"Free" IJN DD premium camo soon to be removed

[giovybez]

aktchullyyyy lol nah all I'm saying is that their decision to fadoodle with the tech tree has cost people credits and even gold, free camo for a couple weeks is a nice gesture to make up for the real "inconvenience."

[Tekina_]

It's a shame we can't keep them but I can't say I am surprised.

[Goodwood_Alpha]

this goes against any consumer outfit I've been a part of - you eat your mistakes, you don't take them back. Just saying, no big deal. 

 

Agreed. Laws in the U.S., at least, are put in place to protect the consumer from unscrupulous business practices such as price gouging, bait-and-switch sales, and price-fixing between supposed competitors as well as things like accidental overcharging. Perhaps Russia doesn't have these sorts of protections, but that's irrelevant to the letter and spirit of the law when it comes to any business they might do in the United States. If they take American money from Americans in America, they gotta abide by our trade laws.

 

I can see where they are coming from, though, as this not-so-little flub represents a potentially serious hit to their bottom line. But you can't just take back a mistake like that, it's illegal here. If a bank makes an error that results in a hundred thousand dollars deposited in your account, they are not allowed to recoup the blunder—it's yours, and there's nothing they can do about it.

 

Edit #2: It occurs to me that they might only do this for the servers located in countries where it would be legal for them to do this sort of take-back. Perhaps that's why there's been a post in the Russian forum and not here—yet. Either way, I'm not going to let myself get worked up any which way; the case has been stated, the ball is in their court.

[Happy668]

huh? even in USA if retailer got the price wrong, they can void the order, happened all the time

[Carrier_Graf_Zeppelin]

 

Agreed. Laws in the U.S., at least, are put in place to protect the consumer from unscrupulous business practices such as price gouging, bait-and-switch sales, and price-fixing between supposed competitors as well as things like accidental overcharging. Perhaps Russia doesn't have these sorts of protections, but that's irrelevant to the letter and spirit of the law when it comes to any business they might do in the United States. If they take American money from Americans in America, they gotta abide by our trade laws.

 

I can see where they are coming from, though, as this not-so-little flub represents a potentially serious hit to their bottom line. But you can't just take back a mistake like that, it's illegal here. If a bank makes an error that results in a hundred thousand dollars deposited in your account, they are not allowed to recoup the blunder—it's yours, and there's nothing they can do about it.

 

Edit #2: It occurs to me that they might only do this for the servers located in countries where it would be legal for them to do this sort of take-back. Perhaps that's why there's been a post in the Russian forum and not here—yet. Either way, I'm not going to let myself get worked up any which way; the case has been stated, the ball is in their court.

 

 

 

Not sure what your talking about, if a banks wrongly deposits money in your account and realizes it you can bet they're getting it back, same thing with this. The people who accidentally got it didn't pay for it so they aren't out anything and honestly have no room to complain about it being taken away. Granted they could be nice and let everyone keep it but I'd imagine it was wrongly given out to enough people that WG sees it as negatively affecting them.

[Goodwood_Alpha]

huh? even in USA if retailer got the price wrong, they can void the order, happened all the time

 

If you notice before money is exchanged, then yes. But if you realize later that they overcharged you, they not only have to pay you back the difference, but depending on state law, they also have to give you extra up to a set amount if it is less. For example, here in Michigan, if you buy an item that is tagged for $50, and when the cashier rings it up it comes up $52.50 and then you pay for it before you notice the error, the store you bought the item from must pay you $5 in recompense even though the difference was only $2.50.

[Goodwood_Alpha]

Not sure what your talking about, if a banks wrongly deposits money in your account and realizes it you can bet they're getting it back, same thing with this. The people who accidentally got it didn't pay for it so they aren't out anything and honestly have no room to complain about it being taken away. Granted they could be nice and let everyone keep it but I'd imagine it was wrongly given out to enough people that WG sees it as negatively affecting them.

 

There's a reason there is a Monopoly chance card that says "Bank error in your favor, collect $200." That's U.S. law. And as I said, I'm not too passionate either way, but I do feel obligated to state the facts as I understand them. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. But ultimately there's little I can do about it myself.

