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  1. _Rule_Britannia

    M. IMMELMANN

    is there any possible way to remove this ship from my port? i was given it and I don't want it, i would rather have the port slot
  2. I'm not sure when but I received two rentals, and it says I have a month worth of free time to experience them? Has this happened with anyone else? I mean, Wargaming, if you want to give me a free Yamato, just provide me with one that I permanently keep lol. Or is this a subtle gift from @Ahskhance otherwise known as Vash the Stampede. Wargaming does have a history of giving me free premiums (Texas and the Beta).
  3. Kenrod_Melrocity

    On ship flag display

    Just noticed on the Fletcher that the US flag is flying lower than the adjacent flags. Checked my Montana and it's even worse. That's against protocol, right?
  4. Kutejikashi

    Best credit maker ship?

    Could anyone tell me which ships are the best for making credits? both premium and if there's something as a non premium credit maker ship that could help too. Thanks to all
  5. Can literally be about anything, dockyards, events, new ships, etc, etc.
  6. SuperUnicumInBed

    Ship nicknames

    Hello fellow captains, In my most recent guide, I discussed about making another "guide" on nicknames for ships like "Furry Taco" (Furutaka) "Taco Banana" (Tachibana) "Lertbote" (Friesland) etc. I'm in the process of gathering data for the new "guide" and interested in wondering if any of you have a list of nicknames of ships. Feel free to post the list you have below.
  7. After thousands (no kidding) of daily containers I finally got a ship. And what a ship!! Tier VI Erich Loewenhardt In all fairness to WG, I am not a fan of CV's but, since the rework, I have actually played them. I still encourage no subs...
  8. This is really funny I was playing in public test and decided to select a random container for fun and got a super container. I opened it and I got a PREMIUM SHIP This has never happened to me, and I was even more suprised with what ship it gave me the tier 9, Nuestrashimy my my my, what a lucky drop, I basically pissed my pants in excitement and laughter. From what I heard, she was a steel ship and a very rare ship in game. Only seen one twice in battle I believe, and now I got one except she’s on my public test account, so my question is, do premium ships you earn on a public test transfer to your other regular account, cause that would be fun
  9. Felipe_1982

    Thunderer!

    Following advices taken (here) i got my first "real" coal ship: Thunderer Unfortunately, by now i have about 30% wins on it. Trying to play in the back as people told it is a ship to snipe and not a ship to engage in fights.
  10. So, I just started playing World of Warships, and I started experiencing some weird things showing up. There are brightly colored objects blocking my view when I turn my guns to the right and left. The only way to bypass these colored objects, is by looking through binoculars. It doesn't happen at the beginning of the game, but rather mid-game. it appears and blocks my view of other ships, and consequently, I get demolished and have to try again. I will try and take a video of it tonight.
  11. Friday bundle (source: Asia)
  12. S_H_O_C_K_W_A_V_E

    Hercule Mogador Strikes Again!

    Hello there! So, I had a couple of pretty sweet games in the Mogador today. One of them was a 155k Damage victory, and the other was a 117k damage defeat. Thanks to that, the Mogador now holds my personal DD damage record. Here's the win Somehow getting my rear end carried by a Lightning. Just 250 damage short of my first Witherer medal ( shame ). But hey, I still got a Confederate Premium Time Moolah baby! And here's the loss. ( Or, when you just can't carry hard enough ) Like I said, when I can't carry hard enough... Comps to the Ostergotland captain for somehow evading the wrath of a Reload Booster Mogador at 5.5 kilometers. Not as much fire damage, but I did land a couple of torps ( Wait, I launched 55!? ) My first Million Credit Game Baby! ( I might have made 1.5 million if we had won that, lol ) So that's my impressive games for today. If you have any questions, comments or salt, do leave it down below. And compliments go out to all the captains who played in these games. Your performance was exceptional! ( And I'm sorry if it looks a bit sloppy. My editing skills are terrible ) -Shrayes Edit: For those of you who may or may not be wondering, here is my build at the moment. I run the second rudder upgrade in the 5th slot instead of concealment, so that I can juke better. I also run the Engine Boost upgrade for that sweet 252 second duration. Basic DD build, and then I go with Adrenaline Rush and BFT. I'm still saving up points for Demo Expert at the moment.
  13. DavyJonesLocker

    What ship would ______ Be?

    I'm Bored. Let's have fun! Match a celebrity, politician, or anyone with a ship, ship class, or nation.....GO Example: Gordon Ramsay would be the Smolensk due to his fiery personality and he is always shouting a you very close. or Betty White would be the Albany. It's older than dirt itself and the ship is legit white.
  14. HeavenlyWind_

    New Ribbon/Medal Idea

    There should honestly be a ribbon or medal for completely destroying a module, such as a turret or a torp tube. I know there's the incapacitation ribbons for temporarily disabling a module, but then there's the times where your turret or torp tube gets completely decommissioned and it can't be repaired or used for the rest of the match. There should be a separate ribbon/medal for that occasion. It would be cool and funny to know that you've just ruined someone's match lol
  15. HeavenlyWind_

    Lock-On Fix?

    There have been countless times where I've aimed at a ship and it locks on to the ship behind it. Then no matter how much I aim at my desired target, the lock-on sticks as long as the undesired ship, the one I'm locked onto somehow, is just about within frame. Happens a lot when I'm trying to torp too. Is there something that I'm missing in order to lock-on to my desired target every time or is the lock-on actually broken at times?
  16. Since the new set of resource/doubloon coupons are out, wondering what ships would be the best With coal I'm still stuck in the middle as if I should get the Thunderer or Georgia first. I already have Jean Bert and Smolensk For steel, is the flint a good enough ship to use or should I should wait to get more steel for a ship like the neustrashimy. I already have the Stalingrad as my first steel ship. Also what would be a good doubloon ship for 6500 that I can use the coupon on?
  17. HeavenlyWind_

