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  1. Hello there! Welcome to a post where I decide to stop doing single ADLAs on ships and instead try my best at guessing what a tech-tree line might look like. Here's my proposal for how we can create a battlecruiser and supercruiser line for the German Navy without too many changes. The biggest change would be the shifting of the Gneisenau to the Battlecruiser line with the Ersatz Yorck taking its place in the battleship line. German Kriegsmarine Tier BB BC CB 1 2 3 Nassau 4 Kaiser Moltke 5 Konig Derfflinger 6 Bayern Mackensen Deutschland 7 Ersatz Yorck Gneisenau P-class 8 Bismarck O41 Improved design Zenker 1928 CB design 9 Friedrich Der Große KW50 O-class 10 Großer Kurfürst O42 Improved design KW45 Supercruisers Flavour German Supercruisers have several defining features that should make them stand out: Bigger guns (compared to other supercruisers) Below average speed Large displacements Below average protection (compared to other supercruisers) Torpedoes They use the standard supercruiser dispersion formula & hitpoint formula (except for Deutschland). Tech-Tree Supercruisers Deutschland class Heavy Cruiser (T6) Survivability Displacement: 10,600t standard; 15,180t full (29,700hp standard; 38,500hp full) Armour: 80-50mm belt, 60mm bulkheads, 18+45-30mm deck, 45mm anti-torpedo bulkhead, 150-85mm turrets Weaponry Main Battery: 2x3 283mm/52 SK C/28 guns Reload: 20s (3) AP Shell: 300kg @910m/s (7600 damage) HE Shell: 300kg @910m/s (3200 damage, 20% fire) Traverse: 6 degrees per second (30s per 180 degrees) Secondary Battery: 8x1 150mm/55 SK C/28 guns / 3x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns Reload: 7.5-10s (6-8) / 3.3-4s (15-18) HE Shell: 45.3kg @875m/s (1700 damage, 8% fire) / 15.1kg @900m/s (1200 damage, 5% fire) Torpedo Battery: 2x4 533mm torpedoes Model: G7a T1 Warhead: 280kg (13700 damage, 227% flooding) Speed: 64kts @6km AA Battery: 3x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns (20dmg = 67dps @6km 90% acc), 8x1 40mm/56 Flak 28 guns (36dmg = 124dps @3.5km 90% acc), 6x4 20mm/65 C/38 cannons (42dmg = 145dps @2km 85% acc), 9x2 20mm/65 C/38 cannons (27dmg = 93dps @2km 85% acc) Mobility Speed: 28kts - 56,800hp Size: 186m long, 21.3m wide, 7.4m deep Consumables Standard Supercruiser Damage Control Standard Repair Party 2 Seaplanes Notes Deutschland as-built is A hull Includes 500mm torps as stock Admiral Scheer is B hull P-class class Heavy Cruiser (T7) Survivability Displacement: 22,145t standard; 25,689t full (43,750hp standard; 48,800hp full) Armour: 120-40mm belt, 60mm bulkheads, 20+100-70mm deck, 30mm anti-torpedo bulkhead, 170-80mm turrets Weaponry Main Battery: 2x3 283mm/54.5 SK C/34 guns Reload: 17s (3.5) AP Shell: 330kg @890m/s (7600 damage) HE Shell: 315kg @890m/s (3200 damage, 20% fire) Traverse: 6 degrees per second (30s per 180 degrees) Secondary Battery: 2x2 150mm/55 SK C/28 guns / 4x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns Reload: 7.5-10s (6-8) / 3.3-4s (15-18) HE Shell: 45.3kg @875m/s (1700 damage, 8% fire) / 15.1kg @900m/s (1200 damage, 5% fire) Torpedo Battery: 2x4 533mm torpedoes Model: G7a T1 Warhead: 280kg (13700 damage, 227% flooding) Speed: 64kts @6km AA Battery: 4x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns (26dmg = 90dps @6km 90% acc), 4x2 37mm SK C/30 guns (7dmg = 24dps @3.5km 90% acc), 10x2 20mm/65 C/38 cannons (30dmg = 103dps @2km 85% acc) Mobility Speed: 33kts - 163,000hp