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  1. Entered Service: 1953 The De Zeven Provinciën is an interesting cruiser. She has the firepower of a Tier 9 cruiser, the Anti-Aircraft defenses of a Tier 10 cruiser, but the hull of a Tier 7 cruiser. This proposal will discuss which tiers she could be placed at, and the nerf/buffs she will need in order to fit in at those tiers. As for how players will be able to get her, I would like for this to be the tier 8 or 9 in the Pan-EU CL tech tree, but she might very well be added as a premium ship instead. Survivability: The HP I got when I put the displacement into the formula was 32700, which is quite bad. BUT, most CLs at this tier have their HP bumped up by a few thousand. Worcester, for example, should have 43300 HP using the formula, so I’ll bump the HP to around 35700 HP, which is still not good. Armor: Belt: 50-76mm Citadel Deck: 20mm Deck: 30mm Turrets: 125 or 100mm faces, 50 mm sides. Conning Tower: 125mm. Nose Plating: 25mm First of all, you could probably get away with running the AA survival upgrade on this cruiser. The turrets are basically indestructible. I don’t think any other light cruiser has better turret armor. Secondly, while the 75mm belt might seem terrible at first glance, it's actually not as bad as it seems. Why? Well, consider that the De Zeven Provinciën’s beam is 17.25m, narrower than Smolensk’s hull (17.25 vs 18.1 m. beam), and the belt armor is only 5mm thicker than the Smolensk. What this means is that the De Zeven Provinciën can simply show flat broadside to most BBs and some cruisers at medium to close range and force overpens. Angled, this cruiser is prone to overmatch, due to the poor vertical protection, and poor firing arcs forward. Looking at the shape of the belt armor, it also looks like the ship has the infamous stepped citadel that seem to be designed to catch shells. The 25mm plating will bounce super-cruiser shells if angled, but most BBs will punch straight through. Maneuverability: Speed: 32 knots. Rudder shift: 7.6 s. Turning Circle: 710 m. It’s… ok. Concealment: Detectability by Sea: 13.7 km. Detectability by Air: 8.52 km. This ship may be smaller than most cruisers in the game, but this ship’s superstructure is the definition of a 5head- it's massive, and the antennas and radar equipment tower high above the ship. Main Armament: 4 x 2 Bofors 152mm kanon m/42 Rate of Fire: 15 shots/min. Reload: 4 seconds. 180 Degree Turn Time: 7.2 seconds. Base Firing Range: 17.1 km. Maximum HE shell damage: 2200 Fire Chance: 11% HE Shell Penetration: 30mm. Maximum AP Shell Damage: 3000 Shell Velocity: 900 m/s. The DZP's gun count is quite low for a light cruiser, with only 8 barrels. The fire rate however more than makes up for it. The good range on the DZP can be owed to the advanced and modern fire control systems on it, and the height of the rangefinders, making up for the poor concealment. The Bofors 152mm/53 fires an HE shell with a similar weight to USN HE shells (101 vs 104 Lbs), but with a faster shell velocity (812 vs 900 m/s). This means most players will find that they can comfortably land shells out to 17 km with this ship. The AP shells however are very light, and not likely to have very good penetration or ballistics at range. The firing angles to the front will be poor, but the rearwards firing angles will be quite good + the 180 traverse speed is incredibly fast. The playstyle of the De Zeven Provinciën would most likely be of a mid-to-long range HE spammer because of its weak armor but great firepower, and lack of torpedoes. Torpedo Armament: Nope. Sorry. Anti-Air: 4 x 2 Bofors 152mm kanon m/42 4 x 2 Bofors 57mm/60 M50 8 x 1 Bofors 40mm L/70 Base DPS: 106/456 Range: 6.9/4.0km. Hit Probability: 90% Number of Shell Explosions in a Salvo: 6 Damage by Shell Explosions: 1870 If DZP is put in as a Silver Ship, the ship should not have the 40mm guns put in place until Hull B is bought. This is because the ship didn’t receive them until the early 1960s, according to Navypedia. The Halland, with only 6 40mm and 1 twin 57mm, gets about 347 mid-range DPS, so it makes sense that the AA values here would be insane. With the new +20% AA DPs skill that you can take on