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  1. I'm just pretty curious, as we just got the Pan-America, That's now 5 navies that do not have unique commanders. (Pan-Asia, Common Wealth, Italian, Polish, Pan-American) Would they be worth adding to this game? If so, what nations would get them? What type of benefits would you think they would receive? I would personally love seeing a Unique Pan-Asia commander being added... and even more of a stretch a unique commonwealth commander lol
  2. Maybe I'll ascend the line after all....
  3. Custom Flag Mods

    I see Aslain has added two flag mods: Chinese server and Pan-Asia to Taiwan. Maybe this will help ease some of the Asian flags conflict. The Chinese server mod converts national flags into generic versions. I know we're getting a flags option in the game later. Personally I don't pay much attention to the national flags. It might be better if WG left this in the mods realm.
  4. Do you think PAN-ASIA is breaking the balance of game? After reading the configuration of the new PAN-ASIA DD, I totally lost my interest to event try a game as I am sure there will be tons of PAN-ASIA DD in game. It is have good concealment with a good gun, heavy damage torpedoes with extreme smokes, good speed. Whats the bad of it? I totally can't find. Is that mean every player should just go for it and dump all the other lines? Wargaming is making me very disappointing that totally breaking the game balance...
  5. The Upcoming Pan-Asia line

    As we all are aware; the new Pan-Asia line is coming. It is currently in the works and right now i figure would be the best time to chime in and get some of the concerns i can see cropping up and trying to nip as much of the heart ache in the bud as possible. Grab a snack,tank up your drinks because this may get long and wordy(ha ha Weird Al joke). Don't worry solutions will follow with the points. TL DR for those who want a simple version condensed into a couple of sentences below. Disclaimer!: Bear in mind this is what I can see from my own perspective and what WG has done in the past with "Balancing the lines" and new line launches. TL : DR = take great care when developing this new line..please don't make it suck so we don't have to play the sir foch or Ichase card or make it so OP it snuffs out the other DD lines. 1. Deep water torpedoes - The Bane of the BBabies; hard to see,hard to evade,potentially fast and with long reach, and going to hit harder than Charlie Sheen while on a bender. We all know the BBabies are going to cry salty salty tears over this idea with the aforementioned points above. If not balanced correctly this can backfire very very badly; BBs will become a rare sight to see,the forums will be ablaze with nerf this,take away that,add this, and do that. its a song and dance that doesn't end well for anyone. Solutions - If your going deep (hahaha thats what she said!) then slow is the way to go. Not USN slow...but not IJN fast..about what you get from the French..a nice 60kts underwater. With range..about a medium range..7-9km should be plenty. Similar to KM Steinbutt torpedoes..a bit faster,similar damage with longer reach but a pain to see coming. 2. Detection - From the looks of these ships these will have similar detection range to the IJN line. While nice having 2 stealth lines,a mid grade and 2 gunboat lines if Pan-Asia does keep that cloak with DWTs its going to be a nightmare mixed with a fever dream and a severe acid trip. If its going that way IJN line will be useless..no one will play them save for the lower tiers and that's it..no more Shimakaze,Yugumo,Atkatsuki,Kagero..you won't see a high tier IJN DD unless someone (like me) is a masochist for punishment or plays them on a god tier level (Flamu). Solution - Pan-Asia shouldn't be seen from miles out like Khaba,it shouldn't be able to sneak up on you like a Kagero,nor should it be a KM or USN clone..i think 7km plus change should be good..nice and flexible..you can still torp from outside detect range,you can still operate your main battery for self defense or distract someone. 3. Main battery - Going from what I can see looks like 127/130s are going on; standard staple. USN grade guns with DWTs would make most lines obsolete in a single stroke; you can fight with your main battery and do some real damage,set people on fire, and pelt them to death with SMG RoF all while your tubes are reloading. IJN grade would turn into a discount IJN line, we have the split so a 3rd would be just redundant. Km grade means IFHE built in,hyper accurate and again much like the USN rapid fire SMG of death would be OP. Solution - make em like USSR 130s..nice long reach,a bit slower to reload,they can hit hard, reasonably accurate. Just take down the fire chance a bit on the HE shells,bump the AP to where it can be useful for use against CLs that broadside inside of 8km and you have yourselves a jack of all trades DD right there. 