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  1. rafael_azuaje

    CV german ROCKETS question

    my question, the fighting planes have mostly mounts to load 6 rockets or 8, however it only fires 4 rockets, it is a nerf for the whole German branch CV. the other nations if this full rockets.
  2. DISCLAIMER: THIS STORY TAKES PLACE IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE; ONE WE ARE GLAD WE DON'T LIVE IN. A complete analysis on the sinking of the Bismarck(British Version) We are rather unclear about the events during and after the sinking of the Bismarck. This is the best explanation we can offer. At around that day the Bismarck sank or something, the royal navy dispatched HMS Rodney and HMS Ark Royal. Now this was probably a good decision, as Ark Royal was probably one of the most emotionally secure ships in the entire RN and wouldn't fall for Bismarck's confidence-undermining techniques. Rodney's attitude was, on the other hand, slightly troubling... but it was all a ruse to get Bismarck off guard. (Or so claims meta-academic epidemiology) Anyways, the Bismarck's rudder was hit earlier by velociraptors. After that, the captain of the Ark Royal decided to send torpedo rocs to destroy the Bismarck once and for all. On 8:14 (BTW 60% of the statistics in here are made up) in the morning, the torpedo rocs lifted off and began attacking the Bismarck. For some reason, the resilient gruyere the torpedo protection was made of was actually swiss, and the torpedoes easily blowed a hole in the side of the Bismarck. The ship capsized, and yet the Admiral was nowhere to be seen. Later, both Admiral Lutjens and the ship Bismarck were rescued onto the HMS Rodney, then transferred to the Ark Royal. The two ships apparently shared a piece of gruyere cheese armor and quickly build a relationship, then transferred back to England after the sinking of the Ark Royal. Epilogue: Ark Royal and Bismarck Are on an unknown area of the British Titan colonies under the witness protection program, in a scandal involving the HMS Prince of Turtles (Hey we couldn't come up with better names so don't judge)'s Phaser mounts, which were later discovered on a french battlecruiser. War almost erupted, until France threatened to activate Vacuum Decay if Britain declared war.
  3. Welcome to part three of our at least three part series of "Will it Battlecruiser". If you'd like to catch up on the action up to this point check out parts One and Two. Today we're going to be covering the most talked about and/or theorycrafted BC lines: Britain and Germany. Both nations contributed more real-steel designs than all other nations put together, while simultaneously being some of the most frustrating lines to actually create full techlines for! Nonetheless, the two nations are far more complimentary and similar in terms of general performance and line development than even I realized! Therefore without further adieu, lets start with Myag... Cobr... eh, the Germans. This is going to be kind of a short walkthrough since I'm basing my line largely on the excellent work of @Shrayes_Bhagavatula and his "Raider" BB line split for Germany. If you haven't read his thread, I highly recommend doing so! His top tier options and playstyle gel pretty well with the overall design aesthetic of German BC's so all I am doing is simply using his branch as a springboard to extend all the way down to tier III. For those of you TL;DRers out there his branch is as follows: VI: Mackensen-class VII: Gneisenau VIII: Bismarck-class IX: H-39 X: H-40a w/ 8x2 16" guns (Though I personally would add an option for 42cm guns as well.) The main characteristics of these ships are that they are lighter, faster ships than the contemporary main line German BB's, often with faster firing but lighter/ fewer main guns but still keeping the common German traits of turtleback armor and strong secondaries. As I mentioned previously, this gels surprisingly well with the WWI era true BCs and makes creating a cohesive line from BC--> fast BB muuuuch easier. So with that said, lets start to backfill! Starting at tier V we have: V: Derfflinger-class As one might expect, for those of you forum readers who've been around the block, this ship is our 3rd in line. Main armament is only 8x2 12" guns, compared to the 10x2 12" found on the König-class. His speed should help to make up the deficit in firepower while the improved armor profiles (compared to their British contemporaries) should enable them to survive longer in mid-range battles. In a sense, these ships would be more akin to cruiser-killers, only firing on BBs opportunistically or when among allies. Next up at tier IV, a surprise I'm sure to some of you I'm sure: IV: Seydlitz Moltke-class Thanks to @Lord_Magus and finally getting some better looks at the schematics of these respective ships. I have reevaluated tiers III and IV so now Moltke is tier IV and the Von der Tann has come back as the starting tier III shown below: III: Moltke-class Von der Tann Let's now take a look at the ships Cob... Mya... Rex Kwan d.... uh the Royal Navy, can muster. And I'm going to preface this now; my top tiers are not what you think! III: Indefatigable-class This ship was chosen over the Invincible in the same way Bellerophon was chosen over Dreadnought; they were slightly improved, serialized ships over the preceding class. (Yes I am aware Invincible wasn't a one-off, work with me here!) Despite largely being a repeat, she did get improvements in armor and speed that should offer her a bit more... parity to Moltke than her sister class while still exemplifying the ethos of British BC's, thin armor, good-but-not-great firepower and high-er speed than any contemporary BB. Her guns, while not having particularly great firing angles, can still cross-fire as well, enabling an 8-ish gun broadside. From here, the rest of the line is pretty standard for most fans of the British BCs and proceeds as follows: IV: Lion Princess Royal-class V: Tiger VI: Renown-class (with refits) VII: Admiral-class (Anson) Now, it's at this point that other British BC lines end up with some combination of the follow-on alphabet classes that were in development in the early 1920's. And while tier VIII won't be any different, at least to a degree, don't expect Incomparable or anything of the sort to show up at tier X. For starters though let's have a look at the J3: This ship, obviously part of the Alphabet series of designs was basically the direct successor to Hood and the rest of the Admiral-class ships. It's also a far more