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  1. I don't know if this has been addressed in any Q&A lately and I haven't seen the newest YouTube Q&A nor have I seen this suggested on the forums yet but I haven't seen every post So I apologies if this has been suggested before. Suggestion 1 So I have been thinking about the problem with Destroyers being over spotted with the new rework and was also thinking about how aircraft spotting most often worked during the time these aircraft existed. Most of the time the Aircraft relied on visually acquiring there target before they could make an attacking run. Sometimes this also resulted in the aircraft sometimes spotting a target and then losing sight of it and also resulted in not being fully sure where the target was while still knowing it was close until they got much closer. Now I don't want it to be that complicated in game but I think there is a simpler solution. So I suggest that while the destroyer has its AA turned off its spotting range by aircraft is almost 0km. I also suggest that this be based on the current spotting ranges of each destroyer so a shima will have a spotting range of say 0.1km and the Khaba would have a range that is closer to 0.6km while their AA is switched off (or any values that make them almost if not invisible to Aircraft flying directly over them). However, when their AA is switched on and is firing that range should bloom out to at least the current aircraft spotting ranges of these ships. When in smoke the system should work the same as it does now which is already fine. Despite not spotting the destroyer and making it visible I feel it should still have the week signal system used where the outline of the ship is shown on the map even though it isn't visually acquired (I don't mind if this isn't included for simplicity sake). This should change when the destroyer comes into its gun range or torpedo range of the carrier. At this point the planes would be assisted in spotting by the hull of the carrier which should mean that the planes spot the target and the hull confirms where they are and makes them visible. But basically it just means that once in gun or torpedo range then their aircraft spotting range become the size of their max main guns range so destroyers like shima can still get in close if not found by the aircraft squadron to launch their torps at the carrier hull. This is so the carrier can have a chance of defending itself from the destroyer if it manages to find it with the planes. A similar system for cruisers could also be employed so ships like Zao and others are harder to spot if balance needs it to be. Suggestion 2 The next part I am suggesting here is to do with the quick spotting Carriers can do at the beginning of the game making destroyers and cruisers lose a lot of experience and rewards from not being able to be the first ship to spot a target which is taking away from their role as scouts. This suggestion may be harder to implement but I feel it is the best solution. This solution should also not effect the previous suggestion I have made in this post. The aircraft squadrons spotting ability should be based on the range it is from the aircraft carrier. With this the aircraft should be able to spot and make visible the ships it encounters just as it does currently when it is within 15km (or any more balanced value) of the Carrier Hull. When it is outside this range it should spot the enemy ships the same way but the ships it spots should only be made visible to the aircraft squadron alone. To the rest of your fleet the enemy ships possible location is all that shows up on the map. Basically this would work the same way it does when a storm is happening and your visual range is reduced to 8km when an enemy ship is within 8km of your team mates ship but is not within your 8km range so it shows up as not filled in on the map and is not visible but still records last know location. This would result in the Carrier providing good intel to the team but not taking away from the direct spotting of destroyers and cruisers that are meant to act as scouts. This action of gathering intel by the carrier squadron should receive some rewards to encourage the carrier to do it but maybe only half what you would get for directly and fully spotting a target. Both of these suggestion should solve the problems of over spotting the carrier can currently do and the impact the carrier has on the ability of other ships roles. Thank you for reading to this point I know it was a wall of text I would like to know others thoughts on these suggestions and what else could be done to help the situation that does not include "delete CVs" or other silly suggestion.
