This just shouldn't happen

[IronMike11B4O]

Here is why the low tier Brit cruisers suck so bad. I was playing in a Bogatyr because it's my seal clubber of choice. Fire, citadel, and knocked out engine in one salvo from Bogatyr on a Caledon. It's why I quit playing them. That is really lame and I was the one dishing out the damage.

[Czevak]

Show broadside to anything = punishment.

 

Low tier especially has no armor, argument is lame.

[FogInvader]

Show broadside to anything = punishment.

 

Low tier especially has no armor, argument is lame.

 

tru that 

[IronMike11B4O]

That's just it he wasn't broadside he was slightly angled. So its a very valid argument.

[IronMike11B4O]

Oh and doing all said with HE on top of everything else.

[RipNuN2]

They are both quite different ships, the caledon for instance has torps ,more speed and maneuvering ability than the bogatyr. 

[HazeGrayUnderway]

Show broadside to anything = punishment.

 

Low tier especially has no armor, argument is lame.

 

The issue of low tier cruisers being vulnerable isn't anything new.  It's just RN CLs take that to the next level and DD-caliber weapons of 120mm, 127mm, 130mm, are citadeling these poor things with HE shells.

 

But that's nothing.

 

The REAL issue, is combining that poor armor with worthless AP and having no HE shells in compensation, is the real ball-breaker.  The AP performance of the Tier V and below RN CLs is laughable.  When you get to Tier VI, it's a night and day thing as the AP is magically better and the gunnery improves.  Previous tiers, you were throwing grass into the wind and your AP shells are spitballs against armor, on top of your own armor being vulnerable even to DD HE shells.

[Czevak]

 

The issue of low tier cruisers being vulnerable isn't anything new.  It's just RN CLs take that to the next level and DD-caliber weapons of 120mm, 127mm, 130mm, are citadeling these poor things with HE shells.

 

But that's nothing.

 

The REAL issue, is combining that poor armor with worthless AP and having no HE shells in compensation, is the real ball-breaker.  The AP performance of the Tier V and below RN CLs is laughable.  When you get to Tier VI, it's a night and day thing as the AP is magically better and the gunnery improves.  Previous tiers, you were throwing grass into the wind and your AP shells are spitballs against armor, on top of your own armor being vulnerable even to DD HE shells.

 

Citadel'd Nurnberg with Kamikaze plenty of times in the past.

 

Use smoke, they're called Light Cruisers for a reason.

[inktomi19d]

That's just it he wasn't broadside he was slightly angled. So its a very valid argument.

 

Most of the RN cruisers are a bit weaker when angled (just harder to hit). They have very thin hulls, so they are less likely to auto bounce things, but they tend to have exceedingly thin fore and aft citadel bulkheads too. What this means is that anything which does not auto-bounce is going to penetrate the citadel if it hits one of those front plates. There are 13mm sections of citadel on the fronts and rears of some ships, and most rounds that penetrate the hull will go through those at any angle.

 

Also, the RN citadels tend to have very thin roofs (6mm on some ships) so rounds that are able to penetrate the deck will go right through them.

 

The worst armored bits are hard to hit, but the chance is there, and it's greater when shooting from the front or rear.

 

RL RN ships had internal structure armored steering rooms, and armored decks that most models in game lack, which would have helped cover some of those holes. But the models in game have gaps in the citadels that anything which penetrated the hull will penetrate.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

 

Citadel'd Nurnberg with Kamikaze plenty of times in the past.

 

Use smoke, they're called Light Cruisers for a reason.

 

RN CLs are targets.

 

And you can't Citadel a DD.

 

Not to mention, smoking up, what are you going to do in that small spec of smoke?  Shoot at my Battleship with those low tier RN CL spitwads?  Come out for a torp run so I can citadel them from any angle, any shell?  Retreat to live again and shoot at me again with those AP spitwads against my armor?

[Czevak]

 

RN CLs are targets.

 

And you can't Citadel a DD.

 

Not to mention, smoking up, what are you going to do in that small spec of smoke?  Shoot at my Battleship with those low tier RN CL spitwads?  Come out for a torp run so I can citadel them from any angle, any shell?  Retreat to live again and shoot at me again with those AP spitwads against my armor?

 

On the contrary, RN CLs are not quite targets. How can that be? Well, they're so maneuverable that I find myself switching to another target.

 

Nurnberg is the Tier 6 German Cruiser.

 

Smoke at tier 6+ is amazing with RN CLs - if you position correctly.

 

You cannot citadel from any angle, it's usually pen damage.

[inktomi19d]

 

You cannot citadel from any angle, it's usually pen damage.

No, most RN CLs can be citadeled by anything that penetrates, from any angle, it's just not something you can plan to do. Several of them have 6mm or 13mm patches of citadel, and most rounds which are able to pen the hull will go through that at any angle. Those patches are just so small or angled so oddly that no amount of skill will help you hit them -- it just depends on where your rounds scatter to.

 

That's why the RN stuff occasionally gets 1-shotted, even without detonations, but it just doesn't happen predictably. There are holes in the armor on most of the line.

[Czevak]

No, most RN CLs can be citadeled by anything that penetrates, from any angle, it's just not something you can plan to do. Several of them have 6mm or 13mm patches of citadel, and most rounds which are able to pen the hull will go through that at any angle. Those patches are just so small or angled so oddly that no amount of skill will help you hit them -- it just depends on where your rounds scatter to.

 

That's why the RN stuff occasionally gets 1-shotted, even without detonations, but it just doesn't happen predictably. There are holes in the armor on most of the line.

 

False

 

RN CLs are squishy, but really their broadside is the multi-free citadel area.

 

Bow on - you will likely be penned but it's not likely to be citadeled.

[HMCS_Devilfish]

I dont play the Hermi that much anymore but this week took it out for a spin ... in 6 games got 8 citidels .. this never would have happened a few months .. somethings changed

[inktomi19d]

 

False

 

RN CLs are squishy, but really their broadside is the multi-free citadel area.

 

Bow on - you will likely be penned but it's not likely to be citadeled.

 

Not likely, but it happens, and those spots that aren't armored really aren't armored. It doesn't take multiple citadels. And if you have a gun that can overmatch, the fore and aft are indeed easier to citadel.

 

The point is that there is no safe way for an RN cruiser to take hits. Angling only works to the extent that it presents a narrower target. Stuff like in the OP will happen to RN cruisers that let themselves take hits. They have everything which is "fun and engaging" about other cruisers, plus a bit more.