    German T10 Premiums

    When are we gonna see some German T10 premiums? Seeing how they are the only main nation in the game without T10 premiums. German T10 prem H-class BB with 457mm guns? (or maybe even 480mm lol.) Lutzow?
  18. smolensk is broke as hell it can solo kill battleships from soo far away that range is crazy has a farther range than a GK with legendary on "legendary shortens the range cuz [edited] u thats why" Smolensk can fire over islands that are really high whilst siting directly next to them meaning no bb in game can retaliate ever, smolensk AA is god level if it is escorting a BB th AA field is way to strong to do much dmg. and i dont play cv much just noticing this stuff . soo and i know you peeps will say well good bye wont miss a player like you, but i dont hang out on forums complaining that my op ship isnt op enough like most forum warriors but [edited] it all i digress the nerf for smolensk needs to happen in november or im gone my money is gone and im never coming back so fire that one I.T. guy cuz u cant afford his [edited]nowadays. you guys wont listen to your players no matter what anyway we still have to play epicenter cuz u say it was hard to make so we gonna make u play the worst game mode ever conceived . so Thank you Wargaming for the good times [edited] russia and good night.
  19. 3 tier X ships showed up in my port. I've received normal rentals before but these say TEST SHIP and they say they're a COPY of the actual ship. Gearing, Zao and Conquerer. Good for clan battles and ranked battles only. I'm not in a clan yet and there are no tier X ranked battles atm. I read that you get rental ships for clan wars, so I assume that's what these are? But not sure why they say TEST and are only copies. So was wondering if they may be for something else? Looks like I won't be able to play them though if only clan and ranked. I do have some clan invites in port, so maybe that triggered the rental ships? If anyone can confirm this is how the normal clan rentals show up I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
  20. Admiral Scheer in 1934 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Admiral_Scheer Admiral Scheer was a Deutschland-class heavy cruiser (often termed a pocket battleship) which served with the Kriegsmarine of Nazi Germany during World War II. The vessel was named after Admiral Reinhard Scheer, German commander in the Battle of Jutland. She was laid down at the Reichsmarinewerft shipyard in Wilhelmshaven in June 1931 and completed by November 1934. Originally classified as an armored ship (Panzerschiff) by the Reichsmarine, in February 1940 the Germans reclassified the remaining two ships of this class as heavy cruisers. "Don't we already have Graf Spee, why another Pocket Battleship?" This is true that Graf Spee represents the Pocket Battleships in World of Warships currently, however I think having another with a more "battleship" style of play would be pretty fun and fitting since the German Line itself needs a bit of lovin'. "So how would you make them different? Why even get the Admiral Scheer?" Looking at the Graf Spee, I would differentiate the two by making the Admiral Scheer more in line with the German BB's rather than the cruisers. That said I would suggest making the alternative changes to it. 1. Main Battery Changes a. Main Battery Reload will be slightly slower than Graf Spee, Increased from 20s to 24s. b. Main Battery Range extended from 16km to 18km. c. Penetration Values Increased for AP/HE. 2. Secondary Battery Changes a. Range changed from 4km to 7.2km 3. Torpedo Changes a. Torpedoes changed to G7 Schildbutt; 90s reload, 14400dmg maximum, 66kts, 9.5km range 4. Consumables a. Damage Control b. Defensive Fire (no access to Hydroacoustics) c. Catapult Fighter Essentially the idea to differentiate the Admiral Scheer from the Admiral Graf Spee is to make the Scheer a longer ranged Pocket Battleship more in line with the "battleship" line while not stepping on the more close range and "heavy cruiser" oriented Graf Spee. Scheer would have the capability to engage heavier armored targets at slightly farther ranges with its extended main battery range, secondary range, and torpedoes. However this would be at the cost of slightly longer main battery reload times (a trait of german BBs). It would also have access to longer range secondary guns which could be used to harass enemy targets at range during loading times or to help sink enemy destroyers that wander too close. (another trait of the german BBs). However not all things are rosy for the Scheer since it would not have the ability to access Hydroacoustics...an advantage that the Graf Spee (heavy cruiser style) would have over the Scheer (german bb style) when it comes to combating Destroyer's or avoiding torpedoes. I think that this would be a fun, and slightly different take on the ship series while still maintaining the National German flavor found in the differentiating ships of Tirpitz/bismarck, Gneisenau/Scharnhorst, Prinz Eugen/Admiral Hipper. The Admiral Graf Spee being more in tune with the german heavy cruiser line, able to close the gap and tackle things up close, compared to the Admiral Scheer which would prefer to engage at longer ranges.
  21. Please be aware that all of the statistics and performance discussed in this post reflect the version of the ship as she appeared during the testing period. These are subject to change before release. EDIT: July 10th, 2017: For those looking for more information regarding HSF Graf Spee, almost everything listed below is pertinent. Please also refer to the High School Fleet FAQ. Ambush Predator. Quick Summary: A Cruiser with Battleship caliber guns. Patch and Date Written: 05.15.2, December 15th, 2016 Cost: Undisclosed at the time of publishing. Closest in-Game Contemporary Uhh.... ? Y'see, when a Scharnhorst and a Nurnberg love each other VERY much... ♥ ♥ ♥Degree of Similarity: Clone / Sister-Ship / Related Class / Similar Role / Unique The Graf Spee is a fairly unique ship. She has Battleship caliber guns but they don't behave like Battleship guns, not in all of the ways you would expect. She has the fragility of a cruiser to contend with but she has access to a Repair Party. She's not fast like a cruiser but she's not a thunder-chunker when it comes to wiggling her tush about. Lert suggested that I should have gone with the Molotov as the closest example. That's not a bad choice but it's still far off. I'ma stick with my Scharnhorst-Nurnberg mutant-baby comparison. (Seriously though, I think something between the Molotov and Dunkerque are closest but still miles off). PROs Large hit point pool for a tier 6 Cruiser at 39,400hp. Very powerful main battery of six 283mm Battleship-sized weapons. Good gun handling for weapons of their size with a fast traverse rate. Very accurate guns for their caliber. Strong torpedo armament with excellent speed and range, especially for German torpedoes. Decent handling with a 680m turning circle. Has access to a Repair Party at tier 6. CONs Poor armour values with a maximum of 156mm of citadel protection. Poor overall DPM, relying more on high alpha strikes to deliver damage. Poorly aimed shots or over penetrations really hurt her damage output and can leave her well behind in a damage race. Her armament is ill suited for handling destroyers and she doesn't have the DPM or protection to trade with Battleships. Only modest AA power. Slow for a cruiser, with a top speed of 28.5 knots "Pocket Battleship". Oh, how I hate that term. It's taken me quite a while to divorce myself of that classic British descriptor for the Admiral Graf Spee. When I was little, I swallowed it wholesale, believing the Graf Spee to be stereotypical Battleship, just smaller. This imagining entailed a ship bristling with guns, protected by heavy armour and, because she was little, high speed. My own delusions couldn't be further from the mark. I hope these impressions aren't commonplace among the community. Maybe I can shake them off fully as I make my way through this review. Lert and Zoup have both agreed to join me. Hopefully they can keep my wild imaginings of this vessel in check. The Lertbox Welcome to another Lertbox. Once again LittleWhiteMouse has let an evil black cat into her little parlor. Fortunately for her, I'm more interested in boxes than mice. This time we're talking about Graf Spee. I've been looking forward to playing the ship, and dreading writing about her. After playtesting her, this has only increased. Let me get this right out of the way: I love this ship, but not everyone is going to. Both Mouse and I were hesitant to recommend Dunkerque, and I was accused of claiming she sucks by some people, while I just said she wasn't for everyone. Well, Spee is the same. I adore her, I think she's a great ship, but she's not for everyone. I'm going to do something different in this Lertbox. Instead of giving tips on how to engage your direct rivals in a theoretical 1v1, I'm going to compare her to Tirpitz, Scharnhorst and Prinz Eugen, discussing how these ships differ in playstyle and feel. Hopefully this will give a solid base from which to decide whether or not you're going to part with your greenbacks for this ship Options The big choice you'll have with the Graf Spee is whether or not to use the German Hydroacoustic Search or to instead go with Defensive Fire. I played with the former for a while but found it to largely be very situational given the Graf Spee's general phobia of closing with enemies. Overall I would recommend the latter, at least until you get your footing with this ship. Carriers are still rather commonplace at mid tiers and you will have your AA power tested and getting in close with the Graf Spee is kind of a bad idea until you appreciate her strengths and weaknesses. Consumables: Damage Control Party Hydroacoustic Search OR Defensive Fire Catapult Fighter Repair Party Module Upgrades: Four slots, standard German Cruiser options.Premium Camouflage: Tier 6+ Standard. This provides 50% bonus experience gains, 3% reduction in surface detection and 4% reduction in enemy accuracy. Firepower Primary Battery: Six 283mm rifles in 2x3 turrets in an A-X configuration. Secondary Battery: Six 105mm rifles in 3x2 turrets and eight 150mm rifles in single turrets. Torpedoes: Eight tubes in 2x4 launchers mounted to each side on the stern. These aren't the Scharnhorst's 283mm rifles. At a glance they look similar. Some of their stats are identical and you might overlook the important differences between the guns of the Graf Spee and the Scharnhorst. They share the same rate of fire, rotation speed and appearance. However, there are three key differences. The Graf Spee has a higher muzzle velocity at 910m/s vs 890m/s of the Scharnhorst. The Graf Spee has a harder hitting AP shell with 8,400 alpha strike vs 7,600 of the Scharnhorst. The Graf Spee has significantly less dispersion. It's these latter two traits which are so important to the performance (and viability) of the Graf Spee. The Graf Spee is an alpha-strike ship, defined by it's ability to deal front-loaded salvos of heavy damage against targets rather than wear them down over time with volume of fire. You want to hit a target so hard it pulverizes them and makes them think twice about engaging you. Her accuracy deserves special notice. This isn't caused by a favourable sigma value (though she may have one). The Graf Spee's raw dispersion values at her maximum range of 16.0km are lower than any other Battleship in the game. Here's some raw values of similarly ranged ships at this distance. DE Battleships: Approximately 223m IJN Battleships: Just shy of 200m Admiral Graf Spee: 184m IJN & DE Cruisers: Approximately 144m So not only is the Graf Spee a cruiser armed with Battleship caliber guns, she's a cruiser armed with Battleship caliber guns with almost a cruiser's level of accuracy. The Graf Spee can be a real nightmare for other ships of