4. Smoke - If its going to have USN grade smoke,slow,sticks around like a good meal,and lasts longer than a cuban cigar..thats a problem. a DD with DWT and that kind of smoke is just going to clean house..all sorts of krakens,high calibers,confederates will be printed out like they are mere dollar store trinkets. We also don't want IJN or USSR smoke..5 puffs and a minute later its gone. We also don't want it to light up as often as a USSR DD can (Stalin would chain smoke pipes..use 1 up onto the next) Solution - Hybrid smoke..USN action duration,USSR hang time, IJN cool down, you get a long smoke trail,it hangs around for a bit but you can't use it again for a couple of minutes. Final thoughts - While we do have the super testers to give a good gauge to how powerful or weak a new line is;its simply won't be enough testing. The test server is there for a reason..i suggest you use that test server to the fullest capacity. A full shakedown test period before launch..a month and a half on the test servers should give reasonable feedback and suggestions to ensure this line isn't OP please nerf into the ground or so weak it turns into the KM DD disaster again. Do your OP SEC (step into the good players and average players shoes..look at it from our side of the fence before releasing into the wilds of WoWS. (Insert GZ vitriol here) with great care, take feedback a bit more serious.. all of us here love this game..we want this game to succeed..we want to have fun..we want you guys at the office to be of open mind and ears..but most of all..we don't want a dud line that gets nerfed into hell two weeks later! We also don't want to make you guys at the office suffer..we don't want to make your jobs any harder than what they are now.
  6. Can anyone explain to me the sense of having a Pan-Asia line of destroyers? If Pan-Asia is going to be a separate faction in the game, why is Japan not included? Wargaming just offended all of its Japanese players by disqualifying them from being Asians. And you know how Japanese are sensitive about offense, face and honor. The Pan-Asia line needs to be folded into the Japanese tech tree. It only makes complete sense. First of all, Japan is a part of Asia as mentioned earlier. Secondly, the entire concept of Pan-Asia or Greater Asia was an idea promulgated by the Japanese during World War II. To encourage collaborators from their occupied territories, the Japanese began labelling their empire "The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere." Conquest by the Japanese was sold to the occupied people as "empowering" and "uniting" them into a power that could stand up to the Western powers. From wikipedia "[The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere] was declared with the intention to create a self-sufficient "bloc of Asian nations led by the Japanese and free of Western powers". It was announced in a radio address entitled "The International Situation and Japan's Position" by Foreign Minister Hachirō Arita on June 29, 1940. Policy theorists who conceived it, as well as the vast majority of the Japanese population at large, largely saw it for its pan-Asian ideals of freedom and independence from Western colonial oppression." As you can see from the picture below, of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere (i.e. the Japanese Empire) at its greatest extent, it included all the nations in the Pan-Asia line plus Japan, e.g. Thailand, Taiwan, Korea, the coasts of China, Indonesia. Thirdly, from a gameplay and quality of life perspective having Pan-Asian ships in the Japanese tech tree would be the preferable option. Wargaming loves selling people premium ships, right? Well, players could use the infinitely superior Japanese premium ships (Kii, Atago, etc.) to train their Pan-Asia ship captains, boosting sales of these premium ships. Wargaming, you do love money right? Well, you would be losing money if you made Pan-Asia a separate faction in the game. As you can see, there is no logical explanation for having a separate Pan-Asia tech tree/nation. So Wargaming, please make it so and fold the planned Pan-Asian destroyer line into the Japanese tech tree. After all, is Japan not known for its folded steel? I'm sure Yuro will agree.
