German Cruiser AP is pathetic

[behindurback]

German cruisers supposed to have good AP, that's their thing right, except they dont

at tier 8 the Hipper/Prinz Potato have above average AP dmg and good shell velocity, but they have very bad penetration values and long fuse times which basically mean you have a hard time penetrating BBs and vs cruisers you over pen a lot

 

german cruiser AP is very unreliable and quite useless and needs a buff

[Phoenix_jz]

You again?

 

Obvious troll is obvious, you do this too often. I r8 0/10 for effort

[TenguBlade]

You again?

 

Obvious troll is obvious, you do this too often. I r8 0/10 for effort

He's not wrong.  German AP shells tend to shatter really easily.  That doesn't mean he's completely right, but his point about the AP performance is valid.

 

OP, have you ever heard of aiming for somewhere other than the belt with your AP?  BB superstructures at those tiers will almost never bounce your shells, not to mention that they're thick enough to prevent overpenetrations if you hit the base.

[Aetreus]

German cruisers have shorter fuze times.

[Phoenix_jz]

He's not wrong.  German AP shells tend to shatter really easily.  That doesn't mean he's completely right, but his point about the AP performance is valid.

 

OP, have you ever heard of aiming for somewhere other than the belt with your AP?  BB superstructures at those tiers will almost never bounce your shells, not to mention that they're thick enough to prevent overpenetrations if you hit the base.

 

Oh yes, he does have a point in a way. But he's also a consistent troll who pops up with threads like these just to cause havoc, so my first response is not to take him seriously

[danredda1616]

German cruisers are not just "Shoot AP to win". Unlike most cruisers however, they require a lot of thought about ammunition choice. Bow on BB, cruiser, or a DD, load HE. Think they're gonna turn broadside? load AP, shoot the superstructure (BB) or hull citadel area (Cruiser). Overall I find the German Cruisers to be one of the more enjoyable class of ships in the game. Especially the Hindenburg.

[DukeRust]

Yeah, german cruisers have bad AP. It sucks they are prevented from switching shells. The game should have something besides Armor Piercing. Something like a Big Splash shell. This Big Splash ([edited]) could be use against targets that have too much armor for reliable penetration. Also, they could do damage to components and stuff. And, I know this is asking a lot, but ships should be able to switch between AP and [edited]shells. That way if you're really good at AP, you can use it on those targets it works great against and then swap out to [edited]shells for targets where your AP isn't as strong.

 

I mean, it's just an idea.

[Peregrinas]

Yeah, german cruisers have bad AP. It sucks they are prevented from switching shells. The game should have something besides Armor Piercing. Something like a Big Splash shell. This Big Splash ([edited]) could be use against targets that have too much armor for reliable penetration. Also, they could do damage to components and stuff. And, I know this is asking a lot, but ships should be able to switch between AP and [edited]shells. That way if you're really good at AP, you can use it on those targets it works great against and then swap out to [edited]shells for targets where your AP isn't as strong.

 

I mean, it's just an idea.

 

[SovereignEagle]

The Hipper's AP is awesome. The only issue with it is when versing something like an Atlanta where you find your shells just going straight through for overpens. Coupled with the amazing shell velocity, for enemy cruisers showing broadside she can hit as hard a BB sometimes.

[SergeantHop]

 

 

Second.

[TenguBlade]

Second.

Sarcasm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You

 

 

Replaced all the edits with HE.

 

 

[Combined_Fleet_HQ]

 

Both matches were german CAs

 

Yes German AP is terribad I had to use HE and did more dmg, I thought german AP meant was broken, guess not. needs buff 

[Peregrinas]

I'm just going to leave this here...

 

[ValkyrWarframe]

Ok, the 8 inch guns are really good.  But German 150mm guns SUCK.  I'm not kidding, I get more citadels at close range in Atlanta than in Nurnberg.

[RadioaktiveTwinkieO_O]

I love my Hipper and have never had any real problems with german AP on cruisers or bb's

[Sovereigndawg]

I run hipper with demolition expert and get more fires that way. If AP isn't doing any thing I switch to the HE start fires and then back to AP.

[AHeadlessChicken]

AP isn't their thing its more the USN Thing, Because the USN heavy cruisers have the best 203's. 

[TenguBlade]

AP isn't their thing its more the USN Thing, Because the USN heavy cruisers have the best 203's. 

The two countries compete for the AP niche in different ways.  The USN and UK have amazing hidden performance - lowered overmatch windows and sensitive fuzes mean that AP has extremely reliable output even if the damage and penetration average to below-average.  The Germans are the exact opposite: their AP has high alpha and massive penetration, but their shells are, if anything, more sensitive than average to angling because of their high velocity and shape, which results in a lot of shatters when they're not angled.

[Compassghost]

German cruisers have high AP damage, but very low penetration. Damage for German cruisers is consistent from 12km to 0km, while it increases dramatically for other nation CAs because they continue to gain significant penetration. That's why German cruisers can't citadel Montanas, while stuff like Des Moines and Zao can.

[IronWolfV]

That double edged sword. German 8 inch AP are cruiser slayers and against DDs can wreak havoc. Can't tell you how many times I unload on a DD in a Roon and slice off 6k off the health.

[Kuckoo]

The day just can't be without a behindurback whine/troll thread.

[IronWolfV]

The day just can't be without a behindurback whine/troll thread.

 

All we need is a Kyogre troll thread, Axelgrease and a few others and we can call a fiesta!

[Mavairo]

 

All we need is a Kyogre troll thread, Axelgrease and a few others and we can call a fiesta!

 

​Whatever happened to our "Dedicated and Professional" player anyway?

[Compassghost]

He's on reddit if you want to talk to him.

[SCygnus]

You know, everyone pans German HE but you should absolutely switch to HE if the situation calls for it - i.e. there is not another broadside target to shoot AP at.