conventional design than the ship that was chosen to replace the Admiral-class program, the G3. So why isn't G3 here? Well, it simply comes down to the unconventional design of that ship when compared to the rest of the line. This same justification was also the reason for keeping Nelson out of the line as well, since it's all forward gun placement would have been an extremely awkward shift in playstyle, so too would G3 after Admiral. I would certainly consider that G3 becomes a premium though, and hope that it does! But for the techline, J3 and it's 15" guns (which give it equivalent firepower to Monarch) offers a much better flow. Speaking of Monarch, allow me to digress for just a moment here, I promise it will all make sense... I despise this ship. Even though I have not played it, nor will ever do so Monarch is the single biggest bone of contention I have with WoWs and it's paper techline ships. Period. More than the Russian ships (which I really don't mind for the most part) More than the new Super Standards, more than the Italian high tier ships (though they are a close second). And why is this the hill I chose to die on? Well, it's because above all else it's lazy. A preliminary design that succeeds it's real-steel design. And it's not even particularly well done for a paper ship at that, rife with historical inaccuracies and wrapped up in a ship that, aside for marginally larger guns is the same basic ship from the preceding tier. And even though it did come into the game as a premium, HMS Vanguard would have been a natural alternative, but wasn't used. Why am I telling you all of this, what does it have to do with battlecruisers? Glad you asked. Since the J3 is (speed and armor aside) going to offer otherwise similar capabilities to the Monarch, it gives me an opportunity to replace it with something else. Something marginally more real and most importantly, different enough in capability to J3 to be unique. Enter: Lion. What you see here is the early versions of Lion through 1940, similar to what we have at tier IX in game already. Many believe that Lion is one of the weaker tier IX BBs, merely a last stepping stone before you get to Conquerer. I find that incredibly disappointing given that this ship was the counter to not only any German BB, it was to be Britain's answer to Iowa. And it's easy to see why, with her squishy sides, weak torpedo protection and somewhat lackluster 16" guns which means you just end up using the anachronistic 16.5" guns instead. What I propose instead is to move Lion as she exists down to tier VIII, replacing Monarch while J3 becomes it's spiritual successor. her 9x3 16" guns, in terms of AP power fall somewhere in between Nelson's and the American Freedomizer™ shells. She would still have the squishy-ish armor and poor torpedo protection (known flaws of the early versions of the ship). Detuned, this ship can easily be comparable to the Vladivostok or North Carolina-class at tier VIII, and provide a true alternative playstyle against the J3 in the BC line. So what then do we do with these lines tier IX ships? Well, Lion comes to the rescue again. This version of Lion is her in her proposed 1942 redesign. note the lack of spotter plane now and the much heavier AA suite. That's not all, she also would get the same Mk.IV 16" guns she has now in game but they would be improved. The Mk.IV was designed to handle higher pressures for new heavy AP shells which would make the guns in this version of the ship behave more like the guns on North Carolina or the Alabama (though she does have higher muzzle velocity than either of those, which is nice.) A lot of work also went into enhanced torpedo and deck armor protection as well. And sure, if you really want to keep them you can still have this ship with the 16.5" guns too though it'd make no sense. So while this neatly wraps up the BB line gaps what does the BC line have? This delightful little fella is one of the 1945 Lion-class proposals, meant to be a reduced size and cost alternative to not only fit in British naval shipyards (larger ships would have to be built in civilian ones, competing with civilian ship contracts) but also to enable the Royal Navy to maintain a sizeable postwar BB fleet. While it is still armed with 16" Mk.IV guns, it should be noted that these 1944/45 ship proposals were to have all been using the new Mk.III turret which was supposed to offer a rate of fire of 3 RPM. That's right, a 20 second base reload. So, whilst only having 6 guns, it can still pump out an impressive dpm, additionally carrying plenty of AA and, 4.5"in turrets as you can see above. Armor is quite variable on these ships, this particular version shown above for instance (B7) has only about 9-11" of belt armor and modest torpedo protection. Additionally, all of the ships were required to achieve a top speed of only 29kts so it would take a little WeeGee imagineering to give this ship the requisite HP to get to at least 30 knots but it's by no means inconceivable to do so. This finally bring us to the tier X in all of it's Lion-y glory: This is the 1944 Version of the ship and were among the largest variants ever proposed. Weighing in at an impressive 64500 tonnes full load. Designed to achieve a top speed of 31.5 knots it needed all that size to speed through the water. As you can see, we're also back to 9 guns, also of the Mk.IV in the Mk.III speedloader turrets. It should be noted that while all of the Royal Navies 16" guns were 45 caliber, there were plans and even a test unit for a 50cal version to be built (unofficially referred to as Mk.V) which would bring the guns performance closer to Iowa/Montana with their 16"/50 rifles. This gun though, would only show up on the 1944/45 ships however. Also, one final note for the eagle-eyed among you, yes those are torpedoes mounted amidships. Quintuple launchers no less! They were removed in the 1945 designs and I haven't decided whether it would be a good idea to give them to the tier IX ship or omit them from the tier X ship? Either way, despite the class stretching of epic proportions, we have found a way to create a full BC--> fast BB line for the British. Phew! Finally finished with the big boys! Of course there were other nations that tried and failed to develop battlecruisers as well that I have yet to cover. If you're interested in having me beat this dead horse into a fine powder, let me know! Otherwise comments and suggestions are always welcome and thank you again to @Shrayes_Bhagavatula and @Tzoli for the images!
  4. lordholland4293

