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  1. Ciryandil

    Småland is a fun boat!

    Here are the results of two battles that I had in the Småland. I am really enjoying her. I am beginning to think that the 2 million Free XP that I spent was actually worth it.....
  2. C0SM0KRAMER

    [SWEDE] SWEDISH DESTROYERS

    All Captains are very welcome to join the open clan [SWEDE] SWEDISH DESTROYERS The clan is open for ALL players and we have absolutely no demands at all just play the game and have fun. We will not participate on the global map but we will pool our oil for the buffs to all members. Welcome with your application to join and see ya out there on the sea! And off corse are fans of the new swedish destroyer line extra welcome !! /Best Regards C0SMOKRAMER
  3. I haven't played the IJN DD line much, focusing on other things instead, but have decided to give it a go. I know that the detection range for torpedoes is horrific and it has a lot of problems, but it's just what I've been in the mood to play lately. I am at the Isokaze and am not sure what line I should go up. I was just curious on opinions about the main line as opposed to the alternative line. Thoughts?
  4. In the newsfeed today, WOWs is featuring the Kidd. I love this little ship, but she's not an easy ship to be good in and with the current meta, you can't just sail into caps thinking that you're going to bully any other dd out. RED DDs BRING FRIENDS, usually of the cruiser variety and often with radar or hydro. From the newsfeed, " VIII Kidd is a U.S. destroyer that can pose a real threat to Key Areas and is ideal for short-range knife fights with enemy counterparts". So, how often this weekend are we going to watch new KIdd drivers sail into caps to pick a fight with dds only to get crossfired by the cruisers that they didn't see? Heal and smoke aren't enough to make up for stupid. The worst part of this is that these players will have payed $40 for a premium USN dd that has a steep learning curve and when they don't do well, they will trash her name......and they will break my heart. She is a REAL museum ship (usskidd.com) if anyone wants to visit her. Watching multiple Kidds die in the first 5 minutes of battle over the weekend is not going to be fun. I think that I need a virtual hug.
  5. Sea_Law

