Before you call your team or someone a pooper

[Komrade_Rylo]

We've all had those games, where everything goes wrong and we think we've done everything we possibly can to win. A lot of us like to call our team out and call them poop, or call out certain players a,d call them poopers. But have you ever thought for one second to consider who's on the other side of that monitor? Most people play this game to have fun (i do it to stet ped), so why do we call others out when they play poorly? Why not give them constructive feedback on what they could have done better, or even better, spend that time analyzing your own gameplay on what you could have done better. You never know who is in the other side of that monitor. What if it's someone who had a horrible day at work and just wants to hop in to try to brighten out their day? Or what if it's an old naval veteran who potentially served in one of these ships? You never know. (well for me I'm just a poor college student) I don't have the best stats in the game by any stretch of the imagination, but they aren't bad, and you will never ever see me call out a team in being poop. Why, because you never know what kind of poop the person on the other side of the monitor is dealing with. Some players get so caught up with the idea that it can't possibly be their teams fault for them losing (unicorns included) that they are willing to blindly insult others. We should work to make sure this game doesn't turn cancerous like tanks and learn to all be friends and poi together.

[Aduial]

This is true. But i can't stand people that play like a potato, and blame others for their mistakes ("Why didn't you support me when i charged the entire enemy team?" "Why didn't you shoot down all of those bombers before they hit me while i was sailing in a straight line?"  etc.).

[Mahrs]

I have worked to temper this inclination and try to say something productive instead.  Now, I am a sarcastic [edited]by nature, so this doesn't always work as well as it could.  My reasoning: I might see these folks in game again, leave on a high note, maybe we work together more effectively next time.  Maybe I try to say something constructive and they reply and I learn something, and I become a little better.  It's a big community, but not so big that I don't see the same names pop up in multiple matches.  I make mistakes, I figure other folks do too...it is just so damn hard to remember that when you're on fire and sinking, and they're not.  

[PTX_007_03C]

Well maybe people just want to win. In my case I just enjoy annoying people.

 

The thing is, this is a team game, the objective of the team is to win the game so they expect you to contribute at it in some point. If you just don't care about winning at all or feel that you don't have the skills required to support your team you should either play coop or search for a nice single player game to sail your little ship withou a single worry in the world, no one will bother you there.

 

Now if you feel it's your "right" to totally screw someone else experience by playing like a potato and not giving a damn about it, well you are actually right, you can do that. But don't complain when people call you out for playing like crap, because they are right as well. 

 

Oh and I'm talking about the "you play like crap" kind of call out, not the "your entire family should die" kind of thing, those are just people with mental issues. 

[Pirate_Badcat]

Agree with OP.

[SloppyJ0e]

We've all had those games, where everything goes wrong and we think we've done everything we possibly can to win. A lot of us like to call our team out and call them poop, or call out certain players a,d call them poopers. But have you ever thought for one second to consider who's on the other side of that monitor? Most people play this game to have fun (i do it to stet ped), so why do we call others out when they play poorly? Why not give them constructive feedback on what they could have done better, or even better, spend that time analyzing your own gameplay on what you could have done better. You never know who is in the other side of that monitor. What if it's someone who had a horrible day at work and just wants to hop in to try to brighten out their day? Or what if it's an old naval veteran who potentially served in one of these ships? You never know. (well for me I'm just a poor college student) I don't have the best stats in the game by any stretch of the imagination, but they aren't bad, and you will never ever see me call out a team in being poop. Why, because you never know what kind of poop the person on the other side of the monitor is dealing with. Some players get so caught up with the idea that it can't possibly be their teams fault for them losing (unicorns included) that they are willing to blindly insult others. We should work to make sure this game doesn't turn cancerous like tanks and learn to all be friends and poi together.

 

I'm always striving to treat others the way I would like to be treated.  It's not fun being on the receiving end of someone's pride, arrogance, hate, etc; especially when it's uncalled for.  Everyone has good games and bad games.  I will never understand why respect and decency go out the window because we have anonymity.  So many keyboard warriors and people crying out "but freedom of speech" never realizing that just because there's anonymity does not give you the right to treat other people like garbage.  I'm sorry for your bad experience.  It obviously affected you enough to come here and write something about it.  Hoping you have a better gaming experience in the future (though I feel this wish is futile given that we play a game over the internet).  When someone's raining on your parade, there's always the mute button.  All the "poop talkers" whether on my team or the red team earn their muting.  And thus far, my gaming experience has been better because of it.  

[Stratego89]

I have stopped to consider who is on the other side of the monitor. I do it every time. The answer, however- has always been the same.

 

A bloody idiot who just screwed over and royally pissed off 11 other people and will reap what they've sowed...