Size: 230m long, 26m wide, 7.2m deep Consumables Standard Supercruiser Damage Control Standard Repair Party 2 Seaplanes Notes Upgrades from 283mm/52 SK C/28 to 283mm/54.5 SK C/34 guns Requires AA refit Zenker's 1928 class Supercruiser (T8) Survivability Displacement: 23,450t standard; 28,200t full (45,600hp standard; 52,350hp full) Armour: 150mm belt, 80mm extended belt, 60mm bulkheads, 25+80mm deck, 30mm anti-torpedo bulkhead, 250-80mm turrets Weaponry Main Battery: 4x2 305mm/55 SK C/34 guns Reload: 24s (2.5) AP Shell: 415kg @890m/s (8600 damage) HE Shell: 405kg @890m/s (3500 damage, 23% fire) Traverse: 4 degrees per second (45s per 180 degrees) Secondary Battery: 3x3 150mm/55 SK C/28 guns / 2x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns Reload: 7.5-10s (6-8) / 3.3-4s (15-18) HE Shell: 45.3kg @875m/s (1700 damage, 8% fire) / 15.1kg @900m/s (1200 damage, 5% fire) Torpedo Battery: 2x3 533mm torpedoes Model: G7a T1 Warhead: 280kg (13700 damage, 227% flooding) Speed: 64kts @6km AA Battery: 2x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns (13dmg = 45dps @6km 90% acc), 4x2 37mm SK C/30 guns (7dmg = 24dps @3.5km 90% acc), 10x2 20mm/65 C/38 cannons (30dmg = 103dps @2km 85% acc) Mobility Speed: 34kts - 160,000hp Size: 216m long, 25m wide, 7.8m deep Consumables Standard Supercruiser Damage Control Standard Repair Party 2 Seaplanes Notes Admiral Zenker’s 1928 Battlecruiser design Improved design with additional armour Requires AA refit O class class Supercruiser (T9) Survivability Displacement: 29,364t standard; 35,968t full (54,000hp standard; 63,350hp full) Armour: 190mm belt, 110-80mm bulkheads, 50+80-20mm deck, 45mm anti-torpedo bulkhead, 210-50mm turrets Weaponry Main Battery: 3x2 380mm/52 SK C/34 guns Reload: 26s (2.3) AP Shell: 800kg @820m/s (11600 damage) HE Shell: 800kg @820m/s (4400 damage, 34% fire) Traverse: 4 degrees per second (45s per 180 degrees) Secondary Battery: 3x2 150mm/55 SK C/28 guns / 4x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns Reload: 7.5-10s (6-8) / 3.3-4s (15-18) HE Shell: 45.3kg @875m/s (1700 damage, 8% fire) / 15.1kg @900m/s (1200 damage, 5% fire) Torpedo Battery: 2x3 533mm torpedoes Model: G7a T1 Warhead: 280kg (13700 damage, 227% flooding) Speed: 64kts @6km AA Battery: 4x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns (26dmg = 90dps @6km 90% acc), 4x2 37mm SK C/30 guns (7dmg = 24dps @3.5km 90% acc), 10x2 20mm/65 C/38 cannons (30dmg = 103dps @2km 85% acc) Mobility Speed: 35kts - 176,000hp Size: 256m long, 30m wide, 8.02m deep Consumables Standard Supercruiser Damage Control Standard Repair Party 4 Seaplanes Notes Requires AA refit KW45 class class Supercruiser (T10) Survivability Displacement: 45,000t standard; t full (76,150hp standard; hp full) Armour: 200mm belt, 115mm deck, 30mm anti-torpedo bulkhead, 220-50mm turrets Weaponry Main Battery: 4x2 380mm/52 SK C/34 guns Reload: 26s (2.3) AP Shell: 800kg @820m/s (11600 damage) HE Shell: 800kg @820m/s (4400 damage, 34% fire) Traverse: 4 degrees per second (45s per 180 degrees) Secondary Battery: 4x3 150mm/60 SK C/25 guns / 4x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns Reload: 7.5-10s (6-8) / 3.3-4s (15-18) HE Shell: 45.5kg @960m/s (1700 damage, 8% fire) / 15.1kg @900m/s (1200 damage, 5% fire) Torpedo Battery: 2x4 533mm torpedoes Model: G7a T1 Warhead: 280kg (13700 damage, 227% flooding) Speed: 64kts @6km AA Battery: 4x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns (26dmg = 90dps @6km 