    Best Torp Botes

    Hey Guys, I'm a relatively new DD player and i like being a torpedo boat, so naturally i tried IJN, im up to the Isokaze, and its great, I love it. I really like the line but i hear from every single person that the IJN dds are shiz after the nerfs to torp stealth and the guns, and tell me that ijn dds in general are crap, They say that shima is worst T10 dd in the game, and now i dont know if i really want to play through the IJN line anymore. I honestly dont care about guns, (i don't know how to use them without being nuked ;) because i dont use them that often, so what would you guys say?. Also how effective is the akizuki line at knife fighting and how is the manuevrability and concealment on them??
  6. Got frustrated playing my Gearing in Ranked, so I decided to revisit an old friend. She only has a 10 point captain these days, but she plays as tough as I remember. The game wasn't easy; I had to work hard and keep my head on a swivel, but the results speak for themselves. The Clemson is still a powerful ship at her tier. It was nice to get a little affirmation that I'm not a complete potato player So, if you're feeling a bit frustrated this weekend, try going back to your roots. The Clemson, the Nicholas, the Farragut are all great ships, even with the CVs lurking about. Try getting reacquainted with an old friend.
  7. Ships that lay smoke screens should be given credit (XP) for every second a teammate spends in their smoke screen. I've got shot to pieces covering a teammate. Does not saving a high value teammate, or giving the cruisers and BBs a place to shoot from count? It is a DD's job, but no credit?
  8. A researchable European Tier I cruiser, Tier II-X destroyers, as well as a European special Tier X destroyer 'Småland' will be added to the game in the upcoming super test session. Polish, Austro-Hungarian and Swedish ships are among them. Currently, the concept of European destroyers brings the following features: Very fast torpedoes with relatively low damage and long range; Artillery is similar to that of American destroyers: quite effective in close combat but weaker than that of artillery-focused destroyers; The speed of the new destroyers is relatively low: 35 knots at Tiers VII - X. It can be increased by an Engine Boost consumable found in a dedicated slot, giving a standard bonus of 8%; Starting from Tier VII, the AA defense of European destroyers has a large area of effect and deals good damage; Presence of Repair Party: at Tiers V - VIII it is the same as on British destroyers, and at Tiers IX and X this consumable will be active for 4 seconds longer; Starting from Tier VIII, ships are equipped with Surveillance Radar in a dedicated slot. It has an action time of 15 seconds and a range of up to 7.5 km; Lack of Smoke Generator and relatively high detection range: when fighting with other destroyers for key areas it's better to rely on Surveillance Radar and torpedoes. European cruiser Gryf, Tier I Hit points – 7550. Plating - 6 mm. Main battery - 4x1 120 mm. Firing range - 10.7 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 850. Chance to cause fire – 8%. HE initial velocity - 900 m/s. Reload time - 4.5 s. 180 degree turn time - 18.0 s. Maximum dispersion - 96 m. Sigma – 2.00. Maximum speed - 20.0 kt. Turning circle radius - 360 m. Rudder shift time – 3.8 s. Surface detectability – 7.4 km. Air detectability – 5.4 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 2.6 km. Available consumables: 1 slot - Damage Control Party European destroyer Tátra, Tier II Hit points – 8100. Plating - 6 mm. Main battery - 2x1 100 mm. Firing range - 9.1 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 1450. Chance to cause fire – 6%. HE initial velocity - 880 m/s. Maximum AP shell damage - 1650. AP initial velocity - 880 m/s. Reload time - 5.0 s. 180 degree turn time - 18.0 s. Maximum dispersion - 83 m. Sigma – 2.00. Torpedo tubes - 2x3 450 mm. Maximum damage - 5100. Range - 8.0 km. Speed - 55 kt. Reload time - 40 s. Launcher 180 degree turn time – 7.2 s. Torpedo detectability - 1.2 km. Maximum speed - 32.5 kt. Turning circle radius - 460 m. Rudder shift time – 2.1 s. Surface detectability – 6.2 km. Air detectability – 2.4 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 2.0 km. Available consumables: 1 slot - Damage Control Party 2 slot - Engine Boost European destroyer Romulus, tier III Hit points – 7700. Plating - 6 mm. Main battery - 3x1 120 mm. Firing range - 9.5 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 1700. Chance to cause fire – 8%. HE initial velocity - 800 m/s. Maximum AP shell damage - 2000. AP initial velocity - 800 m/s. Reload time - 6.5 s. 180 degree turn time - 18.0 s. Maximum dispersion - 86 m. Sigma – 2.00. Torpedo tubes - 1x2, 1x4 450 mm. Maximum damage - 5100. Range - 8.0 km. Speed - 55 kt. Reload time - 40 s. Launcher 180 degree turn time – 7.2 s. Torpedo detectability - 1.2 km. Maximum speed - 34.0 kt. Turning circle radius - 440 m. Rudder shift time – 2.1 s. Surface detectability – 6.9 km. Air detectability – 2.3 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 2.5 km. Available consumables: 1 slot - Damage Control Party 2 slot - Engine Boost European destroyer Klas Horn, tier IV Hit points – 8000. Plating - 10 mm. Main battery - 1x2, 2x1 120 