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poeticmotion posted a topic in British DestroyersI love my gunboat DDs. I'm an average at best cruiser player, and only good in some BBs, but my happy place is filled with names like Clemson, Farragut, Z-52, Akizuki/Haragumo, Vampire, Fletcher, etc. I enjoy hunting DDs, controlling caps, spotting and vision control, and such, and I find it's my best way to contribute to wins. I like playing fast and aggressive but still having to be thoughtful about movement and positioning. I'm an average player overall, but in a gunboat DD I can carry games that I am not capable of carrying in other ships. So when it became evident that the RN line would be optimized for the fleet DD role, I was excited. So far....the results are mixed, but I am optimistic for the rest of the line. I won't unlock Lightning until Wednesday as I've completed all the container missions and didn't unlock her, but I've gotten some time with Acasta, Icarus, and Jervis. (Valkyrie looks like it will play similarly to Vampire with a bit more torp flexibility and emphasis, so I'll try her and Wakeful after launch as well.) Here's my impressions of Acasta, with Icarus and Jervis coming later tonight or tomorrow and the rest coming soon (I probably wont have much time to play next weekend so it will be a bit of time before I cover Lightning, Jutland, and Daring.) 'The Acasta Doing Business - Mid-Tier Meh "A lot like T-22, except even more boring and ineffectual" It was evident even before playing them that a lot of the British DDs would have reasonably high skill floors and would be 'better than sum of its parts' boats given the 'fleet DD' niche. Acasta is clearly a step in that evolutionary line, but in her case, sh's likely a 'grindwall' boat that most players will be glad to get out of. Even as someone with realistic expectations and who enjoys that playstyle, I didn't enjoy her. Full disclosure: I played 2 games in her and then sidelined her after unlocking Icarus mission. So maybe others make her work better after some more time, but I have played enough Gallant and enough other gunboat DDs to know Acasta wasn't for me. She's just aggressively meh. She doesn't excel in anything, but neither does T-61 and that's one of my favorite boats; she's just not good enough at enough things to make her fun. Her guns are meh, with a slow traverse and low dpm output making her vulnerable to USN DDs, and aside from the flexibility of her singlefire torps, her torps aren't anything to write home about. You can't launch from stealth except in ambush or at an approaching target. When the cards fall right, you can still devstrike anything easily with 8 torps on the same vector, or easily design your own spreads to improve odds of getting at least one hit. I have used this skill to great effect with my Gallant, but with 6km torps (and 6km stealth even at full-stealth build) I struggled to do so with Acasta. Good players will get some fantastic results out of these torps on occasion when they use single-fire perfectly, but it's going to be rare-ish and you're going to have to work harder to get good torp results than other DDs. Her guns are also a weakness. Like USN DDs, RN DDs have high shell arcs that necessitate engagements at closer ranges than Russian or (to a lesser extent) German DDs. But USN DDs just spank this boat 1v1 in a gunfight. She isn't even competitive with Clemson for cap control, much less Nicholas or Farragut. Her nimbleness helps her avoid torps but you wont dodge much gunfire at that range, and her RN smoke is even shorter because tier 5. Plus, the hydro later tiers get isnt present here. I've played a lot of Farragut and Clemson and know every trick in the book to use torps when you can't *quite* stealthtorp in most conditions, but the singlefire capability doesnt make up for the fairly weak torpedoes here, and her guns just aren't good enough to deal damage when you can't pull off ambushes, unlike the USN boats. This is a boat in which even experienced gunboaters will struggle to do damage on a consistent basis. She's nimble and accelerates quickly, she can use singlefire torps to torp entire smokescreens to flush or kill red DDs or to devstrike a BB from ambush, and she can spot and help kill DDs, but she doesn't beat ANYTHING 1v1 in a stand-up fight except a badly played IJN torpboat, and even then she doesn't have hydro for the extra cushion so her nimbleness is key to not eating torps. I think very good players can make her work very well, and I wouldn't be surprised to see her do well in the t5 ranked season in the hands of a good player. But she's going to uptier even more poorly than most tier 5 boats. She'll never be a popular boat; for one, the most OP dd for its tier is Kamikaze at tier 5, and although tier 5 is a fairly weak tier for gunboat DDs anyway, Acasta is just not equipped to excel in randoms with her toolkit. PROS: *Single-fire torps. Great for island ambushes of ships coming around a corner, strait/gap control, or torping smoke clouds when you're pretty sure a red DD is in there due to flexibility of torp spread design (can drop them all in a row or spread them out as you see fit. *Good acceleration and handling: RN DDs don't get speed boost, but they accelerate quick and hold speed in a turn. These aren't huge advantages, but they help you knife-fight other DDs and still avoid torps, and help get you out of trouble. *Decent stealth: You'll