I Hope This Isn't True...

[TenguBlade]

But, for those of you who want Missouri...

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This is disappointing to say the least.

[SubTender_Taigei]

Ikr it's absurd that we have to pay 1 credit for it! I could do so much more with 1 credit than buy an Iowa clone!

[yashma]

Ouch...

[HowitzerBlitzer]

The commander will make up for it.

[AVR_Project]

I calculate $157.76 USD to transfer that much ship XP to free XP.  That's given the current state of 25/doubloon xfer.

Will need 32,000 Doubloons

...

Keep your eye out for those 35xp/doubloon specials...  Big savings !!!

 

[IronWolfV]

800,000. Yeah PASS.

[Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Chokai]

Ha. Haha. No. Not paying that. 100k free xp was steep for me, as I never buy it and only hoard what I can get. 200-400 was unimaginable. This. No.

[the_majestic_eagle]

lord, someone needs to smack some sense into those fools, ain't worth it i'll tell you right now 

[MidnightShamalan]

yeah, i think it's pretty clear that they never intended to give it away for free. but even so.. that seems over the top.

 

disappointing.

[AVR_Project]

$160 to me is the price of a couple dinner dates.

It's a tier 9 for crying out loud.

I could free XP my way to an A-Hull Iowa right now for $29 in Doubloons.  However, this Missouri is the top hull with everything researched... and it is different (1950s).

A newbie can't buy one.

There might be a special transfer discount deal,  50 XP/doubloon would knock the price down to $80.  These things happen.

 

[PelicanHazard]

Yeah, no. I was willing to dump all the doubloons I still have to convert XP (which would have given me about ~300k) because I already had the doubloons and why not? But I'm not buying more just to get a premium Iowa that I already ground out (with permaflage!).

[TenguBlade]

Ikr it's absurd that we have to pay 1 credit for it! I could do so much more with 1 credit than buy an Iowa clone!

The cost isn't the reason why I'm upset.

 

Currently, Missouri has 700 less HP (not really relevant), 3 knots less speed, and 5 seconds longer rudder shift than Iowa's top configuration, with all other stats being the same except AA, which I crunched numbers on below.  While the AA is different and that's okay by me, I at least expected that Missouri wouldn't be outright worse than her sister.  Iowa already struggles at doing anything, even bow-oning, because of her mediocre belt, high citadel, and barely-adequate maneuverability.  You have to be a good captain - I am not - with a keen sense of danger and situational awareness to make sure that none of those flaws cost you in battle.  From stats so far, Missouri eliminates a lot of utility that Iowa had by making her slower (Amagi can do the job just fine, and Montana better, if 30 knots is adequate) and nerfing her rudder shift (can't angle as well no matter how good your reflexes are or how far in advance you predict someone).  And the thicker frontal bulkhead doesn't mean jack at any ranges where being citadeled through the front was a problem; high-tier BB and CA shells simply have too much penetrating power at close range for any amount of armor to fully stop.

 

Missouri has an AA complement of 20 x 5"/38s, 80 x 40mm Bofors, and 29 x Oerlikons to Iowa C's 20 x 5"/38s, 76 x 40mm Bofors, and 64 x Oerlikons.  This puts Missouri's AA DPS at 183/568/684 at 5km/3.6km/2km compared to Iowa's 183/549/785 at the same ranges.  So one additional quad Bofors mount at the cost of 35 Oerlikon mounts; a tradeoff of projecting 19 more DPS at Bofors range and 101 less at Oerlikon close range.  Still formidable against planes, but she loses a bit of close-range bite; in my experience, that is where the T10 planes start falling fastest, and it will definitely be noticeable even if the net difference for the CV is just losing less aircraft on the retreat.

[MWest9999]

$160 to me is the price of a couple dinner dates.

It's a tier 9 for crying out loud.

I could free XP my way to an A-Hull Iowa right now for $29 in Doubloons.  However, this Missouri is the top hull with everything researched... and it is different (1950s).

A newbie can't buy one.

There might be a special transfer discount deal,  50 XP/doubloon would knock the price down to $80.  These things happen.