    Unique Commanders

    I don't know if this has been proposed or asked before but more unique commanders with historical meaning could be added. US Commanders like Willis A Lee- Commanded USS washington at Guadalcanal *special perk for wows- 5%speed after 25 hits, move aside iam coming though-increased dispersion at 10% health. Thomas Kincaid -Commanded USS Enterprise at Guadalcanal and other actions, - special perk - carrier return speed -5%, other ideas if people have them. German, MacMillian Von Spee, Commanded German cruisers of the Falkland WWI, Special perk - Increased reload -100-150 hits, German persistent - health restoration at 10%- doesnt put out fires or floods. These commanders would be cheap like 30,000 - 40,000 coal, should be affordable for anyone. Hopefully anyone has other ideas for other countries.
  5. rafael_azuaje

    Odin Buff

    hello everyone! my post is to talk about odin. * request some improvements like increasing your little HP from 52400 to 57200 base. * improve the speed of the main battery recharge. because the AGIR has the same barrel as the Odin but it recharges in 20 seconds, in 23 seconds. (here is clearly a nerf)
  6. HuTao_prpr

    Z23 (Nimi) the best

    took me too long to make this have fun watching :D
  7. Hello, as the title would suggest I am wondering if G. Kurfurst is any good, because I have heard mixed reactions and with the current cancers that is CVs and HE spam I am not spending 25,000,000 doubloons on something that is worthless
  8. Hello again everyone! It’s been… Quite a while since I posted one of these. Yeah, sorry about that. I had intended to do everything all in a row but just got completely burnt out after getting the British done. Still, the Devs have spurred me into action by releasing preliminary stats for a brand new line of German carriers. Cool! And also unexpected, I would have thought that they’d have put the alternate lines back in first. Anyway, because of that I’m going to be changing up the format from my last three threads (linked at the end) a bit. Instead of looking exhaustively at planes, ordnance, and carriers all together; I’m going to be describing how their version of the ships matches with what I came up with but never got quite polished enough to post, and then roughly going over plane stats and gimmicks. If you guys want a more in-depth look it can be added later. So, with that being said, German aircraft carriers! Carriers We’ll start our journey through the realm of what were they/is Landsraad thinking?! By, as usual, establishing a baseline with our old controversial friend, the best tier 8 cruiser in the game, Graf Zeppelin. Tier 8 Premium: Graf Zeppelin Defensive Armament: 8x2 150mm L/55 naval guns 6x2 105mm L/65 dual-purpose guns 11x2 37mm Flak guns 7x4 20mm Flak guns Intended Historical Aircraft Complement: Messerschmitt Bf 109T-1 Junkers Ju 87D-4 Stuka Fieseler Fi 167 In-Game Aircraft Complement: Messerschmitt Me 155 (RA, 8/2, 14) Focke-Wulf Ta 152C (TB, 9/3, 16) Focke-Wulf Ta 152C (DB, 8/2, 14) Aviation Facilities: Three deck elevators Two catapults 42 aircraft complement Speed: 35 knots Armor: 30-100mm belt, unarmored hangar Displacement: 33550 tons There we go, pretty straightforward at first glance. Of course anyone who’s played Graf Zeppelin knows that this ship is anything BUT straightforward, and that all boils down to the characteristics of her aircraft. Her planes are, to put it simply, squishy. Her rocket planes are tied for slowest in tier as well, but have hard hitting 8” rockets so they can be good for catching tricky destroyers. On the other hand, her bombers were only recently dethroned from the crown of “fastest planes in the game” by Indomitable, and on top of that have their own individual quirks. Her torpedoes are slow, though not quite British slow; and her dive bombers are specialized in slinging AP bombs through belt armor by going in from the side. We’ll come back to this later, as WG has decided to capitalize on much of this for their new line, but it doesn’t matter too much when designing the ships themselves. We’ll save the discussion of gimmicks for the air wing section. But for now, onto the ships! Tier 4: “Rhein” Defensive Armament: 2x2 105mm L/65 dual-purpose guns ? Intended Historical Aircraft Complement: Messerschmitt Bf 109T-1 Junkers Ju 87D-4 Stuka Proposed Aircraft Complement: Arado Ar.68 (RA, 6/3, 9) Arado Ar.95b (TB, 8/2, 9) Heinkel He.50 (DB, 8/2, 9) Speed: 26 knots Armor: 16mm plating, unarmored hangar Hit Points: 32300 I’m having to guess a little bit on the origins of Rhein, but I feel reasonably confident in saying that this is Wargaming’s attempt to bring the planned Jade-class carrier conversion into the game at tier 4. And she does look like a respectable little ship. Let’s compare to what I was able to dig up: Tier 4: Jade (ocean liner Gneisenau conversion) http://www.navypedia.org/ships/germany/ger_cv8.gif Defensive Armament: 6x2 105mm L/65 dual-purpose guns 5x2 37mm Flak guns 16x2 20mm Flak guns Intended Historical Aircraft Complement: Messerschmitt Bf 109T-1 Junkers Ju 87D-4 Stuka Proposed Aircraft Complement: Heinkel He 51 (RA, 6/3, 9) Fieseler Fi 167 (TB, 8/2, 9) Henschel Hs 123 (DB, 6/2, 9) Aviation Facilities: Two deck elevators Two catapults 24 aircraft complement Speed: 19 knots Armor: 10-15mm belt, 20mm deck, unarmored hangar Displacement: 20020 tons Keep in mind that WeeGee has not released any details on Rhein’s AA thus far. For a ship that lives and dies by aircraft this is rather annoying but hey, we’ll work with what we’ve got. I’m fairly certain that the ship is in fact one of the proposed liner conversions, the funnel, superstructure, and overall shape point to that IMO. There honestly aren’t too many large differences, mainly the number of 105mm turrets and the fully enclosed hurricane bow. The latter is a purely aesthetic choice as far as the game goes, and the former makes sense for baby’s first carrier. Their speed is also different, Wargaming opting for a buff of about 7 knots from the official speed. I’m curious about the choice of name though. I’ll acknowledge that “Jade” isn’t terribly German-sounding, but in that case her sister Elbe would fit quite well. Still, that’s a minor nitpick and Rhein would fit as either a rename of Jade or a third ship of the class. Moving on… Edit: For those who want to know a bit more, here's @dseehafer's thread on the subject Tier 6: Weser Defensive Armament: 5x2 105mm L/65 dual-purpose guns ? Intended Historical Aircraft Complement: Messerschmitt Bf 109T-1 Junkers Ju 87D-4 Stuka Proposed Aircraft Complement (Elite): Messerschmitt Bf 109E (RA, 8/2, 12) Dornier Do.22 (TB, 8/2, 12) Henschel Hs.123 (DB, 8/2, 12) Speed: 32 knots Armor: 19mm plating, unarmored hangar Hit Points: 41000 Before moving on to comparing the two, I would just like to point out that having a biplane as the top aircraft on a line built around having FAST planes seems rather odd to me. Tier 6: Weser (Hipper conversion) Defensive Armament: 5x2 105mm L/65 dual-purpose guns 5x2 37mm Flak guns 24x2 20mm Flak guns Intended Historical Aircraft Complement: Messerschmitt Bf 109T-1 Junkers Ju 87D-4 Stuka Proposed Aircraft Complement (Stock): Heinkel He 112 (RA, 6/2, 9) Heinkel He 118 (TB, 6/2, 9) Hamburger Flugzeugbau Ha 137 (DB, 8/2, 12) Proposed Aircraft Complement (Elite): Messerschmitt Bf 109T-1 (RA, 6/2, 9) Junkers Ju 87D-4 Stuka (TB, 6/2, 9) Junkers Ju 87D-4 Stuka (DB, 8/2, 12) Aviation Facilities: Three deck elevators Two catapults 20 aircraft complement Speed: 32 knots Armor: 70-80mm belt, 20-50mm deck, unarmored hangar Displacement: ~18900 tons This one I hit dead-on, didn’t even get the name wrong. And it certainly makes sense! As the former tier 6 US Independence class was based on a tier 8 Cleveland, why not base another nation’s tier 6 on their own tier 8 carrier? Weser was a conversion of the Admiral Hipper class cruiser Seydlitz that was begun but never completed. Nothing about the design seems to have changed from what has been revealed, though they did opt for 19mm plating over the ship as opposed to Hipper’s 27mm or even Mainz’s 25mm. Given that the ship is of a lower tier and less likely to be shot at directly… That’s fair. Edit: @dseehafer's thread on Weser. Tier 8: “August von Parseval” Defensive Armament: 6x2 105mm L/65 dual-purpose guns ? Intended Historical Aircraft Complement: Messerschmitt Bf 109T Junkers Ju 87D-4 “Stuka” Fieseler Fi 167 Proposed Aircraft Complement (Elite): Messerschmitt Bf.109G (RA, 9/3, 14) Messerschmitt Bf.110C7 (TB, 9/3, 14) Messerschmitt Bf.110C7 (DB, 9/3, 14) Speed: 31.8 knots Armor: 19mm plating, unarmored hangar Hit Points: 51400 Tier 8: “Peter Strasser” (Graf Zeppelin hull B) Defensive Armament: 8x2 150mm L/55 naval guns 6x2 105mm L/65 dual-purpose guns 11x2 37mm Flak guns 7x4 20mm Flak guns Intended Historical Aircraft Complement: Messerschmitt Bf 109T Junkers Ju 87D-4 “Stuka” Fieseler Fi 167 Proposed Aircraft Complement (Stock): Messerschmitt Bf 109T-3 (RA, 9/3, 14) Junkers Ju 87G-2 “Stuka” (TB, 9/3, 14) Junkers Ju 87G-2 “Stuka” (DB, 12/3, 18) Proposed Aircraft Complement (Elite): Messerschmitt Me 209T (RA, 9/3, 14) Junkers Ju 187 (TB, 9/3, 14) Junkers Ju 187 (DB, 12/3, 18) Aviation Facilities: Three deck elevators Two catapults 42 aircraft complement Speed: 35 knots Armor: 30-100mm belt, unarmored hangar Displacement: 33550 tons I have… Feelings, about how this tier has been worked out by WarGaming. On the one hand, the ship turned out pretty much exactly as I expected. Indeed they even went with an “upgraded” Graf Zeppelin hull C that did away with the 150mm secondaries to help Graf Zeppelin remain unique. The names chosen are different, but August von Parseval sounds at least as good as Peter Strasser. But then we come to the planes. I’ll be perfectly blunt, I’m not a fan of the Bf.110 being made into a carrier-borne plane. A large twin-engine aircraft should, in my opinion, only be used for a carrier if it’s doing something that a single-engine plane couldn’t. For example, a carrier that had squadrons of fewer aircraft carrying more ordnance each would be fine for twin-engine planes (see: USS Hornet, Doolittle Raid version with B-25s). But going really fast? This is GERMANY, they have plenty of fast single-engine planes that fit the bill. Why use the Bf.110 when a Focke Wulfe 190 could do the job of a high speed bomber? Tier 10: “Manfred von Richtofen” Defensive Armament: 12x2 105mm L/65 dual-purpose guns ? Proposed Aircraft Complement (Elite): Messerschmitt Me.155G (RA, 9/3, 14) Focke Wulfe Ta.152C (TB, 9/3, 14) Focke Wulfe Ta.152C (DB, 9/3, 14) Speed: 32 knots Armor: 19mm plating, unarmored hangar Hit Points: 65300 Tier 10: “Oswald Boelcke” (Ersatz Graf Zeppelin) Defensive Armament: 10x2 105mm L/65 dual-purpose guns 18x2 37mm Flak guns 4x4 20mm Flak guns 12x2 20mm Flak guns Proposed Aircraft Complement (Stock): Messerschmitt Me 209T (RA, 9/3, 14) Junkers Ju 187 (TB, 9/3, 14) Junkers Ju 187 (DB, 12/3, 18) Proposed Aircraft Complement (Elite): Dornier Do 335 Pfiel (RA, 9/3, 14) Dornier Do 335 Pfiel (TB, 9/3, 14) Dornier Do 335 Pfiel (DB, 12/3, 18) Aviation Facilities: Three deck elevators Two catapults 60 aircraft complement Speed: 32.5 knots Armor: 50-125mm belt, unarmored hangar Displacement: ~40000 tons So once again I came out pretty close with my rough estimates to what Wargaming decided on for the ship itself. All dual-purpose secondaries, roughly 32 knot speed, basically an “ersatz Graf Zeppelin” to use the tradition of German replacement naming. I will admit that Wargaming DID solve a problem that I had with this ship, that being her air group having a bad case of Audacious syndrome and using the Dornier Do.335 for every role, but they did so by copy-pasting Graf Zeppelin’s aircraft and messing with their stats. That just doesn’t sit right with me, especially considering that Graf Zeppelin is no Saipan with regards to plane HP and lethality. I’m tempted to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I’m still worried about this whole concept all the same. Gimmick Before we get into planes and ordnance it occurs to me that we need to lay out something that I would normally just build up to in these posts, because Wargaming and I have rather different ideas on the matter. That of course is the almighty gimmick. What does this line do well? What makes it special? What makes it stand out from Japan, the US, and Britain? Wargaming’s solution to this seems to be taking Graf Zeppelin and turning it up to eleven. All squadrons are now very fast but have low health. Dive bombers are equipped with AP bombs with the same odd dive pattern as Graf Zeppelin, but an elliptical drop pattern. Torpedo bombers have torpedoes that are super slow, but hard-hitting. Rocket planes have small numbers of new armor-piercing rockets. And of course finally, the ships themselves have good secondaries as befitting their German heritage. That’s the theory anyway. Wargaming isn’t the only one with an almighty spreadsheet however, so let’s see how they stack up compared to what’s out already. To save time we’ll just be looking at the stats of the elite planes for tier 6, 8, and 10. Tier 4: Rhein Rhein puts us off to an interesting start when analyzed alongside Langley, Hosho, and Hermes. Her planes all check the “fragile” box easily when looked at in an individual light, and since squadron sizes are pretty uniform at tier 4 this holds true for entire flights as well. In terms of speed and power, her torpedo planes check both boxes necessary to fulfil the German gimmick as laid out: With a whopping 11600 potential damage per attack run (before TDS is taken into account) and 13 knots of cruising speed on their rivals these planes definitely fit the bill. On the other hand, her rocket planes are outdone in speed by Langley’s F3F Gulfhawks, though in this case they’re at least still above average. The real curiosity comes from Rhein’s dive bombers, which have the worst cruising speed in their tier at a mere 96 knots, while everyone else does either 98 or 99. Tier 6: Weser Weser seems to try and straighten out the trend set by Rhein back into what the Devs have said that they wanted. Once again all squadrons are composed of planes with, individually, the worst HP in their tier. Notably though their total squadron HP is often saved from the bottom of the barrel by sheer numbers as plane counts start to diversify. They’re also consistently high speed, coming in first or second place each time compared to all of the tier 6 carriers. The dive bombers even manage to sit at the top of the pack rather than lagging behind this time! The torpedo bombers