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Can't imagine LWM making a mistake like this, but just read her review for the Perth, and she mentioned Commonwealth ships can't be used to train Royal navy crews (and vice versa).. I've been waiting since the game was announced for the Tribal class DD, (specifically HMCS Haida, which better end up as a premium..) but this means that if they do release it as a premium, it'll be a Commonwealth ship, so my Brit Captain won't work..

So does anyone know, (googled but couldn't find anything) how this is going to work?

Are ships like the Tribal Class DD's (used by the Royal Navy, Royal Canadian Navy, Royal Australian Navy) going to be in both trees? Or just one? Or is the Commonwealth ships going to be more of a premium only line consisting of variants of RN ships?

 

or have they said nothing at all about it..

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I don't think it was a mistake, but it is very disappointing. My question is will Commonwealth captains be usable on other commonwealth ships? Like Australian captains on Canadian ships? My guess, based on the Pan-Asain ships in no, which is even more disappointing.

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I've seen a few times that Commonwealth ships are going to have their own tree. Now I don't know if they're going to be placing the Tribal Class in with the RN tree or the Commonwealth tree. But if they're in the Commonwealth tree you're SoL with captain training or having a captain ready unless you buy a premium like Perth beforehand because the RN premiums will not work for Commonwealth ships.

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Yeah, Marketing wise; it does not appear to provide any value to the ships beyond collectors who need to have that HMAS ship.  Otherwise, just get a Leander, in the case of Perth.  Sure it might have some curiosities, but overall it is pretty similar.  Then again, it makes sense in that they just released Belfast, and they don't want to release two ships that compete with each other in sales at the same time.  Though I think they might be underestimating the number of people that would pull the trigger on a ~$20 product while never considering a ~$35 product.

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I've seen a few times that Commonwealth ships are going to have their own tree. Now I don't know if they're going to be placing the Tribal Class in with the RN tree or the Commonwealth tree. But if they're in the Commonwealth tree you're SoL with captain training or having a captain ready unless you buy a premium like Perth beforehand because the RN premiums will not work for Commonwealth ships.

 

Problem is, they're all going to be near clones of UK ships.  I'm not sure what the point is except pleasing collectors.

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Problem is, they're all going to be near clones of UK ships.  I'm not sure what the point is except pleasing collectors.

 

More than likely going to be like a Pan-Asian premium tree. But either way, captains from the RN won't be able to train Commonwealth ships and vise versa.

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Can't imagine LWM making a mistake like this, but just read her review for the Perth, and she mentioned Commonwealth ships can't be used to train Royal navy crews (and vice versa).. I've been waiting since the game was announced for the Tribal class DD, (specifically HMCS Haida, which better end up as a premium..) but this means that if they do release it as a premium, it'll be a Commonwealth ship, so my Brit Captain won't work..

So does anyone know, (googled but couldn't find anything) how this is going to work?

Are ships like the Tribal Class DD's (used by the Royal Navy, Royal Canadian Navy, Royal Australian Navy) going to be in both trees? Or just one? Or is the Commonwealth ships going to be more of a premium only line consisting of variants of RN ships?

 

or have they said nothing at all about it..

 

it is probily going to be a premium tech tree because the RAN and RCN just used American and British ships

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I don't think it was a mistake, but it is very disappointing. My question is will Commonwealth captains be usable on other commonwealth ships? Like Australian captains on Canadian ships? My guess, based on the Pan-Asain ships in no, which is even more disappointing.

Wait, what?

 

More than likely going to be like a Pan-Asian premium tree. But either way, captains from the RN won't be able to train Commonwealth ships and vise versa.

 

So am I wrong in assuming that Anshan and Lo Yang can swap commanders between each other? I thought that so long as it's one "navy" in-game, it can share commanders. The Commonwealth navies seem to have this unified status in-game, just like Imperial VMF & Soviet VMF, or Kriegsmarine/Reichsmarine/Kaiserliche Marine.

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Wait, what?

 

 

So am I wrong in assuming that Anshan and Lo Yang can swap commanders between each other? I thought that so long as it's one "navy" in-game, it can share commanders. The Commonwealth navies seem to have this unified status in-game, just like Imperial VMF & Soviet VMF, or Kriegsmarine/Reichsmarine/Kaiserliche Marine.

 

No you are correct they can be swapped between them, now do to different optimal captains skills whether you should is another argument entirely.

 

I am pretty disappointed with this move to separate the commonwealth and RN in game. The ships used buy the RAN and RCN were basically just copies of RN designs, they were often modified designs but the differences are not that substantial and would have little to no impact ingame.

 

This just feels like an attempt at a cashgrab to me. "Oh you want (insert RCN/RAN ship here)? And you also want a crew trainer for RN DDs/CLs? Well you gotta buy 2 ships then" 

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they should be in the RN tree. Canada was tied at the hip with Briton with all Canadian forces serving directly under British command in the war.

