USN cv loadout hotfix?

[HMS_Calgary]

As a player just starting a CV line, i am confused as to why WG doesn't hotfix USN loadouts to something more enjoyable/competitive. On one hand they desperately try encourage us to pick a CV line up through missions and bonuses, then ignore an incredible imbalance throughout an entire line! As most have heard, CV fix coming soonTM(2017ish?), however this is general UI fixes and economy form what i know. Has any info been released of WG addressing the @#$%up that is USN CV? Any encouragement would be nice as im really feeling like a scrub not simply going IJN CV. (Essex is why  FYI. )

[HazeGrayUnderway]

USN CVs ingame are needed to make the IJN CVs look good.

[legoboy0401]

As a player just starting a CV line, i am confused as to why WG doesn't hotfix USN loadouts to something more enjoyable/competitive. On one hand they desperately try encourage us to pick a CV line up through missions and bonuses, then ignore an incredible imbalance throughout an entire line! As most have heard, CV fix coming soonTM(2017ish?), however this is general UI fixes and economy form what i know. Has any info been released of WG addressing the @#$%up that is USN CV? Any encouragement would be nice as im really feeling like a scrub not simply going IJN CV. (Essex is why  FYI. )

 

Because "Reasons", "balance", "national flavor" and the fact that CVs are going to be going away SOON(TM).  Besides, gameplay and"balance", as well as "national flavor" reasons are often used as an excuse to throw a giant middle finger to history.

 

BTW, the CV system as a whole is just broken. WG have acknowledged this, and will fix it soon.

[HMS_Calgary]

USN CVs ingame are needed to make the IJN CVs look good.

 

IJN CV are actually fairly good. As far a avg dmg they compete with other capital ships whiles still being able to defend themselves against a AS USN CV.

[WhatIsTheOdds]

I avg 110k dmg in Taihou and a good Essex player can still do well against me. I've played both lines to T9 and I think they are fairly balanced now. USN CVs require more risk and a bit of luck but the reward is higher. Just don't run fighter loadout. 

[Flashtirade]

Please just change Ranger and Lexington strike to 1-1-2.

[pyantoryng]

The one fix they did was getting rid of 2/1/1 from Lexington...it was clear what their intentions were.

[IronWolfV]

I avg 110k dmg in Taihou and a good Essex player can still do well against me. I've played both lines to T9 and I think they are fairly balanced now. USN CVs require more risk and a bit of luck but the reward is higher. Just don't run fighter loadout. 

 

Balanced? I swear you wouldn't know what balance is if it walked up and slapped you.  How is it balanced especially tier 5-8 where a USN carrier either has to take a gimped "balanced loadout", or 1 of 2 all or nothing loadouts, or at 7 and 8 a crap loadout that really can't do jack.

 

Biggest issue is the fact most carriers in the USN(except saipan) requires a 6 plane format which gives absolutely zero flexibility.  Best way to even it out, shift the USN to 4 planes as well(since most air/naval forces went to a 4 plane format by the start of WW2) and give the USN more ruggedness(which they had) while the IJN is faster and more nimble.  And let the IJN have better torp bombers, while the USN gets more accurate DBs and make the IJN TB heavy like they are now, USN more DB heavy like they are now, ,but now the USN doesn't have the all or nothing [edited]we've had for almost 2 years.

 

Problems solved.

[GenSphinx]

 

Balanced? I swear you wouldn't know what balance is if it walked up and slapped you.  How is it balanced especially tier 5-8 where a USN carrier either has to take a gimped "balanced loadout", or 1 of 2 all or nothing loadouts, or at 7 and 8 a crap loadout that really can't do jack.

 

Biggest issue is the fact most carriers in the USN(except saipan) requires a 6 plane format which gives absolutely zero flexibility.  Best way to even it out, shift the USN to 4 planes as well(since most air/naval forces went to a 4 plane format by the start of WW2) and give the USN more ruggedness(which they had) while the IJN is faster and more nimble.  And let the IJN have better torp bombers, while the USN gets more accurate DBs and make the IJN TB heavy like they are now, USN more DB heavy like they are now, ,but now the USN doesn't have the all or nothing [edited]we've had for almost 2 years.