  2. poeticmotion

    Aigle fan club thread

    Anyone who has ever divved with me, talked WoWS with me, or even has heard of me knows about my over-the-top love for the Farragut. Well, Farragut is now my side chick, and I only have eyes for the new tier 6 love of my life. Behold the DD that made me shelve my Farragut (at least for a while)...my sweet Aigle. Aigle is amazing (for my playstyle.) I absolutely understand why she gets a bad rap from some people...this isn't a ship that will work for everyone. For me, she's gudbote and maybe even overpowered, but I cant argue with LWM that she's a mehbote overall. And I doubt I'll continue to do *quite* as well in her as I did in my first 8 games, but I can tell she's going to be a go-to boat for me from now on...especially considering I did as well as I did today with only a 10-point captain and she really needs a 16-point captain to excel (I have PT, LS, SE, and CE per Littlewhitemouse's recommendations, will be adding EM and IFHE as I get the points for them.) She just works for me. She's like the bastard stepchild of a Farragut and a Khabarovsk, feel-wise if not quite stat-wise. Her handling is a bit clumsy, as was pointed out by others, and her shell arcs are...weird. I struggled to get hits in the first few games with guns; I can make the high shell arcs of Farragut work for me, but trying to adjust to Aigle's arcs was tough. I was having to walk my fire onto even broadside BBs. But she's incredibly fast, can take a beating, and her torps hit HARD. And she can straight up bully other DDs out of cap circles. She gives you the speed to fly across the map, the guns to demolish DDs or HE spam anything else, and her torps are few in number but they make up for it in power. I was having a blast laying torp ambushes around islands or using my speed to flank and torp BBs as they meandered across the "safe" back area. And she's a pretty good cap control boat, if you're experienced enough at knife fighting to anticipate torps and evade them. Your handling sucks; you need to plan ahead and anticipate as you can't just dart through a torp spread with the twitch of a hand on a keyboard like the maneuverable Farragut; but with speed boost is on she's a bit more nimble than I thought she'd be. She's not going to work for everyone. But for skilled gunboat DD captains, she's a beauty. I <3 you, Aigle. My first 8 games in her: 6 wins, 2 losses, 42k average dmg (was consistently doing 50k except for one game where my team just collapsed so quick I couldnt do much and another where the enemy Saipan dedicated his game to keeping me spotted and then finally sunk me...another weakness, Aigle's AA is terribad. Just turn it off. Seriously. ) Here are the games I played today in my new beloved Aigle (in the spoiler tab)
  3. Destroyers; Steel, Paper, or Fiction? This is just like my "Steel, Paper, or Fiction?" posts for Cruisers and Battleships, Only now for Destroyers! The description and purpose is the same as always, so I'll leave it below: Basically, what it's for is to keep track of the ships we have in WoWs, and just how 'real' they are. I'm only doing line ships, as premiums kinda exist for the 'wow-that's-cool-but-probably-not-gonna-fit-in-a-line' ships(mostly). I would like to note, while unlike my cruiser and battleship charts, this one has no holes, this one is far more speculative. It isn't easy to find info on German Destroyers, for example, as well as the fact that, more than others, the French and Germans had a habit of arming some early Destroyers/Torpedo boats with little not nothing in terms of guns(I'm talking 2x 88mm guns here, even a Japanese DD will have that for lunch!) Some nations are just difficult because of the variety of ships available, so I kinda tried to put it together in a way that would fit some semblance of linear playstyle for the whole line. So, keep in mind, any country with that red around their name, just like my other threads, is nothing official, and purely guesswork (well, not purely. There's plenty of research). This was certainly more difficult than doing the Battleships or Cruisers! I have four categories at the moment; Green = Ships that were built and saw service Violet = Ships that were partially constructed, but were destroyed/scrapped before completion Blue = Paper ships in the purest sense, existing only as blueprints, but never constructed. Orange = I dunno. No, really, i don't know. These are the ships I can find nothing on, and as far as I know are pure fiction constructed by WG to fill tree gaps, which, I guess, if it's necessary, it's necessary. I'm not going to blame them for it if they couldn't find anything, so long as the fictional ship doesn't take the place of a real one. USN, IJN, & VMF are all the ships were currently that are confirmed and in. The RN, RM, MN, & KM lines(Indicated by the reddish color) we don't know, and are just based off of community speculation. A lot of the destroyers have weird names... well, that's because the classes have weird names, but it's easier to identify if I just use the class. When WG adds them and assigns names, then they'll change. Just keep in mind, the speculative ones are just that, though I don't mind