90% acc), 4x2 37mm SK C/30 guns (14dmg = 48dps @3.5km 90% acc), 10x2 20mm/65 C/38 cannons (30dmg = 103dps @2km 85% acc) Mobility Speed: 37kts - 300,000hp Size: 300m long, 33m wide, 9m deep Consumables Standard Supercruiser Damage Control Standard Repair Party 4 Seaplanes Notes Requires AA refit Battlecruisers Flavour German Battlecruisers have several defining features that should make them stand out: Faster than battleship line Smaller displacement and slightly worse protection than battleship line Smaller & fewer guns than battleship line Faster-firing guns than battleship line Torpedoes from T7+ Tech-Tree Battlecruisers Moltke class Battlecruiser (T4) Survivability Displacement: 22,979t standard; 25,400t full (37,900hp standard; 40,800hp full) Armour: 270-100mm belt, 200-100mm bulkheads, 50mm deck, 30mm anti-torpedo bulkhead, 230-60mm turrets Weaponry Main Battery: 5x2 283mm/50 SK C/08 guns Reload: 24s (2.5) AP Shell: 302kg @880m/s (7400 damage) HE Shell: 302kg @880m/s (3200 damage, 19% fire) Traverse: 4 degrees per second (45s per 180 degrees) Secondary Battery: 12x1 150mm/45 SK C/09 guns / 12x1 88mm/45 SK C/13 guns Reload: 8.57s (7) / 4s (15) HE Shell: 45.3kg @835m/s (1800 damage, 10% fire) / 9kg @890m/s (1000 damage, 4% fire) AA Battery: 4x1 88mm/45 SK C/13 guns (4dmg = 13dps @4.6km 80% acc) Mobility Speed: 28kts - 85,000hp Size: 186m long, 29.4m wide, 9.2m deep Consumables Standard Damage Control Standard Repair Party Notes 25.5kts/52,000 hp engine as stock AA refit needed Derfflinger class Battlecruiser (T5) Survivability Displacement: 26,600t standard; 31,200t full (42,200hp standard; 47,650hp full) Armour: 300-100mm belt, 250-100mm bulkheads, 80mm deck, 45mm anti-torpedo bulkhead, 270-80mm turrets Weaponry Main Battery: 4x2 305mm/50 SK C/08 guns Reload: 24s (2.5) AP Shell: 415kg @850m/s (8400 damage) HE Shell: 405kg @855m/s (3500 damage, 23% fire) Traverse: 4 degrees per second (45s per 180 degrees) Secondary Battery: 14x1 150mm/45 SK C/09 guns / 8x1 88mm/45 SK C/13 guns Reload: 8.57s (7) / 4s (15) HE Shell: 45.3kg @835m/s (1800 damage, 10% fire) / 9kg @890m/s (1000 damage, 4% fire) AA Battery: 8x1 88mm/45 SK C/13 guns (8dmg = 26dps @4.6km 80% acc) Mobility Speed: 28kts - 80,000hp Size: 210m long, 29m wide, 9.56m deep Consumables Standard Damage Control Standard Repair Party Notes 26.5kts/63,000 hp engine as stock AA refit needed Mackensen class Battlecruiser (T6) Survivability Displacement: 31,000t standard; 35,300t full (47,450hp standard; 52,550hp full) Armour: 300-100mm belt, 250-100mm bulkheads, 80mm deck, 45mm anti-torpedo bulkhead, 320-110mm turrets Weaponry Main Battery: 4x2 350mm/45 SK C/14 guns Reload: 24s (2.5) AP Shell: 600kg @815m/s (9850 damage) HE Shell: 600kg @815m/s (4000 damage, 27% fire) Traverse: 4 degrees per second (45s per 180 degrees) Secondary Battery: 14x1 150mm/45 SK C/09 guns / 12x1 88mm/45 SK C/13 guns Reload: 8.57s (7) / 4s (15) HE Shell: 45.3kg @835m/s (1800 damage, 10% fire) / 9kg @890m/s (1000 damage, 4% fire) AA Battery: 8x1 88mm/45 SK C/13 guns (8dmg = 26dps @4.6km 80% acc) Mobility Speed: 28kts - 90,000hp Size: 223m long, 30.4m wide, 9.3m deep Consumables Standard Damage Control Standard Repair Party Notes Requires AA refit Gneisenau class Battlecruiser (T7) Just check what’s currently the T7 German BB O41 class Battlecruiser (T8) Survivability Displacement: 37,400t standard; 44,900t full (55,050hp standard; 63,950hp full) Armour: 300mm belt, 140-120mm bulkheads, 