Second US BB Line

[Boomax77]

I'd love to see a second US BB line, so here's my idea:

T3 - Delaware (slightly better SC, could be nerfed appropriately)

T4 - Florida (slightly worse Wyoming, 1 less turret could be compensated for by something in-game)

T5 - Nevada (slightly more modern New York, only 4 turrets, 2 triples 2 duals)

T6 - Pennsylvannia (Although we have the Arizona already, we'll get to see her stock config as well as WW2 config! Yay!)

T7 - Tennessee (More modern Pennsylvania, could get necessary buffs to take on T9'

T8 - South Dakota (1939-class, Massachusetts or Alabama as T8 premium to celebrate second BB line)

T9 - South Dakota (1920-class, although 12 16" guns is quite a lot for T9, she only goes 23 knots, whereas the Iowa goes 34. So in terms of speed she has a small nerf)

T10 - Tillman III (For those who don't know, the US had plans for "maximum battleships" in the 1910s. The most balanced of these I could find was the Tillman 3. Going 30 knots is on par with other T10s, and 12 16 inch guns are on par with the Montana and Curryworst. WG would have to play around with the secondaries and AA, but I'd imagine they could do that relatively easily, they literally invented some ships already.)

 

Links:

T3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware-class_battleship

T4 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida-class_battleship

T5 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada-class_battleship

T6 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania-class_battleship

T7 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee-class_battleship

T8 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota-class_battleship_(1939)

T9 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota-class_battleship_(1920)

T10 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_battleship

[Lert]

Not a bad list.

[Hurlbut]

Hmmm 1939 SD in same tier as the NC. Great! The Stout Lady can show off her stuff! XD

[OffShorePanda97]

But that South Dakota of the 1920s is complicated. It has weaker guns than Iowa(mark 7/ 50 cal)but she has 3 more of them. The SoDak is also a torp magnet at that speed. But not a bad list

[mobryan]

I like it, though I've read at various times that the Tillman's are off the table, since they were never intended as "serious combat designs, but were done as a political exercise." Not sure how that differs from the Moskva, but anyhow.

 

There are two more T10 options that are at least semi historical. One is the follow up design to the 1920's Sodak, same main guns, but in a bigger, faster, better armoured hull, and with up to 15 6"/53 DP guns in 5 turrets. Would also have mounted between 12-15 5"/25's and a bunch of quad 1.1" gun if it was ever built, but I would expect WG would just slather it with Bofors and call it good. A SHS could be used if it needs a little offensive buff, but I'm nonestly not sure if the loss in shell speed is worth it.

 

The other is a sketch plan for an American Yamato. Standard design, 8 18" guns, 2x4 AB-XY arrangement, probably 25 knots, 6 of those 6"/53 DP triple turrets and assorted other goodies. Visually, think about a Colorado on HGH, and you've got a good idea what it looks like.

 

Matt

 

 

[Gabriel_LXIX]

I wouldn't even bother with t9 and t10

 

Just have it merge back at Iowa

[SpeedingBus]

I am not sure we will get those lower tier ships probably going to split from Wyoming to next line.

[SCygnus]

Tennessee class at T7 though...

 

Colorado is already suffering so I can't see a marginally stronger New Mexico doing well at that level.  South Dakota, 1920, would be more contemporary with with the T7 KMS BB designs, if not a bit over gunned.

[mobryan]

Tennessee class at T7 though...

 

Colorado is already suffering so I can't see a marginally stronger New Mexico doing well at that level.  South Dakota, 1920, would be more contemporary with with the T7 KMS BB designs, if not a bit over gunned.

 

Colorado is doing well now, still under the stigma of prior performance.

 

The Tennessee class is more related to Colo than it is to the New Mex, and there is a good upgrade path for them. Buff the ship to ship combat with good sigma and dispersion, use the 1945 California hull as the top hull. That adds displacement (and therefore health), gives a massive buff to torpedo protection (total of 9' of blistering per side), reduces turning circle (more beam for the same length), and equips an AA suite comparable to a stock Iowa. (same amount of quad Bofors, 2 fewer 5"/38 mounts, but more than double the 20mm battery, 30 twins and 10 singles). That does take another knot off the top speed, but what you end up with is a true tanking BB, a defensive fortress with acceptable offensive power.

 

Matt

 

[SCygnus]

 

Colorado is doing well now, still under the stigma of prior performance.

 

The Tennessee class is more related to Colo than it is to the New Mex, and there is a good upgrade path for them. Buff the ship to ship combat with good sigma and dispersion, use the 1945 California hull as the top hull. That adds displacement (and therefore health), gives a massive buff to torpedo protection (total of 9' of blistering per side), reduces turning circle (more beam for the same length), and equips an AA suite comparable to a stock Iowa. (same amount of quad Bofors, 2 fewer 5"/38 mounts, but more than double the 20mm battery, 30 twins and 10 singles). That does take another knot off the top speed, but what you end up with is a true tanking BB, a defensive fortress with acceptable offensive power.

 

Matt

 

 

The thing is, Colorado is dead last (in spite of the buffs it got) among T7 BBs in:  Win Rate, Damage, XP, K/D, & Ship Kills per Match.  It is not even #1 in plane kills.  Colorado also has late war hulls (WV & MD) that would help, but does not receive.  WG seems unwilling to allow the USN to have the dual 127/38 mounts at T7 for some reason.  

 

I don't think TN or CA has the armor, speed, or secondaries to make 14" rifles usable at T7, unlike Scharenhorst, it just seems like it would lack the other features necessary to make up for being under-gunned.  They would fit well at T6 though.  It would be great to see a non-standard (Maximum Standard?) BB like the 1920 South Dakota at T7 to compete with the Scharenhorst and Gneiseneau.