cruisers, and the AA module, the DZP can potentially reach over 800 AA DPS. Yeah. European AA is just like that. I still have no idea how AA DPS is calculated, but I made a rudimentary guess using AA values from other Pan-EU ships. (Each 40mm L/70 mount is 47 DPS, and 57mm 67 DPS, that formula gets you 329 DPS on OSter, and 282 on Friesland, so I think it’s accurate). The 57mm guns also bump the mid-range AA to 4.0 km, like on the Halland. Placing her at Tier IX would prevent her from seeing Tier VI planes, but the AA values will need nerfing if she is to be placed at Tier VIII. Either way, carrier players will quickly learn to stay away from the DZP. Consumables: Standard DCP 4 x Repair Party Action Time: 28 s. HP Per Second: + 0.66% Reload Time: 80 s. In order to make up for the low HP pool, the DZP will get a slightly improved Repair Party, like on Colbert and Austin. If it’s placed at Tier VIII then this can be changed to a regular Repair Party. 3 x Hydroacoustic Search Detection of Torpedoes: 3.5 km. Detection of Ships: 5 km. Action Time: 100 s. Reload: 120 s. Having DFAA on this ship would be funny to see, but I think having the highest mid-range DPS in the game is enough for this ship. Still, the cards are on the table for DFAA.
  2. I've seen many proposals for a Pan-EU super-cruiser line, but I've never actually seen a proposal for a Pan-EU CL line that actually convinced me, so I've decided to fix that problem myself. These cruisers will be very squishy, but have great firepower and range for their tier, as well as heals starting early on. On The Topic of Gimmicks: You know, I kind of want this to be just a line that plays it straight: no wacky gimmicks like a reload booster or anything. But seeing as WarGaming has gotten crazier and crazier with their gimmicks lately, I don't think we can have that. The first gimmick that comes to mind is Radar starting from Tier VIII, where the line loses the torpedoes, which I guess fits in with the line, but the game is already so [edited]oversaturated with radar that really I don't think it would be a good idea. But then what else could be added to make the ship line stand out? Give it the Austin treatment? Maybe. But I still want WarGaming to consider just adding a line with no particular gimmick every once in a while, and I think this line is a good candidate for that. Line Overview: Tier II: SMS Novara (1913) Tier III: Spanish cruiser Navarra (1923) Tier IV: HNLMS De Ruyter Tier V: Spanish Cruiser Miguel de Cervantes Tier VI: Greek Cruiser Elli II PREMIUM: Spanish Cruiser Mendez Nunes Tier VII: HSwMS Tre Kronor Tier VIII: Dutch Cruiser De Zeven Provincien Tier IX: Plan F Tier X: Dutch Cruiser Eendracht (Modernized)Tier II: SMS Novara Entered Service: 1915 Survivability: HP: 17900 Armor: Belt: 60 mm. Deck: 20 mm. Turrets: 40 mm faces; 8 mm sides. Conning Tower: 50 mm. Nose: 6 mm. The Novara is decently tanky for a Tier II cruiser. Now, I’m not sure if she has the same armored deck slopes that make other same-tier cruisers so hard to citadel, but if she doesn’t, it will bring her survivability down a bit. Maneuverability: Speed: 27 knots. Rudder shift: 5.4 s. Turning Circle: 450 m. Again, about average maneuverability for a Tier II cruiser. Let’s move on. Concealment: By Sea: 8.5 km Main Armament: 9 x 1 Škoda 10 cm K10 Rate of Fire: 10 shots/min. Reload: 6 seconds. 180 Degree Turn Time: 22.5 seconds. Base Firing Range: 9.5 km. Maximum HE shell damage: 1400 Fire Chance: 6% HE Shell Penetration: 16 mm. Maximum AP Shell Damage: 1700 Shell Velocity: 880 m/s. The guns on Novara are the smallest in her tier, but fire the fastest, setting the player up for the higher tier Cruisers in terms of ROF. Anti-Air: 1 × 7 cm (2.8 in) AA gun 1 × 47 mm (1.9 in) SFK L/44 gun I don’t think a Tier II cruiser should ever be seeing CVs, but since fail-divs exist, the AA here should provide for a nice light show for the CV player to enjoy before dropping the ship. Consumables: Standard DCP That’s it. What? Did you expect DFAA? Tier III: Spanish cruiser Navarra (1936) Survivability: Hull A: 20200 Hull B: 21800 Again, about average for a Tier III cruiser. Armor: Belt: 76 mm. Upper Belt: 13 mm. Deck: 16 mm. Citadel Deck: 76 mm. Turrets: nope. Conning Tower: 152 mm. Nose: 6 mm. This is actually a pretty good armor scheme for a T3 CL. The cruiser basically has an icebreaker; the armor belt stretching all the way to the bow. A 6-inch conning tower seems pretty overkill for crew protection, but whatever. Maneuverability: Speed: 25 knots. Rudder shift: 4.4 s. Turning Circle: 410 m. Don’t get me wrong, 25 knots is on the slower side of most cruisers at this tier, but the good turning circle, rudder shift, and the small size of maps at the Tier II-IV range make it not as big of a deal. It’s also faster than Katori, for whatever that’s worth. Concealment: Detectability by Sea: 11.4 km. Detectability by Air: 6.37 km. The phallic-looking superstructure doesn’t do the Navarra very many favors in terms of concealment. It looks funny though. Main Armament: 6 x 1 152 mm/50 Vickers Mk W Rate of Fire: 6 shots/min. Reload: 10 seconds. 180 Degree Turn Time: 30 seconds. Base Firing Range: 13.9 km. Maximum HE shell damage: 2100 Fire Chance: 8% HE Shell Penetration: 25 mm. Maximum AP Shell Damage: 3000 Shell Velocity: 900 m/s. Secondary Armament: 4 x 1 88 mm/42 SK C/30 Rate of Fire: 15 shots/min. Reload: 4.0 s. Maximum HE Shell Damage: 1000 Fire Chance: 4% Range: 3.2 km. Shell Velocity: 950 m/s. What Navarra gives up in concealment it gains in firing range: the rangefinder is situated at the very top of the tall superstructure, putting the Navarra’s gun range at the very top of all Tier III cruisers. Anti-Air: 4 x 1 88 mm/42 SK C/30 4 x 1 - 20 mm/70 Scotti-Isotta Fraschini M1939 Base DPS: 45/27 Range: 4.6/2.0 km. Hit Probability: 90% Number of Shell Explosions in a Salvo: 1 Damage By Shell Explosions: 1050 At least it has range? Consumables: Standard DCP Tier IV: HNLMS De Ruyter Entered Service: 1936 Survivability: Hull A: 21,600 Hull B: 24,400 Armor: Belt: 50 mm. Upper Belt: 16 mm. Deck: 20 mm. Citadel Deck: 30 mm. Bulkheads: 30 mm. Turrets: 100 mm Faces, 30 mm Sides. Conning Tower: 30 mm. Nose: 13 mm. The De Ruyter is an incredibly squishy cruiser, which means she fits right in among the other Tier IV Cruisers. It is surprisingly enough a straight downgrade from the Tier III though. Maneuverability: Speed: 32 knots. Rudder shift: 6.7 s. Turning Circle: 580 m. A huge upgrade from the Tier III in terms of speed. Concealment: Detectability by Sea: 13.1 km. Detectability by Air: 5.3 km. Just like the ship before, her tall main mast and towers really don’t do her much good in terms of concealment. Main Armament: 3 x 2 150 mm/50 (5.9") Wilton-Fijenoord MK9 1 x 1 150 mm/50 Wilton-Fijenoord MK10 Rate of Fire: 6 shots/min. Reload: 10 s. 180 Degree Turn Time: 22.5 s. Base Firing Range: 15.4 km. Maximum HE Shell Damage: 2100 Fire Chance: 9% HE Shell Penetration: 25 mm. Maximum AP Shell Damage: 3000 Shell Velocity: 900 m/s. One big advantage the De Ruyter has over most of its Tier IV contemporaries is the relatively normal armament layout with superfiring turrets; allowing her to bring all of her guns to bear on a target. Just like the Navarra, the De Ruyter gives up concealment for range: 15.4 km; the highest in its tier, a recurring theme within this line. Anti-Air: 5 x 2 Bofors 40 mm/60 4 x 2 12.7 mm/90 Browning Base DPS: 112/39 Range: 3.5/1.5 km. Hit Probability: 90% Less range and no flak, but higher raw DPS. A good tradeoff. I think. Consumables: Standard DCP 4 x Fighters 3 x Hydroacoustic Search Detection of Torpedoes: 3 km. Detection of Ships: 4 km. Action Time: 100 s. Reload: 120 s. The addition of Fighter aircraft will provide for extra protection from CVs. Tier V: Spanish Cruiser Miguel de Cervantes Entered Service: 1930 Note: Miguel de Cervantes wasn’t the lead ship of her class, but I chose to represent her class in the line because of her more conventional turret layout and her torpedo tube count which is more in line with the tech tree. Survivability: Hull A: 24900 Hull B: 28,000 Armor: Exactly the same as the Emerald’s. Maneuverability: Speed: 33 knots. Rudder shift: 7.6 s. Turning Circle: 720 m. Again, almost the exact same as Emerald’s, although Emerald has the improved acceleration dynamics. Concealment: Detectability by Sea: 11.6 km. Detectability by Air: 4.8 km. Main Armament: 4 x 2 152 mm/50 Vickers