 

It's an interesting case, to be sure.

[Camo68]

 

 If a bank makes an error that results in a hundred thousand dollars deposited in your account, they are not allowed to recoup the blunder—it's yours, and there's nothing they can do about it.

 

 

Please if you ever have this happen DON'T use the money, I think you need to examine the laws a little more carefully.

[IceSerpen7]

 

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By mistake accrued. You sleep. Soon to be classified on the subject. Excuse for troubling.

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Google translate has a different message?

 

 

Google translate can only translate into "google language", which has nothing to do with any human languages on the planet.

 

[JCC45]

 

There's a reason there is a Monopoly chance card that says "Bank error in your favor, collect $200." That's U.S. law. And as I said, I'm not too passionate either way, but I do feel obligated to state the facts as I understand them. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. But ultimately there's little I can do about it myself.

 

It's an interesting case, to be sure.

 

You could not be more wrong.

 

And if you want proof contact the 22-year-old in a Philadelphia suburb whose bank mistakenly deposited nearly $70,000 into his account in March 2012.  At the time, the account-holder only had about $35 in his account, but over the next several weeks, he made several withdrawals from his account and spent all but $2,000 of the money before his bank traced their error back to his account.  While the bank is ultimately responsible for replacing lost monies in such situations, the above referenced account-holder was charged by the Bensalem, PA police with receiving stolen property and theft of property lost by mistake.

 

Before spouting utter nonsense and making yourself look like an idiot perhaps you should do a little research.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2012/05/24/bank-error-in-your-favor/#63be40b348da

 

https://www.quora.com/If-my-bank-mistakenly-deposits-1-000-000-into-my-account-am-I-legally-allowed-to-spend-it-before-they-realize-their-mistake

 

https://www.thebalance.com/can-bank-make-deposits-to-wrong-account-2386128

 

 

On the other hand using the game Monopoly as a legal citation  was downright hilarious.  

 

 

Now, could we please resume raging about the fact that WG has made it too easy to get ARP ships by the people that already have them, but want to hang on to the free camo they got through an error on WGs part. 

[Goodwood_Alpha]

 

You could not be more wrong.

 

And if you want proof contact the 22-year-old in a Philadelphia suburb whose bank mistakenly deposited nearly $70,000 into his account in March 2012.  At the time, the account-holder only had about $35 in his account, but over the next several weeks, he made several withdrawals from his account and spent all but $2,000 of the money before his bank traced their error back to his account.  While the bank is ultimately responsible for replacing lost monies in such situations, the above referenced account-holder was charged by the Bensalem, PA police with receiving stolen property and theft of property lost by mistake.

 

Before spouting utter nonsense and making yourself look like an idiot perhaps you should do a little research.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2012/05/24/bank-error-in-your-favor/#63be40b348da

 

https://www.quora.com/If-my-bank-mistakenly-deposits-1-000-000-into-my-account-am-I-legally-allowed-to-spend-it-before-they-realize-their-mistake

 

https://www.thebalance.com/can-bank-make-deposits-to-wrong-account-2386128

 

 

On the other hand using the game Monopoly as a legal citation  was downright hilarious.  

 

 

Now, could we please resume raging about the fact that WG has made it too easy to get ARP ships by the people that already have them, but want to hang on to the free camo they got through an error on WGs part. 

 

You're right, I reckoned incorrectly.

 

And no, we can't go back to raging about the ARP missions. That's just a tempest in a teacup—and so is this issue, really.

[Happy668]

 

If you notice before money is exchanged, then yes. But if you realize later that they overcharged you, they not only have to pay you back the difference, but depending on state law, they also have to give you extra up to a set amount if it is less. For example, here in Michigan, if you buy an item that is tagged for $50, and when the cashier rings it up it comes up $52.50 and then you pay for it before you notice the error, the store you bought the item from must pay you $5 in recompense even though the difference was only $2.50.