50+120-110mm deck, 45mm anti-torpedo bulkhead, 150-85mm turrets Weaponry Main Battery: 3x2 380mm/52 SK C/34 guns Reload: 24s (2.5) AP Shell: 800kg @820m/s (11600 damage) HE Shell: 800kg @820m/s (4400 damage, 34% fire) Traverse: 5 degrees per second (36s per 180 degrees) Secondary Battery: 3x2 150mm/55 SK C/28 guns / 4x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns Reload: 7.5-10s (6-8) / 3.3-4s (15-18) HE Shell: 45.3kg @875m/s (1700 damage, 8% fire) / 15.1kg @900m/s (1200 damage, 5% fire) Torpedo Battery: 2x3 533mm torpedoes Model: G7a T1 Warhead: 280kg (13700 damage, 227% flooding) Speed: 64kts @6km AA Battery: 4x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns (26dmg = 90dps @6km 80% acc), 4x2 37mm SK C/30 guns (7dmg = 24dps @3.5km 80% acc), 4x4 20mm/65 C/38 cannons (28dmg = 97dps @2km 75% acc), 4x1 20mm/65 C/38 cannons (10dmg = 34dps @2km 75% acc) Mobility Speed: 33.5kts - 220,000hp Size: 248m long, 33.5m wide, 9.9m deep Consumables Standard Damage Control Standard Repair Party 4 Seaplanes Speed Boost Notes O41 design Improved belt to 300mm 32kts/180,000hp engine as stock Requires AA refit KW50 class Battlecruiser (T9) Survivability Displacement: 50,000t standard; 57,000t full (70,000hp standard; 78,300hp full) Armour: 300mm belt, 115mm deck, 30mm anti-torpedo bulkhead, 220-50mm turrets Weaponry Main Battery: 4x2 380mm/52 SK C/34 guns Reload: 24s (2.5) AP Shell: 800kg @820m/s (11600 damage) HE Shell: 800kg @820m/s (4400 damage, 34% fire) Traverse: 5 degrees per second (36s per 180 degrees) Secondary Battery: 4x3 150mm/60 SK C/25 guns / 4x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns Reload: 7.5-10s (6-8) / 3.3-4s (15-18) HE Shell: 45.5kg @960m/s (1700 damage, 8% fire) / 15.1kg @900m/s (1200 damage, 5% fire) Torpedo Battery: 2x4 533mm torpedoes Model: G7a T1 Warhead: 280kg (13700 damage, 227% flooding) Speed: 64kts @6km AA Battery: 4x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns (26dmg = 90dps @6km 80% acc), 4x2 37mm SK C/30 guns (14dmg = 48dps @3.5km 80% acc), 10x2 20mm/65 C/38 cannons (30dmg = 103dps @2km 75% acc) Mobility Speed: 35kts - 300,000hp Size: 300m long, 36m wide, 9m deep Consumables Standard Damage Control Standard Repair Party 3 Seaplanes Speed Boost Notes Requires AA refit O42 class Battlecruiser (T10) Survivability Displacement: 57,700t standard; 67,700t full (79,150hp standard; 91,000hp full) Armour: 300mm belt, 150mm bulkheads, 50+150mm deck, 45mm anti-torpedo bulkhead, mm turrets Weaponry Main Battery: 4x2 406mm/52 SK C/34 guns Reload: 24s (2.5) AP Shell: 1030kg @810m/s (12700 damage) HE Shell: 1030kg @810m/s (4800 damage, 38% fire) Traverse: 5 degrees per second (36s per 180 degrees) Secondary Battery: 6x2 150mm/55 SK C/28 guns / 6x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns Reload: 7.5-10s (6-8) / 3.3-4s (15-18) HE Shell: 45.3kg @875m/s (1700 damage, 8% fire) / 15.1kg @900m/s (1200 damage, 5% fire) Torpedo Battery: 2x3 533mm torpedoes Model: G7a T1 Warhead: 280kg (13700 damage, 227% flooding) Speed: 64kts @6km AA Battery: 4x2 105mm/65 SK C/33 guns (26dmg = 90dps @6km 80% acc), 8x2 37mm SK C/30 guns (14dmg = 48dps @3.5km 80% acc), 6x4 20mm/65 C/38 cannons (42dmg = 145dps @2km 75% acc) Mobility Speed: 33.5kts - 250,000hp Size: 268m long, 36.5m wide, 11m deep Consumables Standard Damage Control Standard Repair Party 4 Seaplanes Speed Boost Notes O42 design Improved machinery to 33.5kts Researchable upgrade to 406mm guns from 380mm Added triple torpedoes