her type -- throwing railcars at their faces and hoovering up 8,400hp citadels with every salvo. Her 283mm rifles can overmatch any 19mm sections of armour or thinner, so even angling may not protect your ship. Be aware of your armour's thickness before trying to bow tank a Spee. Her firepower is also sufficient to give a Battleship pause, being accurate but also as fast reloading as the Scharnhorst. If you give her your side in your Super Dreadnoughts, you deserve the pain train the Spee will deliver. Where these guns really lack is in handling destroyers. She has neither the fast reload nor the volume of fire to put off enemy DDs. Like all German ships, her high explosive rounds are lackluster. At a 4.0km range, her secondary compliment is respectable for a ship her size -- certainly better than comparable American Battleships -- but it's not likely to give any destroyer pause except for one on very low health. With all this in mind, is her artillery compliment any good? Well, no... No it isn't. It's "interesting" but it's a far cry from "good", in my opinion. She's excellent at biting the faces off of other cruisers (which is historically accurate) but she doesn't have the firepower to seriously challenge a Battleship and she doesn't have enough guns or a fast enough reload to put down enterprising destroyers. Like the Belfast, she is over specialized -- a perfect fit for one role and awkward to passable in other situations. Torpedoes Arguably just as interesting as the Graf Spee's main battery is her torpedo armament. Like her guns, these things are weird. They're mounted on the stern of the ship, well behind the second turret. This gives them tremendous fields of fire, both forward and aft. But the launching angle will always seem odd as they come from well behind your field of view in the ship. As for the fish themselves, they're rather noteworthy. With 13,700 alpha strike, they're not bad for their tier (not great, mind you, but at least they're not American). Where they really stand out is their high speed of 65 knots and their range of 8.0km. Don't be fooled -- you'll never be able to launch fish from stealth in open water with the Graf Spee, but this is 2km longer than the reach of most other German Warships. They can and will surprise people. Summary Though small in number, the Graf Spee's main battery is accurate and hard hitting. She relies upon delivering high alpha strikes, not DPM to bring down her opponents. Inaccurate fire or poor target choices will greatly reduce her effectiveness. Her secondary battery is heavy for a cruiser but light for a battleship Her torpedoes are surprisingly good for a German Cruiser but their utility is hampered by not being able to fire from stealth. No, she didn't dodge those. Her torpedo tubes are mounted on the stern. This gives them excellent firing arcs, especially to the rear. When launching them at targets ahead, they will always appear to come from odd angles. Maneuverability Top Speed: 28.5 knots Turning Radius: 680m Rudder Shift Time: 10.3s The Maneuverability of the Graf Spee is a bit of a mixed bag. I am disappointed with how slow she is. Her 28.5 knot top speed is ... well, it's bad for a cruiser. It would be alright for a Battleship but she's not a Battleship. The Graf Spee needs to rely on concealment and her agility to stay alive and not being able to outrun ships she cannot outfight is a real weakness. She will face ships like the Scharnhorst-class, the Dunkerque and Bismarck-class which can all easily outrun her. This also limits her flexibility. You don't have any tricks to extract yourself if you sail into a contested area. Defensively, you will have to maneuver the Graf Spee very much like the Molotov. Keep at range. Give yourself time enough to dodge incoming fire, especially from enemy cruisers (but especially from Battleships). Rivals: Scharnhorst Let me get the first thing out of the way: Graf Spee's guns are not the same as Scharnhorst's. The differences are slight, but real. Scharnhorst has longer barrels, and fires a heavier shell, but at a slower muzzle velocity. This means that Spee has even flatter arcs than Scharnhorst and shorter time-to-target, at the expense of losing more energy over distance. Scharnhorst is a brawling opportunist. This is the ship that plays from the first line and actively looks for an opening, then mercilessly pushes in, weathering withering fire and closing in for the brawl. This is something you simply can't do in Spee, being slower and simply not having the armor to tank the amount of fire that Scharnhorst can without problem. Durability Hit Points: 39,400 Maximum Protection: 100mm + 16mm over her citadel Min Bow & Deck Armour: 19mm (immunity up to 271mm rifles) Torpedo Damage Reduction: 22% For resilience, the Graf Spee has some pretty exceptional qualities for a tier 6 cruiser. The first is pretty obvious; she has a truck load of hit points -- more than even the Mogami at tier 8. She has almost Battleship quality steel on her bow, stern and deck at 19mm thick, the same as the tier 5 Dreadnoughts. This is enough to repulse anything up to heavy cruiser armour piercing shells when angled sufficiently. On top of this, the Graf Spee has a Repair Party consumable which can help recover health when things go wrong (and they will). Combine this with her 22% damage reduction from torpedo hits along her flanks and the Spee looks pretty good as far as durability goes. That is until you look closer at her armour. Her citadel doesn't sit too much higher than the waterline. But it's the thickness of armour around it that's concerning. There are three layers protecting the majority of her citadel from damage. She has 16mm of submersed armour from her anti-torpedo bulge with a 100mm layer of belt armour behind that. The citadel herself has a 40mm wall, giving what appears to be a 156mm of combined protection which seems pretty okay. However sandwiched layers of steel have their downsides. While they may make citadel hits less likely, they're also more likely to prevent a shell from over penetrating. If you don't angle properly, you can expect to take some pretty big hits. Do it properly and you should be able to protect your citadel from most other cruisers. This quickly falls apart when facing Battleships though. Her Repair Party will often feel taxed. It appears to be standard, healing back 0.5% of her health every second for 28s (14% total or 5,516hp). Like all cruiser Repair Parties, this does permit you to heal back more citadel damage than those found on Battleships. Her citadel is enormous, in truth. It's not very well submerged and it extends far more to the rear than you might normally expect. With her bow and stern easily overmatched by even the smallest of Battleship guns (including her own), you need to rely on concealment and agility to stay safe. Against smaller targets, maneuver and angling can help carry the day, but it's still better to avoid damage than trust on your armour to tank it or your Repair Party to heal it. Rivals: Prinz Eugen Eugen is faster, but doesn't turn as well. She has eight of the typical German 8" guns with a 13 second reload, backed up by roughly center mounted torpedoes with a 6km range. In terms of playstyle, she is perhaps closest to Graf Spee out of the three ships in this comparison. I play her from the second line, keeping a sharp eye on the minimap and moving to where support is needed, WASD'ing all the time to throw off incoming enemy fire. I move up when I think I can and slink back to lick my wounds when needed. I drove Spee the same. Where Eugen and Spee differ though is in how I use the guns. Eugen has more, weaker guns, with a higher ROF. I'm constantly looking for viable targets when driving Prinz Eugen, prioritizing cruisers over battleships and close / mid range destroyers over cruisers. I try to keep my guns constantly singing, putting out volume of fire, farming DPS. Spee meanwhile has a very low DPM or volume of fire, but makes up for that with heavy alpha potential. I prioritize broadside battleships over cruisers and try to time my salvoes more to what maneuvers the enemy is making. Spee's torpedoes are flat-out better, with better range and better arcs - especially vs ships chasing you. It's rare when I can use Eugen's torpedoes, but I'm more likely to look for a chance to use Spee's. I drive Prinz Eugen more like a support ship, constantly putting pressure on anyone within range. I used Spee more like an opportunist, delivering heavy damage to whatever target is most viable. I found fires to be a continual problem for the Admiral Graf Spee. While she has the armour to bounce AP shells from destroyers and cruisers, they never seem to want to cooperate and shoot armour piercing at me. Concealment & Camouflage Surface Detection Range: 13.1 km Air Detection Range: 8.5 km Minimum Surface Detection Range: 11.2km Concealment Penalty while Firing: +8.49km (vs 16.0km gun range) Well, you're never going to be able to make the Graf Spee sneaky, that's for sure. Her guns are too big and so is her surface detection range. This should clearly emphasize the need to keep your distance from dangerous opponents (read: everyone). Use the accuracy and hitting power of your guns along with your agility to dodge reprisals. Be aware of your low speed and that if things turn sour, you will not be able to easily disengage if you let them slip within your surface detection range. Rivals: Tirpitz Everything I said about Scharnhorst goes doubly so for Tirpitz. This German brute brawls and tanks with the best of them, has significantly heavier firepower and boasts a decent set of torpedoes to boot. This is a ship that lives for the brawl, with an armor scheme that becomes stronger the closer you come, and a very nasty poison dagger in the form of torpedoes. The two ships couldn't play more differently. In fact the only thing that they have in common is aforementioned poison dagger. The last thing you want to do in a Graf Spee is move in for the brawl, or try to facetank biblical amounts of damage. She can brawl in a pinch, but her low speed means that getting there is an issue in and of itself, and her weak armor means you're not going to last long when you do. Only push in for a brawl from a position of strength, when you're confident your health, firepower and torpedoes mean you will win the brawl, after which you can use your heal to recover some of the health you're inevitably going to lose. Anti-Aircraft DefenseAA Battery Calibers: 105mm / 37mm / 20mmAA Umbrella Ranges: 4.5km / 3.5km / 2.0kmAA DPS per Aura: 50 / 10 / 30 I shouldn't have been surprised to see the Graf Spee suffer from what could be described as "early-war AA power". It's an affliction that many premium ships have succumb to, including the Dunkerque, Arizona and Perth. Without the Defensive Fire consumable, the Graf Spee's AA power isn't sufficient to keep her safe from enemy carriers. You'll be lucky to chew through an aircraft or two before they launch their attacks. Without help, you're never going to do enough damage to wear down their reserves. The consumable will at least make you a less appealing target and you might even bloody the noses of the incoming attack waves. Players should seriously consider arming that over Hydroacoustic Search. Still, I would never be so bold as to call the Graf Spee's AA power "good", even when specialized for it. While the Graf Spee will never have anything close to formidable AA power, with the Defensive Fire consumable, she can at least protect herself. Overall Impressions Skill Floor: Simple / Casual / Challenging / Difficult Skill Ceiling: Low / Moderate / High / Extreme Do not invest in the Graf Spee lightly. She combines some of the difficulties of a cruiser with some of the difficulties of a Battleship. When we were play testing the Graf Spee, there were some testers who just couldn't make a go of her. But on the flip side, those that did succeed with her did