 

Problems solved.

 

Very well said, but sadly WG will read this and go "Oh we need to nerf US CV's again then."

[hipcanuck]

 

Balanced? I swear you wouldn't know what balance is if it walked up and slapped you.  How is it balanced especially tier 5-8 where a USN carrier either has to take a gimped "balanced loadout", or 1 of 2 all or nothing loadouts, or at 7 and 8 a crap loadout that really can't do jack.

 

Biggest issue is the fact most carriers in the USN(except saipan) requires a 6 plane format which gives absolutely zero flexibility.  Best way to even it out, shift the USN to 4 planes as well(since most air/naval forces went to a 4 plane format by the start of WW2) and give the USN more ruggedness(which they had) while the IJN is faster and more nimble.  And let the IJN have better torp bombers, while the USN gets more accurate DBs and make the IJN TB heavy like they are now, USN more DB heavy like they are now, ,but now the USN doesn't have the all or nothing [edited]we've had for almost 2 years.

 

Problems solved.

Ive said that a bazillion times lol. Make the CV loadouts identical, let the PLAYERS choose how to run their CV, give the US CV's better AA, the IJN CV's better maneuverability (because that was their 'go to' tactics for defence), and adjust the PLANES for nationality flavour. Much easier to balance.

 

Each nationality in a given tier should have the same number of squadrons, with each squadron having the same number of planes. As you go up the tiers, the number of squadrons increases, say every other tier you get an additional squadron. Get rid of the Saipan, make the Wasp and the Shinano (low plane count) tier 7 premiums, swap the Shokaku and Taiho because of Taiho's lower plane count and put Akagi at tier 10. Get rid of Midway, move the Essex to tier 10 and insert a Yorktown class at tier 9.

 

[hipcanuck]

Please just change Ranger and Lexington strike to 1-1-2.

 

Absolutely not! Two 6 plane US TB squads is enough to instantly delete any tier 5 to tier 8 ship. Stack them up and its far to easy to land 8 torps in one pass, much like the Ryujo was early on with 3 TB squads.

[IronWolfV]

 

Absolutely not! Two 6 plane US TB squads is enough to instantly delete any tier 5 to tier 8 ship. Stack them up and its far to easy to land 8 torps in one pass, much like the Ryujo was early on with 3 TB squads.

 

That 2 is in the DIVE BOMBER section. 1 fighter, 1 Torpedo Bomber Squadron, 2 Dive bomber squadrons. Instead of having 0/1/3 shift one of the DB squads to a fighter squad.

[VTAdmiral]

 

Balanced? I swear you wouldn't know what balance is if it walked up and slapped you.  How is it balanced especially tier 5-8 where a USN carrier either has to take a gimped "balanced loadout", or 1 of 2 all or nothing loadouts, or at 7 and 8 a crap loadout that really can't do jack.

 

Biggest issue is the fact most carriers in the USN(except saipan) requires a 6 plane format which gives absolutely zero flexibility.  Best way to even it out, shift the USN to 4 planes as well(since most air/naval forces went to a 4 plane format by the start of WW2) and give the USN more ruggedness(which they had) while the IJN is faster and more nimble.  And let the IJN have better torp bombers, while the USN gets more accurate DBs and make the IJN TB heavy like they are now, USN more DB heavy like they are now, ,but now the USN doesn't have the all or nothing [edited]we've had for almost 2 years.

 

Problems solved.

 

Exactly what I've had in my sig for almost a year now. I've PM'd Ardreiss and had a real life conversation with Q about it, too.

 

Nothing has happened.

[IronWolfV]

 

Exactly what I've had in my sig for almost a year now. I've PM'd Ardreiss and had a real life conversation with Q about it, too.

 

Nothing has happened.

 

I know. I've agreed everytime it came up. Course nothing happens. USA is considered trash and the only reason we won is we outproduced the other sides. Not like the Hellcat, Mustang, B-17, B-24, .50 Caliber machine gun, Baltimore(which was widely considered pound for pound the best cruiser of ww2 and in this game, total garbage), and a few other things I could mention. I mean I love the excuse "oh just wait till the A7M hit the skies". My reply "and the bearcat rips it to pieces, along with the Mustang who took down freaking 262s".

