Leningrad does not look like a tier 7 ship

[gloom13]

Leningrad seems like it should be a much lower tier ship, its clearly an earlier design - terrible turret arrangement, guns with open back gunshields instead of closed turrets. Sims looks like a newer ship by a decade or more, it has a nice radar on it. Leningrad looks more inter war design, way closer to ww1.

 

(Just to be clear this is about -appearance- not about in game stats/performance which are arbitrary numbers)

 

I wonder why this ship was chosen to be premium tier 7 and not lets say tier 5.

[Takamachi_Nanoha_sg]

If you are saying the exterior look or the ship design, well I agree

[Battlecruiser_Amagi]

Appearance don't matter, performance does

 

[gloom13]

If you are saying the exterior look or the ship design

 

Appearance only. Performance and numbers are phenomenal, and don't match appearance.

[Nuk_]

I agree, let's put LeninGod at tier 5

 

[Ajax_the_Great1]

It's Russian, so therefor its better than it should be, like the Murmansk.

[Axonn]

Well in my opinion, yea, she does suit T7 really well, all her specs are meant to be played as a T7. Her torps on one hand seems more around T8-ish bcuz of how OP/fast they really are. 

 

[Komrade_Rylo]

Well to be honest all the Russian dds look like prewar ships

[Lert]

Are you seriously suggesting ships should be tiered on their appearance?

[Eisennagel]

Leningrad seems like it should be a much lower tier ship, its clearly an earlier design - terrible turret arrangement, guns with open back gunshields instead of closed turrets. Sims looks like a newer ship by a decade or more, it has a nice radar on it. Leningrad looks more inter war design, way closer to ww1.

 

(Just to be clear this is about -appearance- not about in game stats/performance which are arbitrary numbers)

 

I wonder why this ship was chosen to be premium tier 7 and not lets say tier 5.

 

 

First ship ever designed by the Soviet Union; brand new slate from the Tsarist era.  That's why its Project 1.  Gnevny is Project 7.   The project numbers have a meaningful sequence to them.

 

[pewpewpew42]

Are you seriously suggesting ships should be tiered on their appearance?

 

Well, the appearance does seem to suggest a time period, which is nominally their organization system to my knowledge.

[Raptor_alcor]

 

Well, the appearance does seem to suggest a time period, which is nominally their organization system to my knowledge.

 

Cleveland is a WWII cruiser, the pensacola was litterally the next ship in line after the omaha sooo yeah. 

[The_GoDDfather]

Let's all be honest. The Leningrad is a pretty ugly ship. Plays fantastic, but oh wow is it ugly.

[KillSwitch748]

No its working as intended.  According to WG designs, all Russian ships actually have shields and disrupters cannon, but those were not included to avoid upsetting the none Russians.  So unfortunately they have to unhistorically buff the ships to their intended historical levels and hide them beneath outdated exterior designs.  

[Locnload31]

I agree, let's put LeninGod at tier 5

 

Ultimate Seal Clubbing!!!

[LubzinNJ]

Well it is a Russian designed ship...very few Russian designed ships have looked good to me. Performance might be another thing but aesthetically even the modern ones look clunky and ugly.

[Lert]

Well, the appearance does seem to suggest a time period, which is nominally their organization system to my knowledge.

 

It never was and never has been. We have battleships from the 1910s going up against 1930s / 1940s era destroyers, with 1920s era cruisers in the mix. Combat performance based on WGs own algorithms for translating historical performance specs to in-game specs is the only metric used for tiering ships.

[LittleWhiteMouse]

 

Well, the appearance does seem to suggest a time period, which is nominally their organization system to my knowledge.

 

The Bogue is a mid WWII design modeled on a converted Freighter.  It sits at tier 5 alongside WWI era ships such as the Kongo-class, New York-class, and Konig-class Battleships.  Meanwhile, the destroyers are the Nicholas (a post WWI design), the Minekaze (same era), and Gnevny (late 1930s).  If you mouse over the ships and read their descriptions in port, they will give you their service period or time of their design. Here's the list of ships at tier 7 in chronological order.