also remain damage kings, with only Ark Royal and its three Fairey Swordfish dropping tinfish at a time beating them out in raw damage. From what the stats are saying right now, Weser looks like the most comfortable ship to play of the line. Tier 8: August von Parseval The Parseval seems to be where the cracks start to show and stats begin diverging from reality so far as gimmick is concerned. Once again their HP is all worst in tier individually, though per squadron Graf Zeppelin saves her sister from being absolute worst in terms of getting wrecked by flak (Saipan helps too). Her rocket planes are, frankly, not that fast. Don’t get me wrong, they are indeed better than average, but in a field where Saipan, Indomitable, and Lexington are all competing the deck was loaded against these planes from minute one. Only Enterprise and her F6F Hellcats manage to be “above average” while still staying slower than Parseval’s Bf.109s, and then only by two knots. Thankfully her torpedo planes fare much better, being beaten out only by Graf Zeppelin and otherwise being the only TBs to come close to the 130 knot mark. Their damage is still good too, though Saipan and Kaga dropping four fish at a time does keep her from the top spot. Then there’s the dive bombers, and they’re pretty much in the same boat as the torpedo planes while now having to contend with Indomitable and her stupid-fast Sea Hornets. Tier 10: Manfred von Richtofen Get ready to press F to pay respects, because as she is now the Richtofen looks to be dead on arrival. We’ll skip the HP for now, because it is low, but how is another matter. Speed-wise they’re all fine. The bombers both beat their nearest competitors by about 30 knots and the rocket planes take a respectable second to Midway’s F8F Bearcats by a mere 4 knots. In terms of torpedo damage they are once again in the top two only outdone by Midway. Considering that Midway drops twice as many torpedoes in a run, I’ll call that a win. But now we get to HP, and… I don’t know what they’re thinking. These numbers are bad, plain and simple. Every squadron is made up of planes with below-average HP for tier 8, let alone tier 10. Also, because they now have the same standard 9/3, 14 setup that every other carrier at tier 10 either meets or exceeds for every squadron, their total squadron HP is just as bad if not worse. The torpedo planes are the best off, they at least can claim to be within a couple hundred HP of average. The rocket planes and dive bombers on the other hand? The rocket planes just barely beat out Graf Zeppelin’s, and the dive bombers have LESS HP than Graf Zeppelin’s by 260! These planes look like they’ll simply evaporate if you even look at them funny in tier 10, no two ways about it. Well that’s WarGaming’s take on the line’s gimmick, so what was mine? Honestly I’m a firm believer in “sometimes the best gimmick is no gimmick”, so take away the AP dive bombs and rockets. Take away the fast bombers too. I know that a lot of people (myself included) were looking forward to getting the Stuka with this line, and that’s not a fast plane at all. So while my idea was for Germany to have faster but more fragile rocket planes, their bombers would have been slower and tankier (at least up until tier 10). Sort of an inverse Graf Zeppelin. And one more thing would have set them apart too. See, nothing has been done with consumables for carriers yet despite them being the main way other lines get their gimmicks. Why not start by letting one squadron (we’ll say rocket planes) from tier 6 up swap out their fighter consumable for a deployable sonobuoy. Basically it would be like the fighter cover in that it’s stationary, of limited duration, and calls in a plane that can be shot down. However instead of shooting down planes over an area this would call in search planes to put down what is essentially an immobile hydro beacon. The stats would probably be something like this: Tier 6: Aircraft: 3x Messerschmitt Bf 110E-3 HP: 2500 per plane (7500 total) Duration: 90 seconds Cooldown: 120 seconds Torp Detection: 3km Ship Detection: 3.5km Tier 8: Aircraft: 3x Me 410B Hornisse HP: 3000 per plane (9000 total) Duration: 90 seconds Cooldown: 120 seconds Torp Detection: 3.5km Ship Detection: 4km Tier 10: Aircraft: 2x Fw 200 Condor HP: 6000 per plane (12000 total) Duration: 90 seconds Cooldown: 120 seconds Torp Detection: 4km Ship Detection: 4.5km I like this idea, I feel like it really emphasizes the carrier’s role in supporting the fleet not only with damage but with recon and early warning data. Dropped sonobuoys would be especially helpful for guarding from long range torpedo strikes if timed right, as well as monitoring choke-points, and-as long as the planes aren’t shot down-flushing ships out of smoke. Now there is ONE more ship than WarGaming has revealed that I had envisioned putting in, since every line needs a premium and not everyone wants to put down money for a tier 8. So without further ado: Tier 6 Premium: “Max Immelmann” (DeGrasse conversion) Defensive Armament: 6x2 105mm L/65 dual-purpose guns 6x2 37mm Flak guns 12x2 20mm Flak guns Intended Historical Aircraft Complement: Bf 109T Ju 87D-4 “Stuka” Proposed Aircraft Complement: Bf 109T-1 (RA, 6/2, 9) Ju 87D-4 “Stuka” (GB, 6/2, 9) Ju 87D-4 “Stuka” (DB, 6/2, 9) Aviation Facilities: Two deck elevators Two catapults 23 aircraft complement Speed: 32 knots Armor: 100mm belt, 38mm deck, unarmored hangar Displacement: 11600 tons So Germany captured a lot of ships when they invaded coastal countries, as well as the facilities and industry to continue work on them in many cases. The French cruiser DeGrasse was one of those and, like so many ships in the hands of the Kriegsmarine, slated to be turned into a carrier before the Luftwaffe threw a hissy fit because they didn’t play well with others. You’ll notice that instead of “TB” for Torpedo Bomber, the Immelmann as I propose her has a squadron marked “GB”. That is not a typo. Premiums need gimmicks too after all, and while I didn’t feel comfortable giving this on to the whole line, a single ship felt fine. In this case, Immelmann’s specialty would be glide bombing, which would be sort of a hybrid of torpedo and dive-bombing when the aircraft dropped from a distance to try to hit the side of a ship, but instead of torpedoes dropped stabilised (not guided in this case) bombs that could then pierce though belt armor if aimed and RNG’d properly. The weapon in question would be this: Ruhrstahl SD 1400 X Type: Glide Bomb Warhead: 320 kg AP Mass: 1362 kg Damage: ? The Fritz X, as it was known, was a rather effective stand-off weapon when used properly. More than capable of causing massive damage to cruisers with a solid hit. In this case, we’d basically have an armor-piercing warhead with aerial-torpedo levels of damage. Penetration would probably be good enough to consistently get upper belt or casemate damage on same-tier battleships, but not enough to go through full battleship belt armor. And that pretty much wraps up how I envisioned the German carrier line and how it compares to WarGaming’s version currently undergoing testing. As always any questions, comments, or criticisms are welcome; so please let me know what you think and if you want more of this stuff! Part 1: US Part 2: Japan Part 3: Britain
  9. Grand_Admiral_Murrel