 

I mean did the USA have the best of everything? Nope. Did they have a bunch of good stuff. Oh hell yes.

[hipcanuck]

 

That 2 is in the DIVE BOMBER section. 1 fighter, 1 Torpedo Bomber Squadron, 2 Dive bomber squadrons. Instead of having 0/1/3 shift one of the DB squads to a fighter squad.

 

oops, my bad, should know better by now lol. Yea, that would be a great setup for a lexi. The only way a 202 setup works (which is what I use on my Ranger, primarly because of that Saipan abomination) is try and get fires with the first bomber and then wait until its repaired to hit with the second, not the most fun.

[Flashtirade]

 

I know. I've agreed everytime it came up. Course nothing happens. USA is considered trash and the only reason we won is we outproduced the other sides. Not like the Hellcat, Mustang, B-17, B-24, .50 Caliber machine gun, Baltimore(which was widely considered pound for pound the best cruiser of ww2 and in this game, total garbage), and a few other things I could mention. I mean I love the excuse "oh just wait till the A7M hit the skies". My reply "and the bearcat rips it to pieces, along with the Mustang who took down freaking 262s".

 

I mean did the USA have the best of everything? Nope. Did they have a bunch of good stuff. Oh hell yes.

 

Fun fact: comparing fighters on a per plane basis shows that individually IJN fighters are better than USN fighters.

[IronWolfV]

 

Fun fact: comparing fighters on a per plane basis shows that individually IJN fighters are better than USN fighters.

 

Actually not really.  F6F compeletely outclassed the Zero. Hell the F4F had a faster dive speed, and turned tighter at high speeds. Only place the zero was truely dangerous was 1v1 low speed turning dogfights.  And if it was so much better how did the F4F WILDCAT manage a 10v1 ratio?

[Menemy]

 

I know. I've agreed everytime it came up. Course nothing happens. USA is considered trash and the only reason we won is we outproduced the other sides. Not like the Hellcat, Mustang, B-17, B-24, .50 Caliber machine gun, Baltimore(which was widely considered pound for pound the best cruiser of ww2 and in this game, total garbage), and a few other things I could mention. I mean I love the excuse "oh just wait till the A7M hit the skies". My reply "and the bearcat rips it to pieces, along with the Mustang who took down freaking 262s".

 

I mean did the USA have the best of everything? Nope. Did they have a bunch of good stuff. Oh hell yes.

 

P-51 beats 262? HAHAHAHAH try again.

Unreliable engine with short service life? yes, would i still take it above a mustang? HELL YES

 

50 cals are too glorified, it's not a coincidence that most nation used 20mms for main guns and the USN and later the newly made USAF changed to the AN/M modified hispanos.

[IronWolfV]

 

P-51 beats 262? HAHAHAHAH try again.

Unreliable engine with short service life? yes, would i still take it above a mustang? HELL YES

 

50 cals are too glorified, it's not a coincidence that most nation used 20mms for main guns and the USN and later the newly made USAF changed to the AN/M modified hispanos.

 

50 cals were used in the F86 saber and up till vietnam.  Then the USA went to 20mm guns.  And a P-51 can't catch a 262 in a straight line sure, but in a turn that 262 has to slow down or rip it's wings off and in a dive a Mustang could catch a 262. It was hard, but doable.

[Menemy]

 

50 cals were used in the F86 saber and up till vietnam.  Then the USA went to 20mm guns.  And a P-51 can't catch a 262 in a straight line sure, but in a turn that 262 has to slow down or rip it's wings off and in a dive a Mustang could catch a 262. It was hard, but doable.

 

You see, 50 cals make some sense in jet combat, you don't need a big round to give jets some hurts but even then because the planes are going so fast you have less opportunities to hit them (shorter windows) thus a bigger round does the job more reliably.