[Komrade_Rylo]

 

I'm always striving to treat others the way I would like to be treated.  It's not fun being on the receiving end of someone's pride, arrogance, hate, etc; especially when it's uncalled for.  Everyone has good games and bad games.  I will never understand why respect and decency go out the window because we have anonymity.  So many keyboard warriors and people crying out "but freedom of speech" never realizing that just because there's anonymity does not give you the right to treat other people like garbage.  I'm sorry for your bad experience.  It obviously affected you enough to come here and write something about it.  Hoping you have a better gaming experience in the future (though I feel this wish is futile given that we play a game over the internet).  When someone's raining on your parade, there's always the mute button.  All the "poop talkers" whether on my team or the red team earn their muting.  And thus far, my gaming experience has been better because of it.  

 

I just made this post because it's becoming an extremely common recurrance in my games and I hope this games chat doesn't turn into world of tanks chat, where it becomes so bad they remove all chat 

[CylonRed]

I like those that crap on the team but did nothing in chat to work up any kind of suggestions for a strategy...

[Soshi_Sone]

Some players get so caught up with the idea that it can't possibly be their teams fault for them losing (unicorns included) that they are willing to blindly insult others. We should work to make sure this game doesn't turn cancerous like tanks and learn to all be friends and poi together.

 

I agree about civility.  However, keep in mind this is an aggressive game that cultivates killer instincts.  Yes, we humans can separate reality from fantasy play; it is really just a "game".  But it is still a competitive game.  And it involves the virtual destruction of our peers.  So while I agree we gotta keep our cool, we also gotta remember that losing by destruction does not make a human happy.  Frustration.  Competition. Destruction.  In the midst of the loss, this can create emotional outburst that we would not normally experience.  So on the flip side, remember that those who scream and shout in chat are often blowing off steam.  Should they do it?  Probably not.  But if the recipient sees it for what it is, and avoids stoking it, or taking it personally, that is good advice as well.  

[Qweef_Facial]

I like those that crap on the team but did nothing in chat to work up any kind of suggestions for a strategy...

 

Oh you mean the plans that most of population somehow forget the second an enemy ship is spotted?

[QuantumEntropy]

Usually when i say constructive facts like you are a battleship shoot AP not HE at cruisers or help me cap cause ill defend you dd. they say [edited]you

i am fine with just blaming and reporting them

 

Most constructive facts got me chat banned or just reported cause i am a battleship and i should not push but just camp and snipe from 20km like them do

 

Story with that i push a cap with my Izumo ( got 2 solo caps that game ) a fletcher is like REPORT THE IZUMO PLS he's pushing the caps , u w8 m8? . i said i can take care of myself cause i am a good player , he started to make fun of me and saying he's a 40 yo veteran , ok m8 just watch your language cause he was swearing like a 10yo kid in a dark part of a neighborhood. 3 min later he misses a full torp salvo on a NC from 4km, i told him now what ? he didn't say squat

 

Also most funny when the team gathers at 1 cap and i say help me push another cap , i die cause nobody helps then you see the smart [edited]in chat you have no kill [edited]you

Guy that was rank 4 and sniping from 25km ^

 

My hope for the NA comunity is zero at least for most of them not all

[CylonRed]

 

Oh you mean the plans that most of population somehow forget the second an enemy ship is spotted?

 

It can mean pointing out ships for focus fire.  If a person is going to crap on a team but do NOTHING to help guide the team in any way - then they give up the "right" to whine about the team IMHO.

[Estimated_Prophet]

I have stopped to consider who is on the other side of the monitor. I do it every time. The answer, however- has always been the same.

 

A bloody idiot who just screwed over and royally pissed off 11 other people and will reap what they've sowed...

 

I agree about civility.  However, keep in mind this is an aggressive game that cultivates killer instincts.  Yes, we humans can separate reality from fantasy play; it is really just a "game".  But it is still a competitive game.  And it involves the virtual destruction of our peers.  So while I agree we gotta keep our cool, we also gotta remember that losing by destruction does not make a human happy.  Frustration.  Competition. Destruction.  In the midst of the loss, this can create emotional outburst that we would not normally experience.  So on the flip side, remember that those who scream and shout in chat are often blowing off steam.  Should they do it?  Probably not.  But if the recipient sees it for what it is, and avoids stoking it, or taking it personally, that is good advice as well.  

 

An issue I struggle with...

 

I even put a sign over my desktop monitor to remind myself to be civil;

 

'If you're not going to say something useful or nice in chat; then say NOTHING at all.'

 

My hope for the NA comunity is zero  at least for most of them not all

 

Partly for me is not noticing suggestions in chat, but when I do I'll respond; asked to go hunt an enemy CV after breaking through the enemy line in my Mutsuki, and trying to decide what to do next... Took a long time to get around to the possible hiding spots, but eventually found and sank the carrier.