  7. Disclaimer: This article contains historical politics that is solely for documentary studies only & must not be taken too personal. The political elements in it may potentially get into a heated debate, and the moderators have the rights to close down this thread should the debate is getting out of hands. And so, the audiences are advised to read it at their own discretion. Abstract Introduction By the time WG announced & released a sneak peek of the Pan-Asian destroyer line recently, it appears that the line fills with warships from a various few Asian nations, with the Republic of China/Taiwanese Navy representing majority of the line – six out of ten destroyers, whilst there are other four Asian nations each presenting a single destroyer – Thailand, People’s Republic of China, Republic of Indonesia & South Korea/Republic of Korea. For us, it seems like Pan-Asia is going to be a unique multiculturally diverse faction, with diversity being its primary feature. But if you consider a bigger picture, they aren’t as entirely united as you would think due to some differences between each other, somethings that drew lines upon themselves. Pan-Asian lore from cultural & historical perspective One would wonder what defines Pan-Asia for Asia itself. For starter, to recognize the concept of Pan-Asia, one must first understand the Eastern Asian histories in both aspects of cultures, philosophies & societies. At first, one would blatantly think Pan-Asia is merely the made-up supranational union of Far East Asia mainly consist of mainland China, Taiwan & Korea (minus Democratic People’s Republic of Korea/North Korea), let alone the pre-1945 Japan. But since both Thailand & Indonesia from the South-East Asia are also included in the category of Pan-Asia, then the conceptual view on Pan-Asia must be broadened to a wider spectrum. In terms of culture, they both shared some similar cultural values, customs & philosophies such as the spiritual practice of animism & Buddhism, shared some similar religion-based mythologies like dragons as a mythical creature, valuing family customs & lineages, as well as the societies of respective nations, more or less, mutually functioned under the same social caste hierarchy in history of their respective civilizations. However, given both Thailand & Indonesia also have practiced Hinduism for centuries even before Islam from the Middle-East expand its influence on both China & South-East Asia, that further expands the inclusion of the Indian civilization into the sphere of Pan-Asia concept. Meaning both India & Pakistan of South Asia may be included as well, as the Indian civilization also defines one of the roots of Asian cultures too. After all, in history, both China & India are the two great & ancient civilizations in Asia that actively engaged in economic trading & marketing, political & religious diplomacies, even cultural exchanges between two Asian giants & the other Asian locals. Most South-East Asian countries inherited some relics & old architectures rooted from both Chinese & Indian related cultures such as of Hindu-Buddhist in origin as concrete evidences of their existential influences on them. Pan-Asian lore from geopolitical & power politics perspective But unfortunately, the concept of Pan-Asia from the historical perspective is vague as neither are necessarily united for solidarity, because both have evolved its own cultures, religions, traditions, societies, politics, philosophies & their own heritages differently from each other to define its own national identities. As such, that in turn leads to what really defines Pan-Asia, is through the geopolitical standpoints on the Eastern Asian World in general, of which came into full circle amid the Cold War when all have achieved independence & effectively became independent nations since then. It all began from the creation of the idea of Pan-Asianism ideology as a mean to unify all Asian people with the motivation of empowering Asian values over Western values & resist against Western imperialism & colonialism. The Pan-Asianism movement was first championing by Japan after their triumphant against the Russian Empire in the Russo-Japanese War 1904-1905; followed by an honorary famed Chinese revolutionist, Sun Yat-Sen, who advocated for solidarity with Asian people across Asia, right after his successful revolution to overthrow the corrupt Qing Dynasty leadership on 1911 & established the republic government system on mainland China. Through China & Japan, they both have inspired other Asian countries to advocate resistance movements against Western imperialists, while Thailand remained untouched by any Western powers. Until when Japan annexed “Corea” & later decided to occupy both China & the rest of