constructive criticism to improve the accuracy of the placements. All in all, as I've said in my other threads; anything under a red box, take with a grain of salt! Add pepper for flavor. Important: This chart is open to edits! If you guys have anything to add or to fix, then do comment, and I'll edit it! For example, plenty of ship blueprints were in fact laid down, but then scrapped because of cost or wartime consideration, and It's not always easy to find. As I mentioned in the cruiser thread, I know there were loads of Soviet ships that got laid down but were never completed. If that's any of the classes I have listed as purely blueprints, well, fire away! My other "Steel, Paper, or Fiction?" Threads: Aircraft Carriers Battleships Cruisers Destroyers Edit log: Edit 1: Kiev changed from blue to purple. She was in fact laid down and launched, but never completed. Her hull was sunk as target practice in the '50s. Credit to Samurai_TwoSeven for this one. Edit 2: Wargaming announcement! IJN destroyer line updated for new split line, all the new ships are from classes that were built and served, so they're all green. Edit 3: Nothing major, just shuffled around some German DD placement Edit 4: Wargaming announcement! (kinda) Kreigsmarine destroyers have been... kind of released, and I've identify them all by this point and was able to update this thread! It basically required me to totally overhaul my prediction of German DDs, as I wasn't quite there... I mean, at least I guessed the Elbing right? Anyways, most of them are green, with the exception of 4 types that weren't completed and are purple (tiers IV, VI, IX, and X). Edit 4: Changed Ernst Gaede to blue. I incorrectly identified the design, but Lord_Magus stated that it has been idenfited by Sub_Octavian on reddit. Edit 5: Wargaming announcement! The Soviet Destroyer split has happened, adding three new ships into their DD line. The new ships includes what appears to be a prototype Gnevny or Leningrad at tier V, and an new tier ten, which is a Projekt 40N, and as both are blueprints, they're blue. The new tier VII is a real ship, commissioned and served, and thus is green. Edit 6: Fixed error in which Kiev and Tashkent were reversed in position Edit 7: Wargaming announcement & Pictures Fixed! This is a two-fold update, both issue with the thread's pictures repaired, and the Pan-Asian destroyer release included, a line (like most destroyer lines) that is mostly green as all ships were competed and served. Only two ships existed in blueprints only. Edit 8: Wargaming announcement Another double-dose, this time for the addition of British destroyers and the top tiers of Japanese gun-boat destroyers. The British destroyer line joins the ranks of one of the few lines to be made purely of completed and serving ships, while the Japanese line adds one paper and one fictional ship. Also, I'm chasing Khabarovsk's status to Orange, for reasons explained in the update.
  4. I am a very good destroyer player but I have noticed that playing destroyers are nearly unplayable, I have given them an honest try and played very carefully but planes spot you all game or push you out of smoke with plane torpedoes, then you get shot by multiple ships, the game just started and a lot of your health is missing you cant heal back. I hope they fix this because I have noticed a lack of dd's recently
  5. Hello fellow captains and Wargaming! So, with this new update I purchased the Tier VI U.S.A. Destroyer, the USS Farragut. Everything seems to be working fine... except for the fact it has now gained a very ugly looking red-and-black permanent camo in port. However, I soon realized that this wasn't some generous free bonus on Wargaming's part for the Lunar New Year event. For whatever reason, most of the ship's textures are missing, and when I go into a battle with it, 95% the ship's model is not rendered or displayed. The only things that are rendered and maintain their textures are the torpedo tubes, main guns, two of the away craft/life boats. In battle, the only part of the ship's model visible is the untextured bow. It seems the the Farragut's files got exposed to a bit of radioactive Fubarite. Everything else works fine, the hit-boxes are there, I can control my ship and fire weapons. I play the Windows version of WoWs, so I don't know if anyone else is running into this glitch on other versions of the game. This is also my first real glitch with the game, though I am a fairly new player. If anyone else has run into this bug recently, let me know! I have attached two photos below for verification, and upon request I will send more. I am mostly surprised by this bug more than anything else. More or less, I'd like to fail in the Farragut with an actual boat on screen, thank you very much! Is this some hidden easter-egg referencing the Philadelphia Experiment? If so, all that's missing are sailors melded with the ship! Jokes aside, hopefully this glitch can be resolved. It is jarring, and breaks the otherwise rock-solid immersion of the game. Good luck and fair seas, all! Cloaking mechanic confirmed for next update? : New permanent camo for USS Farragut? My suggestion for a name is "Philadelphia Experiment: Phase 2" : .