 

For team play; I saw and enemy BB was backing away fro a cap, so I pushed in close based on my spotting range and easied into the cap just as he backed far enough away I wouldn't be spotted. Might have been more profitable just going after other enemy ships, and staying in the cap instead of running when I maybe should have got me sunk; but I secured the last uncaptured cap for a time, and that helped my team get ahead on points, and to eventually win the game.

[BossmanSlim]

I'm fine with people derping it up as long as it doesn't impact my game.  However, when they derp it up in a manner that impacts my fun, I feel I should have the ability to call them out on it (not berate or "cuss at").  In most cases I find that it doesn't matter because they have left the game and you're typing to nothing, so there is no one to offend.   I am also heavily inclined to report BBs as "playing poorly" because I am sick of them running away and sniping.

[Scots_Ronin]

Ah, the fine edged sword....

Yeah, we're here to compete, but also to enjoy ourselves.  So when someone kills that enjoyment by totally failing in the obvious, by not playing with and for the team, and by being reckless and foolish, and thus soon dead....yes, we get annoyed and even angry at this faceless, feckless idiot who just cost us the game.

I think we spew things we'd never really say to another human, but banging it out on a keyboard seems to work fine for far too many....

I also think that many of the worst offenders are late-teens and early-20's kids who don't know much better.  Or those with that mindset.  
I sometimes screw the pooch on what I wanted to do vice what ends up happening.  Or my plan to snag a cap runs athwart the enemy fleet attempting to do the same thing...and I'm aggressive, so turning back - while often the best idea (and only route to survive) - just doesn't work out....

Best thing to do is say "sorry guys - blew that one" and move on.

 

But we can - and should! - offer constructive input.  Maybe the potato doesn't know about angling.  Or about using HE on another BB if he is angled.  Or that AP hit citadels better when your broadside is exposed.  Cause and affect reasoning isn't big out there....
We need to help, not make the problem worse. Or make chat worse with our saltiness.  

Concur with OP.
 

[USMCGal]

We should not have to strive to treat each other with respect. That is where we are lost as a community and as a country.

 

 

Do people screw up yep they do. I can freely admit that I do screw up. But I am still learning. Been playing this game a year now and I am still learning a lot of the finer details. With a player base that is still fairly new to the game and learning the ropes be patient.

[Skpstr]

We should not have to strive to treat each other with respect. That is where we are lost as a community and as a country.

 

Maybe not respect, many people feel that needs to be earned. But at least civility.

 

I don't bother yelling at people who screw up, because I know that when I screw up, it's not because I'm actively trying to sabotage my team, I just lose awareness/don't know any better.

 

It may be a competitive format, but that just means people should try to win, to the best of their understanding as to how. It doesn't mean that everybody needs to be on the ball and sharp as a tack. I'm sure there's people who actively aren't trying to win, but, short of events that encourage that, I'm also sure they're few and far between.

[giovybez]

The worst I've done is call someone a potato in chat. I do get salty like everyone else when I'm working my butt off  and everyone around me are making silly mistakes, sailing in straight lines, broadsiding, ignoring caps, chasing ships off into the distance, refusing to shoot DDs, refusing to hunt ships sitting in the base cap, lone wolfing, over extending. Sometimes the tatering gets out of control. 

[USMCGal]

 

Maybe not respect, many people feel that needs to be earned. But at least civility.

 

That would be a good start. From what I have encountered on and off here there is a long way to go regarding even that.

[Skpstr]

 

That would be a good start. From what I have encountered on and off here there is a long way to go regarding even that.

 

Yup, just like there are people playing that are less than optimally competitive, there's people that are too competitive for the format of this game. But until we have ship games that cater to either of those groups, we're stuck with each other, and with those of us in between.

[remaimed_user]

 Everybody deserves respect. Until they don't.

[savagenation]

OP I agree with you 100%. with having said that, most good/great players have very little to do with the toxic chat.

[Seamus_44]

Basic rules I use:

1) have fun and remember it is a game

2) work to win, and support team

3) provide direction and appropriate leadership, based on the situation and players (ingrained as a Marine SGT) 

4) remember that each player is driving their own ship and has their own situation, skills , and ship configuration.  
 

[Estimated_Prophet]

(just to get the author's handle)

 

This line in in USMCGal's siggy, and must be where I saw it before;

 

Out of every 100 men, ten shouldn't even be there, Eighty are just targets, Nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle.

Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.

Hericletus, circa 500 BC

 

I think for WoWs it would be thus;

 

Out of every 12 players, one shouldn't even be there, eight are just targets, two are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle.

Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring his team the victory.

paraphrase - Hericletus, circa 500 BC

 

(-)

 

Competition is there, becoming upset over wasted opportunity is there, and sometimes the anger brought on by such can be difficult to control; I find I have to be constanly on guard against letting my own baser emotions take hold, and that it's better to just shut myself up and say nothing at all in chat.

 

 

Pointless as it is; thanks to doing so my karma stat is finally going up...