 

I doubt WG understands the depth of the connection between the two countries.

 

I don't mind the idea of a commonwealth tree that are cross trainer friendly but those same ships absolutely fall under the British flag for military purposes.

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I don't see a problem?

 

There's plenty of precedent for basically identical ships not being able to use a captain from another nation.

 

Omaha/Mumansk, Benson/Lo Yang (literally the same ship), Gnevny/Anshan....

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I don't see a problem?

 

There's plenty of precedent for basically identical ships not being able to use a captain from another nation.

 

Omaha/Mumansk, Benson/Lo Yang (literally the same ship), Gnevny/Anshan....

 

They're redundant, they have no training use, and are easily found in the standard tech tree.  Overall it just seems uninspired.  'It happened before', isn't a very good reason for anything.  It's up there with 'Tradition'.

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No you are correct they can be swapped between them, now do to different optimal captains skills whether you should is another argument entirely.

 

Ah, thank you. Assuming that's going to be the case for the Commonwealth tree (despite it being a tree which likely will consist of no actual lines), then that's good enough for me.

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As long as there is a Commonwealth regular ship tree by the end of 2017 I don't see a problem. Could be a really interesting and diverse "nation" for WoWs. Looking forward to it and hoping WG makes it happen.

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As long as there is a Commonwealth regular ship tree by the end of 2017 I don't see a problem. Could be a really interesting and diverse "nation" for WoWs. Looking forward to it and hoping WG makes it happen.

 

Diverse and the Commonwealth are not two things that go together. 

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Diverse and the Commonwealth are not two things that go together. 

 

Australia, New Zealand, Canada, India, South Africa.....

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Diverse and the Commonwealth are not two things that go together. 

 

Australia, New Zealand, Canada, India, South Africa.....

 

We're talking about navies, not people. Diverse means ship classes, not culture groups.

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The first thing I tried to do with stick Admiral Archibald "Ducklips" Shaw (my 18pt Warspite Captain) into the Perth.  It was a no-go.  The next thing I looked for was a gimmick on her camouflage that would provide some ready incentive to buy the ship despite her being counted as a separate nation.  Again, no-go.  I then approached my contacts at Wargaming asking if they knew if, like the Prinz Eugen, there might be a second camouflage option which would provide additional benefits.  They told me that they hadn't seen anything.  Things may change.  But at this stage, what you're getting with the Perth in her current iteration is an isolated ship within her own techtree.  This may end up being similar to Poland, with little hope of seeing a fleshed out tree to make these premiums worthwhile as trainers.  It may instead end up like Pan-Asia with multiple premiums falling under the same umbrella which allows you to switch between them.  I personally believe the latter to be true.  There are a lot of ideal premium ship candidates for the Commonwealth, including, but not limited to:

 

  • HMAS Australia -- This is a 203mm armed Heavy Cruiser of the British County-class.  This class is not presently in the game and would make a great inclusion in the Commonwealth tree.
  • HMCS Haida -- The ship every Canadian is clamouring for.  This is a Tribal-class Destroyer.  She served alongside the Blyskawica (how cool is that?).  Tribals were thrown into the thick of the fray throughout WWII.  The Haida is a museum ship and it's possible, like the Belfast, she may end up represented with her post-war layout rather than as she appeared in WWII.
  • HMCS Uganda -- A Ceylon-subclass of the Crown Colony-class Cruisers transferred from British to Canadian service.  Her history is mixed, including an unfortunate bit of mutiny.
  • HMNZS Achilles / INS Dehli -- I doubt we'll see her, which is a shame.  She's also a Leander-class, but she's famous for her involvement at the Battle of the River Platte.
  • HMNZS Leander -- Another Leander-class (actually THE Leander).  She has a rather storied history in WWII.  But again, it's another Leander-class and unlikely to make it in because of that.
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There's plenty of precedent for basically identical ships not being able to use a captain from another nation.

 

Omaha/Mumansk, Benson/Lo Yang (literally the same ship), Gnevny/Anshan....

For me it's less about the ship design and more about the utility. 

 

The Lo Yang and Anshan are pretty low utility, they train only captains for 'Pan Asia' which is just those two, and they have conflicting captain skill requirements. Only the strengths of the ships make them worthwhile. The fact that your PLAN captain can transfer to a ROCN ship is absurd. 

Murmansk trains RU CL/DD captains from a pretty low price point, and is a fine ship in and of itself.

Blyskawica is an orphan, but is really, really good.

Dunkerque - a French line is inevitable, train now and get ahead

 

 

Then we get the Perth, can only train a captain for the Commonwealth. If and when any further Commonwealth ships come, they will almost certainly be premiums, this combines with a ship which is not recommended for anything other than collecting in LWM's recent review. 

