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This has been in my head since Shikishima came out and for all I know this has already been said or thought of, but here I go: I'm sure when Kremlin was leaked, we all thought that 3 x 3 457/460mm guns would be the peak of gun caliber and quantity in the whole game. That was until Shikishima (Yashima at the time) was leaked and was revealed to have 3 x 2 510mm (20.1 inch guns). But it didn't stop there as you know the split US BB line that will be added to the game real soon with Vermont having 4 x 3 457mm guns. With all that, I'm theorizing that "the big one" is coming, that being the German BB H-44 , rumored to have 4 x 2 506mm (20 inch) guns. I've heard its rumored name might be Wotan, Hutten or even a recycled name like Kronprinz. Thus, it could be our first non-CV/non-Sub German T10 premium. What do you guys think?
The_Potato_Smasher posted a topic in Player Feature and Gameplay SuggestionsWarship Proposal: KMS Ludendorff (H-42) Yashima who, Wargaming? This proposal would serve to implement the German Battleship Design H-42 into the World of Warships. The H-42 design was one of 5 follow up projects to the famed Bismarck-class battleships (H-38). H-42 was intended to be one of the largest of them, with 8 48.0cm SK/C guns mounted in 4 twin turrets and nearly indestructible armor, as well as monstrous AA defenses. The project was cancelled following the start of World War II and the redirection of materials towards U-boat and Tank construction. The H-42 you will see here takes the real-life concept and gives it a bit of my own fan-fictionalizing with additional AA mounts and the like, assuming that the warship had been constructed and had received upgrades such as additional AA guns and improved secondaries. ( Please note that all details are taken from German Naval Historian Erich Groner, and, as stated, some details may contradict with history as it also combines some of my own details for the sake of game balance. Do NOT, and I repeat, do NOT quote me on historical accuracy ) Name: KMS Ludendorff Namesake: General Erich von Ludendorff ( German general famous for knocking on the door of the forts at Liege and demanding surrender - and having it work ) Design Proposal Basis: H-42 Tier: X Price: 68,000 Research Points Dimensions Length: 305m ( 1,000 feet, 8 inches ) Beam: 42.8m ( 140 feet, 5 inches ) Draft: 11.8m ( 38 feet, 9 inches ) Displacement: 90,000 Tons est. Armor Armor Scheme: Turtleback Main Armor Belt: 380mm Upper Belt: 225mm Bulkheads: 280mm Turret: 457mm Deck Armor: 50mm outer deck, 80mm central deck Superstructure: 19mm Bow/Stern-plating: Same as ( X ) Grosser Kurfurst Presence of 32mm plating: Yes ( tip of bow and stern ) HP Pool: 117,145 Fire / Flood Duration: 60 / 40 Torpedo Damage Reduction: 33% Armaments Primary Armaments: 8 x 480mm L/48 SK C/41 Maximum Firing Range: 21.2km Accuracy: German Battleship Dispersion, 2.0 sigma Reload Time: 30 seconds Turret Traverse Speed: 5.5* / second ( 36 second traverse ) HE Shell: HE L/4.5 ( 1824 kg, 6450 Damage, 41% Fire Chance, 120mm penetration, 820 m/s ) AP Shell: APC L/4.5 ( 1824 kg, 16,850 Damage, Standard Fuse and Auto Bounce Angles, 820 m/s ) Firing Angles: 145* forward, 140* rearward Secondary Armament Level 1: 6 x 2 150mm L/55 SK C/28 Range: 7.8km Accuracy: Standard Dispersion, 1.0 sigma Reload Time: 7.5 seconds HE Shell: L/4.6 KZ m HB ( 1700 Damage, 38mm penetration, 875 m/s velocity) Secondary Armament Level 2: 8 x 2 128mm L/61 KM40 Range: 7.8km Accuracy, Standard Dispersion, 1.0 sigma Reload Time: 4.0 seconds HE Shell: HE L/4.6 KZ m HB ( 1500 damage, 32mm penetration, 900 m/s velocity ) Other Details Secondary Armament Durability: Standard German Secondary Armament Firing Angles: 150* forward, 150* rear Anti-Aircraft Long Range: 4 x 2 128mm L/61 KM40 Explosions: 5+1 Damage Per Explosion: 1,540 Rate of Fire: 5.0 seconds Spawn Time: 1.56 seconds Aura Damage: 131.8 DPS Hit Rate: 75% Range: 