    New Tier 10 German Battleship?

    Well, it's safe to say that Yashima is breaking the mold for what battleships can be in World of Warships. 510 mm guns? Yeah, those are pretty big. What I'm curious about is, if Wargaming are going to introduce the proposed super-Yamato, then when can we expect to see a new (premium) tier 10 German battleship representative of the H-42, H-43, and H-44 class? For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, the current tier 9 German battleship, the Friedrich de Grosse, is representative of the H-39 class battleship, bearing 8 x 406 mm guns in 4 turrets. The Kriegsmarine continued to develop battleship designs based on what other nations were planning, the result of which were designs H-40 through to H-44 (H-40 is different from the other designs in that it only had 6 x 406 mm guns in 3 turrets). Depending on which sources you consult, the gun calibres for some of the ships are different, but needless to say, as the designs progressed, the gun calibre increased, all the way up to 8 x 508 mm guns in 4 turrets on the H-44 class. So what's my point? Well, if the Japanese can have a super-battleship, then I'd say the Germans deserve their chance to shine too. Mark my words, there's money to be made by adding a premium such as this to the game, and Wargaming will put this ship in the game. They may opt to use the supposed 8 x 480 mm guns configuration instead, but mark my words, this ship will appear in-game someday. Also, I guarantee that there will be a premium H-40 class battleship, possibly as a tier 8 or 9 premium (I hope 8), maybe with torpedoes if Wargaming want to make a Gneisenau on steroids (WG, if you read this, please make this come true ) . Well, that's all for now folks, please let me know if you agree or disagree in the comments below, and please consider taking part in my survey! Fair winds and following seas!
  10. thatbruinskid

    Which T8 Premium cruiser should I get??