  6. Warships; Steel, Paper, or Fiction? Greetings, Earthlings Fellow Forumers! So, as some of you may have noticed, I've started, and completed as far as I could, a little series known as "Steel, Paper, or Fiction?" The purpose of these threads, and the charts that accompany them, is to keep an easily accessible record of all the tech tree ships in World of Warships, and just how 'real' they are. As you're all aware, people tend to throw around the slur (or at least treat it as such) 'paper ships,' usually accompanied by the statement we only want real ships, or something like that. Heck, I'm guilty of it. Well, some ships we have are 'paper' ships, but certainly not fake. We do a few actually fake ships. The vast majority of ships in the game, thankfully, are real, were commissioned, and saw service. That will probably always be the case, looking at what's available. These threads already exist, each in the relevant subforum in "Discussions about Warships," but that'd kind of out of the way, so I decided to make this one as a compilation, where all 4 charts could be seen, and the other 4 threads easily found. So, in these threads, I've catalogued all 4 types of ship, first cruisers, then battleships, next destroyers, and finally carriers, into these four categories: Green = Ships that were built and saw service Violet = Ships that were partially constructed, but were destroyed/scrapped before completion Blue = Paper ships in the purest sense, existing only as blueprints, but never constructed. Orange = I dunno. No, really, i don't know. These are the ships I can find nothing on, and as far as I know are pure fiction constructed by WG to fill tree gaps, which, I guess, if it's necessary, it's necessary. I'm not going to blame them for it if they couldn't find anything, so long as the fictional ship doesn't take the place of a real one. Also, any nation with a red box for their name box means the tree, and the placements within it, for that ships type, are purely speculation as to the ship placements. As soon as WG releases the details for what ships are when in those lines, they'll be corrected where needed, of course. As this is the case, if the name box above is in red, take the placements with a grain of salt, and add pepper for flavor. Particularly on the carriers, since that's by far the most paper-intensive of all ship types. Important: This chart is open to edits! If you guys have anything to add or to fix, then do comment, and I'll edit it! For example, I think I've seen someone mention the Orlan as actually being a design, but I can't find anything on it so for now I've put it as fiction, not a blueprint. Additionally, I know there were loads of Soviet ships that got laid down, but were never completed, so if that's any of the classes I have listed as purely blueprints, fire away! Also Important: IF you want to comment on ships placement for the speculative threads, please take a look at the thread for that ship's type, which I will link, as they contained more detailed descriptions of the the thread usually. They will also contain the edit logs. You can mention any edits that need to be made in this thread, but I would appreciate it if you would also suggest it in the relevant thread to that ship type, as that makes it much easier to keep track of and organize. Even if you're from another server, don't be afraid to shoot a message, I've already had one from the EU server, for example. So, without further a-due, and me running my mouth(fingers?) more, here they are; Aircraft Carriers: Thread here NOTE - Pending CV Rework for Further Updates Battleships: Thread here Cruisers: Thread here Destroyers: Thread here Edit log: All Edits will be kept track of in the Edit log for the appropriate thread. This thread is merely a compilation of sorts, where it's easier to find. Exception 21-1-2018: All threads repaired from photobucket shenanigans. Also, for those unfamiliar with the names of various navies; United States Navy = United States Navy (pretty self explanatory) Royal Navy = British Royal Navy Dai-Nippon Teikoku Kaigun = Imperial Japanese Navy Regia Marina = Italian Royal Navy (literally, 'Royal Navy') Marine Nationale = French Navy (literally, 'National Navy') Voyenno-morskoy Flot = Soviet Navy (Literally, Military Maritime Fleet) Kriegsmarine = German Navy (Literally, War Navy?) Keep in mind, some of the countries had multiple iterations of their navies' names across the timeframe of the game. The Russian Navy starts out as the Imperial Russian Navy, and later becomes the VMF after the Soviet Union is formed (tier 4 to 5 is the transition). The German navy was originally the Kaiserliche Marine, or the Imperial Germany Navy up to the end of WWI. Inter-war it was known as the Reichsmarine, aka Navy of the Realm, until 1935 where it became the Kriegsmarine. In game this depends on the line you go down. For German battleships, you go from the IGN to KM at the tier 6 to 7 transition, while for cruisers it's tier 4 to 5. My other "Steel, Paper, or Fiction?" Threads: Aircraft Carriers Battleships Cruisers Destroyers
  7. The_Black_Death_Whale


    DD's need the ability to switch off Radio/Spotting similar to AA For the love of god , if you play in a BB or a CA PAY ATTENTION Stop shooting vessels that have [edited]dozen torps CLEARLY about to hit!! I am so sick of getting kill after kill stolen away from greedy savages shooting at ships that will be dead in <10 seconds There are SOOOOOOOOOOO many other ships to shoot at PLEASE STOP SHOOTING AT ONES THAT ARE ALREADY DEAD Radar is bad enough and this is yet another contributing factor as to why such few will play DD at high Tier WHY is this so hard to understand?????