Mk 2 Rate of Fire: 7 shots/min. Reload: 8.5 s. 180 Degree Turn Time: 22.5 s. Base Firing Range: 15.3 km. Maximum HE Shell Damage: 2100 Fire Chance: 9% HE Shell Penetration: 25 mm. Maximum AP Shell Damage: 3200 Shell Velocity: 900 m/s. Not only does she have more barrels than Emerald, she can also bring all of them to bear to fire because of her conventionally arranged superfiring turrets. She does, however, fire slightly slower than the Emerald. Torpedo Armament: 2 x 3 533 mm TT. Reload: 80 s. Maximum Damage: 11967 Speed: 59 knots Range: 6.0 km. I can’t actually find any info on what torpedoes the Spanish used for these ships, so I just took them from Emerald. Anti-Air: 8 x 2 - 37/83 SK C/30 5 x 4 - 20 mm/65 C/38 Base DPS: 49/112 Range: 3.5/2.0 km. Hit Probability: 90% The AA mounts on the Miguel are more numerous, and the short range aura is much more potent, but the German 37 mm gun is just such a poor AA mount that even though it has 6 more barrels the mid-range DPS drops by more than half. Consumables: Standard DCP 4 x Fighters 3 x Hydroacoustic Search Detection of Torpedoes: 3 km. Detection of Ships: 4 km. Action Time: 100 s. Reload: 120 s. 3 x Repair Party Action Time: 28 s. HP per Second: +0.5% Reload Time: 80 s. Similar to the RN Cruisers, the Pan-EU cruisers will get a heal starting from Tier V. Tier VI: Greek Cruiser Elli II Survivability: Hull A: 25600 HP Hull B: 29500 HP. Armor: Functionally the same as the Duca D’Aosta. Look, it’s a Duca with a heal and a hydro. The torps will only be 8 km, and the reload will be 8 seconds instead of 7.5, so this ship doesn't powercreep Duca out of existence. Lets move on. Tier VII: HSwMS Tre Kronor Entered Service: 1947 Survivability: Hull A: 26800 Hull B: 30700 Artificially massaged by a few thousand for balance’s sake. Armor: Belt: 70 mm. Upper Belt: 16 mm. Deck: 25 mm. Citadel Deck: 30 mm. Bulkheads: 30 mm. Turrets: 127 mm Faces, 50 mm Sides. Conning Tower: 25 mm. Nose: 16 mm. Tre Kronor’s armor is functionally the same as Smolensk’s armor while having around the same width (16m). You can see where that’s going. The Tre Kronor can basically sail flat broadside to any high-tier, high-pen BB, like the French (or Musashi), and receive only minimal overpen damage. Maneuverability: Speed: 33 knots. Rudder shift: 7.2 s. Turning Circle: 660 m. Concealment: Detectability by Sea: 11.8 km. Detectability by Air: 8.53 km. Main Armament: 2 x 2, 1 x 3 Bofors 152 mm/53 Kanon m/42 Rate of Fire: 15 shots/min. Reload: 4 s. 180 Degree Turn Time: 21.9 s. Base Firing Range: 16.7 km. Maximum HE Shell Damage: 2200 Fire Chance: 11% HE Shell Penetration: 25 mm. Maximum AP Shell Damage: 3100 Shell Velocity: 900 m/s. While Tre Kronor only has 7 guns, a pretty underwhelming number at a Tier where most CLs receive 12 - 15 barrels, she makes up for that with her insane reload of just 4 seconds, giving her almost unparalleled DPM at her tier, beaten only by Helena Torpedo Armament: 2 x 3 533 mm TT Reload: 70 s. Maximum Damage: 10700 Speed: 76 knots Range: 10 km. Swedish ship, Swedish meme torpedoes. You know how this works. Their extremely fast speed and reload, plus their long range gives her torpedoes much more utility than other cruisers at her tier, but the low alpha strike and tube count makes the Tre Kronor an extremely poor brawler. Also, this is the last ship in the line with torps, so enjoy them here while you can. Anti-Air: Here's where we run into some problems. Pre-refit, the Tre Kronor had an already impressive array of over 20 40 mm Bofors in 10 twin mounts, which by itself would have given her one of the most impressive AA suites at her tier. But post refit Tre Kronor has an AA suite of eleven single mount Bofors 40 mm L/70 and four single mount Bofors 57 mm. Without even taking the 57 mm guns into account, the 40 mm mounts would generate a mid-range aura of 517 DPS. That is more DPS than what the Minotaur generates. THIS IS WITHOUT TAKING THE 57 mm GUNS INTO ACCOUNT. Oh yeah, and the 6 inch guns were DP. Since it causes me actual physical pain to nerf ship performance from historical levels, I will leave the DPS values where they are now, but please know: these values will never make it into the game as is. This goes for