    Been debating between Prinz Eugen and Atago. No idea which to go with, I really enjoy German ships (especially battleships) but the Hipper isn't my favorite, haven't played Japanese cruisers but the artillery and torpedo armaments of the Atago seem very fun at first glance. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!
  11. O encouraçado Großer Kurfürst, assim como o Friedrich der Große, deveriam ter torpedos, assim como o Gneisenau e o Tirpitz, pois no Z Plan, a classe H, como o H39, H41, H42, H43, H44 tinham torpedos, de 533mm. Nada mais justo do que os grandes BB alemães hi tier terem, já que ambos são baseados na classe H.
  12. There were 3 main concept designs for the Plan Z Spahkruezer. 1938, and 1939 that shared the same hull dimensions. 152 meters over all length with 16 and a half meter width. The 1940 design was designed to be 162 meters overall length, and 16 meters wide. When compared to the M class light cruiser which was to be 163 meters overall length it is realized that for destroyer dimensions they would have been extremely long ships. They would have been fairly fast at 37 to 40 knots. They would have had extreme range ( around 12,000 Nautical Miles ) at cruising speed. They were oversized to perform the mission of escorting larger ships and to recon ahead of the battle group. They were designed to carry on dual turret on the bow and two on the stern to facilitate a more strategic withdraw. They wanted to mount a catapult and 2 scout planes aboard the 1939 design, and possibly the 1940 design. To save weight they considered removing the torpedo armament, even though the ships would have been large enough to carry both. The ships could have been easily up armored because of their size. These ships would have been ideal for mine laying missions, as they could have carried between 50 to 80 mines onboard and more if needed directly for that kind of mission. It took me about 4 days to model out the hull. The top and side you can see how canoe looking the 1938 design appeared. These ships were to have 2 Man 6 cylinder engines that would provide propulsion for cruise and normal operations. A high pressure steam turbine would ad power for combat operations, or missions where they need speed. This meant that these ships would need to carry Fuel Oil, and Diesel, or carry an onboard refinery machinery, like Graff Spee did. Notice the 3 screw set up. The railing done, and getting ready for putting on the super structer and equipment.
  13. A friend of mine compiled most of the United States Navy Technical Mission to Japan from the now defunct Fischer-Tropsch Archive so that people can navigate it again in one location. https://pacificwararchive.wordpress.com/2018/04/21/reports-of-the-u-s-naval-technical-mission-to-japan-1945-1946/ He is also working on the European one now. https://pacificwararchive.wordpress.com/2018/04/21/records-of-the-u-s-naval-technical-mission-in-europe-1944-1947/ Edit: He has added a fair amount of the Pacific portions of the USSBS to the blog now. They were mostly pulled together from the Japan Air Raids website, but he made them far easier to pick through here. https://pacificwararchive.wordpress.com/2018/11/15/us-strategic-bombing-survey-pacific-war/ Edit 2: He is now working on the Japan Monographs. At first he will be filling in the Monographs that HyperWar doesn't already have up. https://pacificwararchive.wordpress.com/2019/01/27/japanese-monographs/
  14. Battle of Jutland We will try this on this next coming Friday on Dec 7th 12/7/18. 9:30-11:30PM US Eastern standard time , 8:30-10:30 PM US CENTRAL TIME, 7:30-9:30 PM US MOUNTAIN TIME, 6:30-7:30 PM US PACIFIC TIME , 11:30AM -1:30 PM in Sydney Australia 9:30 AM - 11:30 AM in Perth Australia. This will be in the training room labeled "battle of jutland". search for training rooms by Outwardpanicjoe. if anyone is interested in helping to make new events or suggestions feel free to join the workshop discord https://discord.gg/ygjyP2G the event for this will be in the same discord for voice. TRAILER V General rules for the event: Try to stay in a battle line formation as much as possible. Battleships/battlecruisers will be using AP only. Each team will have 2 commanders of the line one in the lead and one to the rear of each battle line. If one of the commanders is taken out of the battle, the ship next in line takes command as flag ship. Chapter 2 - The Grand Battle UK mission- The battlecruisers are on the retreat intercept the german fleet and engage them from a battle line and surround the german fleet and pumble them into submission. Attempt to sink the rest of the German navy before they can try to escape to the map border. UK ships- 10 battleships and 2 other classes. 3 Queen Elizabeth classes including Warspite, 3 Orion class BBs , 2 Iron Dukes, 2 Bellerophon's, and 2 Other can either be a tier 2 dd or a tier 2 cruiser for spotting and supporting fire and smoke support no torpedos. Kaiserliche Marine Mission- Form a battle line and intercept the Grand Fleet. Try to sink 3-4 ships, or just inflict more casualties than the royal navy has before trying to retreat and avoid getting crossed by the T. Kaiserliche Marine Ships- 9 battleships and 3 other types of ship. 3 Konigs, 3 Kaisers, 3 Nassaus. And 3 other types, being tier 2-3 cruisers and DDs for spotting and artillery support and smoking support Torpedoes may only used in a fleet retreat and is limited to 1 reload. here are some pictures from the last event V
  15. Battle of Jutland We will try this on this next coming Friday on Nov 30th 11/30/18. 9:30-11:30PM US Eastern standard time , 8:30-10:30 PM US CENTRAL TIME, 7:30-9:30 PM US MOUNTAIN TIME, 6:30-7:30 PM US PACIFIC TIME , 11:30AM -1:30 PM in Sydney Australia 9:30 AM - 11:30 AM in Perth Australia. This will be in the training room labeled "battle of jutland". search for training rooms by Outwardpanicjoe. if anyone is interested in helping to make new events or suggestions feel free to join the workshop discord https://discord.gg/ygjyP2G the event for this will be in the same discord for voice. TRAILER V General rules for the event: Try to stay in a battle line formation as much as possible. Battleships/battlecruisers will be using AP only. Each team will have 2 commanders of the line one in the lead and one to the rear of each battle line. If one of the commanders is taken out of the battle, the ship next in line takes command as flag ship. Chapter 1- First Contact UK mission - The British will have their battlecruiser Division out and will try to eliminate all of the German battlecruiser fleet - chase them across the map, if you have to. Don't lose more than 4 battlecruisers in the engagement. If you get down to 4 battlecruisers or are engaged by the German High Seas Fleet, fall back to the map border. UK Ships - You will have 9 ships at your disposal. Since we don't have any battlecruisers for the UK other then the Hood, we will use 9 Ishizuchi as a stand-in. If you have a white camo, use that to cover the ship and put on a jutland banner. Like this picture V. Kaiserliche Marine Mission - The Germans will have their battlecruiser squadron scouting ahead while the main fleet stays behind in formation at spawn. If you come across the UK battlecruisers, engage them and take out 5 of their cruisers by luring then into the guns of the high seas fleet. Kaiserliche Marine Ships - Since we don't have any WW1 era German battlecruisers in here yet, so we will just use a combination of Konig alberts/ kaisers with A hull but upgraded engines with speed flags and Graf Spees that equal 5 battlecruisers as stand ins. Use of torpedoes is prohibited. Germany will also have 5-7 battleships of tiers 3-5 (preferably Konigs and Kaisers) as backup in formation for a trap so the battlecruisers can lure them in to the crossfire. Chapter 2 - The Grand Battle UK mission- The battlecruisers are on the retreat intercept the german fleet and engage them from a battle line and surround the german fleet and pumble them into submission. Attempt to sink the rest of the German navy before they can try to escape to the map border. UK ships- 10 battleships and 2 other classes. 3 Queen Elizabeth classes including Warspite, 3 Orion class BBs , 2 Iron Dukes, 2 Bellerophon's, and 2 Other can either be a tier 2 dd or a tier 2 cruiser for spotting and supporting fire no torpedos. Kaiserliche Marine Mission- Form a battle line and intercept the Grand Fleet. Try to sink 3-4 ships, or just inflict more casualties than the royal navy has before trying to retreat and avoid getting crossed by the T. Kaiserliche Marine Ships- 9 battleships and 3 other types of ship. 3 Konigs, 3 Kaisers, 3 Nassaus. And 3 other types, being tier 2-3 cruisers and DDs for spotting and artillery support Torpedoes may only used in a fleet retreat and is limited to 1-2 reloads . Chapter 3 - The Night Battle UK mission- During a night battle, it is too dangerous for us to deploy our dreadnoughts due to the German’s superior night fighting equipment. Instead, you will command three destroyer flotillas, each led by a light cruiser. You will chase down the german fleet, your mission is to sink at least one battleship and damage at least five ships before the german fleet can make it to the other side of the map border. UK Ships - 9 Medea class DDs and 3 tier 2-3 Light Cruisers. Kaiserliche Marine Mission- German mission is to to break though the british destroyer flotillas- Try to not lose any battleships but a minimum of three battleships should make it to the safety of the map border. Use your escorts to help scout and protect yourselves from the British DDs. Kaiserliche Marine Ships- 6 German BBs a tier 3-5 with at least 3 Nassaus preferably and for the battleships escorts you can have any tier 2-3 german cruisers and tier 2-3 german dds you must have a minimum of 2 ship from both classes light cruisers and DDs.
  16. Hello! I thought this was an interesting question to pose to the community. As you guys know, the scuttling of the German High Seas Fleet at Scapa Flow was a great event in the waning hours of the First World War that eliminated a lot of warships. These ranged from little destroyers to grand battleships. For historical conjecture (I doubt this would've happened in real life), let's say that the Germans was allowed to maintain the ships that were heading to Scapa Flow in a disarmed state. Let's also say that the Nazi Party rises like it did in our timeline, but their new Kriegsmarine is bolstered by all of this old German equipment. If you were a German admiral looking at this fleet, what would you do with the ships? Would you scrap them all to make room for more advanced designs or would you upgrade them to help bolster the surface fleet? Also, how would keeping this fleet have affected German naval development during the Second World War? Here is a link to all the ships that were sunk at Scapa Flow during the scuttling: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttling_of_the_German_fleet_in_Scapa_Flow#In_captivity Thanks!
  17. outwardpanicjoe