 

The fact that WG have said the Commonwealth will be split off because otherwise the RN will have too many premiums is disingenuous when currently the RU tree has 6 premium cruisers, including 2 at T5 without any issues. So there's clearly enough 'space'.

 

The fact that British captains can't be used in Australian ships, when Canadian captains will be able to (assuming Haida is released into the same Commonwealth tree) is pretty absurd. HMAS Australia (the County-class CA) had 2 RN captains. So there's more historic precedent for a Brit commanding an Australian boat than a ROC skipper defecting to the PROC.

 

 

If you could use a Brit I'd buy, as is...

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Australia, New Zealand, Canada, India, South Africa.....

 

In terms of gameplay the Commonwealth ships would be near identical clones of the Royal Navy ships. There's nothing diverse about that.

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So am I wrong in assuming that Anshan and Lo Yang can swap commanders between each other? I thought that so long as it's one "navy" in-game, it can share commanders. The Commonwealth navies seem to have this unified status in-game, just like Imperial VMF & Soviet VMF, or Kriegsmarine/Reichsmarine/Kaiserliche Marine.

 

With the Pan-Asain ships it makes total sense that the captains can't we switched, but with the Commonwealth it makes sense that they "should" be able too. I mean..its called the Commonwealth lol

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With the Pan-Asain ships it makes total sense that the captains can't we switched, but with the Commonwealth it makes sense that they "should" be able too. I mean..its called the Commonwealth lol

 

I wasn't asking about what makes sense, I was asking about how it actually works for the Pan-Asian ships. You implied that you cannot swap commanders between Lo Yang and Anshan because the game prevents it. That is what I was seeking clarification over, and (according to others) that was not correct.

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The first thing I tried to do with stick Admiral Archibald "Ducklips" Shaw (my 18pt Warspite Captain) into the Perth.  It was a no-go.  The next thing I looked for was a gimmick on her camouflage that would provide some ready incentive to buy the ship despite her being counted as a separate nation.  Again, no-go.  I then approached my contacts at Wargaming asking if they knew if, like the Prinz Eugen, there might be a second camouflage option which would provide additional benefits.  They told me that they hadn't seen anything.  Things may change.  But at this stage, what you're getting with the Perth in her current iteration is an isolated ship within her own techtree.  This may end up being similar to Poland, with little hope of seeing a fleshed out tree to make these premiums worthwhile as trainers.  It may instead end up like Pan-Asia with multiple premiums falling under the same umbrella which allows you to switch between them.  I personally believe the latter to be true.  There are a lot of ideal premium ship candidates for the Commonwealth, including, but not limited to:

 

  • HMAS Australia -- This is a 203mm armed Heavy Cruiser of the British County-class.  This class is not presently in the game and would make a great inclusion in the Commonwealth tree.
  • HMCS Haida -- The ship every Canadian is clamouring for.  This is a Tribal-class Destroyer.  She served alongside the Blyskawica (how cool is that?).  Tribals were thrown into the thick of the fray throughout WWII.  The Haida is a museum ship and it's possible, like the Belfast, she may end up represented with her post-war layout rather than as she appeared in WWII.
  • HMCS Uganda -- A Ceylon-subclass of the Crown Colony-class Cruisers transferred from British to Canadian service.  Her history is mixed, including an unfortunate bit of mutiny.
  • HMNZS Achilles / INS Dehli -- I doubt we'll see her, which is a shame.  She's also a Leander-class, but she's famous for her involvement at the Battle of the River Platte.
  • HMNZS Leander -- Another Leander-class (actually THE Leander).  She has a rather storied history in WWII.  But again, it's another Leander-class and unlikely to make it in because of that.

 

Ok, so I have read mixed reports (but sadly have neither ship to test it myself) on this, so some clarification would be great. The Captains in the Pan-Asian line are or swappable?  Doesn't make sense for a PRC captain to be able to captain a ROC ship..considering they have/are at war.

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Ok, so I have read mixed reports (but sadly have neither ship to test it myself) on this, so some clarification would be great. The Captains in the Pan-Asian line are or swappable?  Doesn't make sense for a PRC captain to be able to captain a ROC ship..considering they have/are at war.

They are swappable. 

 

The captain skills they need are conflicting, so it's not a good idea though, but it's completely doable. 

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Ok, so I have read mixed reports (but sadly have neither ship to test it myself) on this, so some clarification would be great. The Captains in the Pan-Asian line are or swappable?  Doesn't make sense for a PRC captain to be able to captain a ROC ship..considering they have/are at war.

 

The whole pan-asian line is sort of a fudge in terms of chronology.  So far all are post war vessels.  There were small navies in the minor navies of Asia during WWII, most ships did not exceed what we would consider small cruisers or large river boats.  Thailand's Thonburi comes to mind offhand, one of the larger, more modern units available to the region during WWII.  Sadly, it is somewhat imbalanced for introduction to any tier in game.  The game doesn't represent the need for coastal defense vessels very well (at all).

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