 

that's not what i am talking about, lets say amazon marked price of an iphone 7 wrong as $10 each, you placed an order buying 8 of them, paid with credit card, 5 hours later amazon found out price is wrong, they can void your order of 8 iphones, there's nothing you can do about it

[Takamachi_Nanoha_sg]

I'd glad if they allow us to keep it. But I'm ok if they taking it away.

 

As this is not fair to those paid for it

[Super_Dreadnought]

I'm okay if they take away the accidental free camos. It's not like the affected players paid, or deserved them in the first place. It's also unfair to those who did pay to not fix this accidental mass camo handout.

 

Imho those with the free permanent camos should just use them while they can, and treat it as a nice temporary bonus.

 

Oh well at least that makes my decision on whether to keep Hatsuharu after unlocking Shiratsuyu much easier to decide.

[Goodwood_Alpha]

that's not what i am talking about, lets say amazon marked price of an iphone 7 wrong as $10 each, you placed an order buying 8 of them, paid with credit card, 5 hours later amazon found out price is wrong, they can void your order of 8 iphones, there's nothing you can do about it

 

That's certainly true, but I'm not sure it's the same thing as this situation, or the one that I cited.

[Wombatmetal]

 

There's a reason there is a Monopoly chance card that says "Bank error in your favor, collect $200." That's U.S. law. And as I said, I'm not too passionate either way, but I do feel obligated to state the facts as I understand them. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. But ultimately there's little I can do about it myself.

 

It's an interesting case, to be sure.

 

The laws are really ambiguous about the value of digital assets. Not arguing with your facts, but courts have not ruled on whether you can own a virtual thing. 

[Deputy276]

 

You're right, I reckoned incorrectly.

 

And no, we can't go back to raging about the ARP missions. That's just a tempest in a teacup—and so is this issue, really.

 

Wait a minute. Did they give away more ships? USS Tempest and USS Teacup? I never heard about that. Can I get some kind of monetary compensation?

[Tekina_]

I'm not sure these laws would even apply to begin with. I mean it's not like they charged the people who got these camos for free and digital property is rather shaky to begin with.

[Goodwood_Alpha]

 

The laws are really ambiguous about the value of digital assets. Not arguing with your facts, but courts have not ruled on whether you can own a virtual thing. 

 

I'm not sure these laws would even apply to begin with. I mean it's not like they charged the people who got these camos for free and digital property is rather shaky to begin with.

 

Definitely good points.

 

All of this would, I'm sure, make for a fascinating study in case law and the application of digital rights, but only for people with actual law degrees.

[Super_Dreadnought]

It's under section 7 of the EULA. When we signed on, we agreed that all material related to the game belongs to Wargaming. They can do as they please with our accounts because we already said yes before we could start playing.

[Mulletproof]

It's under section 7 of the EULA. When we signed on, we agreed that all material related to the game belongs to Wargaming. They can do as they please with our accounts because we already said yes before we could start playing.

 

Up to and including nerf property that you paid real cash for and is technically yours for any reason they see fit.

The people who don't think Wargaming can't/won't take their camo back must not have been around for the Mermansk/Humble Bundle incident here.

 

Google it. You might find it enlightening

[IKU19]

 

Wow, that's real shady.

 

Even if they did mess up, it's like giving a free gift yknow.. compensation for taking away our ships and then taking it away.

 

WG seriously.. wth.

 

If they didn't remove it I want a refund on my Kagero camo.

[atPrick__]

lol @ inconvenience

 

they accidentally gave them to us and now they will have to go through every account to remove them. The only way it is a inconvenience is for them.

 

Seems petty, if anything the Camos would have given players a reason to play these new and for the most part poor ships....

[JCC45]

 

they accidentally gave them to us and now they will have to go through every account to remove them. The only way it is a inconvenience is for them.

 

Seems petty, if anything the Camos would have given players a reason to play these new and for the most part poor ships....

 

Not to someone who paid 4,000 doubloons it doesn't.  That is the equivalent of $19.28 USD or $26.63 CDN. in real money.

[Ajax_the_Great1]

this goes against any consumer outfit I've been a part of - you eat your mistakes, you don't take them back. Just saying, no big deal.

 

In the Army, if they give you more money than you're supposed to get, you better not spend it. They always take it back.