mm. Firing range - 9.5 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 1700. Chance to cause fire – 8%. HE initial velocity - 800 m/s. Maximum AP shell damage - 2000. AP initial velocity - 800 m/s. Reload time - 6.5 s. 180 degree turn time - 18.0 s. Maximum dispersion - 86 m. Sigma – 2.00. Torpedo tubes - 2x3 533 mm. Maximum damage - 7533. Range - 9.0 km. Speed - 65 kt. Reload time - 55 s. Launcher 180 degree turn time – 7.2 s. Torpedo detectability - 1.4 km. Maximum speed - 37.8 kt. Turning circle radius - 500 m. Rudder shift time – 2.1 s. Surface detectability – 7.1 km. Air detectability – 2.8 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 2.5 km. Available consumables: 1 slot - Damage Control Party 2 slot - Engine Boost European destroyer Visby, tier V Hit points – 9600. Plating - 10 mm. Main battery - 1x1, 2x2 120 mm. Firing range - 9.5 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 1700. Chance to cause fire – 8%. HE initial velocity - 900 m/s. Maximum AP shell damage - 2200. AP initial velocity - 900 m/s. Reload time - 6.5 s. 180 degree turn time - 18.0 s. Maximum dispersion - 86 m. Sigma – 2.00. Torpedo tubes - 2x3 533 mm. Maximum damage - 7533. Range - 9.0 km. Speed - 65 kt. Reload time - 55 s. Launcher 180 degree turn time – 7.2 s. Torpedo detectability - 1.4 km. AA defense: 2x1 40.0 mm, 8x1 20.0 mm, 1x2 40.0 mm. AA defense short-range: continuous damage per second - 91, hit probability - 95 %, action zone 0.1-2.0 km; AA defense mid-range: continuous damage per second - 67, hit probability - 100 %, action zone 0.1-3.5 km; Maximum speed - 39.0 kt. Turning circle radius - 540 m. Rudder shift time – 2.5 s. Surface detectability – 7.1 km. Air detectability – 2.8 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 2.5 km. Available consumables: 1 slot - Damage Control Party 2 slot - Engine Boost 3 slot - Repair Party [Duration time 10 s; HP per second 1%; Reload time 120 (80) s; Charges 1 (2)]; European destroyer Västerås, tier VI Hit points – 12100. Plating - 16 mm. Main battery - 3x2 120 mm. Firing range - 9.9 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 1700. Chance to cause fire – 8%. HE initial velocity - 900 m/s. Maximum AP shell damage - 2200. AP initial velocity - 900 m/s. Reload time - 6.5 s. 180 degree turn time - 18.0 s. Maximum dispersion - 89 m. Sigma – 2.00. Torpedo tubes - 2x3 533 mm. Maximum damage - 7533. Range - 10.0 km. Speed - 65 kt. Reload time - 55 s. Launcher 180 degree turn time – 7.2 s. Torpedo detectability - 1.4 km. AA defense: 2x1 25.0 mm, 3x2 40.0 mm. AA defense short-range: continuous damage per second - 18, hit probability - 95 %, action zone 0.1-2.5 km; AA defense mid-range: continuous damage per second - 88, hit probability - 100 %, action zone 0.1-3.5 km; Maximum speed - 38.0 kt. Turning circle radius - 590 m. Rudder shift time – 3.0 s. Surface detectability – 7.7 km. Air detectability – 3.2 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 2.8 km. Available consumables: 1 slot - Damage Control Party 2 slot - Engine Boost 3 slot - Repair Party [Duration time 10 s; HP per second 1%; Reload time 120 (80) s; Charges 1 (2)]; European destroyer Skåne, tier VII Hit points – 13000. Plating - 16 mm. Main battery - 2x2 120 mm. Firing range - 10.1 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 1700. Chance to cause fire – 7%. HE initial velocity - 850 m/s. Maximum AP shell damage - 2150. AP initial velocity - 850 m/s. Reload time - 3.5 s. 180 degree turn time - 18.0 s. Maximum dispersion - 91 m. Sigma – 2.00. Torpedo tubes - 2x3 533 mm. Maximum damage - 7533. Range - 12.0 km. Speed - 76 kt. Reload time - 55 s. Launcher 180 degree turn time – 7.2 s. Torpedo detectability - 1.6 km. AA defense: 3x2 40.0 mm, 4x2 25.0 mm, 2x2 120.0 mm. AA defense short-range: continuous damage per second - 39, hit probability - 95 %, action zone 0.1-2.5 km; AA defense mid-range: continuous damage per second - 67, hit probability - 100 %, action zone 0.1-3.5 km; AA defense long-range: continuous damage per second - 70, hit probability - 100 %, action zone 0.1-6.0 km; Number of explosions in a salvo - 2, damage within an explosion - 1470, action zone 3.5 - 6.0 km. Maximum speed - 35.0 kt. Turning circle radius - 610 m. Rudder shift time – 3.2 s. Surface detectability – 7.7 km. Air detectability – 3.5 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 2.8 km. Available consumables: 1 slot - Damage Control Party 2 slot - Engine Boost 3 slot - Repair Party [Duration time 10 s; HP per second 1%; Reload time 120 (80) s; Charges 1 (2)]; European destroyer Öland, tier VIII Hit points – 14100. Plating - 19 mm. Main battery - 2x2 120 mm. Firing range - 10.1 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 1700. Chance to cause fire – 7%. HE initial velocity - 850 m/s. Maximum AP shell damage - 2150. AP initial velocity - 850 m/s. Reload time - 3.5 s. 180 degree turn time - 18.0 s. Maximum dispersion - 91 m. Sigma – 2.00. Torpedo tubes - 2x3 533 mm. Maximum damage - 10700. Range - 12.0 km. Speed - 76 kt. Reload time - 70 s. Launcher 180 degree turn time – 7.2 s. Torpedo detectability - 1.6 km. AA defense: 2x1 40.0 mm, 7x1 25.0 mm, 3x2 40.0 mm, 2x2 120.0 mm. AA defense short-range: continuous damage per second - 46, hit probability - 95 %, action zone 0.1-2.5 km; AA defense mid-range: continuous damage per second - 161, hit probability - 100 %, action zone 0.1-3.5 km; AA defense long-range: continuous damage per second - 63, hit probability - 100 %, action zone 0.1-6.0 km; Number of explosions in a salvo - 4, damage within an explosion - 1540, action zone 3.5 - 6.0 km. Maximum speed - 35.0 kt. Turning circle radius - 610 m. Rudder shift time – 3.4 s. Surface detectability – 8.0 km. Air detectability – 3.5 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 2.9 km. Available consumables: 1 slot - Damage Control Party 2 slot - Engine Boost 3 slot - Repair Party [Duration time 10 s; HP per second 1%; Reload time 120 (80) s; Charges 1 (2)]; 4 slot - Surveillance Radar [Duration time 15 s; Detection of ships 7.5 km; Reload time 180 (120) s; Charges 2 (3)] European destroyer Östergötland, tier IX Hit points – 15800. Plating - 19 mm. Main battery - 2x2 120 mm. Firing range - 10.2 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 1700. Chance to cause fire – 7%. HE initial velocity - 850 m/s. Maximum AP shell damage - 2150. AP initial velocity - 850 m/s. Reload time - 3.0 s. 180 degree turn time - 18.0 s. Maximum dispersion - 91 m. Sigma – 2.00. Torpedo tubes - 1x3, 1x5 533 mm. Maximum damage - 10700. Range - 15.0 km. Speed - 86 kt. Reload time - 90 s. Launcher 180 degree turn time – 7.2 s. Torpedo detectability - 1.8 km. AA defense: 7x1 40.0 mm, 2x2 120.0 mm. AA defense mid-range: continuous damage per second - 326, hit probability - 100 %, action zone 0.1-3.5 km; AA defense long-range: continuous damage per second - 70, hit probability - 100 %, action zone 0.1-6.0 km; Number of explosions in a salvo - 4, damage within an explosion - 1610, action zone 3.5 - 6.0 km. Maximum speed - 35.0 kt. Turning circle radius - 610 m. Rudder shift time – 3.7 s. Surface detectability – 8.0 km. Air detectability – 3.5 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 2.9 km. Available consumables: 1 slot - Damage Control Party 2 slot - Engine Boost 3 slot - Repair Party [Duration time 14 s; HP per second 1%; Reload time 120 (80) s; Charges 1 (2)]; 4 slot - Surveillance Radar [Duration time 15 s; Detection of ships 7.5 km; Reload time 180 (120) s; Charges 2 (3)] European destroyer Halland, tier X Hit points – 19200. Plating - 19 mm. Main battery - 2x2 120 mm. Firing range - 10.4 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 1750. Chance to cause fire – 8%. HE initial velocity - 825 m/s. Maximum AP shell damage - 2100. AP initial velocity - 825 m/s. Reload time - 2.5 s. 180 degree turn time - 7.2 s. Maximum dispersion - 93 m. Sigma – 2.00. Torpedo tubes - 2x5 533 mm. Maximum damage - 10700. Range - 15.0 km. Speed - 86 kt. Reload time - 110 s. Launcher 180 degree turn time – 7.2 s. Torpedo detectability - 1.8 km. AA defense: 6x1 40.0 mm, 1x2 57.0 mm, 2x2 120.0 mm. AA defense mid-range: continuous damage per second - 337, hit probability - 100 %, action zone 0.1-5.0 km; AA defense long-range: continuous damage per second - 140, hit probability - 100 %, action zone 0.1-6.0 km; Number of explosions in a salvo - 6, damage within an explosion - 1890, action zone 3.5 - 6.0 km. Maximum speed - 35.0 kt. Turning circle radius - 660 m. Rudder shift time – 4.3 s. Surface detectability – 8.9 km. Air detectability – 4.0 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 3.3 km. Available consumables: 1 slot - Damage Control Party 2 slot - Engine Boost 3 slot - Repair Party [Duration time 14 s; HP per second 1%; Reload time 120 (80) s; Charges 1 (2)]; 4 slot - Surveillance Radar [Duration time 15 s; Detection of ships 7.5 km; Reload time 180 (120) s; Charges 2 (3)] European destroyer Småland, tier X Unlike Halland, Smalland has no Surveillance Radar and has fewer torpedoes, but her detectability is 1 km lower. This is more classical "torpedo-focused" destroyer, involving the game of stealth. Hit points – 19200. Plating - 19 mm. Main battery - 2x2 120 mm. Firing range - 10.4 km. Maximum HE shell damage – 1750. Chance to cause fire – 8%. HE initial velocity - 825 m/s. Maximum AP shell damage - 2100. AP initial velocity - 825 m/s. Reload time - 2.5 s. 180 degree turn time - 7.2 s. Maximum dispersion - 93 m. Sigma – 2.00. Torpedo tubes - 1x3, 1x5 533 mm. Maximum damage - 10700. Range - 15.0 km. Speed - 86 kt. Reload time - 110 s. Launcher 180 degree turn time – 7.2 s. Torpedo detectability - 1.8 km. AA defense: 6x1 40.0 mm, 1x2 57.0 mm, 2x2 120.0 mm. AA defense mid-range: continuous damage per second - 337, hit probability - 100 %, action zone 0.1-5.0 km; AA defense long-range: continuous damage per second - 140, hit probability - 100 %, action zone 0.1-6.0 km; Number of explosions in a salvo - 6, damage within an explosion - 1890, action zone 3.5 - 6.0 km. Maximum speed - 35.0 kt. Turning circle radius - 660 m. Rudder shift time – 4.3 s. Surface detectability – 7.9 km. Air detectability – 3.5 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke – 2.9 km. Available consumables: 1 slot - Damage Control Party 2 slot - Engine Boost 3 slot - Repair Party [Duration time 14 s; HP per second 1%; Reload time 120 (80) s; Charges 1 (2)]; All stats are listed without crew and upgrade modifiers, but with the best available modules. Please note that the information in the Development Blog is preliminary and subject to change.
  9. Charlie2Pen