very, very well. If you couldn't find that magic engagement range that worked just right for your play style or if you couldn't prioritize your targets, the Graf Spee just didn't perform. You'll be tempted to play her like a Battleship. Don't. You'll be tempted to play her like a light cruiser. Don't do that either. She's her own beast. Lert hit the nail on the head when suggestion that she's sort of like the Molotov. You need to find that magic range where your own guns perform well but not so close that the enemy can easily shoot you back. Unlike the Molotov, though, your guns are nowhere near as ubiquitous -- nor do you have as many of them with anything close to the same reload. They're best suited to slapping cruisers and battleships, instead of being suitable for harassing all comers. The real pinnacle of good Graf Spee play comes when you can effectively use her Hydroacoustic Search offensively. This requires getting close, as you can imagine -- dangerously close. To do so means that you understand how to isolate prey and how to avoid reprisals. You also trust your gunnery and torpedo skills to unmask prey that's attempted to go to ground. While I do strongly advocate for inexperienced Spee players to stick to Defensive Fire while they're learning the ship, the move over to Hydroacoustic Search unlocks the last bit of nastiness this ship can deliver. British cruisers beware. The Lertbox Graf Spee is a strong ship. At least, I firmly believe so. Bad games were rare for me, and even in those cases I had fun. Her guns punish broadside cruisers, and even angled battleships at range usually caught one or two of my shells for a couple thousand damage. But strong as she is against cruisers and reliable as she is against battleships, Spee doesn't have the volume of fire to effectively deal with destroyers. Where she falls apart most is in tanking incoming fire. Her armor can reliably bounce 8" AP when properly angled, but battleship fire just yolo's through you like a hot knife through butter. The thing is though, that goes for all cruisers at her tier. And Spee has more hitpoints, and a heal. The three key things to keep in mine when driving Graf Spee are that you're not driving a battleship, you're driving a cruiser - and that target selection is paramount, more than in other cruisers. The third is that other cruisers are faster, so you must be aware not to overextend. Her dispersion is good, far better than that of the German battleships, but it won't feel that way because of her low volume of fire. Her torpedoes are excellent and a powerful deterrent for anyone chasing her. This is a cruiser that bullies cruisers, but doesn't do well against destroyers, and though she can reliably damage battleships, that damage is nibbles rather than large bites. That said, I found her AP more consistent against battleships than that of 8" or 6" armed cruisers at the same tier. I love this ship. But that's just because she clicked with me. Mouse's Summary: She's not an easy ship to use. Opinions from testers really were heavily polarized as "too strong" or "too weak". The Graf Spee is amazing as an ambush predator. Success with this ship often involves holding fire until just the right target or opportunity presents itself. Destroyers are scary. Carriers are also scary. But not as scary as a tier 8 Battleship that's faster, tougher and harder hitting than you deciding it wants to eat you. When I imagined classic Battlecruiser game play for World of Warships, what I imagined isn't what I saw with the likes of the Ishizuchi or the Amagi. These are both fast-battleships with slightly less armour. I pictured the ships being much more lightly armed and much more fragile. This was, of course, my imagination running far and away from what reality should have indicated. You can imagine my surprise when playing the Graf Spee dredged up these impressions. The Graf Spee is going to polarize the community. Some are going to love her. Some are going to say she's grossly overpowered. Then there are going to be others that can't make her work for the life of them. The Admiral Graf Spee is heavily overspecialized. She's a wonderful ambush predator but she's very selective of her prey. Destroyers and Carriers can give her a lot of problems. Sailing predictably will get her deleted with contemptuous ease. Choosing your targets poorly or announcing your presence prematurely will greatly reduce the amount of damage you can inflict. The only thing I really didn't like about the Graf Spee was her top speed. I dunno, in my head, in the histories I had read or heard about her, I somehow got the impression that she was wicked fast but that's clearly not the case. In fact, it's probably one of her greatest weaknesses -- an inability to largely dictate engagement ranges. Short of meeting a brick or a Bogue, you're not outrunning anyone. Maneuver poorly and this forces the Graf Spee to have to fight her way out. At times like these, that six gun broadside feels mighty small and her reload painfully long. Would I Recommend? Generally? No. The Graf Spee is going to give the novice player a lot of trouble. She doesn't have enough firepower and she's too fragile with a dependence on keeping engagement ranges open to survive. I could hedge my bets by saying she's a welcome challenge or an opportunity for players to use to improve themselves but there's definitely a touch of finesse required to get the most out of Spee and I question if the average Warships player is going to espouse the necessary tactics or cry foul at their imposition. Special mention should be made for those who enjoy Co-Op, of course. The Graf Spee does very well there. Her guns are hard hitting. Her torpedoes are fun to use and bots are categorically dumb. It's very easy to do well with her there and score big damage totals in short order to boot. For Random Battle Grinding Mouse: The Graf Spee is a good trainer for your German captains, no matter what their proficiency. However, with up to four consumable slots with three likely vying to be upgraded to premiums, it's hard to see the Graf Spee as being a good credit earner. The Scharnhorst is a better buy for your German training and credit earning needs, hands down. I can't justifiably recommend her here. Lert: I think so, yes. Spee makes a decent amount of credits and XP, comparable to ships like Molotov and Perth. She's comfortable to drive, if slow, and can reliably do the damage needed to earn aforementioned credits. For Competitive Gaming Mouse: I'm strongly inclined to say no. I would bring a Dunkerque instead of the Graf Spee. The Dunkerque is faster, harder hitting and tougher. That said, the combination of big guns and hydro is tempting for a competitive environment, but I see her too easily trumped by the all-too common destroyers of in Ranked Battles. The Leander would arguably be a much better choice. And not a premium you had to buy. Lert: No. Reliable volume-of-fire cruisers like Aoba, Cleveland and Molotov are better suited. Plus, Spee is just too slow in a meta where flexibility is paramount. Her hitpoints and heal just don't make up for her deficiencies here. For Collectors Mouse: Why hasn't Hollywood made a recent Admiral Graf Spee film? Yes. Lert: This is the Admiral Graf Spee we're talking about. The lead antagonist of the first naval battle of WWII and the main part one of my favorite stories of the war, a story filled with honor, integrity, intrigue and sacrifice. For any collector serious about naval history, Graf Spee is a crown piece of any collection and a must-buy. For Fun Factor Mouse: I enjoyed her. But I like my odd ships. There's certainly a uniqueness to the Graf Spee that I really enjoyed. Plus, I really like the challenge of stalking enemies from afar to deliver crippling sudden strikes. Lert: Maybe? It strongly depends on whether you can make her work or not. She's slow-for-a-cruiser and doesn't have a high volume of fire to make her excellent against destroyers, a role typically assigned to a Cruiser. Boom, baby. While she doesn't have a lot of guns, you will LOVE how well they pop cruisers suddenly and dramatically. How to Spee and Neuter your Admiral Graf As far as a training ship goes, there's a lot of overlap with the Graf Spee and other ship types. Short of something weird happening with the German destroyers, she will probably end up a decent trainer for them too. Recommended Modules Here's my picks for your modules: For your first slot, Main Armaments Modification 1 is your best choice. In slot number zwei, as good as her dispersion is, you're going to want Aiming Systems Modification 1 to tighten it up further. A lot of your shell fire will be at what amounts to long range for the Spee. Are the third module slots all still terrible? Yep, looks like. So go with Damage Control System Modification 1. At least this gives a small increase to your torpedo defense. And finally, for your fourth slot, Steering Gears Modification 2 is your best choice. This will reduce your rudder shift time down to 8.2s which will really help with dodging fire. Recommended Consumables Like any consumable heavy ship, you really need to watch your budget with the Graf Spee when it comes to equipping premium versions as you can put a significant dent on your earning potential. If you're taking her into Co-Op, even just a pair of these can quickly zero-sum you on a poor performing match. As ever, a premium version of her Damage Control Party is almost a must. While you have the choice between Hydroacoustic Search and Defensive Fire, I find the latter to be more forgiving at least until you get comfortable with the Spee. This will not turn her AA power into anything formidable but you may find some nice opportunities to either assist comrades or save your own butt if a strike-equipped CV wants to test the new-boat. Which they will. For those pinching pennies, you can avoid the premium versions of these. Don't ever take a premium version of an aircraft unless you hate credits. But do consider taking a premium version of your Repair Party. The combination of a reduced reset timer and additional charge can save your ship. Recommended Captain Skills The Graf Spee doesn't predicate taking any weird skills, thankfully. Though she might not gel particularly well with some of the secondary-heavy built Captains such as for the Bismarck or the Friedrich der Große. As ever, take Basic Fire Training for your first slot. This will bump up your AA power and give your secondaries a little bit of extra teeth. We're not focusing on building up our secondaries, but it will happen as a matter of course. For slot number two, Expert Marksman and Last Stand are both worthwhile. The former will reduce your 180' turret rotation down to 22.8s. Even though the Graf Spee looks the part of a Battleship, she does get her steering gears and engine blown out on occasion when you don't dodge properly. While not as chronic as that of the Konigsberg or Nurnberg, you may find Last Stand worthwhile. I would recommend Expert Marksman more though. At slot number three, Superintendent is my preferred choice with the caveat that you have to be making use of all of your consumable charges on a regular basis for this to be worthwhile. Otherwise go with Vigilance to spot torpedoes earlier. If you're particularly mean, you could also go with Torpedo Acceleration. This will reduce the Spee's torpedo range to the stereotypical 6km range of other German ships but launches them at a horrifying speed of 70 knots. Hilarious! Next up, Advanced Fire Training is definitely the best choice. This will give your AA power and Secondaries a nice boost to their range, bringing them up to 5.4km and 4.8km respectively. And finally, take Concealment Expert. This will reduce your surface detection range with camouflage down to 11.2km. You won't be able to stealth fire, but you will be better able to control engagements when you hold fire between reloads.
  22. Carrot__Panda