  8. Which Tier X destroyer rules the high seas: the Royal Navy's Daring or the US Navy's Gearing? The Daring is fearsome fighting machine with rapid fire guns, lethal torpedoes, and a damage repair consumable as well as hydro-acoustic equipment. The Gearing is the US Navy's hard hitting gun-fighter with fearsome 127mm main batteries, deadly torpedoes, improved bow armor protection, and formidable anti-aircraft protection. Let's get ready to rumble in the cap circle, will HMS Daring or USS Gearing win the fight? "This ship is built to fight. You had better know how." - Arleigh Burke, US Navy #matchupmonday #anchorsaweigh
  9. The rubric is to use HE on destroyers so not to over-penetrate their thin skin. After watching my own HE fire not do much damage to other destroyers, I began wondering if the overpen argument holds true when you're only shooting smaller 127 mm guns. Just starting to look at my stats on HE vs AP damage - no results as yet. Does anyone have any experience based knowledge on the matter?
  10. Im not sure if its just me but i was loving the british dds. Got the first one and started grinding up to t4 and i was enjoying them and everything seemed great. I then decided to use some freexp to get up to the t7 Jervis and i absolutely hate them now and im not sure what to do or if its just me. I have had every match so far with my ship being disabled more than 75% of the time. yes i have the skill so i can still function but it still hampers the ship alot and regardless things seem to get disabled way way to easily. Ive literally been hit by another dd with only 2 shells and they managed to knock out both my foward turrets, a torp tube, my engine and stearing. all from 2 shells....And this happens all the time. if you get hit at all you will just about always lose something it feels like. So im just not sure what to do. Its just turned from a great fun time into no fun at all.
  11. Imperialist_Loli

    Help with DDs

    I don't know if I am posting this in the right spot or not and I apologize if I am not. I used to really enjoy World Of Warships destroyer play a few years back now. I've been playing since year 1 of the release but lately I feel like I've bitten the bullet with destroyers.. I want to play them and have fun in them but I don't know what I should do. I really miss the teamplay aspects of destroyers and I just feel like with the game being the way it is now I can't do that anymore. I'd really appreciate any advice on the matter on playing DDs and being supportive to the team. I want to be a better DD player and have fun at the same time. If anyone has any advice on how to properly play destroyers in 2018 and what line of DDs would be the best for the more supportive style of gameplay I'd greatly appreciate it.
  12. y_vonne

    Double D's

    lol~what did u think i meant? destroyer's are commonly known as DD's, no? Anyhoo, thank u for lavishing me with battle support of late Those of u that have will remain nameless as i don't use the "full interface" thing or generally pay attention to who's on what team. ty though from this DD ►
  13. Des Moines, Cleveland, Baltimore, Buffallo, Missouri, Dm Donskoi, Moskva, Chapayev, Indianapolis, Belfast, Kronshtadt... todos estes navios e muitos outros não citados (para não prolongar a dor que alguns capitães de DDs sentem) tem algo em comum e acho que você sabe muito bem o que é. Seja o "curto" alcance dos 9,9km e intermináveis 50 segundos de radar de um DM com o módulo de radar ou os 11,7km de um cruzador russo que parecem que cobrem metade do mapa, radares são a moda e uma das ferramentas mais letais para caçar e acabar com DDs em qualquer partida. Cruzadores tem radares, e até DDs como o Black ou os Pan-Asiáticos do tier VIII para cima vem com eles usam de radares ou podem equipá-los em troca de gerador de fumaça (eu ia dizer que logo logo surge um CV com radar mas não quero dar mais ideias de navios com radar, vai que né? ). Um mal existente: Sim, eles estão ai. E assim como a AA para os CVs, é algo que um capitão de DD