1,891 [-OSG-] Elo_J_Fudpucker Members 2,542 posts 16,594 battles Report post #1 Posted November 5, 2016 I have been on the WoWS site and game for about 3 months... I am an avergae, if not slightly below avg player. I have have stayed with BB's, the DD's are too twitchy for me. I have enjoyed the game, but... and yeah, there is abut... the lack of quality team play is gaining in influence on me. Sure it isfunnto blow stuff up, but for me I would like more quality team play. I am a premium player..so far...but that is likely going to change next week when that ptime runs out. I need more opportunities for quality team play.... the constant lack of communication means teams bumble around and wins are more by chance than anything else.... no noe fills their roles and players scatter all over the map.... I have played recreational/competitive volleyball, where team play is the way it is done.. people communicate, each team tries to run good plays to beat the other, and everyone appreciates good plays, be they on your own side or the other. WoWS is getting old fast... 3 months in and I am close to having had enough. WG... I need better team play to stay. I have spent some $$ on the game, and would spend more were there to be an effort to facilitate better team play. I think there is a lot you could do to create this form of play. There are suggestions on the boards that could help shape it all. I have a few ideas... but yeah... unless you really want to hear them.. I won't spend the time on it... it is a big world and most seem happy with the game as is... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55 [NLL] RustyFMJ Members 151 posts 9,695 battles Report post #2 Posted November 5, 2016 Teamplay cannot be patched into a game. If the players suck at teamplay you'll have to live with it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
136 D_I_P_Scout Members 808 posts 9,436 battles Report post #3 Posted November 5, 2016 Quality team play is difficult in random battles. Look into team battles and there are teams/clans out there that recruit and even assist and train their members. You just cannot get a high level of coordination in random. The type/chat is clunky and not fast enough to keep up with the flow of battle. I have a core group of guys I run in division with. I am not currently on any team. I agree that getting into complete fail teams several times in a row is frustrating. Keep in mind WG is working on adding clan functions to the game which allows your clan that you join run battle with member only or battle other clans. I am thinking the level of coordination will soar when this happens. If this is your preference look for that to happen then get back into the game. Unitl then enjoy the PRACTICE that randoms give you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,126 Shadowrigger1 Members 4,533 posts 18,504 battles Report post #4 Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) Edited November 5, 2016 by Shadowrigger1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
285 KyourakuShunsui Beta Testers 1,180 posts 7,853 battles Report post #5 Posted November 5, 2016 Team battles (when they return) or clans is probably what you should focus on. Asking for good team play in random battles just isn't going to happen most of the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,799 IronWolfV Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 30,523 posts 6,106 battles Report post #6 Posted November 5, 2016 Trying to get team play in ranked, is like trying to herd cats, good luck. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
100 RAF_Recovery Beta Testers 367 posts 2,515 battles Report post #7 Posted November 5, 2016 I have been on the WoWS site and game for about 3 months... I am an avergae, if not slightly below avg player. I have have stayed with BB's, the DD's are too twitchy for me. I have enjoyed the game, but... and yeah, there is abut... the lack of quality team play is gaining in influence on me. Sure it isfunnto blow stuff up, but for me I would like more quality team play. I am a premium player..so far...but that is likely going to change next week when that ptime runs out. I need more opportunities for quality team play.... the constant lack of communication means teams bumble around and wins are more by chance than anything else.... no noe fills their roles and players scatter all over the map.... I have played recreational/competitive volleyball, where team play is the way it is done.. people communicate, each team tries to run good plays to beat the other, and everyone appreciates good plays, be they on your own side or the other. WoWS is getting old fast... 3 months in and I am close to having had enough. WG... I need better team play to stay. I have spent some $$ on the game, and would spend more were there to be an effort to facilitate better team play. I think there is a lot you could do to create this form of play. There are suggestions on the boards that could help shape it all. I have a few ideas... but yeah... unless you really want to hear them.. I won't spend the time on it... it is a big world and most seem happy with the game as is... I can tell you from experience that going standard account will not improve anything. It will ruin your MM something they still deny but I have proof of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,799 IronWolfV Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 30,523 posts 6,106 battles Report post #8 Posted November 5, 2016 I can tell you from experience that going standard account will not improve anything. It will ruin your MM something they still deny but I have proof of. And this proof is? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
643 [KMS3] Ghost_Raven75 Members 1,293 posts 7,929 battles Report post #9 Posted November 5, 2016 The problem is that the game has been overrun by children who don't care about anything but themselves. They don't know what teamwork means. Its been getting worse for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
483 ZombieFlanders Beta Testers 2,327 posts 3,235 battles Report post #10 Posted November 5, 2016 I can tell you from experience that going standard account will not improve anything. It will ruin your MM something they still deny but I have proof of. any evidence would be influenced by so many factors i doubt anyone could ever prove this...in my experience the MM is the same in WoT/WoWS no matter the account type after long periods of both. lots of bad, non cooperative, aloof etc players. just about every game is like this OP. when you throw together a bunch of random people getting them to work together is tough...especially in a country that values the individual as much as we do, everyone thinks their strategy/idea/goal is best and forget anyone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,144 [WOLFB] Thornir Members 2,906 posts 11,226 battles Report post #11 Posted November 5, 2016 The OP has never played WoT, apparently... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