    CV vs DD balance

    so I've been playing for four years and took an eight month break to come back and find that CV's have made destroyers completely obsolete. I did my homework and have seen that this has been an issue since the rework just after i stopped playing and has been hot fixed over and over and yet I'm still getting 1 shot by rockets within two minutes of the game starting. if i even look at a flag the wrong way i get 2 fires, broken engine and rudder along with the 3/4ths of my health it hit me for. how is this considered balanced? I know people must get tired of hearing dd players complain but I'm not even a dedicated destroyer player i only have 2 T10 dd's working on my 3rd. i just think there needs to be some compromise, obviously you cant have dds be immune or they go carrier hunting and then that's unbalanced but the game isn't in a healthy spot as it is. this is my first time ever posting a topic, never even commented on one i usually believe in sucking it up and just dealing with it but i really want to know if its just me not being good with dd's and it really isn't that bad, or is this still an issue?
  10. In searching for the 1939 Gibbs & Cox destroyer design for the Soviet Union, I searched through some congressional testimony and documents and found a letter that was not printed. So, I send out numerous requests to NARA and Gibbs & Cox to see if this letter with more information could be found. And it was. But not only was the letter found, there was another bonus in the email: So, I am humbly asking for anyone in DC to help me out here: I was given "File 711.00111 Armament Control Military Secrets/1996 in the series: Central Decimal File, 1930-1939; General Records of the Department of State, Record Group 59. " NARA notes that there are "two oversized design and specification plans that are too large to reproduce." If anyone could go to the archives and find these drawings and photograph them in as much detail as possible, it would be amazing. This would be something completely new for the online naval history community, as there is barely any information compiled about this design online. Thank you for anyone who is willing to help me and everyone else on this matter.
  11. Mad_Mandolorian

    Are Gun DDs better than CLs?

    I've been playing wows for a while now, (I admit to taking a long break last summer) and have focused mostly on light cruisers. I've noticed that I'm having issues combating Gun focused destroyers, they'll kite to maximum range, dodge my fire and hail down return fire and while I do still land hits they can out dps me meaning they often win the engagement. After one too many deaths it got me thinking, What can a CL do that a DD cant? AA for one, but if a CV wants you dead you're dead regardless of ship, CLs also heave more health but DDs lack citadels, are faster more mobile and smaller targets, CLs tend to have more guns with a slightly larger caliber (although now that some DDs are getting 130+mm that debatable) but DDs have much better rate of fire meaning the shots/sec tend to be in the destroyer's favor. CLs might have longer range but DDs are stealthier and hold a distinct advantage at long range. The CL may win close range gun duals but all DDs have torpedoes and more importantly the speed and stealth to dictate the engagement. so ultimately am I missing some critical flaw in DDs or are CLs relegated to being consumable batteries for BBs, not daring to shoot lest they be spotted and citideled, or burned alive in open water by DDs doing the CL's job better than the CL ever could?
  12. AMajor