A 262 ripping from a high speed turn? Even if the P-51 would somehow manage to follow it the amount of Gs on the pilot would most likely instantly knock him out.

The Mustang catching a 262 in a dive? That might be possible if they were both in low energy states before the dive as early jets can't really accelerate that much but if they were above.. 550 sounds fair then the 262 will fly away without much trouble.

[IronWolfV]

 

You see, 50 cals make some sense in jet combat, you don't need a big round to give jets some hurts but even then because the planes are going so fast you have less opportunities to hit them (shorter windows).

A 262 ripping from a high speed turn? Even if the P-51 would somehow manage to follow it the amount of Gs on the pilot would most likely instantly knock him out.

The Mustang catching a 262 in a dive? That might be possible if they were both in low energy states before the dive as early jets can't really accelerate that much but if they were above.. 550 sounds fair then the 262 will fly away without much trouble.

 

Actually it was shown in the movie Red Tails and Mustang pilots would quickly learn to do this. They'd sit high above the bombers and dive in as the 262s began their attack run and catch them in a high speed dive. Wouldn't always work, but it did catch a few asleep at the wheel. But most of the 262 kills came when the Mustangs held them off then chased them to the deck as they tried to land.

[Menemy]

 

Actually it was shown in the movie Red Tails and Mustang pilots would quickly learn to do this. They'd sit high above the bombers and dive in as the 262s began their attack run and catch them in a high speed dive. Wouldn't always work, but it did catch a few asleep at the wheel. But most of the 262 kills came when the Mustangs held them off then chased them to the deck as they tried to land.

 

Don't quote the movie Red Tails, in that movie a P-51 does a head on and the 50cals blow up the 262(through the glass mind you, the 80mm bulletproof glass) while the mustang pilot received multiple 30mm rounds to his body and flew for quite a while later. (And there are MANY MANY MORE ridiculous things like the mustang turning like a friggin biplane)

 

Let me remind you what those 30mm guns were capable of doing

[Anumati]

Yes it is quite dumb. It would make sense for there to be 4 man squadrons. Graf has them, IJN has them. I assume the RN CVs will have them. Apparently the devs will absolutely stonewall any reasoning or attempts for making USN 4 man squadrons. They are set in their ways... but that may have recently changed. We never know, the CV rework that is supposed to come soon™ may have more logic applied.

[Flashtirade]

 

You see, 50 cals make some sense in jet combat, you don't need a big round to give jets some hurts but even then because the planes are going so fast you have less opportunities to hit them (shorter windows) thus a bigger round does the job more reliably.

A 262 ripping from a high speed turn? Even if the P-51 would somehow manage to follow it the amount of Gs on the pilot would most likely instantly knock him out.

The Mustang catching a 262 in a dive? That might be possible if they were both in low energy states before the dive as early jets can't really accelerate that much but if they were above.. 550 sounds fair then the 262 will fly away without much trouble.

 

After WW2 the US started to transition off the 50 cal to 20mm cannons (good ones this time) because the damage against MiG-15s was lacking. Later versions of the Sabre came off the line with them by the time the Korean War ended.

[Madwolf05]

 

P-51 beats 262? HAHAHAHAH try again.

Unreliable engine with short service life? yes, would i still take it above a mustang? HELL YES

 

50 cals are too glorified, it's not a coincidence that most nation used 20mms for main guns and the USN and later the newly made USAF changed to the AN/M modified hispanos.

 

The 50 cals got the job done, were reliable, easy to maintaim, and readily available. They were also better for long range flights thanks to having a lot more ammo. Since the US didn't face many heavy bombers, which was the P-38s job.

 

And quit comparing the P-51 to the 262 like a dumb dumb. The 262 would have fought the P-80 had it actually been needed, and the P-80 was a superior aircraft. It just didn't get to get in any fights when it flew in combat at the end of the war because the Luftwaffe was already destroyed.

 

P-51 could win against a 262 if it had too. It has a longer range, higher service ceiling, and a better rate of climb, and control at high speeds. The P-51 just had to wait the 262 out, and pounce once he was out of fuel.

 

The American P-51 and P-38 were two of the best prop planes of tge entire war.