every ship proposed in this line from here on out. Also, the superstructures on each hull will be different. Hull A: 2 x 2, 1 x 3 Bofors 152 mm/53 Kanon m/42 10 x 2 40 mm Bofors L/60 7 x 1 20 mm/66 Oerlikon M36 Base DPS: 92.2/198.33/53.2 Range: 6.9/3.5/2.0 km. Hit Probability: 90% Hull B: 2 x 2, 1 x 3 Bofors 152 mm/53 Kanon m/42 11 x 1 40 mm Bofors L/70 4 x 1 Bofors 57 mm/60 Bofors M50 Base DPS: 92.2/681 Range: 6.9/4.0 km. Hit Probability: 90% Number of Shell Explosions in a Salvo: 5 Damage by Shell Explosions: 1870 At least it doesn’t have a short-range aura. Consumables: Standard DCP 3 x Hydroacoustic Search Detection of Torpedoes: 3 km. Detection of Ships: 4 km. Action Time: 100 s. Reload: 120 s. 3 x Repair Party Action Time: 28 s. HP Per Second: + 0.5% Reload Time: 80 s. Well, at least it doesn’t have a fighter. Now THAT would have made the AA capabilities too OP /s. Tier VIII: Dutch Cruiser De Zeven Provincien Entered Service: 1953 This is pretty much just a copy-paste of my posts on reddit and this forum, with a few tweaks. Also, you convinced me @Lert, it's a Tier VIII ship. Happy? Survivability: Hull A: 28900 HP Hull B: 32700 HP Armor: Belt: 50-76mm Upper Belt: 25 mm. Citadel Deck: 20mm Deck: 30mm Turrets: 125 or 100mm faces, 50 mm sides. Conning Tower: 125mm. Nose Plating: 25mm First of all, you could probably get away with running the AA survival upgrade on this cruiser. The turrets are basically indestructible. I don’t think any other light cruiser has better turret armor. Secondly, while the 75mm belt might seem terrible at first glance, it's actually not as bad as it seems. Why? Well, consider that the De Zeven Provinciën’s beam is 17.25m, similar to Smolensk’s hull (17.25 vs 16 m. beam), and the belt armor is only at most 5 mm thicker than the Smolensk. What this means is that the De Zeven Provinciën can simply show flat broadside to most BBs and some cruisers at medium to close range and force overpens. That being said though, the ship still doesn't have that much HP, so it is still best for the player to avoid getting shot in general, whether that be through island humping or through skillful use of rudder. This cruiser is also prone to overmatch, due to the poor vertical protection, and poor firing arcs forward. The 25mm plating will bounce super-cruiser shells if angled, but most BBs will punch straight through. The belt armor implies that the cruiser has a stepped citadel, like the RN Cls, but the actual blueprints say that it's nearly at the waterline, so who really knows? Maneuverability: Speed: 34 knots. Rudder shift: 6.7 s. Turning Circle: 690 m. It’s ok. Turning circle and rudder shift times are actually quite good. The DZP was designed for only 32 knots, but since she managed 34 knots in her speed trials, we'll go with that number, for balance's sake. Concealment: Detectability by Sea: 13.7 km. Detectability by Air: 8.52 km. This ship may be smaller than most cruisers in the game, but this ship’s superstructure is the definition of a 5head- it's massive, and the antennas and radar equipment tower high above the ship. With the concealment upgrade, CE, and a camo, the concealment drops to 10.8 km, while the concealment by air drops to 6.9 km. Main Armament: 4 x 2 Bofors 152 mm/53 kanon m/42 Rate of Fire: 15 shots/min. Reload: 4 seconds. 180 Degree Turn Time: 21.9 seconds. Base Firing Range: 17.1 km. Maximum HE shell damage: 2200 Fire Chance: 11% HE Shell Penetration: 30 mm. Maximum AP Shell Damage: 3100 Shell Velocity: 900 m/s. The Bofors 152 mm were fully automatic, giving the DZP exactly 264,00 HE DPM, the highest in her tier (20k more than Cleveland, the current highest.). The gun had dual ammunition hoists which supplied AA (HE) and AP shells at different rates (15 vs. 10 RPM). This actually isn’t reflected in-game, but is a nice bit of trivia. The good range on the DZP can be owed to the advanced and modern fire control systems on it, and the height of the rangefinders, making up for the poor concealment. The Bofors 152mm/53 fires an HE shell with a similar weight to USN HE shells (101 vs 104 Lbs), but with a faster shell velocity (812 vs 900 m/s). This means most players will find that they can land shells relatively comfortably