Eastern Asia a couple of decades later under the pretext of their radical version of Pan-Asian ideology for their own gain in the form of “Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere”, the Japanese vulgar treachery has left a bad taste on the preposterous utopia of Pan-Asianism among most Eastern Asian countries. For that, most Asians changed their minds & decided to revolt against the Japanese occupation until 1945. In other words, that has become the turning point of the geopolitical concept of Pan-Asianism evolved from anti-Western colonial nationalism to a collective radical nationalism movement to liberate against all sorts of foreign invaders from completely subjugating their beloved countries into a vassal states to any empires, with strong sense of patriotism. After WWII & later the advent of the Cold War, the Pan-Asian geopolitics took another turn of evolution with the rise of power politics come to play along with the emergence of the United States & the Soviet Union as the world’s polar superpowers. Instead of isolationism, most Eastern Asian countries began to make their choices of taking side between capitalism led by the United States & communism led by the Soviet Union. Since 1945, many events happened in many Asian countries with the rise of nationalism movements looming across Asia to fight for independence against the West that still occupying their countries even after when WWII ended, even if through bloodshed was inevitable. Lists of Cold War event occurred in Asia: However, there were some Asian countries ultimately decided to be neutral & chose to take the “middle path” between two competing geopolitical ideologies, which has also demonstrated by the listed countries that have went through a few “flip-flop” political maneuvers. Interestingly, the impact of cultural change in many Asian societies were little to none. Political change did not disrupt the harmony of the people & societies negatively. Meaning majority of the Asian people in many Asian countries are ideologically flexible, it could be true if consider the fact that their ancestors came from developed civilizations with a robust social hierarchy with its people were mostly being conservative in nature for centuries, as they used to be ruled under their kings or even emperors. And so, despite the political shifts, they are more tolerant & easier to adapt changes without sacrificing the people’s way of life. It is something the West can never have or fully understand. Moreover, countries with different political backgrounds are sometimes easier to get along & work together diplomatically among Asia compare to the West. For example, ASEAN was established with the idea of Pan-Asianism in the South-East Asia in mind, even though it was originally founded out with the fear of communism & hungry for economic development during the Cold War. But when the Cold War ended, communistic countries like Laos & Vietnam joined ASEAN in the 90s, and the two are more than eager to be open with their capitalist neighbours & work collectively on common interests as well as maintaining regional peace. Even more so when ASEAN began to bring in China along with Japan & South Korea, and later India, Australia & New Zealand to work together. Furthermore, there is the Non-Aligned Movement that was ironically founded & established in Serbia of the former Yugoslavia in 1961, of which many Asian countries (except China, Taiwan, Japan & South Korea) joins the movement to be politically neutral in power politics. India’s Nehru & Indonesia’s Sukarno were among the five founding fathers of NAM, with the former established the Panchsheel (five restraints) pillars as a guide for China-India relations, were as well served as the fundamental basis of the NAM’s neutrality principles. Needless to say, such organization for effective diplomacies turned out successful especially among South-East Asians. Conclusion In above all, it can be concluded that many Asians are shown to be flexible & adaptable to political shifts without significant compromises. Despite the barrier in cultural differences, Asians tend to be surprisingly & pleasantly tolerant with each other in diplomacy, as well as having the unity spirit to cooperate in working on common interests & even potentially band together to fight a common threat in times of war, regardless of the barriers in cultural & political differences. Thus, with all the lore evaluated in this article, it comes to the term that Pan-Asia is not a supranational union like the European Union, but rather a conceptual covenant consist of every Asian nations involved mutually come into agreement to put aside their respective differences in geopolitical level & unite together to fight for the common causes.