    Aiming your guns in a dd

    For all of you (myself included) who watched the original Captain's Academy and were frustrated because you could never get the crosshairs to jive with the shell time, we were NOT crazy. The dynamic crosshairs have a bias for distance.
  13. I've been testing the hill, and it has very poor hull armor, if you're attacked by rockets, you're fried .. projectiles from other DD do you a lot of damage, and it's been checked and the hull of the hill is basically the hull B of the FARRAGUT, they are exact with the difference that the farragut has better armor than the HILL, also if we compare it the NICHOLAS has better armor and HP than the HILL, it would be good to rejust the armor and Hp of the HILL. from rest the boat is good. compare armoreds DD: vampire T3 10mm as armor hill T5 o farragut T6 brothers hill 16mm nicholas T5 15mm hill t5 with amor T3 10mm clemson T4 13mm NICHOLAS GUNS & CONCEALMENT IS TOTAL BETTER NINJA HILL BOTTOM IS ALMOST EVERYTHING all DD lower Tier has Better armored thah HILL. please Wg UP armored hill... the torps are useless very slower & short range
  14. Now, I know what most will think; probably a prank to get a quick laugh. But sometimes crazy events actually happen in real life. Coca Cola and Pepsi in general were big competitors in the Soviet Union as well, with Pepsi having an almost complete monopoly at that time. Their competition is even nicknamed "Cola wars" This is how Pepsi in 1989 found itself being a significant naval power (17 submarines, 1 frigate, 1 destroyer, 1 cruiser). Granted, they were obsolete; the subs were of the diesel electric variety, not nuclear ones, but Pepsi got the whole package for the bargain price of 3 billion dollars. Sadly I was unable to find the exact types. However, based on timing, a Sverdlov class cruiser, Aleksandr Nevsky and Whiskey Class submarines could fit the bill. Of course, this fleet was never really used, it was merely a valuable source of scrap with which a by then failing USSR closed a big deal with Pepsi. Still, found out literally out of nowhere, thought it's a pretty interesting and funny story. The head of Pepsi at the time, Donald M. Kendall even said to President Bush (Senior) that Anyway, with the introduction done, here's the original digitised article: https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/10/opinion/foreign-affairs-soviets-buy-american.html And a meme pic I found: SS "Fizzy", flagship of the glorious Pepsian fleet .
  15. Destroyers versus Carrier Aircraft need help. This proposal in aimed to do exactly that: save the Destroyer from Carriers, but within REASON. Goal of the proposed change: Give all Destroyers a dedicated defensive "Fighter Patrol Squadrons" Consumable that remains active for X minutes and respawns destroyed "Fighter Patrol Squadrons" during that time frame. This will enable Destroyers to capture a zone at game start and fully protect themselves from enemy Aircraft Carriers for a limited amount of time. Reason for the proposed change: Destroyers are the ships that normally capture zones and they need special protection to at least enable them to capture ONE zone, especially when their fleet does not protect them from enemy Aircraft. If the Destroyers of a fleet fail to capture a zone at the start of the match due to enemy Aircraft, then that usually also decides the outcome of the match. That is very bad for game play. The proposed Consumable should allow every Destroyer to capture at least one zone even when facing an enemy Aircraft Carrier. This is to be a new and a unique "Fighter Patrol Squadrons" Consumable, for Destroyers ONLY, that works very different from the "Fighter Squadron" Consumable that currently exists in the game. The Characteristics of the proposed "Fighter Patrol Squadrons" Consumable change: It is a consumable that is only available to all Destroyers at all Tiers that face a Carrier and the Consumable is only available to a Destroyer when they are in a match with enemy Carriers (if not then it is hidden). It can only be used once per match for X amount of minutes. The "Fighter Patrol Squadrons" Consumable consists of two parts: one on-map, one off-map. The on-map part of the "Fighter Patrol Squadrons" Consumable consists of a single Fighter Patrol Squadron, consisting of X Fighter Aircraft, that flies at low altitude above the Destroyer in a circle pattern (like the existing "Fighter Squadron" Consumable does). The on-map part "Fighter Patrol Squadrons" can be spotted, damaged and destroyed by enemy Aircraft and enemy AA/Flak because they fly at low altitude. The off-map (very high altitude) part of the "Fighter Patrol Squadrons" consists of an unlimited number of Fighter Patrol Squadrons that will replace the on-map (low altitude) Fighter Patrol Squadron if it is destroyed. This replacing takes place X seconds after the on-map Fighter Patrol Squadron is destroyed. The off-map (high altitude) part of the "Fighter Patrol Squadrons" Consumable consists of an unlimited number of Fighter Patrol Squadrons that fly at very high altitude above a Destroyer and thus above the range of enemy Anti-Aircraft Artillery/Flak/Fighters. They are not visually represented on the map and mini map, they cannot spot and they cannot be attacked nor can they attack. The "Fighter Patrol Squadrons" Consumable has a radius that is 25% LARGER that than of the current best Fighter Squadron in the game. When enemy Aircraft enter the "Fighter Patrol Squadrons" circle, the on-map part of the "Fighter Patrol Squadrons" will move in to attack them, like the current "Fighter Squadron" Consumable does. If the on-map Fighter Patrol Squadron of the "Fighter Patrol Squadrons" Consumable is destroyed it will be replaced by a full Hit Point Fighter Patrol Squadron that travels down from very high altitude to low altitude within X seconds after the last on-map Fighter Patrol aircraft was destroyed. The on-map and off-map part of the "Fighter Patrol Squadrons" Consumable cannot spot. That simulates that there is no direct communication between the Destroyer and the Fighter Patrol Squadrons, like usually was the case in real life in WW2. The on-map part of the "Fighter Patrol Squadrons" Consumable can spot only for itself, but cannot share data on what it spots with the Destroyer and the fleet. It is advisable to combine this "Fighter Patrol Squadron Consumable proposal" with the "AA/Flak and Carrier Aircraft proposal for Tier 8-10" that is described in another topic.
  16. (Keep in mind I'm not a DD main) No matter what ship main you are you cant deny that DDs are in a rather bad spot right now between common CVs and Radar. So, I've thought of some ideas that can help the DDs out a bit (these may not be the best but they are better then nothing and Far better then just removing CVs bla bla blah) 1: Give Destroyers the Fighter consumable. This may seem odd to some but this will make a DD have Far better odds of survival when being attacked by Carriers, Some will argue that it makes no sense for a Destroyer to have the fighter consumable when it has no catapults. but to that I would argue that it would work the same way as the Fighter consumable for Planes where they call them in from the Carrier. After all Bombers don't have catapults. This also has the benefit of making it WG doesn't need to make so many Blanket Buffs and Nerfs to AA and planes to try to solve the issue. 2: Give all Higher tier Destroyers a Heal like Cruisers, I'm thinking around USS Kidd Level. This will make it that if a Destroyer gets attacked by aircraft or Radared it can at least get some HP back. Though of course the Destroyers like Khab that are based around their Heal will just have a stronger one. 3: (This is more of a change to all ships then just Destroyers) Manual Control of Large caliber Flak. (flack shells for Destroyers) So this is how i would do it: make it that the AA stays the way it currently is But for most ships there is a "4" Button that makes you take Manual control of the flak AA on the ship you are using. for battleships and cruisers this would be their secondaries. but for destroyers these would be their main guns so they would be a little different. While larger ships will just have control of their secondaries etc the destroyers would need to load "Flak shells" in loading these it would change the camera angle to be better suited for following aircraft and would allow you to lock onto planes like you would a ship, then a Aiming recital would appear (similar to the [edited] SPAA or World of Warplanes recital.) and then you fire Flak shells at the aircraft with lead and all Just like you would shoot a ship. this will Drastically improve AA performance but you would need to actually use your guns so this wont be a good idea when enemy ships are close. the AA would perform the same as it does now if you don't use the flack shells. While the last one is Unlikely i would Strongly advise the other two. If you can think of other things they can do for CVs Let me know of that and your thoughts on these ideas below.
  17. Here's Zoup's commentary calling for DDs to get the fighter consumable: So ofc this is totally ridiculous for a whole host of reasons on its face, which does not require detailing in any way, but is a great idea for a starting point to initiate a discussion: @NoZoupForYou idea is slightly off: What you do is you introduce a NEW consumable - one that CALLS IN a CV Automated Fighter (Radio-In Close Air Support), that is not in exchange for any existing consumable, but is baked in so it becomes permanent (some what similar to Atlanta's Permanent DAA - which is also an option for all destroyers: give them perma-DAA), you just adjust the cool-down time to limit the number of potential uses during a match, so it has to be used tactically and can't just be spammed by the DD player. CVs already have Automated Damage Control and an Automated Defensive Fighter; it shouldn't be beyond imagination for the same CV to auto scramble a fighter squadron just like the "T" Key Defensive Fighter Consumable, from the CV that can assist the DD when they realize they are getting primaried by the CV. And the way to offset abuse of this, is to have these assisting fighters have to come from either A) The existing CV's in flight Defensive Fighters, leaving it vulnerable, and introducing a cost if a team member calls it and reduces the survivability of their CV (which would be a bit unfair to CV player); or B) Any Defensive Fighters have to be called from the Carrier Deck, but are not part of the CV players limited squadrons, but are also not limitless either. Or if not this then give all DDs the option of fitting DAA but have it be permanent like the Atlanta perma-DAA, and don't keep nerfing CV performance; just adjust the efficacy of DAA on DDs commensurate with they're type and number of AA emplacements, and historical reference (yes I know the dirty words we dare never speak in this game: historically accurate - not accurate in this case just as a basis for development, and adjust for game conditions. Were some DDs really competent in their later AA designs during WWII or were some Nations exceedingly slow to retrofit if at all DDs for AA?, etc.) Anyway, I think this opens a good discussion, because imo not every solution needs to be a nerf; some solutions can be a counter 'buff' to another class that balances out the game play of how players are actually playing vs 'shoe horning' a class into the meta via a nerf. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Anyway, that's my 'two cents' to add to this interesting discussion. Please get in on the conversation and share what you think of this, or any other ideas to WGing, that would level out DD vs CV game play (if anything at all)? *(Oh and @NoZoupForYou - KAGA! :P )
  18. One of the often-overlooked changes in the recent-ish patches was the addition of a 6s a relay delay to radar, where anything spotted on radar takes 6s to be lit up to allies to shoot it. Meanwhile, one of the big common complaints with CVs is their ability to spot things easily and effectively, particularly DDs, which rely on stealth instead of health (CV complaint threads are easily more common than the next several most common threads, combined). The extension of this spotting delay to anything planes spot seems to be a logical step. As far as gameplay is concerned, this would give ships more time to react to being spotted, perhaps hiding a citadel a bit better, getting a chance to smoke up, or finding cover before fire starts pouring in. It would also mean the window for firing on targets during the opening spotting run will be less usable, since the CV would actually have to stay for a bit to get spotting damage. Any thoughts?
  19. FineousFingers