out to 17 km with this ship, but the firing arcs will likely still allow the player to fire over islands. The AP shells also are fired at 900 m/s, but are lighter than AP shells fired by most of the other cruisers, meaning they would a lot of their speed at range. The firing angles to the front are fine, but are worse when kiting. The playstyle of the De Zeven Provinciën would most likely be of a mid-to-long range HE spammer because of its weak armor but great firepower, and lack of torpedoes; using it's great rudder shift and turning circle to bait and dodge shells. Anti-Air: 4 x 2 Bofors 152 mm/53 kanon m/42 4 x 2 Bofors 57mm/60 M50 8 x 1 Bofors 40mm L/70 Base DPS: 106/628 Range: 6.9/4.0km. Hit Probability: 90% Number of Shell Explosions in a Salvo: 5 Damage by Shell Explosions: 1870 152mm guns are DP, capable of elevating to 60 degrees, and were radar-guided. With the new +20% AA DPs skill that you can take on cruisers, the DZP can potentially reach over 700 mid-range AA DPS. The 57 mm guns also bump the mid-range AA to 4.0 km, like on the Halland. Carrier players will quickly learn to stay away from the DZP. Consumables: Standard DCP 3 x Repair Party Action Time: 28 s. HP Per Second: + 0.66% Reload Time: 80 s. Starting from the Tier VIII, all ships will get the improved heal found on Colbert and Austin. 3 x Hydroacoustic Search Detection of Torpedoes: 3.5 km. Detection of Ships: 5 km. Action Time: 100 s. Reload: 120 s. Tier IX: Plan F (Kijkduin) https://www.nationaalarchief.nl/onderzoeken/archief/4.MST/invnr/3333/file/NL-HaNA_4.MST_3333 Here unfortunately, we start going into paper ships with a bit of fantasy added. The plans for this ship were real, but the amount of information on it are very limited Survivability: The amount the ship would’ve displaced is not mentioned in the plans, but we can speculate on it a bit: It would’ve had almost the exact same dimensions as the DZP, but with a different armament. So we can expect just a few-hundred ton difference between the two ships. Hull A: 32800 HP Hull B: 35700 HP Armor: Again, no armor is listed in the plan, but we can assume it’s the same as the DZP’s armor scheme. Maneuverability: Speed: 33 knots. Rudder shift: 6.9 s. Turning Circle: 680 m. Concealment: Detectability by Sea: 13.9 km. Detectability by Air: 8.52 km. Main Armament: 3 x 3 Bofors 152 mm/53 kanon m/42 Rate of Fire: 15 shots/min. Reload: 4 seconds. 180 Degree Turn Time: 21.9 seconds. Base Firing Range: 17.5 km. Maximum HE shell damage: 2200 Fire Chance: 11% HE Shell Penetration: 30 mm. Maximum AP Shell Damage: 3100 Shell Velocity: 900 m/s. You would think that one extra barrel won’t contribute much to the DPM, but with this rate of fire, it absolutely does. With 9 barrels firing away at 15 rounds per minute, the Kijkduin has a HE DPM of 292,000, completely unparalleled at the tier. Anti-Air: The AA suite is one of the only things listed on the plans. It calls for 14 x 40 mm Bofors mounts, most likely in twin mounts, and 8 x 12.7 mm machine guns. This would be a considerable downgrade from the previous Tier, but this is a mid-40’s proposal, so had it been built the Dutch would likely have completely replaced this suite by the 50s. For now, I will just fill it in with the DZP’s suite, but if anyone more well versed in Dutch shipbuilding practices could suggest something better, I would love to hear it. 3 x 3 Bofors 152 mm/53 kanon m/42 4 x 2 Bofors 57mm/60 M50 8 x 1 Bofors 40mm L/70 Base DPS: 112.2/628 Range: 6.9/4.0km. Hit Probability: 90% Number of Shell Explosions in a Salvo: 6 Damage by Shell Explosions: 1870 Consumables: Standard DCP 4 x Repair Party Action Time: 28 s. HP Per Second: + 0.66% Reload Time: 80 s. An extra charge. 