outspot Clemson and Farragut (Nicholas noses you out), outspot Gaede and Maass, and all Russian DDs. You get outspotted by IJN DDs but not by too much. And your smoke is great for breaking contact and vision control even though it sucks for offensive use. CONS: *Meh guns: the improved AP ricochet angles RN ships get doesn't seem to help much (although small sample size as I didn't play too much of her) and the low effective range (due to firing arcs), meh traverse, meh reload speed, and meh DPM mean you get your [edited]kicked by any other gunboat 1v1 assuming equally skilled players. *Situational torps: I'm used to not being able to stealthtorp; as I said, I play Clemson and Farragut often. But these torps are slowish, meh damage, and your torp range is identical to your concealment. Use them to torp smoke clouds, but don't count on racking up BB kills when they're not dumb enough to come around the corner of an island predictably enough for you to launch your torps in a line right at him. *No speed boost + low hp = low survivability: She's nimble, and her quick-reload smoke can help break contact, but if you overextend you're not going to find it easy to get back out. Her stealth is ok but she can still be outspotted by several common DDs at that tier, and she can't just boost out of trouble, so she can find herself getting focused down and her smoke is really the only thing that can buy time to bail. And once she is getting focused, she doesn't have the HP pool to last long. You've got to play smart; lone wolf deep-penetration tactics are a death wish in Acasta. *Tier 5 matchmaking: I personally enjoy the challenge of being bottom tier in most boats. However, aside from her stealth advantage over many tier 6 and 7 DDs, this is a boat that gets murdered at bottom tier. I think she'll surprise people in tier 5 ranked, but this boat is going to be terribad in randoms because she'll be bottom tier 40-50% of the time and she just doesnt have the toolkit to be effective at all. This is literally the worst t5 DD to be in a tier 7 match with. When you're uptiered, you'll jhave to work hard and play out of your mind doing all the little things to get your xp and contribute meaningfully, because you can't effectively engage anything but isolated and wounded targets and you will get pushed off caps easily. TL;DR: she fits perfectly in the niche Wargaming wanted RN DDs to fill, but in this tier, that niche just doesn't work. She's right up there with T-22 as an incredibly boring boat, and even when you find ways to win and contribute, you won't feel like you've done all that much even though you worked hard all game to do what little you did. But don't worry, Icarus is an improvement and Jervis is a strong boat, so just keep grinding. It'll be over soon. (My other reviews - British BBs: Conqueror/Lion Monarch KGV Queen Elizabeth French BBs: Overall Line Review German DDs: Flottentorpedoboot My Waifu)
Khabarovsk Guide by Rannith About Me: I usually play Russian destroyer with the occasional Russian cruiser game from time to time. I have over 350 pvp battles, I average 1160 XP per game, with a destruction ratio of 1.6, and average about 53k damage in my X Khab. I have built this ship and her commander in many different ways and I would like to share with you guys what is working for me and what is not. Intro: Let us first understand that every pvp match is different. It is impossible to build a ship for every scenario you face in game. At some point in a game, you may need to do something that is outside the strength of the ship. Like capturing nodes in a battleship. It doesn't happen often but does happen. With that said, this guide is help the Khabarovsk in many scenarios do what she is designed to do as a destroyer, as well as having the offensive capabilities that is needed. Role: Generally the role of this ship is no different than any other destroyer. Your job is to spot the enemy force, capture nodes, and provide support by lighting fires, and using torps. Obviously she cannot stealth torp with 6km range. So they will need to be used in ambush situations. Her guns on the other hand, are very good. The size of this destroyer is very large and does not have the agility of other destroyers. The speed is there but the agility is not. She is one of the fastest destroyers in the game boasting superior armor for her class. For these reasons, many people ignore that she is a destroyer and build her up like a cruiser. They ignore concealment and go straight for damage and tanking the enemy rain with rudder shift upgrades, survivability perks, repair modules, and so on. From now on, I will refer this in the future as "Speed Tanking". You want to be able to at least compete at capturing nodes. Not neglecting your main role as a destroyer. She is a triangle. Why NOT to use Speed Tank: There are many reason why not to use this role and I will list them here. 1.) It hurts the team as a whole : When you are speed tanking and constantly firing your guns, you are typically not doing this while capturing nodes. If you are doing this while capturing, you will be very close to the enemy team and be an easy target. Most Khabs that speed tank stay outside the nodes neglecting them all together until they feel like they want to move in. This puts the trailing cruisers and battleships in a state of limbo about what to do next. This is when you can expect someone to start complaining. I have had people tear me