    hunt for the bismarck event

  18. anonym_auUiRfWCi1jI

    Battle of Jutland, 1916, World War I

    http://upload.wikime...Fleet_sails.jpg (British Royal Navy, 1914) The Germans called it the Battle of Skagerrak, while history recorded it at the Battle of Jutland (BOJ) of 1916 in North Sea near Jutland, Denmark. It was the largest naval battle between opposing battleships during the war between the British Royal Navy's Grand Fleet and the Imperial German Navy's High Seas Fleet. British forces maintained a blockade of mercentile shipping into German ports, the reason the German's planned a rouge to lure out, ambush, and destroy some or all of the opposition. The British flotilla was comprised of 151 British, Australian, and Canadian ships. The composition included 28 battleships, 9 battlecruisers, 8 armoured cruisers, 26 light cruisers, 78 destroyers, 1 minelayer, and 1 seaplane. The Imperial German Navy was comprised of 99 ships. The composition included 16 battleships, 5 battle cruisers, 6 pre-dreadnoughts, 11 light cruisers, and 61 torpedo boats. German's strategy was to lure out British ships using fast-scouting battlecruisers, while laying an ambush of submarines. However, the British intercepted radio signals, and determined a major fleet operation was imminent. On May 30th, the British sailed out, passing over unprepared German submarines, and making steam for the Imperial German Fleet, to engage and destory, at the very least, contain the threat against its own shipping lanes. Sir John Jellicoe commanded the Grand Fleet, while Vice-Admiral Reihnard Scheer, the High Seas Fleet. Franz Hipper commanded the fast-scouting group, while Vice-Admiral Sir David Beatty, the British battlecruiser squadrons. On the afternoon of May 31, leading the British flotilla, Beatty spotted Hipper's forces, engaging and following the German rouge towards the awaiting trap. Beatty sighted the large German force, but not in time before losing 2 battlecruisers, 4 battleships versus Hipper's losses of 5 ships. Sir Hugh Evan-Thomas, commander of the last battleship to turn around, formed a rearguard as Beatty withdrew. At this point, British strategy was to retreat into its main fleet, drawing German forces towards British positions. As the sun lowered on the western horizon, backlit German forces closed on the retreating Beatty. About 8:30 PM, the combined two fleets of 250 ships - directly engaged twice. In the aftermath, both sides suffered massive losses during the night battle. At the conclusion of the battle, the British flotilla lost 6,094 sailors, 674 wounded, and 177 captured. In addition, ship losses included 3 battlecruisers, 3 armoured cruisers, and 8 destroyers. In contrast, the German lost 2,551 sailors with 507 wounded. Ship losses included 1 pre-dreadnought, 1 battlecruiser, 4 light cruisers, and 5 torpedo-boats. Jellicoe moved to remove the German's retreat, in hopes of continuing the engagement in the morning. However, under the cover of darkness, Scheer managed to break out and returned to port. To this day, both sides debate the claim of victory, that while the British lost more ships and sailors, the German's had failed remove the blockade. Additionally, do the Germany's inability to remove the blockade, let alone reduce the British advantage, they realigned their goal and resources to developing unrestrictive submarine warfare with the strategy of destroying Allied and neutral shipping. This brief obviousely does not address the details of each nation's strategy, deployment, Order of battle, and fleet actions, as that data is monumental and lengthy in scope. Yet, it should be noted that while this was the largest naval battle, it was only the third-ever fleet action between steel battleships, namely the Battle of the Yellow Sea in 1904 and Tsushima in 1905.
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