  8. Hi guys! New info has come from WoWs Asia: What do you think the new cruiser will be? Or what port? Fair winds and following seas captains! Info provided by @renegadestatuz
  9. ÁRBOL PAN-ASIÁTICO DESTRUCTORES Buenas gente, como andan? WG ha anunciado el futuro árbol panasiatico que sera uno de los próximos lanzamientos (seguramente después de los BBs ingleses). Para la empresa el mercado asiático es muy importante y esta es una forma de seducir a sus clientes. Sin embargo históricamente las marinas asiaticas (con la desmesurada excepción de Japon) no tuvieron mucho desarrollo. En este barco va a haber barcos de China, Taiwan (también llamada China oficialmente), Indonesia y Korea. Zuizas se sume alguno de Tailandia en el futuro. Los barcos que vieron servicio en estos paìses fueron todos de origen foraneo. Algunos comprados durante la guerra, otros cedidos como reparación después y mucho comprados durante la guerra fria de sobrantes de USA o Rusia. Este post va a decirles que barco eran antes de ser "orientalisados" e introducirlos a sus características. TIER 1: Cheng An Clase MIKURA (Japón). Un Destructor de escolta armado con 3 cañones de 120mm. Parecido al Hashidate, apenas 17 nudos Fue entregado a China como compensación de Japón por invadirlos. Cuando Taiwan quedo separado se llevo este y otros barcos. TIER 2: LONG JIANG Diseño no construido. Fue encargado a Alemania en 1913 pero nunca construido. Los alemanes tomaron el diseño y fue la base de sus V-25 Tier 3: PHRA RUANG Clase "R" de Thronicrof. Origen Inglaterra. Muy buenos destructores de fines de la primera guerra mundial. Es bastante "livianito". Cañones: 3 de 120mm torpedos: 2 x 2 Velocidad: 36 nudos TIER 4: SHEN YANG Clase: MINEKAZE (Japòn) Este fue el Namikaze un destructor de la clase minekaze que fue modificado para llevar torpedos Kaiten. Dejandole un solo cañòn. sin embargo en el juego retiene màs cañones asi que realmente como van a presentar a este barco. TIER 5: JIAN WEI Diseño no construido: Proyecto T.306 (Inglaterra) Uno de los pocos barcos originales. Este un diseño de Inglaterra para China que al final no construyeron. Cañones: 5 Torpedos: 2 x 3 Tier 6: FU SHUN Clase: GNEVNY (Unión Sovietica) Bueno de esta clase tenemos Gnevny, Gremmysky, Anshan....y ahora Fu shun. Desconozco que le pondrán para que sea especial. Tier 7: GADJAH MADAH Clase: "N" (Inglaterra) La clase N britanica fue para ROYAL NAVY un retorno a los Destructores mas torpederos que cañoneros tras los enormes "Tribal". Este en particular es el "Nonpareil" que fue cedido a Holanda en 1942 y que esta cedió a Indonesia en 1950. Cañones: 3 x 2 de 120mm Torpedos: 2 x 4 Velocidad: 36 nudos Tier 8: HSIEN YANG Clase: GLEAVES (USA) Este fue el Maconmb, de la clase Gleaves, que es una variación del Benson. Tras la guerra fue desactivado, pero luego transferido a Japón cuando estos crearon su nueva Marina. Japón se lo vendió a Taiwan posteriormente. Los Gleaves de la ultima camada tenían menos armamento pero mas AA. Cañones : 4 de 127mm Torpedos: 1 x 5 Velocidad: 35 nudos Tiene bastante AA pero no se si es suficiente para tier 8. Veremos como lo pone WG en el juego. TIER 9: CHUNG MU Clase: FLETCHER (Usa) Un fletcher. No hay ningún misterio acá. Vendido por USa a Korea del Sur Tier 10: HSIAN YANG Clase: ALLEN SUMMER (USA) La clase Allen Summer esta entre el Fletcher y el Gearing. Siendo mas que nada un Gearing màs chico. Este fue vendido por USA a Taiwan Cañones: 6 de 120mm Torpedos: 2 x 5 Velocidad: 34 nudos Bueno estos son los barcos que vienen del Sudeste asiático. Van a ser variados y seguramente WG le pondrá algo para que se diferencien màs de su contrapartes occidentales (torpedos profundos!) pero al ver la clase a la que pertenecen ya se dan una idea de como van a ser. Otra cosa mas, la mayor parte de la información viene de Sea-group.org. La parte técnica viene de Navypedia.
  10. The title says it all, the stuff is on the WG Asia facebook. What do you guys think they'll do to differentiate the copy cat ships from their respective nations? For example the Tx from the Gearing, TIX from Fletcher, and TVIII from Benson.