    Wouldn’t it be nice...

    if we could add custom numbers to our ships. Maybe you have a certain historical ship number that sits near and dear to you. A father or grandfather perhaps sailed on a certain ship. Obviously we can’t have every ship of the navy in the game, but we do have most classes or a class that we could consider close enough. For me it would be DD-748 USS Harry E Hubbard, which for all intents and purposes is a upgraded Fletcher class (a Sumner class to be exact). But enough about my crappy ideas, has this ever been brought up before?
  23. Please be aware that all of the statistics and performance discussed in this post reflect the version of the ship as she appeared during the testing period. These are subject to change before release. The following is aimed at new(ish) players looking to find a little more information about various ships from events, for premium currency or for real-world cash. The goal is to allow players to make an educated decision before parting with their time and money and to find premium vessels that suit their chosen style of play, whether that is competitive, cooperative, or simply for fun. The idea here is to elabourate on information not commonly available through reading statistics and provide some (heavily) biased anecdotal evidence to encourage or dissuade you from making your purchase. The usual disclaimers apply: everyone knows the Matchmaker clearly loves me because I spend money so that's why I occasionally get really good games, not because I have any particular skills of note. Other articles in this series: Ships for Doubloons: Smith, Sims,Atlanta, Texas, Saipan, Tachibana, Atago, Ishizuchi, Aurora,Molotov, Mikhail Kutuzov, Emden, König Albert,Tirpitz, Campbeltown, Warspite, Limited Release Ships: Fujin, Kamikaze, Katori, Yubari, Gremyashchy,Leningrad, Diana,Murmansk, Krasny Krym, Imperator Nikolai I, Anshan, Lo Yang, Marblehead, Indianapolis, Arizona, Prinz Eugen,Scharnhorst, Dunkerque, Blyskawica, Belfast Gift & Reward Ships: Albany, Arkansas, Flint, Iwaki, Mikasa, Arpeggio of Blue Steel Ships: Kongo, Kirishima, Haruna, Hiei, Myoko, Ashigara, Nachi, Haguro Non Premiums: Gneisenau, Bismarck, Iowa,Isokaze, Bogatyr Condensed Reading: Mouse's Quick Summary of Premium Ships Without further ado: The Swiss-Army knife of destroyer mutilation. Quick Summary: A stealthy, Light-Cruiser gunship with a large number of consumables and an additional module upgrade slot. Cost: Undisclosed at the time of this review. Patch & Date Written: 0.5.12.1, October 12th & 13th, 2016. Closest in-Game Contemporary: Cleveland, Tier 6 American CruiserDegree of Similarity: Clone / Sister-Ship / Related Class/ Similar Role / Unique At her core, the Belfast is a gunship. She has no torpedoes to speak of and she's armed with twelve 152mm rifles. This makes her, at least superficially, quite similar to the Cleveland in terms of play style. But once you add in all of the weird quirks she gets -- like which modules and consumables she can and cannot arm herself with, the Belfast quickly becomes her own beast. Some may want to point to other smoke-launching cruisers like the Kutuzov or Flint but she's much further apart from these ships because of her limited armament which largely dictates her play style. Maybe she'll find a closer analogue when the Royal Navy joins World of Warships in force. But for now, the Cleveland is the closest ship to which we can compare. PROs: Reasonably durable for a cruiser with 35,700hp and 114mm belt armour. The Belfast can stealth-fire with the proper setup of modules and camouflage, even without a 15pt Captain. Fast rate of fire at 8.0rpm and second highest DPM of the current 6" (150mm to 155mm) armed light cruisers. Good AA armament. Depending on your module & skill choices, the Belfast can have as low as a 8.7km surface detection range. Depending on your module choices, the Belfast can have a rudder shift as low as 4.6s. Has access to Radar and Hydroacoustic Search at the same time. She has access to a Smoke Generator with a longer-than-standard smoke duration. She can mount up to five module upgrades. She's currently the only tier 7 with access to this fifth slot. CONs: Very limited ability to deliver high alpha strikes. For a cruiser, she has a low base chance to start a fire at 9% per shell. Slow turret rotation at 7' per second. No torpedo armament. Low top speed for a cruiser, limited to 32.5 knots. Stock rudder shift is on the slow side at 9.6s. No access to Defensive Fire. No access to Propulsion Modification 2. Smoke Generator creates a tiny amount of smoke before shutting down -- enough for up to two smoke cloud Wargaming continues to outdo themselves in the quality of their models and textures. Can it truly be happening? Is the Royal Navy finally going to be joining World of Warships? Wargaming may just be initiating another Royal Navy tease. We've had the Warspite. We've had the Campbeltown. Now we have the HMS Belfast joining the game. This long awaited ship is a delight to see in game. The model is absolutely gorgeous, representing the post-war refits of this historic vessel. With her inclusion we now have a Battleship, Destroyer and Cruiser in the game. What's next? The Ark Royal? Who can say? But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Lert will be joining me today providing a comparison to some of the Belfast's rival cruisers in the Rivals sections. NoZoupForYou will also be joining us to provide his voice talents to our project. I even got them both to fill in the 'Recommendations' section, so enjoy! Thank you, Zoup! The Lertbox Once again LWM has allowed me space to express my thoughts and opinions about an upcoming premium ship, and this time it's a very interesting one. The HMS Belfast is the first premium Royal Navy cruiser, and possibly even the very first Royal Navy cruiser that you can get your hands on. As such, she will set expectations for the Royal Navy light cruiser line, when it comes out. Belfast as she appears in this game is a tier 7 light gun cruiser with a lot of interesting tricks up its sleeve. It's one of ten Town class cruisers, and she appears as she was after her 1959 modernization, which saw her superstructure rebuilt, lattice masts added and her torpedo armament removed. The premium camouflage Belfast carries is her 1969 museum-ship color scheme. Departing from the usual Lertbox style of direct stat comparisons I will write opinion pieces about how she in my experience compares to Cleveland and Indianapolis, the two ships she'll be most likely compared to. Options There's a whole lot of weirdness going on with the options for the Belfast. First of all, she has four consumables but no choices to change them out for something else. You cannot swap out Hydroacoustic Search for Defensive Fire, for example. In fact, she doesn't get access to Defensive Fire at all, which should surprise some people. Her Surveillance Radar is on par with the American version found on the Atlanta and Indianapolis, with an 8.49km range and 25s active period. Her Hydroacoustic Search is also the standard version found on other nations (as opposed to the souped up version found on the German ships). But it's her Smoke Generator that's truly the odd duck. The deployed smoke has a longer duration than most other nations (103s vs 85s) though it still falls short of the American (121s). However, there's only a 7s window to lay smoke clouds, limiting the Belfast to making only one or two "puffs". Another fun bit of weirdness for the Belfast is that she has five upgrade slots instead of the normal four found at tier 7. This extra slot gives her access to the Concealment, Target Acquisition System and Steering Gears modifications which are gain the normal purview of tier 8 and higher vessels. The Belfast seems to trade for this by being unable to equip Propulsion System Modification 2. Beware of sitting stationary in your tiny amount of smoke. Overall, the module upgrade options are phenomenal for the Belfast, allowing you to choose between excellent agility or improved concealment, depending on your preferred style of play. Consumables: Damage Control Party Hydroacoustic Search Smoke Generator Radar Module Upgrades: Five slots. Does not have access to Propulsion Modification 2 for it's fourth slot.Premium Camouflage: Tier 6+ Standard. This provides 50% bonus experience gains, 3% reduction in surface detection and 4% reduction in enemy accuracy. Firepower Primary Battery: Twelve 152mm rifles in 4x3 superfiring turrets in an A-B-X-Y configuration. Secondary Battery: Eight 102mm guns in 4x2 turrets mounted amidships. If you strip away all of the toys on the Belfast, what you're left with is a no-nonsense gunship. She doesn't have torpedoes, so she's entirely reliant on the performance of her guns. This may look like a crippling flaw as the Belfast has some of the worst alpha strike potential of any 6" armed cruiser from her individual shells. Indeed, the Belfast is largely bereft of any ability to deal large amounts of damage in a single attack. Her weapons do not have great muzzle velocity either leading to a lot of hang time and necessary lead to land hits and precluding her from using AP against enemy cruisers until she's quite close. But this is all compensated for by a good rate of fire. When measured against other Light Cruisers in and around her tier with a similar armament, she comes in second for AP and HE DPM which is nothing to sneeze at. Just always keep her lack of torpedoes in mind when looking at these numbers. Gun performance comparison between 150mm to 155mm armed Light Cruisers The gun handling of the Belfast is reasonably comfortable. Her turret rotation is slower than I would want at 7' per second (25.7s for a 180' rotation). This value is similar enough to some of the Soviet cruisers like the Mikhail Kutuzov and Shchors and better than that of the upgraded Cleveland. It's not fast, but it's passable. Your shell flight time will always be on the long side, however. These are not the high velocity shells found on the Soviet cruisers or the Mogami's 155mm. They share a lot similar flight patterns to the USN Cleveland, so you're going to struggle a bit to hit anything but large or predictably moving ships at range. You can expect to see up to 11s lead times while stealth-firing, which this ship can manage at ranges from 14.5km with Concealment Modification 1 or 13.3km when combined with Concealment Expert. While the ship's range is nothing impressive at her tier, she is sneaky enough to easily get within range to be able to engage targets without risk of early detection. While this looks like good news, it's that low chance to set fires that