6.0km Medium Range: 28 x 2 37mm Flakzwilling Aura Damage: 454.3 DPS Hit Rate: 75% Range: 4.0km Short Range: 24 x 2 20mm Flakzwilling Aura Damage: 291.5 Hit Rate: 75% Range: 2.0km Other Details Maximum Sector Reinforcement: 35.0% Preparation Time: 15.0 seconds Action Time: 15.0 seconds Instant Damage: 3.5% Maneuverability Maximum Forward Speed: 30.9kn Turning Radius: 1,150 meters Rudder Shift Time: 17.2 seconds Rotation Speed: 3.5* / sec Engine Power: 266,000 SHP Power-to-Weight Ratio: 2.03 HP /Ton Acceleration / Deceleration: 70 seconds / 50 seconds Stealth Surface Detection Radius: 18.8km ( 20.8km on fire ) Aerial Detection Radius: 14.9km ( 16.9km on fire ) Surface Smoke Firing Penalty: 17.3km Aerial Smoke Firing Penalty: 14.14km Assured Detection Radius: 2.0km Consumables Slot 1: Damage Control Party ( 15 seconds action time, 120 / 80 reset ) Slot 2: Repair Party ( 0.5% HP / second, 28 second action time, 3 charges base, 120 / 80 reset ) Slot 3: Fighter OR Spotter ( Standard German Fighter and Spotter Consumables ) Slot 4: Hydroacoustic Search ( 4km / 6km Acquisition Range, 120 second action time, 2 charges base, 180 / 120 reset ) Build Upgrades Slot 1: Main Armaments Modification 1 / Auxiliary Armaments Modification 1 Slot 2: Damage Control Modification 1 Slot 3: Aiming Systems Modification 1 / Secondary Battery Modification 2 Slot 4: Damage Control System Modification 2 Slot 5: Concealment Systems Modification 1 Slot 6: Main Battery Modification 3 / Auxiliary Armaments Modification 2 Commander Skills Preventative Maintenance ( 1 point ) Adrenaline Rush ( 2 points ) Superintendent / Basic Firing Training ( 3 points ) Concealment Expert / Advanced Firing Training ( 4 points ) Jack of All Trades / High Alert ( 2 points ) Basics of Survivability ( 3 points ) Fire Prevention / Manual Fire Control for Secondary Armament ( 4 points ) * the slash means or, as in take either JoAT or HA. Flags Mike Yankee Soxisix ( Extra secondaries ) November Echo Setteseven ( Extra AA ) November Foxtrot ( Faster Consumable Cooldown ) India Delta ( Extra Heal strength) Juliet Yankee Bissotwo ( reduced flooding ) India Yankee ( reduced fires ) Pros And Cons Pros One of the heaviest battleship broadsides in Tier 10 Decent rate of fire Comfortable shell velocity Good turret traverse speed Large secondary armament with a very good 7.8km base range Very heavily armored, with thick deck armor and well protected bow that prevents overmatch shots from Yamato Massive Hitpool of 112,500 hitpoints Has access to the long range and long lasting German Hydroacoustic Search Consumable The citadel sits below the waterline and is protected by a turtleback, making citadel penetrations from surface ships almost impossible Powerful AA defense can wreck Tier 8 planes in a hurry Cons Stupidly large target Extremely clumsy in a turn Only 8 barrels and German Battleship Dispersion means that missed shots will hurt quite a lot. Easily set on fire HUGE detection radius of 18.8km Short Main Battery Firing range of 21.2km Before I end this topic of discussion, I would like to note that a good portion of the details are based upon my imagination of what the H-42 would have looked like. I know that there is something called historical accuracy, but let’s be real. H-42 as it would have been built would barely be able to survive in the game, let alone thrive or compete. Therefore, I made upgrades wherever I found suitable, based upon the information I had. Once again, if you have any questions, comments, or salt, do leave them in the comments below Peace! P.S. Fuso review drops around 8:30 tonight. Bon Jovi review comes tomorrow at around 9:45 tomorrow morning
O encouraçado Großer Kurfürst, assim como o Friedrich der Große, deveriam ter torpedos, assim como o Gneisenau e o Tirpitz, pois no Z Plan, a classe H, como o H39, H41, H42, H43, H44 tinham torpedos, de 533mm. Nada mais justo do que os grandes BB alemães hi tier terem, já que ambos são baseados na classe H.