 

 

Its not really Hull C Iowa. Its really hull A/B rudder shift with hull C-esque AA. It is down HP (not by much) as well. Bit steep for 800k FreeXP. Only way it would be even worth considering is if the front bulkhead is thick enough to stop cits.

 

Edit: ninja'd by Tengu lol.

[fish_Jones]

Currently, Missouri has 700 less HP (not really relevant), 3 knots less speed, and 5 seconds longer rudder shift than Iowa's top configuration, with all other stats being the same except AA, which I crunched numbers on below.  While the AA is different and that's okay by me, I at least expected that Missouri wouldn't be worse than Iowa.

My guess is that the speed and maneuverability is gonna be the price to pay for more armor.

 

That said, if I thought the Missouri was out of reach for me before, it's absolutely impossible now. Depending on whether they give me 20 years to collect xp anyway.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

Going by WoWS Wiki, to go from Tier I Erie and research a Stock Iowa with no other modules along the way and only doing the researching the hulls, is 593,070 XPs.  I could be off so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Also, this isn't official info yet.  Is the number high in the picture?  Hell yeah it is.  But again, it's not official.

[DukeRust]

$160 to me is the price of a couple dinner dates.

 

However, this Missouri is the top hull with everything researched... 

 

A newbie can't buy one.

 

There might be a special transfer discount deal,  50 XP/doubloon would knock the price down to $80.  These things happen.

 

-$160 is also like three AAA computer game titles.

-It's top researched but its stats are worse than an Iowa in speed, turning (bad), AA, and slightly in health.

-Who cares if a noob can/can't do something? A noob can't also come to my apartment and set my wallet on fire.

-I can see a discount happening. But the ginormous amount of xp still would be the same.

 

[TenguBlade]

My guess is that the speed and maneuverability is gonna be the price to pay for more armor.

 

That said, if I thought the Missouri was out of reach for me before, it's absolutely impossible now.

Its not really Hull C Iowa. Its really hull A/B rudder shift with hull C-esque AA. It is down HP (not by much) as well. Bit steep for 800k FreeXP. Only way it would be even worth considering is if the front bulkhead is thick enough to stop cits.

 

Edit: ninja'd by Tengu lol.

*sigh*

 

Let me say it again.  The thicker forward bulkhead does not mean anything.  Stop holding out your hopes on it; cruiser and BB shells have too much penetration power at high-tier for any amount of armor to make a difference at the ranges where bow-cits on Iowa were a problem.  At mid-range against a Yamato, maybe it will be the difference between a cit and normal pen.  But bow-citting was always an issue most obvious at closer ranges.  Other than that, Missouri has no better armor than her in-game sister.

 

Don't believe me about the frontal bulkhead?  Put a Montana in training room and aim only for the thickest part of the armor belt.  At any range and angle you score a penetration, Iowa gets citadeled from the front.  Obviously, this doesn't factor in the outer hull and overmatch, but this should give you a general idea of how effective that 370mm actually is against incoming fire.  Consider on top of that that the outer hull's armor can be most easily overcome at close ranges.

[MWest9999]

*sigh*

 

Let me say it again.  The thicker forward bulkhead does not mean anything.  Stop holding out your hopes on it; cruiser and BB shells have too much penetration power at high-tier for any amount of armor to make a difference at the ranges where bow-cits on Iowa were a problem.  At mid-range against a Yamato, maybe it will be the difference between a cit and normal pen.  But bow-citting was always an issue most obvious at closer ranges.

 

Other than that, Missouri has no better armor than her in-game sister.

 

So essentially its a gimped hull B/C Iowa with Montana speed, a minimal armor profile difference that isn't worth much (assuming it happens) AND WG wants 800k freeXP for it...yeah...NO. Gonna need to throw more consumables on this thing than the Belfast to even get a sniff of that WG.

[TenguBlade]

So essentially its a gimped hull B/C Iowa with Montana speed, a minimal armor profile difference that isn't worth much (assuming it happens) AND WG wants 800k freeXP for it...yeah...NO. Gonna need to throw more consumables on this thing than the Belfast to even get a sniff of that WG.