really hurts the Belfast and precludes her from ever being considered an optimal fire-starting gunship. In the practical sense, when engaging other capital ships, her damage potential falls away if she cannot start sufficient blazes to give enemy Battleships pause. So she's rather RNG dependent in this regard. This is very important to keep in mind as the Belfast can (and will) go up against the more heavily armoured Battleships at tiers 8 & 9 where plating in excess of 25mm will result in zero-damage hits from her high explosive rounds. Still, the 9% fire chance is passable. It can do the job. It's just not optimal, especially when compared to her competitors.. Like all cruisers, her secondary armament is pretty forgettable. It has some good traits, though. She has a 5.0km base range with them and they fire 20rpm. But this isn't like you'll win a war with them. I did finish off a Leningrad with my secondaries, so that was cute. But I wouldn't expect this to be the norm with her. Overall, her guns are very well suited to putting the hurt on lightly armoured ships. Combined with other features, her weaponry seems almost ideally designed to make destroyers balk at being anywhere within 10km of a Belfast. She will also give pause to other cruisers, while being passable (but not ideal) for harassing Battleships in between interdiction missions. I'm not in love with her guns. They are decent though and they do the trick. Just don't expect miracles or fast results. You'll be dodging torpedoes a lot in the Belfast -- mostly because your guns, concealment distance and consumables make you an absolute nightmare for enemy destroyers. Rivals: The Cleveland Let's get the obvious comparison out of the way. At first glance Belfast comes across as an up-tiered Cleveland with added toys. This isn't an unfair assessment, as they share many attributes. Both are 32 knot, agile light cruisers with twelve rapid fire 6" guns. Neither have much armor, but both have a module layout that makes them a bit more survivable than their tier- and class mates like Budyonny, Shchors and the like. Both have a generous bag of hitpoints. Cleveland is more durable though. Her hit points last just a bit longer because of her lower tiering, and her citadel is notoriously difficult to hit reliably. Belfast feels a bit softer when under fire, mostly due to her citadel area being considerably longer than Cleveland's. The Cleveland is more agile with a faster rudder shift and a slightly tighter turning circle. Also, Cleveland gets a defensive fire consumable that Belfast doesn't, making her a nightmare for enemy carrier jockeys. Finally, Cleveland will theoretically light more fires per minute than Belfast. Where Belfast beats out the American fighting lady though is in pure volume of fire, 96 shells per minute verses Cleveland's 90. She has a higher base DPS on her AA, higher DPM on her guns and that very valuable fifth equipment slot which can fit either concealment to make a very stealthy cruiser or rudder shift to make her more agile than Cleveland will ever be. Also, the added value of smoke and radar can not be denied. It might not be fair to compare a tier 7 CL to a tier 6 one, but Cleveland is slated for an up-tiering when the CA / CL split happens, and since Belfast and Cleveland share so many play style elements the comparison holds. Belfast is by far the more versatile ship. Maneuverability Top Speed: 32.5 knotsTurning Radius: 680mRudder Shift: 9.6s The Belfast has a bit of a sluggish rudder shift. That's the bad news. The good news is that she can take two module upgrades to mitigate this, dropping it down as low as 4.6s which is downright awesome. With just the first module, you'll be looking at a 7.7s rudder shift time which is still a bit clunky but manageable. With her fair turning circle, she has a lot of hustle in her bustle. The Belfast doesn't get down to American levels of cruiser wigglyness (Zoup told me this was a perfectly cromulent word), but it's still more than sufficient to throw off the aim of enemies at range if you keep your patterns irregular. So, if you take a module or two to tighten up the response time of her rudder, the Belfast will feel very nimble with her handling. This compensates somewhat for her only modest top speed which is again, downright American in that respect. The 32.5 knots is the same legwork found on the Pensacola, Atlanta, Flint and Indianapolis. This lags well behind the more fleet footed Soviet and Japanese cruisers. As such, it will be impossible to run down all but the most complacent of destroyers. You'll also have a hard time fleeing from a fast Battleship that's intent on closing with you. There are few things more frightening than an Iowa bellowing, "Get in me belly!" while it chases your Belfast. Fire and maneuver is the name of the game with the Belfast -- tossing evasive maneuvers in between salvos. This isn't a ship with which you'll want to ever be caught stationary. Wargaming seems to be going out of their way to discourage this. First, they've removed the option to take Propulsion Modification 2 which would provide her with a lot more startup agility when caught sitting still. Second, her smoke screens are pathetically small requiring her to be at a near dead stop before activating or she risks slipping out of her tiny bank of fog. This makes her an easy target just before deploying her concealment and should make many a Belfast player think twice about using it this way. DurabilityHit Points: 35,700 Citadel Protection: Up to 114mm.Bow & Deck Armour: Minimum of 13mm each.Torpedo Damage Reduction: 4% The armour setup on the Belfast is a bit of a mixed bag. She has 114mm belt armour, which is rather good for a light cruiser, and certainly well above what we might see on her Soviet counterparts. Unlike ships like the Budyonny or Shchors, her citadel is at or below the waterline of the ship. Combine this with her 35,700hp and she's looking rather well protected -- or at least as well protected as a cruiser could be. And that's really the catch, isn't it? You cannot expect the Belfast to repulse Battleship caliber firepower, especially not at tier 7+. They will happily oblige you by emancipating your ship of it's hp poolt with a storm of 380mm+ shells. Don't give them the opportunity if you can at all help it. Use your agility and your stealth as your defense. What this level of armour plate will actually provide is reasonable protection from small-caliber (180mm or smaller) guns trying to throw AP at you. This can be rather commonplace as you close in with enemy destroyers and cruisers that will switch ammunition types if they think they can catch your broadside. Use your rudder, force those bounces off your angled sides. It is fun to note that the Belfast does have some small anti-torpedo bulges, providing a 4% damage reduction. Once you plug in Damage Control System Modification 1, this jumps up to 7%. It's not great by any means, but hey, cruisers should rejoice with any little durability bonuses they can claim. The angled belt armour of the Belfast bounces a 210mm AP round from a German Yorck-class cruiser. This is an uncommon occurence. Even bows on, the Belfast's prow is overmatched by 203mm shells or greater. Be very careful when engaging heavy cruisers at point blank range. Concealment & Camouflage Surface Detection Range: 11.3km Air Detection Range: 8.1 km Minimum Surface Detection Range: 8.7km Concealment Penalty while Firing: +4.56km (vs 15.4km gun range) Don't let these numbers fool you. Like her rudder shift time, the Belfast's concealment rating is something you can play with right out of the box with module choices. This is an either-or choice, though. You can either have gorgeous rudder shift or improved concealment rating, as they both take up the 5th module slot. This is very important feature to remember. With Concealment Modification 1 and her premium camouflage, a starting Belfast with a fresh Captain will have a 9.9km surface detection range and nearly a 1km window from which it can stealth fire at enemies from open water. Any Atago player will tell you the wonderful merits of a cruiser that's able to sneak within 10km of an enemy ship. This opens up the door for all sorts of clever play, including interdicting enemy destroyers and sneaking onto caps the enemy thinks are reasonably covered. Once you add a 15pt Captain with Concealment Expert, this range drops down to 8.7km which is just outside of the Belfast's radar range. This can quickly spell the doom for an enemy DD that's not paying attention to enemy team lists. It can find itself with a rapid fire light cruiser at point blank range, hammering it with salvos of 152mm with no easy way to escape. Hydro will sniff out any desperate torpedo drops. Radar will keep them lit even if they attempt to blow smoke. Her concealment allows the Belfast to contest capture points in Domination maps, especially from destroyers that have outstripped their support. In my test games, this became a rather common occurrence. Often happening not just once but twice in several encounters. Even without a 15pt Captain, I was comfortably able to pull off ambushes against lower tiered destroyers, like IJN Minekaze, Mutsuki and Kamikaze-class destroyers that often risked getting within 8km to launch torpedoes. USN and Soviet cruisers that popped smoke and began firing from within the cover of their concealment were simply ringing the dinner bell for my Belfast to come feast. Good times. This same concealment rating is also the Belfast's best armour when facing off against enemy cruisers. She has one of (if not the) best concealment ratings for her tier bracket. When you don't want to fight something, silence your guns and turn away. You're almost like an oversized destroyer in this respect. This ability to drop back into stealth is imperative given the rather modest top speed of the Belfast. You'll need to plan your escape at an early juncture if the enemies are pushing your flank aggressively. Lastly, special mention should be made towards the Belfast's Smoke Generator consumable. It's ... well, it's odd. It does not create a lot of smoke, but the smoke that it does leave down lasts longer than that of the Soviet or IJN ships. You have a little over a minute and forty seconds worth of concealment from the Belfast's smoke but you're not likely to get more than two smoke clouds out when you activate the consumable. It seems that Wargaming intends that the Belfast's smoke to be used primarily on the defensive rather than offensive role. This is further paid evidence to with her lack of the Propulsion Modification 2 -- slowing to a stop in your own tiny smoke screen