 

• Nagato-class Battleship (1920)
• Colorado-class Battleship (1923)
• Myoko-class Cruiser (1929)
• Pensacola-class Cruiser (1930)
• Portland-class Cruiser Indianapolis (1932)
• Hatsuharu-class Destroyer (1933)
• Ranger-class Carrier (1934)
• Mahan-class Destroyer (1936)
• Leningrad-class Destroyer (1936)
• Shchors-class Cruiser (1937)
• Grom-class Destroyer Blyskawica (1937)
• Scharnhorst-class Battleship Gneisenau (1938)
• Scharnhorst-class Battleship (1939)
• Hiryu-class Carrier (1939)
• Sims-class Destroyer (1939)
• Kiev-class Destroyer (1939)
• Edinburgh-class Cruiser Belfast (1939)
• Fiji-class Cruiser (1940)
• Atlanta-class Cruiser (1941)
• Oakland-class Cruiser Flint (1944)
• Saipain-class Carrier (1946)

 

So you can see that this spans a time period of 26 years.  We have Battleships from 1920 to 1939 (19 years), Cruisers from 1929 to 1944 (15 years), Destroyers from 1933 to 1939 (6 years) and carriers from 1934 to 1946 (12 years).  When you look at all of the ships on a per-tier basis, you'll see huge disparities between the ages of various vessels.  Here's the year range for each tier with the oldest and earlier designs.

 

1. 1936 to 1941  (5 years)
2. 1900 to 1916  (16 years)
3. 1902 to 1922  (20 years)
4. 1909 to 1928  (19 years)
5. 1913 to 1942  (19 years)
6. 1915 to 1945  (30 years)
7. 1920 to 1946  (26 years)
8. 1919 to 1954  (35 years)
9. 1935 to 1951  (16 years)
10. 1936 to 1953 (17 years)

[renegadestatuz]

Leningrad seems like it should be a much lower tier ship, its clearly an earlier design - terrible turret arrangement, guns with open back gunshields instead of closed turrets. Sims looks like a newer ship by a decade or more, it has a nice radar on it. Leningrad looks more inter war design, way closer to ww1.

 

(Just to be clear this is about -appearance- not about in game stats/performance which are arbitrary numbers)

 

I wonder why this ship was chosen to be premium tier 7 and not lets say tier 5.

 

Blys has open back gunshields instead of closed turrets and she also sits at 7.

 

There are also line ships at tiers 7 and 8 that either have open back gunshields or open turrets.

[IceSerpen7]

Leningrad seems like it should be a much lower tier ship, its clearly an earlier design - terrible turret arrangement, guns with open back gunshields instead of closed turrets. Sims looks like a newer ship by a decade or more, it has a nice radar on it. Leningrad looks more inter war design, way closer to ww1.

 

(Just to be clear this is about -appearance- not about in game stats/performance which are arbitrary numbers)

 

I wonder why this ship was chosen to be premium tier 7 and not lets say tier 5.

 

They are both inter war designs, from the 30s. First ship of the Leningrad class was laid down in late 1932, first ship of Sims class was laid down in 1937. So, the designs are roughly 5 years apart.

 

[SandraSmiles]

Leningrad should have been given a profile similar to or even merely mirror Kiev, the absolute sexiest profile of all the boats WG designed for the game.

[Skpstr]

It's tricky too. Warships get refits that keep them relevant without altering the look of the ship much. Newer ships don't look a LOT different, because most of the aesthetic differences don't provide enough better performance to warrant building a new ship, when an already-existing ship can be refitted to almost that standard for a fraction of the cost and time. Also, better-performing ship systems aren't necessarily larger or heavier than what they replace, so even the oldest designs can benefit greatly from refits.

 

Tanks are different, weapon and other systems increase in size with effectiveness, so newer tanks were typically larger than what they replaced, and smaller tanks had less ability to be refitted.

 

Planes are more different still. The look and shape of a plane is directly tied to its speed, which is one of the biggest factors in aircraft performance.

 

 

[Cruiser_CleveAniki]

You could complain about pre-war US Cruisers at Tier 8 running into post-war Russian cruisers... which... may be a bit more of a legitimate complaint...

[atPrick__]

 Sims looks like a T5 imo, Indianapolis looks like a T9. What does it matter