3 x Hydroacoustic Search Detection of Torpedoes: 3.5 km. Detection of Ships: 5 km. Action Time: 100 s. Reload: 120 s. Tier X: Dutch Cruiser Eendracht The original proposal for the Endrachts would have made for a good Tier VI, but I think a heavily modernized version of it can make for a great Tier X. I know the DZPs were literally modernized Eendrachts, but whatever. We can think of this ship as just an alternate DZP, if that makes you feel any better about it. Survivability: HP: 39200 The Eendrachts as proposed actually displaced less than the DZPs ended up displacing due to the large amount of modern radars, FCS, and electronics put on the DZP. BUT, a modernized Eendracht with those same systems probably would have displaced even more because of the extra barrels and thicker belt armor. Armor: Belt: 100 - 75 mm. Upper Belt: 25 mm. Citadel Deck: 25 mm. Deck: 30 mm Turrets: 100mm faces, 50 mm sides. Conning Tower: 100 mm. Nose Plating: 25mm In theory a 100 mm belt should be better than DZP’s 76 mm belt, but in WoWs it isn’t. The extra thickness just means less of a chance for BBs to overpen your citadel, which is kind of a stupid concept, but I guess this is just an arcade game. Maneuverability: Speed: 32 knots. Rudder shift: 6.6 s. Turning Circle: 660 m. Concealment: Detectability by Sea: 13.5 km. Detectability by Air: 8.52 km. Main Armament: 2 x 3, 2 x 2 Bofors 152 mm/53 kanon m/42 Rate of Fire: 15 shots/min. Reload: 4 seconds. 180 Degree Turn Time: 21.9 seconds. Base Firing Range: 17.3 km. Maximum HE shell damage: 2200 Fire Chance: 11% HE Shell Penetration: 30 mm. Maximum AP Shell Damage: 3100 Shell Velocity: 900 m/s. With 10 6-inch barrels, the Eendracht has a HE DPM of exactly 330,000. Though that is 11k less than Worcester's DPM, she makes up for it with better shell arcs. Anti-Air: 2 x 3, 2 x 2 Bofors 152 mm/53 kanon m/42 4 x 2 Bofors 57mm/60 M50 8 x 1 Bofors 40mm L/70 Base DPS: 129.6/628 Range: 6.9/4.0km. Hit Probability: 90% Number of Shell Explosions in a Salvo: 6 Damage by Shell Explosions: 1870 Again, if any history buffs want to give me suggestions on how to make this different to the DZP, I’m all ears. On torpedoes: yes, the original proposal for the Eendrachts did call for 2 x 3 Torpedoes, but a 1950s refit of them would almost certainly have taken them off the ship. Consumables: Standard DCP 4 x Repair Party Action Time: 28 s. HP Per Second: + 0.66% Reload Time: 80 s. 3 x Hydroacoustic Search Detection of Torpedoes: 3.5 km. Detection of Ships: 5 km. Action Time: 100 s. Reload: 120 s. Premium(s) Tier VI Spanish Light Cruiser Méndez Núñez Survivability: HP: 21200 The Mendez Nunez is an incredibly squishy cruiser, having the lowest HP pool in its tier. Armor: Belt: 76 mm. Upper Belt: 13 mm. Citadel Deck: 25 mm. Deck: 16 mm Nose Plating: 13 mm. Again, incredibly squishy. What's new? Maneuverability: Speed: 29 knots. Rudder Shift: 6.4 seconds Turning Circle: 550 m. She is very slow for a Tier VI cruiser. She makes up for this with a tight turning circle and a good rudder shift time. Concealment: Detectability by Sea: 10.78 km. Detectability by Air: 6.44 The Mendez Nunez is a very stealthy cruiser, owing to her short superstructure. Main Armament: 8 x 1 120 mm/45 Vickers Mk F Rate of Fire: 20 shots/min. Reload: 3 seconds. 180 Degree Turn Time: 9.0 seconds. Base Firing Range: 13.2 km. Maximum HE shell damage: 1700 Fire Chance: 7% HE Shell Penetration: 20 mm. Maximum AP Shell Damage: 2100 Shell Velocity: 853 m/s. Her broadside DPM (Her turrets were arranged in a similar way as Atlanta's, meaning she could only fire 7 guns to a broadside) is 238,000, the best in tier. However, the HE shell she fired was very light (22 kg), meaning her shell arcs won't be very good. Anti-Air: 8 x 1 120 mm/45 Vickers Mk F 4 x 2 37 mm/83 4 x 4 20 mm/65 C/38 7 x 1 20 mm/70 Base DPS: 138/17/102 Range: 5.8/3.5/2.0 km. Hit Probability: 90% Number of Shell Explosions in a Salvo: 5 Damage by Shell Explosions: 1870 The long-range aura is incredibly potent at Tier VI: throwing up 5 flak bursts a salvo and good DPS alongside that. The mid-range aura consists of the infamous 37 mm cannon, which is just a terrible AA weapon. The short-range aura is pretty good, but very limited in range. Overall, a very good AA suite. Consumables: Standard DCP 4 x DFAA 3 x Hydroacoustic Search Detection of Torpedoes: 3.5 km. Detection of Ships: 4 km. Action Time: 100 s. Reload: 120 s. Recommended Builds for the Line: Incoming Fire Alert: The incredibly squishy nature of this line means that knowing when someone has fired on you is always an incredibly valuable piece of information. Expert AA Marksman: This skill is basically a 25% boost to your AA. And it is a flat buff. AR and SE: AR is just such a great skill to have on any ship. As for SE, I have found that while playing the Colbert with the same improved heal, I never actually used more than the four heals that came with the ship, so the HP pool buff was far more useful. IFHE: So you can pen more than 32 mm. CE: Concealment. AA Gunner: Because I hate planes.