is all well and fine, just be aware that you're not going to be able to get up and go in a hurry afterwards. Rivals: The Indianapolis Ah, the other tier 7 premium cruiser with a gimmick, this being radar in the Indianapolis' case. Here the difference is that the Belfast is a light cruiser and Indianapolis a heavy cruiser, armed with very potent 203mm guns. These USN 8" rifles have a very unique attribute: they are better at defeating angled opponents by virtue that they have a wider angle to work with before autobounce starts becoming a thing. This makes the American 203mm AP very dangerous to soft cruisers like Belfast. In a pure gun duel, I would imagine a smart Indianapolis drive to defeat an equal-skilled Belfast driver. The Belfast can't run away from the Indianapolis, so any duel between them comes down to using the environment and concealment versus gunnery skills, and the best the Belfast can do is try to not get shot too much. But these ships don't fight in a vacuum, and 1v1 fights are rare. Indianapolis' radar has proven itself a very useful piece of equipment, and Belfast gets access to an equally potent one. But where Indianapolis has to choose between hydro and defensive fire in one slot and radar and a fighter in the other, Belfast gets to use hydro, smoke and radar at the same time. It's hard to say which is the 'better' ship. They serve distinct roles. Indianapolis is better at putting the hurt on battleships and annoying carriers, Belfast is better at ferreting out destroyers, both can put the hurt on cruisers. But where Belfast might rely on a combination of HE spam, fire-hosing and some AP damage, Indianapolis can get away with relying on AP more. Anti-Aircraft DefenseAA Battery Calibers: 102mm / 40mmAA Umbrella Ranges: 5.0km / 3.5kmAA DPS per Aura: 72 / 140 The Belfast does not get access to the Defensive Fire consumable. This isn't a matter of having to choose between it and Hydroacoustic Search -- it's simply not an option at all. This immediately precludes the Belfast from being a dedicated anti-aircraft escort, which is a bit of shame because she has some rather impressive anti-aircraft firepower. When you compare her to the other tier 7 cruisers, her AA DPS is quite respectful -- the second highest overall. 224dps - Flint 212dps - Belfast 207dps - Pensacola 202dps - Indianapolis 182dps - Yorck 177dps - Atlanta 153dps - Shchors 151dps - Myoko Of course, there's a lot more to AA gunfire than raw DPS. Having it concentrated in the large caliber AA guns is important for a start. This is what makes the Atlanta and Flint so dangerous -- having enormous 127mm dual-purpose batteries. The Belfast does alright here, having 5.0km reach on her 102mm batteries with good DPS. She backs this up with the always reliable 40mm Bofors at a good defensive range of 3.5km. If the Belfast did have access to Defensive Fire, she'd be an absolute monster for enemy CVs. Without it, she's still a target to be respected but she won't be causing any form of disruption to aircraft groups. I was frequently shooting down a half dozen same-tier planes in games where there was an enemy CV present with only Basic Fire Training to improve my ships gunners. To this end, if you fancy playing the role of a makeshift AA escort, keep close to the ships in need of protective cover. Just be aware that you will never reach the same levels of anti-aircraft firepower as Defensive Fire spikes the DPS of the ship in question up tremendously when active, on top of its other benefits. Without Defensive Fire, even Dive Bombers present a serious threat to the Belfast as she has no way of disrupting their drop patterns. Her AA defense is good overall, and you can expect to seriously punish any groups making their attack runs against you. But you're still going to have to weather their drops. Overall Impressions Skill Floor:Simple/ Casual / Challenging / Difficult Skill Ceiling:Low/ Moderate / High / Extreme The Belfast looks complicated, but she's really not. For all of the confusing mess of consumables and modules, the Belfast is, at her core, a light cruiser gunship. It's all about avoiding the attention of warships bigger than you while picking on those that are smaller. Even a novice player can take her into a match, rig her for concealment and do reasonably well farming HE and fire damage off of enemy capital ships at extreme range. The meta for her is making destroyer lives miserable and bullying capture points which is a high-risk, high-reward style of play but one that can quickly decide a match when done correctly. The Lertbox Belfast is perhaps the most versatile ship in the game at this moment, depending on captain skills and equipment fitted. You could go for a ballerina build and bring her rudder shift down to ridiculous levels, or go for a concealment build and have an almost comically sneaky little cruiser. Her AA is formidable even lacking a defensive fire module and properly specced she can function as AA escort, but she can just as easily ferret out destroyers trying to hide inside their smoke screens, while sitting comfortably in her own. She can even lay down a strategically placed puff of smoke to help conceal her team. During playtesting I found that a very effective tactic was to appropriate a friendly smoke screen in or near a cap and popping my own when it started running out, thereby extending the duration of the smoke screen by a considerable margin. Not many people dare attack a smoke screen that threw as many shells as these did, as well as intermittent torpedo fire from the friendly destroyer which laid the original screen. One misses defensive fire and her fire chance is a bit low, but were those present she'd be overpowered at tier 7. I can't stress how potent the combination of hydro, smoke and radar available without having to choose between them is. It's enough to elevate what is basically a very potent tier 6 ship up to tier 7. Mouse's Summary: The Belfast is the Inspector Gadget of warships. You have a gizmo for most situations, especially when facing destroyers. You'll have to pick between awesome rudder shift and awesome concealment. The lack of Defensive Fire and a high-alpha strike attack keeps her from being immediately overpowered. Best played patiently with a slight aggressive streak where DDs are concerned. The Belfast makes me miss a lot of things. I miss Defensive Fire. I miss being able to deliver high alpha strikes. I miss going fast. But if she had access to any one of these things, she'd be overpowered. The Belfast is a very comfortable ship to play. Once you wrap your head around the fact that you're not going to kill any big ships quickly, it gets quite easy. Avoid being spotted by capital ships. Get wiggly when you are spotted. Punish destroyers that over extend. That's about it, really. Where she gets very interesting is all of the wonderful tools you have to make destroyer lives miserable while not quite having the absolute optimum load-out to do so. Out of the ships presently available in the game, it would still be hard to argue that the Belfast is probably the best destroyer hunter out there. And that's what the Belfast truly embodies -- it's the destroyer hunter that we've all been wanting. Radar is fun and all on an Atlanta or a New Orleans, but neither ship can risk getting in close to make use of it to counter the Udaloi, Bensons or Blyskawicas out there that are sitting in their smoke screens and dropping pew pews on our team. The Belfast can risk it. She's got the tools to get in. She's got the tools to quickly isolate and punish the enterprising destroyer. And she's got the tools to get out afterwards. Top on my wish-list to make her even better at destroyer hunting would be a little more speed. It's just not there. Her 32.5 knots means that you're relying on destroyers making mistakes more than actively pursuing them. Hear that, DDs? It's your own darned fault that I'm making a mess of your ships with my Belfast. That the Belfast is so good at putting the hurt on over extended destroyers is likely going to make her a high priority target when word gets out. The mere presence of this rapid fire cruiser near a cap point can lock down any attempts by the Red team to ninja cap. It becomes suicidal for an enemy destroyer to venture anywhere near the Belfast's zone of control without big guns backing her up. This ship may shake up the current Random Battle meta somewhat. It's certainly going to make playing the lone-wolf destroyer much more difficult. The Belfast counters the Minekaze just as readily as she does the Udaloi and I was very happy to see that consistently in play. The only thing that would make me back off from a destroyer would be a Battleship lurking in the area. But if this capital ship was distracted or more than 14km off from my area of engagement, I was still going to eat me some destroyer goodness. When it came to pelting bigger ships with her guns, the Belfast wasn't anything special. She bombards predictably moving capital ships about as well as you can expect. She'll set a fair number of fires but not a whole lot unless your enemy plays dumb. This can make trying to accumulate high damage totals a bit of a challenge, but it's again just a matter of patience and picking your targets. Your enjoyment of the Belfast will largely be determined if you can make these 152mm guns work. Like many light cruisers, you're dependent on fire damage to maximize your output against Battleships. They're perfectly suitable for blowing up enemy light cruisers and destroyers, however. Would I Recommend? Heh, this is one of those ships that I feel like it doesn't matter what I say, people are still going to grab it. It's the first Royal Navy Cruiser available in the game. On top of that, it's a Premium Cruiser leading the release of the Royal Navy Cruiser line, so people will be wanting to grab her for a training analogue for their Captains. To top it all off, she's a museum ship. This is a difficult ship not to recommend, with the only caveat of course being that if you don't like mid-tier cruiser game play, this ship will not sell you on it. ForRandom Battle Grinding: Mouse: The Belfast is a good Random Battle boat. She can cap and defend. She can harass big ships. She can interdict and assassinate destroyers. Her big weaknesses are, of course, competently played Battleships. You'll also have to worry a bit about good carrier and cruiser players, but not nearly as much as the big capital ships trying to delete you. As she's designed to pick on destroyers, she nets quite a healthy sum of credits and experience for even small damage totals off these fragile boats. When pressured by enemy BBs, however, her