I would like to try to get this idea out to the WOW public. I am new to the forum, but since I am a History jock myself. I can't help but notice the Plan Z project run by Grand Admiral Erich Raeder had larger BBs in his project which followed a Bismarck layout but way larger. These ships were larger and of course had the same build as Bismarck and H44. However, I will layout displacements and specs for these ships here. My question is to WOWs will these ships come to this game? It could come as a alternate BB route. I am definitely curious. Displacement: H39: 56,444 t (55,553 long tons; 62,219 short tons) H41: 68,800 t (67,700 long tons; 75,800 short tons) H42: 90,000 t (89,000 long tons; 99,000 short tons) H43: 111,000 t (109,000 long tons; 122,000 short tons) H44: 131,000 t (129,000 long tons; 144,000 short tons)[a] Length: H39: 277.8 m (911 ft 5 in) H41: 282 m (925 ft 2 in) H42: 305 m (1,000 ft 8 in) H43: 330 m (1,082 ft 8 in) H44: 345 m (1,131 ft 11 in) Beam: H39: 37 m (121 ft 5 in) H41: 39 m (127 ft 11 in) H42: 42.8 m (140 ft 5 in) H43: 48 m (157 ft 6 in) H44: 51.5 m (169 ft 0 in) Draft: H39: 10 m (32 ft 10 in) H41: 11.1 m (36 ft 5 in) H42: 11.8 m (38 ft 9 in) H43: 12 m (39 ft 4 in) H44: 12.7 m (41 ft 8 in) Propulsion: 12 × MAN 9Zu65/95 9-cylinder diesel engines (durable 12500 SHP / 256 rpm (emergency 13750 SHP / 265 rpm) for H39 project) Speed: H39: 30 knots (56 km/h) maximum H41: 28.8 knots (53.3 km/h) H42: 32.2 knots (59.6 km/h) H43: 31 knots (57 km/h) H44: 30.1 knots (55.7 km/h) Range: H39: 19,200 nautical miles (35,600 km) at 19 knots (35 km/h) H41–44: 20,000 nautical miles (37,000 km) at 19 knots (35 km/h) Armament: H39 8 × 40.6 cm (16.0 in) guns 12 × 15 cm (5.9 in) guns 16 × 10.5 cm (4.1 in) guns 16 × 3.7 cm (1.5 in) 12 × 2 cm (0.8 in) guns 6 × 53.3 cm (21.0 in) torpedo tubes H41 8 × 42 cm (16.5 in) guns 12 × 15 cm (5.9 in) guns 16 × 10.5 cm (4.1 in) guns 32 × 3.7 cm (1.5 in) 12 × 2 cm (0.8 in) guns 6 × 53.3 cm (21.0 in) torpedo tubes H42 8 × 48 cm (18.9 in) guns[c] 12 × 15 cm (5.9 in) guns 16 × 10.5 cm (4.1 in) guns 28 × 3.7 cm (1.5 in) 40 × 2 cm (0.8 in) guns 6 × 53.3 cm (21.0 in) torpedo tubes H43 8 × 48 cm (19 in) guns[d] 12 × 15 cm (5.9 in) guns 16 × 10.5 cm (4.1 in) guns 28 × 3.7 cm (1.5 in) 40 × 2 cm (0.79 in) guns 6 × 53.3 cm (21.0 in) torpedo tubes H44 8 × 50.8 cm (20.0 in) guns 12 × 15 cm (5.9 in) guns 16 × 10.5 cm (4.1 in) guns 28 × 3.7 cm (1.5 in) 40 × 2 cm (0.8 in) guns 6 × 53.3 cm (21.0 in) torpedo tubes