  3. First of all, if this topic does not correspond to this section, mods, feel free to move it to the one you think is convenient, thanks. Well folks, it's official: I’m creating this topic to share my work, which I have been doing for a long time and I would like you to know a little about it. I have been working on what it would be, a recreation of ships belonging to the small navies, considering that now WG has its plans in the Pan-American and Pan-European branches, and for now I am focused on the battleships (and with time, it will be about other type of ships and from major nations). Taking into account the time it takes to create each model, I decided to show in this topic, how they evolve until its completion, and in this case, it will be about the battleships of the Rivadavia class, which, later and in its own section, we will talk about how to implement it in the game. We know what is essential to be able to recreate these kind of things, and they are the blueprints. WG needs all the necessary material, ranging from the blueprints to photographs and reports, but all that take time, and that time must be used to get the information, analyze it and then recreate it in a 3D model, which must then be submitted to quality controls, implemented in the game and be tested. In the case of the Rivadavia battleships, I have done everything in my power to be able to recreate this class, using only a simple bleprint with the ship's baselines (since it is impossible for me to find full blueprints, from a Argentine source or from the Fore River Shipyard, in USA). That, and a varied amount of historical photographs of Rivadavia and Moreno, which show that both ships carry with them subtle differences, which, I will reproduce as best I can. Of course, to recreate both ships will be a somewhat complicated task, for now, I hope to be able to correct certain flaws in the model (especially the hull, in the bow section) and hope this can also be used as “another reference source" for our developers and a future source of work for me (something that I hope may happen in the near future). But for now, I will be happy if this could end being something useful for WG and for the whole community. That said, here the current state of Rivadavia (which is show with a mixed appearance of 1935 and the end of its years of service, in addition, the bridge is more similar to the one used on Moreno). Each component modeled so far was made from cero and based on that general plan and several photographs that I used as a graphic reference. There you can compare a photograph of the Rivadavia bridge with the modeling by me. You will notice a certain difference, since it was created using the bridge of Moreno. Detail of the feathers for the boats. It is quite difficult to find a photograph that shows each aspect well in detail, but this is better than nothing at the moment. For now, that's the overall progress, and here you'll see, what I'm working on right now: Vickers-Odero Terni Mod 1929 AA guns, from the Heavy Cruisers Veinticinco de Mayo and Almirante Brown, which were installed in Rivadavia and Moreno. The model created is based on a surviving piece, exhibited in a Naval Museum, in Buenos Aires. Well, I hope you liked it and find it useful. Soon, I will update the progress in Rivadavia and also in other vessels in this topic. See you Captains!
  4. So early bits of information from WG's Gamescom presentation are coming in. A Pan-EU line has been confirmed, and a possibility of additional RN DDs as well. UPDATE 1: Quotes from Mr. Conway on Reddit: UPDATE 2: Quote from Ev1n on Reddit: Personal Note: I'm not sure if the RN DD line is referencing possible Pan-EU DD line choices that aren't copy/paste/edited versions from the RN DD tree, or means that a possible RN DD split could happen later on, after all the main lines are out.
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