking about? I don't think there are any T2 premium ships that have any game play advantages over their tech tree counterparts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
17 [RAZE] ASHAMAN100 Members 82 posts 18,034 battles Report post #19 Posted December 12, 2016 What advantages are you talking about? I don't think there are any T2 premium ships that have any game play advantages over their tech tree counterparts. I am not referring to the ships advantages. I am referring to a higher tier players experience combined with premium and normal ships at this level. Normally players would try to get to tier 3 and higher as soon as possible. I wonder how many players just bought their way into higher tiers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
17 [RAZE] ASHAMAN100 Members 82 posts 18,034 battles Report post #20 Posted December 12, 2016 its easier to seal club in a normal tier 2 destroyer then it is Premium................. *cough* Not that I have done such a thing!!! Is seal clubbing an unofficial method by which to force players to invest in WOWS premium shop, so as to advance to higher tiers quicker? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,573 [TNP66] landedkiller Beta Testers 3,185 posts 9,199 battles Report post #21 Posted December 12, 2016 no we have premiums at this tier in world of tanks and they are not game breaking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
348 [5IN] bassmasta76 Members 2,109 posts 10,709 battles Report post #22 Posted December 12, 2016 Lol, I bought Tachibana because I wanted a premium at the time (it was my first) and thought it would fun. I was wrong. Maybe for some players it is fun, but not for me. I still have it but haven't played it in awhile. Maybe with a 15 point captain and CE, but otherwise it'll just sit in port. Same thing goes for König Albert... I know its not T2, but I thought it would be fun... not so much (IMHO)... corn grows faster than that thing sails . Too slow for my tastes. B Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78 manavdharma Beta Testers 973 posts 2,500 battles Report post #23 Posted December 12, 2016 The tier 2 premiums really aren't that great... Albany= great battle rammer Mikasa= nice T2 BB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
106 Kojo401 Beta Testers 302 posts 2,583 battles Report post #24 Posted December 13, 2016 Albany= great battle rammer Mikasa= nice T2 BB best T2 BB Fixed that for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,244 Seraphil Alpha Tester 4,156 posts 8,061 battles Report post #25 Posted December 13, 2016 I am not referring to the ships advantages. I am referring to a higher tier players experience combined with premium and normal ships at this level. Normally players would try to get to tier 3 and higher as soon as possible. I wonder how many players just bought their way into higher tiers? 1. Tier 2 premium ships are crap, only for collectors(Mikasa) or people who like gimmicky gameplay(Smith) 2. There's nothing stopping veteran players from playing regular tier 2 ships, and there are some who do, namely in something like the Umikaze which has a very abusable torpedo armament 3. You're more likely to find these sealclubbers in tier 3 or tier 4, since that's around when new players leave the protected status for new players' first 10(or 20? Don't remember the exact number) battles. Basically, they only get matched up with other new players in battle at first. After that, they then have protection against much stronger ships via the 1-tier spread matchmaking at tier 3 and 4. However, they are no longer protected against veteran players who want to take advantage of them at these tiers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