    Sighting change idea

    I’ve only been playing this game for about 5 months, and only started following forums recently, so this may have been suggested long ago and dismissed as unworkable. I haven’t put too much thought into what effect this would have on balance. Change sighting so that in order to be able to see an opposing ship/squadron, you have to actually be in range to see it. No having forward units do your spotting for you. Instead, if an allied ship/squadron can see a unit, it appears on the mini maps of your allies. You know that it’s there, but not precisely enough to use targeted fire. I would apply this to hydro acoustic search and radar as well. This would simulate that one ship can see another and tell their allies where it is, but not precisely enough to target. This would hopefully take some heat off destroyers where carrier planes are concerned. I’m a CV main, and I often feel bad for hanging a squadron over a DD until my teammates delete it. But I do it anyway. What balance issues do you all see with this idea?
  20. So I'm sure there is some more specific section for this topic but hey its general so let the forum admin move it. The CV rework is out for some time now and some patches have been done to address a few issues, I'm sure more will come as I'm not sure they have really addressed the core issue of strike squads being able to just plow through AA as if it doesn't exist and the decline of destroyers being played. In my opinion one of the fundamental issues that still hasn't been addressed with CVs since day one and in my opinion is now actually worse with unlimited planes is the CV is really not at risk itself while being able to repeatedly strike and provide intel for it's team. if we look at most other ships in the game, they have to assume some risk to their actually ship when providing spotting intel to their team, they have to move within a range to actually spot with their ship, CV players can do this with segregates that never put the CV in danger. While I know WoWs is not a realistic sim game, it is based on some realist aspects of naval warfare so my suggestion will reference some. First, CV plane spotting should not be immediately available to the CV's team, there should be a delay in that info being provided. For that matter, this should apply with all spotting regardless of what is spotting in my opinion. Lets talk about a new consumable for AA oriented destroyers first. Advanced warning air radar. This was a real thing, though not a consumable just turned on and off. Fletchers, Gearings, Sumners, upgraded Benson/Gleaves, most later WW2 era UK destroyers had this and they were used as picket ships well ahead of a fleet providing early warning of air strikes incoming. I'm proposing a consumable for certain tier 8 to 10 destroyers that is basically a radar for air only. Range would be 12-15km depending on tier and nation line. Duration could be say 30 to 40 seconds, again depending on tier and nation line. Should be able to be enhanced by the radar upgrade. Next, lets talk long range AA. So in game, long range AA seems to be around 6km give or take and is provided in most cases by dual purpose main guns or secondary guns. So looking at this from a realistic standpoint a 127mm gun should be able to shoot as far at a surface target as it should a target in the air. The AA fire control on the above mentioned destroyers was excellent by late WW2. There are documented incidents of USN Destroyers bullseye hitting IJN planes out of the air at 10,000+ meters. I'm proposing a rework to long range AA (Flak) that allows "MOST" long range AA guns to start shooting planes, if spotted, at about the same range as they could start shooting surface targets, maybe slightly less. For example a Fletchers long range AA (127mm guns) could start shooting planes at say 11km if they are spotted. Battleship, cruiser and aircraft carrier long range AA (most often dual purpose secondary guns) would perhaps get a buff to say 9km to 10km. So obviously with things like the USN and UK light cruiser lines having dual purpose main batteries, spamming 152mm shells at planes 18km to 19km away would be a bit over powered. This would require some long range AA range caps by Wargaming. Next, lets talk spotting ranges of ships on the surface by planes in the sky. So the current mechanic, a ship shoots planes, unless in smoke it is generally spotted or able to be spotted by the planes. This isn't really realistic for WW2 era planes at long ranges mentioned above. Planes would often start taking flak fire and not be able to determine what was shooting at them until they were much closer. So I would propose keeping the same spotting ranges that currently exist. Basically surface ships could stealth fire on planes at certain ranges. Keep in mind we are talking about flak bursts here so the CV player with some skill can avoid much of the incoming flak.
  21. poeticmotion

    Aigle fan club thread

    Anyone who has ever divved with me, talked WoWS with me, or even has heard of me knows about my over-the-top love for the Farragut. Well, Farragut is now my side chick, and I only have eyes for the new tier 6 love of my life. Behold the DD that made me shelve my Farragut (at least for a while)...my sweet Aigle. Aigle is amazing (for my playstyle.) I absolutely understand why she gets a bad rap from some people...this isn't a ship that will work for everyone. For me, she's gudbote and maybe even overpowered, but I cant argue with LWM that she's a mehbote overall. And I doubt I'll continue to do *quite* as well in her as I did in my first 8 games, but I can tell she's going to be a go-to boat for me from now on...especially considering I did as well as I did today with only a 10-point captain and she really needs a 16-point captain to excel (I have PT, LS, SE, and CE per Littlewhitemouse's recommendations, will be adding EM and IFHE as I get the points for them.) She just works for me. She's like the bastard stepchild of a Farragut and a Khabarovsk, feel-wise if not quite stat-wise. Her handling is a bit clumsy, as was pointed out by others, and her shell arcs are...weird. I struggled to get hits in the first few games with guns; I can make the high shell arcs of Farragut work for me, but trying to adjust to Aigle's arcs was tough. I was having to walk my fire onto even broadside BBs. But she's incredibly fast, can take a beating, and her torps hit HARD. And she can straight up bully other DDs out of cap circles. She gives you the speed to fly across the map, the guns to demolish DDs or HE spam anything else, and her torps are few in number but they make up for it in power. I was having a blast laying torp ambushes around islands or using my speed to flank and torp BBs as they meandered across the "safe" back area. And she's a pretty good cap control boat, if you're experienced enough at knife fighting to anticipate torps and evade them. Your handling sucks; you need to plan ahead and anticipate as you can't just dart through a torp spread with the twitch of a hand on a keyboard like the maneuverable Farragut; but with speed boost is on she's a bit more nimble than I thought she'd be. She's not going to work for everyone. But for skilled gunboat DD captains, she's a beauty. I <3 you, Aigle. My first 8 games in her: 6 wins, 2 losses, 42k average dmg (was consistently doing 50k except for one game where my team just collapsed so quick I couldnt do much and another where the enemy Saipan dedicated his game to keeping me spotted and then finally sunk me...another weakness, Aigle's AA is terribad. Just turn it off. Seriously. ) Here are the games I played today in my new beloved Aigle (in the spoiler tab)
  22. Riikishay