201 [NEMO] Thraxian [NEMO] Members 823 posts 10,937 battles Report post #12 Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) Quality team play is difficult in random battles. Look into team battles and there are teams/clans out there that recruit and even assist and train their members. You just cannot get a high level of coordination in random. The type/chat is clunky and not fast enough to keep up with the flow of battle. I have a core group of guys I run in division with. I am not currently on any team. I agree that getting into complete fail teams several times in a row is frustrating. Keep in mind WG is working on adding clan functions to the game which allows your clan that you join run battle with member only or battle other clans. I am thinking the level of coordination will soar when this happens. If this is your preference look for that to happen then get back into the game. Unitl then enjoy the PRACTICE that randoms give you. Problem with that is then you start to get 3 player clan divs on one team, who are coordinating with teamspeak, who can (and usually do) run riot all over the enemy team... Happened in tanks, it'll happen here, too... Edited November 5, 2016 by Thraxian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,326 [MUDDX] CAPTMUDDXX Banned 8,144 posts 25,413 battles Report post #13 Posted November 5, 2016 Good team play is random and very rare so like most of the rest of us here for a long time just live with it and do your best whether your team is good or bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,173 Pope_Shizzle Members 3,229 posts 7,820 battles Report post #14 Posted November 5, 2016 Keep plugging away. The clan system is in beta and once its in place, it will be much easier to find and play with other similar minded people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,757 CylonRed Members 6,889 posts 14,875 battles Report post #15 Posted November 5, 2016 Teamplay cannot be patched into a game. If the players suck at teamplay you'll have to live with it. The above needs to be repeated.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
722 StoneRhino Members 3,256 posts 4,322 battles Report post #16 Posted November 5, 2016 The problem is more the zerg/counter zerg tactics that involve no pushing and punishes those who do push by them getting focus fired. It was a problem that I ran into at tier 6 when playing in tier 8 games. This style of play has since bled down into the lower tiers with the coming of the km bbs. It something that can not be addressed because it is based on players and not the game itself. Cowards will be cowards and the game rewards them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,055 [DAMP] Fodder4U In AlfaTesters, In AlfaTesters 2,688 posts 14,166 battles Report post #17 Posted November 5, 2016 It is what drew me to clan wars in WOT was organized team play and to get away from nothing but random battles with random players. I really hope with clans being introduced that some form of clan wars will come soon after and that might be the answer here for you OP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
964 [HINON] giovybez Members 3,375 posts 32,596 battles Report post #18 Posted November 5, 2016 Even more frustrating when you have contributed to a huge lead and then all of a sudden the team melts, literally blowing that lead within a minute or two. :-( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,414 yUPPatriots Members 3,929 posts 20,950 battles Report post #19 Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) It's the way of this playerbase and wg is having a great time taking $dvantage of it. Suckers. Edited November 5, 2016 by yUPPatriots Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
234 [TILLT] Barake [TILLT] Beta Testers 1,108 posts 6,666 battles Report post #20 Posted November 5, 2016 The problem is more the zerg/counter zerg tactics that involve no pushing and punishes those who do push by them getting focus fired. It was a problem that I ran into at tier 6 when playing in tier 8 games. This style of play has since bled down into the lower tiers with the coming of the km bbs. It something that can not be addressed because it is based on players and not the game itself. Cowards will be cowards and the game rewards them Would you describe yourself as courageous while you sit at a desk pushing keys to move your pixels around? What does courage have to do with team play in a computer game? Once we get clan wars going in this game where both sides have comms then we will see fleet actions. So looking forward to that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 DwarvenLord Members 11 posts 3,826 battles Report post #21 Posted November 5, 2016 There are 2 primary problems: The first is matchmaker. For years it has been terrible. It is better in warships than in tanks, but the 6 year olds that get mommy to buy them a ship and then proceed to make the game miserable for the rest of us aren't punished in any way. It doesn't seem that matchmaker tries to weight good players and diminish poor players, and then choose balanced teams. You ought to play during the day when school lets out. Boy howdy is that a clown show. The second is the servers. The NA servers host all the players from SA, so a good portion of your team probably can not speak your language. We ALL get sick of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,126 Shadowrigger1 Members 4,533 posts 18,504 battles Report post #22 Posted November 5, 2016 There are 2 primary problems: The first is matchmaker. For years it has been terrible. It is better in warships than in tanks, but the 6 year olds that get mommy to buy them a ship and then proceed to make the game miserable for the rest of us aren't punished in any way. It doesn't seem that matchmaker tries to weight good players and diminish poor players, and then choose balanced teams. You ought to play during the day when school lets out. Boy howdy is that a clown show. The second is the servers. The NA servers host all the players from SA, so a good portion of your team probably can not speak your language. We ALL get sick of it. Match maker can't make good teams when 85% of the gaming base is garbage no matter what tweaks you make to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 DwarvenLord Members 11 posts 3,826 battles Report post #23 Posted November 5, 2016 LOL, I can not argue with you, I was trying to give some of them the benefit of the doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,891 [-OSG-] Elo_J_Fudpucker Members 2,542 posts 16,594 battles Report post #24 Posted November 5, 2016 It's the way of this playerbase and wg is having a great time taking $dvantage of it. Suckers. The point of this post ..was to bring to the attention of WG, that right now, I am a paying customer, but that I soon will not be. I need more from them in terms of creating a team environment for me to be a paying customer... and I am thinking they want paying customers.... the game is great fun up to a point, and that point is likely at different places for people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,891 [-OSG-] Elo_J_Fudpucker Members 2,542 posts 16,594 battles Report post #25 Posted November 5, 2016 Match maker can't make good teams when 85% of the gaming base is garbage no matter what tweaks you make to it. I think the information is there to be able to "advance" team players to a different level in the game. By demonstrating over time that you work for the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