We haven't seen the stats of her main battery.  The designation is the same as Iowa's, however as of now there still hope that WG will buff her main guns to compensate for the weaker maneuverability.  There is also still hope that WG will lower her citadel compared to her sister, though I doubt this will happen as Sub_Octavian has stated they are happy with where it is on Iowa presently.

 

That being said though, Missouri is, via a very roundabout route, obtainable for free.  WG probably had that in mind when they crafted the numbers.

[DukeRust]

This is a major release. They recorded at least 2 "commercials" about this one ship. If it remains 800K, using my crystal ball, I would say only a small handful of people get it. (Not literally a handful, but a tiny fraction of the numbers who bought a Tirpitz or Belfast.)

[Venom81]

Ikr it's absurd that we have to pay 1 credit for it! I could do so much more with 1 credit than buy an Iowa clone!

 

 

 

I'm [edited]outraged.  Not cool u [edited].

 

[MWest9999]

We haven't seen the stats of her main battery.  The designation is the same as Iowa's, however as of now there still hope that WG will buff her main guns to compensate for the weaker maneuverability.  There is also still hope that WG will lower her citadel compared to her sister, though I doubt this will happen as Sub_Octavian has stated they are happy with where it is on Iowa presently.

 

That being said though, Missouri is, via a very roundabout route, obtainable for free.  WG probably had that in mind when they crafted the numbers.

 

Well they won't mess with the muzzle velocity or shell arcs. They would have to give it NorCal or even Yammy sigma values to make it worthwhile otherwise, or fudge the penetration numbers, but they don't even have postwar shells to do this with as new AP shells weren't developed. And the Iowa is free also. This feels like a collector's trophy at best.

[fish_Jones]

*sigh*

 

Let me say it again.  The thicker forward bulkhead does not mean anything.  Stop holding out your hopes on it; cruiser and BB shells have too much penetration power at high-tier for any amount of armor to make a difference at the ranges where bow-cits on Iowa were a problem.  At mid-range against a Yamato, maybe it will be the difference between a cit and normal pen.  But bow-citting was always an issue most obvious at closer ranges.  Other than that, Missouri has no better armor than her in-game sister.

 

Don't believe me about the frontal bulkhead?  Put a Montana in training room and aim only for the thickest part of the armor belt.  At any range and angle you score a penetration, Iowa gets citadeled from the front.  Obviously, this doesn't factor in the outer hull and overmatch, but this should give you a general idea of how effective that 370mm actually is against incoming fire.  Consider on top of that that the outer hull's armor can be most easily overcome at close ranges.

I didn't say it was a fair price to pay, just that it was the price. Probably won't mean much (unless they buff other areas of the armor), other than maybe being able to have a more bow focused angle to a Yamato without getting citadeled. You'll still get regular penetrations yes, and you can't just go bow on to a Yamato, but maybe if you make a mistake you'll only be punished with a few pens instead of massive citadels.

 

That said, I'm holding no hopes as to it's increased survivability against anything. Partly because I have no hope to get it, and partly because I didn't like the Iowa. It'd be nice if I could get some free eye-candy in the Missouri, but I think my free xp will be better spent literally anywhere else.

[TenguBlade]

I didn't say it was a fair price to pay, just that it was the price. Probably won't mean much (unless they buff other areas of the armor), other than maybe being able to have a more bow focused angle to a Yamato without getting citadeled. You'll still get regular penetrations yes, and you can't just go bow on to a Yamato, but maybe if you make a mistake you'll only be punished with a few pens instead of massive citadels.

 

That said, I'm holding no hopes as to it's increased survivability against anything. Partly because I have no hope to get it, and partly because I didn't like the Iowa. It'd be nice if I could get some free eye-candy in the Missouri, but I think my free xp will be better spent literally anywhere else.

No, at roughly 15km and below you will still eat citadels through the bow from a Yamato.  Read the armor penetration test I outlined: if you can pen a broadside Montana at a range, then you will citpen Iowa through the frontal bulkhead at that same range no problem.

[RevTKS]

I had braced myself for a 500k XP price, just in case.

 

800k? That's beyond even my worst case guess. I hope that isn't the number they are going with.