performance really starts to hurt as I had to go gun silent to avoid getting obliterated. This in turn really affected my rankings and experience gains. The other thing to consider is that if you go premium consumable heavy (and you can go really heavy in the Belfast), you'll eat into your earnings very significantly which will hurt the rate at which you're grinding credits. Lert: Yeah, Belfast is a fun and comfortable, reliable if fragile, very versatile ship. Smacking destroyers around is not only a lot of fun, but nets you a nice amount of credits and XP as well. Zoup: I find the Belfast to be highly enjoyable in random battles. Despite this, I don’t find that I’m putting the amount of damage out that I would like. I attribute this to the fact that the Belfast has a low burn percentage. It isn’t really a ship that you want to go toe to toe with against Battleships unless their attention is already occupied by other ships. Against other CLs, its more than capable though, with HE or AP. The Belfast has a specific mission, and that is to aide your team by being a destroyer’s worst nightmare. And that is exactly what the Belfast is. You get all the normal goodies that come with premium ships and premium ship camo, but the most important thing is that you have a trainer for the RN cruiser line. I don’t see myself playing the Belfast exclusively over and over in randoms, but I will definitely play it often. It’s fun and offers something different from the other ships in the game. For Competitive Gaming: Mouse: The Belfast would have been a very interesting choice in Season 4 of Ranked Battles, when tier 7 was the top. I don't think she would have been capable of toppling the unfortunate meta that resulted in that season, but she certainly has the concealment and spotting tools to have upset the occasional game. Her lack of any high alpha strike limits her somewhat and her fragility would make her a rewarding target that would no doubt get her focused early when lit. Lert: I can only imagine what havoc a ship as versatile as Belfast would've wrought on the tier 7 portion of the previous ranked battle season. It's almost like this ship was made for competitive play. While she lacks the firepower of larger gunned ships, competitive play ensures that there are teammates with said bigger guns ready to pick up the slack, while you concentrate on spotting and intercepting destroyers and other cruisers. Zoup: The jury is out whether or not the Belfast would have succeeded in the Tier 7 battles from previous ranked gameplay. I’m going to go out on a limb though and say that it would make a good competitive ship. For this basis, I am going to point to the Atago and its stealth capabilities. I believe that it’s the 8.7km concealment that will make the Belfast a valuable ranked cruiser if we ever go back to Tier 7. Its stealth combined with hydro and radar allow it to both cap while defending against enemy destroyers. It has the ability to remain hidden from larger ships by use of low surface concealment and smoke. While it may not have torpedoes and the healing capabilities of the Atago, I feel it is ultimately the Atago’s concealment which helps it to excel in ranked gameplay. The same likely will prove true for the Belfast. Only time will tell. For Collectors: Mouse: She's a museum ship. She's also gorgeous. Absolutely, yes. Lert: This is a storied ship that still exists as a museum ship you can visit to this day. How storied, you ask? She participated in the battle that sunk Scharnhorst as well as being part of the escort fleet to the carriers that launched an attack on Tirpitz that saw the latter disabled and immobilized for several months. Though Belfast never fired on Tirpitz, she did on Scharnhorst and it was her fire combined with that of Norfolk and Sheffield that turned Scharnhorst into the waiting jaws of the heavier task force that eventually sank her. Zoup: This one is easy. Absolutely. She’s dead Sexy and I still remember seeing her sitting on the Thames when I vacationed in England back in 2012. She will be a must buy for many. For Fun Factor: Mouse: The Belfast is a very comfortable ship to play. She has the same foibles as most cruisers -- notably the fragility when Battleships are looking at her. So if that doesn't appeal, I would keep away. But as a light cruiser enthusiast, I really enjoyed her. Lert: She's very comfortable and versatile. You can adapt her to almost any role you could conceivably want a light cruiser to play. If you like cruisers, you'll like Belfast. Zoup: You can customize the Belfast to your hearts desire in more ways than most ships. She's fun to play for the ability to live on the edge of danger with her awesome concealment and destroyer destroying capabilities. Care must be taken though. You're still a cruiser. If you hate taking damage or like to show your broadside often, this ship will make you pay for it. This ship plays like a big destroyer that lacks torpedoes. The fun factor is there indeed. The question is: How long will the novelty of the extra module last, or is this what we should expect with the RN Cruiser line as a whole? Outfitting your Belfast isn't complicated as she doesn't specialize for any role other than "make a destroyer's life miserable" very well. You can try and make her an AA cruiser but she'll never really compete with dedicated AA escorts. Outfitting your Belfast Unlike other cruisers, there aren't multiple builds for the Belfast to allow her to accomplish different rolls. Without access to Defensive Fire, she's never going to be a specialized AA escort. This isn't to say you can't try and improve her anti-aircraft firepower -- it's just not going to have the same effect as it might on a Soviet or American cruiser, for example. Recommended Modules The list of modules to equip your Belfast are pretty straight forward. Do keep in mind that she gets five module upgrade options instead of the normal four found at tier 7. For your first slot, Main Armaments Modification 1 is probably the best choice. This will help keep your four turrets in the game. However, as a Light Cruiser, you have to contend with detonations more frequently than a Heavy Cruiser or Battleship. So Magazine Modification 1 isn't a poor choice. I was detonated once during playtesting by a Fuso AP shell without this mod equipped. For your second slot, you have three choices. Aiming Systems Modification 1 is arguably the most optimal. This will tighten your shell fall and give a slight bump to your secondary performance. Anti Aircraft Modification 2 isn't a great choice but it certainly has its merits. This will extend your AA umbrella up to 6.0km which may cause a CV Captain to pull his planes back. I wouldn't count on it though. Lastly, Main Battery Modification 2 will accelerate her turret rotation from 25.7s for a 180's rotation down to 22.3s. This will cost you some of your DPM, bringing your rate of fire down from 8.0rpm to 7.6rpm. For your third slot, Damage Control System Modifcation 1 is the best choice. They're all pretty terrible really. For your fourth slot, Steering Gears Modification 2 is optimal. This will reduce your rudder shift time from 9.6s to 7.7s. And finally for your fifth slot, there are two interesting choices. Concealment Modification 1 is arguably the best choice. This drops your surface detection range with camouflage from 11.0km down to 9.9km. This will also allow you to fire from stealth at a range of 14.5km. Alternatively, if you want to give her destroyer like turning, take Steering Gears Modification 3. This will reduce your rudder shift from 7.7s to 4.6s. Recommended Consumables You don't have any consumable options for the Belfast, short of deciding if you're going to pay for the premium versions or not. Out of these, Damage Control Party is hands down the best one to take as a premium, as it will help mitigate fires and other critical hits. Taking premium versions of Surveillance Radar and Hydroacoustic Search really only come into play when facing multiple destroyers for an extended period of time. This will reduce their reset timers from 3 minutes down to 2 minutes. Keep in mind that stocking up on premium consumables will quickly eat into any earnings you're making and with four consumable slots, if you went all out, that's a 90,000 credit deficit you need to make back each and every game. Recommended Captain Skills From the first tier, Basic Fire Training is the best choice. This will give a boost to your AA firepower as well as accelerating the reload of your secondaries. From the second tier, you have a choice. Expert Marksman is nice for accelerating the turning speed of your main battery. WIth as much maneuver as you will be doing in the Belfast, this can assist with keeping your guns trained on target, or at least hasten bringing them to bear when re-engaging. Alternatively, Last Stand will help keep your ship operable when taking critical hits to the rudder or engine, which happens often enough in Light Cruisers. From the third tier, there are two very good options. Vigilance will help with spotting the torpedoes launched form the Destroyers you will be pursuing. Alternatively, Superintendent will provide an extra charge for three of your four consumables which is also handy -- especially if you're not taking the premium versions. Unlike most cruisers, it's Demolition Expert which is the hands down best choice at tier 4 for Captain Skills. This will bump up your chance to start a fire with your main battery from 9% to 12% which is huge. Advanced Fire Training is reasonable, but be aware that the AA power of the Belfast will forever be held back by her lack of Defensive Fire. This 20% increase to your range can get her reach out to 7.2km with assistance from the Anti Aircraft Modification 2. In addition, this will bump up your secondary gun range to 6km from stock or 6.3km with Aiming Systems Modification 1 which will come in handy when you're using radar and hydro to flush out destroyers. Finally, at tier 5, Concealment Expert is your best choice. This really puts the Belfast's stealth rating at whole other level, dropping her surface detection range to as low as 8.7km and allowing her to fire from stealth at a range of 13.3km.
  24. This is likely not a popular opinion but I find that I don't have to much issue playing a DD in matches with CVs. A lot of the time they don't primarily target me and I don't have to much issue avoiding rockets and dive bombs. when they do primarily go for me I think it's more of a advantage because that means the enemy CV is distracted with me instead of trying to deal with my whole team.
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