on deck Tech-Tree Battleships Ersatz Yorck class Battleship (T7) Survivability Displacement: 33,500t standard; 38,000t full (50,400hp standard; 55,750hp full) Armour: 300-100mm belt, 250-100mm bulkheads, 80mm deck, 30mm anti-torpedo bulkhead, 300-150mm turrets Weaponry Main Battery: 4x2 380mm/45 SK C/13 guns Reload: 26s (2.3) AP Shell: 750kg @800m/s (10900 damage) HE Shell: 750kg @800m/s (4500 damage, 35% fire) Traverse: 5 degrees per second (36s per 180 degrees) Secondary Battery: 12x1 150mm/45 SK C/09 guns / 8x1 88mm/45 SK C/13 guns Reload: 8.57s (7) / 4s (15) HE Shell: 45.3kg @835m/s (1800 damage, 10% fire) / 9kg @890m/s (1000 damage, 4% fire) AA Battery: 8x1 88mm/45 SK C/13 guns (8dmg = 26dps @4.6km 80% acc) Mobility Speed: 27.5kts - 90,000hp Size: 227.8m long, 30.4m wide, 9.3m deep Consumables Standard Damage Control Standard Repair Party Notes AA refit needed Premium Ships Von der Tann Battlecruiser (T3 Premium) Survivability Displacement: 19,370t standard; 21,300t full (33,600hp standard; 35,900hp full) Armour: 250-80mm belt, 180-100mm bulkheads, 50mm deck, 25mm anti-torpedo bulkhead, 230-60mm turrets Weaponry Main Battery: 4x2 283mm/45 SK C/07 guns Reload: 24s (2.5) AP Shell: 302kg @855m/s (7200 damage) HE Shell: 302kg @855m/s (3200 damage, 19% fire) Traverse: 3.5 degrees per second (51.4s per 180 degrees) Secondary Battery: 10x1 150mm/45 SK C/09 guns / 16x1 88mm/45 SK C/13 guns Reload: 8.57s (7) / 4s (15) HE Shell: 45.3kg @835m/s (1800 damage, 10% fire) / 9kg @890m/s (1000 damage, 4% fire) AA Battery: 4x1 88mm/45 SK C/13 guns (4dmg = 13dps @4.6km 80% acc) Mobility Speed: 24.8kts - 42,000hp Size: 171.7m long, 26.6m wide, 9.17m deep Consumables Standard Damage Control Standard Repair Party Speed Boost Seydlitz Battlecruiser (T5 Premium) Survivability Displacement: 24,988t standard; 28,550t full (40,300hp standard; 44,500hp full) Armour: 300-100mm belt, 220-100mm bulkheads, 50mm deck, 45mm anti-torpedo bulkhead, 250-70mm turrets Weaponry Main Battery: 5x2 283mm/50 SK C/09 guns Reload: 22s (2.72) AP Shell: 302kg @880m/s (7400 damage) HE Shell: 302kg @880m/s (3200 damage, 19% fire) Traverse: 4 degrees per second (45s per 180 degrees) Secondary Battery: 12x1 150mm/45 SK C/09 guns / 12x1 88mm/45 SK C/13 guns Reload: 8.57s (7) / 4s (15) HE Shell: 45.3kg @835m/s (1800 damage, 10% fire) / 9kg @890m/s (1000 damage, 4% fire) AA Battery: 2x1 88mm/45 SK C/13 guns (2dmg = 7dps @4.6km 80% acc) Mobility Speed: 26.5kts - 63,000hp Size: 200.6m long, 28.5m wide, 9.29m deep Consumables Standard Damage Control Standard Repair Party Speed Boost L20e α Battleship (T8 Premium) Survivability Displacement: 44,500t standard; 49,500t full (63,450hp standard; 69,400hp full) Armour: 350-100mm belt, 300-140mm bulkheads, 100mm deck, 45mm anti-torpedo bulkhead, 350-150mm turrets Weaponry Main Battery: 4x2 420mm/45 SK C/09 guns Reload: 28s (2.2) AP Shell: 1000kg @800m/s (12450 damage) HE Shell: 1000kg @880m/s (5000 damage, 42% fire) Traverse: 4 degrees per second (45s per 180 degrees) Secondary Battery: 12x1 150mm/45 SK C/09 guns / 8x1 88mm/45 SK C/13 guns Reload: 8.57s (7) / 4s (15) HE Shell: 45.3kg @835m/s (1800 damage, 10% fire) / 9kg @890m/s (1000 damage, 4% fire) AA Battery: 8x1 88mm/45 SK C/13 guns (8dmg = 26dps @4.6km 80% acc) Mobility Speed: 26kts - 100,000hp Size: 238m long, 33.5m wide, 9m deep Consumables Standard Damage Control Standard Repair Party Notes Needs AA refit
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