up in chat without me saying a word all because I did not cap a node. Most people don't care you have bad concealment, they will see you as a destroyer that is not doing their job. On a side note... because of all this, my Karma rating drastically goes up and down. 2.) RNG as a weapon: Yes, your main method of dealing damage "lighting fires" is a random chance(RNG). I have had games where I hit 300 times with HE and only set 4 fires. Combine this with the fact that people use damage control mods, captain skills, repair modules and even signals to counter fire. It can often become frustrating just dealing damage to cruisers and battleships and leaves you wanting more. Yes, you can have games with 120-150k damage as a speed tank, but you can also have these kind of games without sacrificing your role. 3.) Not tanky enough: Many people believe that this is the hardest ship to hit in the game. While this is true to a certain extent, this is not %100 accurate. Do not forget that this is a very large destroyer and the closer you get to the enemy, becomes vastly easier for them to hit you. I would say the golden range for tanking gunfire is 12.5-13.5Km. At this range, many people will not even target you, giving you time to do your thing. If you find a ship other than a destroyer inside this range, you will be taking massive damage. Speed tanking gives you no room for error. You are constantly lit up on the map. Your position is constantly uploaded to the enemy. Because, you should be firing your guns most of the time. Even within the golden range, this is a Tier X match and many people are very good at the game and aim very well. Don't be surprised if one salvo takes half of your HP from 13km. 4.) Needs Signals: Typically, speed tank gunboats have a constant need for signals like Sierra Mike, Juliet Charlie, India Delta, India X-Ray, Victor Lima and so on. Below I will show you how to build the Khab and not have a dire need for any of these. Onward: Building the Khab: Now that I have told you what I don't recommend, let me share my secrets =] Commander Skills: 18 total (points) - (1) Priority Target: Protecting your HP should be a huge priority. This skill lets you see how many ships are targeting you, giving you a leg up on what to do next. This can mean life and death. - (1) Preventative Maintenance: We talked about roles and jobs a little bit. Think of this skill as a -%30 chance of your job becoming incapacitated. So this is huge. - (2) Last Stand: Humans are not perfect. Crap happens. You need this skill. - (3) Demolition Expert: More fire % means more damage = more stars = more creds etc. Use this skill to enhance what the Khab is good at. - (3) Vigilance: In tier X fights, torps are everywhere. Don't let one lucky torp ruin your match. As a large destroyer, this is a no brainer. - (4) Advanced Firing Training: As a Khab you don't have great torps. But the guns are very good. Help your Demolition Expert and superior guns by getting this skill. - (4) Concealment Expert: The Khab has very bad concealment and any help in this category is greatly needed. Consumables and Upgrades: - Smoke Generator: Use to hide yourself and rain down shells on the enemy team while undetected. Used to capture nodes and provide cover for allies. Used to hide yourself in bad situations like getting out-numbered or bombed from aircraft. - Main Armament Modification 1: You do not want to waste repair unless you are flooding or on fire. This upgrade helps make that happen. - Propulsion Modification 1: Protect your amazing speed by having an ace in your pocket. - Aiming System Modification 1: Take this upgrade for the -7% dispersion to help your shells and torp ambush accuracy. - Steering Gear Modification 2: Helps agility and evade gunfire since we cannot take Steering Mod 3 - Concealment System Modification 1: Absolutely must have upgrade. There is no getting around this. We need more concealment and it is right here. The +5% dispersion is nice and welcome on all destroyers. - Main Battery Modification 3: This is a no brainer. She is a gunboat. Usage: As you can see, what we have here is a very sneaky Khab, that is still able to dish out the pain. Having good concealment is huge. Not only will it protect you from the enemy but it will allow you to "go dark" more efficiently when you decide to stop shooting. This can also mean life and death. She is now much more capable of capturing nodes but still should be used in a support style role, following other destroyers when the opportunity allows. The kind of enjoyment you will get when you melt other destroyers will be awesome. It will almost be paralleled by the excitement you get when you rain down fire on your enemy from 10km away in smoke. She is a very dangerous destroyer now and with better concealment goes pretty much wherever she wants, allowing for a more successful torp ambush. And best of all...your teammates will not flame you. I hope you have enjoyed my guide on this awesome little ship! Take care, thanks for reading!
Title says it all, Shiratsuyu is probably a good example of a ship where i'll gladly trade TRB for better guns, considering how much better the Akatsuki is. Also because having IJN gunboats in the lower tiers would be very fun. (and of course because it would make sense that the gunboat line would be gunboats all the way to get people used to the playstyle, but WG isn't about decisions that make sense now is it? ) please don't ban me.)