    Z-52 needs a buff

    Plain and simple, the Z-52 is in a very akward state in the game as of right now. With the addition of the Daring, the Z-52 has no unique trait besides fast loading torps. And with the new flooding mechanic, those torps got HEAVILY nerfed. Even though they reload fast, they are close to the worst torps in the game. Concealment is mediocre, guns are mediocre, speed is mediocre, large size...etc. I mean where does this ship really stand out? Hydro? That's very situational and almost useless with all the radar ships. Fast torp reload? its a total of 8 torps that do very little damage? The Z-52 is a tier 9 ship in its current state. What are all your thoughts??? The fact it has the lowest damage of all DD's with the fastest torp reload is proof enough wargaming needs to examine and buff the Z-52
  23. I don't know if this has been addressed in any Q&A lately and I haven't seen the newest YouTube Q&A nor have I seen this suggested on the forums yet but I haven't seen every post So I apologies if this has been suggested before. Suggestion 1 So I have been thinking about the problem with Destroyers being over spotted with the new rework and was also thinking about how aircraft spotting most often worked during the time these aircraft existed. Most of the time the Aircraft relied on visually acquiring there target before they could make an attacking run. Sometimes this also resulted in the aircraft sometimes spotting a target and then losing sight of it and also resulted in not being fully sure where the target was while still knowing it was close until they got much closer. Now I don't want it to be that complicated in game but I think there is a simpler solution. So I suggest that while the destroyer has its AA turned off its spotting range by aircraft is almost 0km. I also suggest that this be based on the current spotting ranges of each destroyer so a shima will have a spotting range of say 0.1km and the Khaba would have a range that is closer to 0.6km while their AA is switched off (or any values that make them almost if not invisible to Aircraft flying directly over them). However, when their AA is switched on and is firing that range should bloom out to at least the current aircraft spotting ranges of these ships. When in smoke the system should work the same as it does now which is already fine. Despite not spotting the destroyer and making it visible I feel it should still have the week signal system used where the outline of the ship is shown on the map even though it isn't visually acquired (I don't mind if this isn't included for simplicity sake). This should change when the destroyer comes into its gun range or torpedo range of the carrier. At this point the planes would be assisted in spotting by the hull of the carrier which should mean that the planes spot the target and the hull confirms where they are and makes them visible. But basically it just means that once in gun or torpedo range then their aircraft spotting range become the size of their max main guns range so destroyers like shima can still get in close if not found by the aircraft squadron to launch their torps at the carrier hull. This is so the carrier can have a chance of defending itself from the destroyer if it manages to find it with the planes. A similar system for cruisers could also be employed so ships like Zao and others are harder to spot if balance needs it to be. Suggestion 2 The next part I am suggesting here is to do with the quick spotting Carriers can do at the beginning of the game making destroyers and cruisers lose a lot of experience and rewards from not being able to be the first ship to spot a target which is taking away from their role as scouts. This suggestion may be harder to implement but I feel it is the best solution. This solution should also not effect the previous suggestion I have made in this post. The aircraft squadrons spotting ability should be based on the range it is from the aircraft carrier. With this the aircraft should be able to spot and make visible the ships it encounters just as it does currently when it is within 15km (or any more balanced value) of the Carrier Hull. When it is outside this range it should spot the enemy ships the same way but the ships it spots should only be made visible to the aircraft squadron alone. To the rest of your fleet the enemy ships possible location is all that shows up on the map. Basically this would work the same way it does when a storm is happening and your visual range is reduced to 8km when an enemy ship is within 8km of your team mates ship but is not within your 8km range so it shows up as not filled in on the map and is not visible but still records last know location. This would result in the Carrier providing good intel to the team but not taking away from the direct spotting of destroyers and cruisers that are meant to act as scouts. This action of gathering intel by the carrier squadron should receive some rewards to encourage the carrier to do it but maybe only half what you would get for directly and fully spotting a target. Both of these suggestion should solve the problems of over spotting the carrier can currently do and the impact the carrier has on the ability of other ships roles. Thank you for reading to this point I know it was a wall of text I would like to know others thoughts on these suggestions and what else could be done to help the situation that does not include "delete CVs" or other silly suggestion.
  24. I am a very good destroyer player but I have noticed that playing destroyers are nearly unplayable, I have given them an honest try and played very carefully but planes spot you all game or push you out of smoke with plane torpedoes, then you get shot by multiple ships, the game just started and a lot of your health is missing you cant heal back. I hope they fix this because I have noticed a lack of dd's recently
  25. Hello fellow captains and Wargaming! So, with this new update I purchased the Tier VI U.S.A. Destroyer, the USS Farragut. Everything seems to be working fine... except for the fact it has now gained a very ugly looking red-and-black permanent camo in port. However, I soon realized that this wasn't some generous free bonus on Wargaming's part for the Lunar New Year event. For whatever reason, most of the ship's textures are missing, and when I go into a battle with it, 95% the ship's model is not rendered or displayed. The only things that are rendered and maintain their textures are the torpedo tubes, main guns, two of the away craft/life boats. In battle, the only part of the ship's model visible is the untextured bow. It seems the the Farragut's files got exposed to a bit of radioactive Fubarite. Everything else works fine, the hit-boxes are there, I can control my ship and fire weapons. I play the Windows version of WoWs, so I don't know if anyone else is running into this glitch on other versions of the game. This is also my first real glitch with the game, though I am a fairly new player. If anyone else has run into this bug recently, let me know! I have attached two photos below for verification, and upon request I will send more. I am mostly surprised by this bug more than anything else. More or less, I'd like to fail in the Farragut with an actual boat on screen, thank you very much! Is this some hidden easter-egg referencing the Philadelphia Experiment? If so, all that's missing are sailors melded with the ship! Jokes aside, hopefully this glitch can be resolved. It is jarring, and breaks the otherwise rock-solid immersion of the game. Good luck and fair seas, all! Cloaking mechanic confirmed for next update? : New permanent camo for USS Farragut? My suggestion for a name is "Philadelphia Experiment: Phase 2" : .
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