precisa saber lidar para sobreviver aos inóspitos mares dos tiers mais altos. E quero deixar algumas (mas não únicas, se você tiver outras dicas sinta a vontade para favorecer o debate). Antes de entrar em detalhes, quero que você entenda que para saber como mitigar o radar, você antes precisa se colocar no lugar daquele jogador de cruzador, com o dedo a milímetros de apertar o botão de radar caso seja detectado ou uma bandeira começar a virar para a sua equipe. Isso se torna chave para entender o por que e como sobreviver ao radar. Rápida Intro sobre radares: Radares são consumíveis que irão revelar qualquer navio dentro de seu alcance, mesmo que não exista linha de fogo direta entre o navio com radar e seus alvos. Basta estar dentro daquele alcance que você será detectado. Esse efeito funciona também durante ciclones, permitindo que você atire em navios sem ser visto pelo oponente. Eles tem uma duração limitada e diferentemente de busca hidroacústica eles não detectam torpedos, apenas navios. Por conta dessas limitações, geralmente bons jogadores avisam sobre quando vão usar o radar e "spamam" F3 enquanto você estiver detectado. Por conta revelarem imediatamente a posição, radares são usados como forma de evitar que bandeiras sejam tomadas ou para localizar possíveis DDs que estejam tentando lançar ataques furtivos. Conheça teu inimigo: Minha primeira dica ao entrar numa partida com seu DD é apertar o TAB para revelar todos os navios que tem ou podem equipar radar. Isso significa que sim, você TEM que decorar quais são eles, (e também que radares tem) inclusive aqueles que podem ou não equipar radar. Isso se torna importante por que a partir do momento que a partida começa, você poderá ajudar sua equipe a focar eles primeiro, ou mesmo saber se você está ou não ameaçado de ser detectado. Abaixo darei uma guia simplificada de navios com radares (por classe) e os tipos de radares que tem, mas não são os únicos que tem radar, fica como lição de casa você investigar quais estão faltando ;) - também recomendo a leitura da Wiki. Lá vamos nós: Cruzadores leves e pesados USN: Linha comum, todos a partir do Tier VIII. Seu alcance começa em 9km e termina em 9.9 no tier X. Premiums Atlanta e Indianapolis tem radares também. Duração começa em 30 e vai até 40 segundos. Cruzadores soviéticos: Linha comum, todos a partir do Tier VIII. Mesmo alcance de 11,7km e duração de 20 segundos, exceto Moskva com 25. USS Missouri: 9,45km durante 35 segundos. RN Belfast: 8,49km durante 25 segundos. DDs Pan-Asiáticos(trocando fumaça): Todos a partir do tier VIII. Alcance de 7,50km e duração variando de 15 a 20 segundos. Cruzadores RN: Todos a partir do tier VIII: mesmos moldes do radar da USN. Memorizou todos? Espero que sim. Continuando... O Valor do Radar: O valor do radar para a equipe que o tem está em dois possíveis efeitos: Converter o uso do consumível em dano Forçar o DD para fora de uma cap. Logicamente, não é apenas isso, mas são esses os dois maiores valores que se pode tirar de um radar, e considerando que após o uso o player terá que esperar 2 minutos pelo menos para um novo uso, não é atoa que todo mundo atira no pobre DD que está detectado. Então como podemos mitigar isso? Simples, negando ambas as coisas para a equipe adversária. Mais simples dito do que feito, vamos imaginar uma cap. (academia MS Paint de arte). Certo, neste cenário, vindo pelo sul é natural tentar avançar o máximo possível para ajudar sua equipe com reconhecimento. Mas, mal você sabe mas existe um mal oculto por ali. E agora você está detectado por radar. Provavelmente por instinto você irá soltar fumaça (que é inútil), irá ou se abrigar na ilhota (e irá abraçar ela com esperanças de ninguém conseguir te acertar) no meio da cap ou virar as costas com seu Boost de velocidade para correr, você nesse processo já tomou 25% de dano. 45% mas está quase longe o bastante para escapar do radar... e lá vem o salvo do BB a 18 km e... é. Primeira morte para equipe adversária e um jogo mais difícil para sua equipe. O que ocorreu de errado? P-o-s-i-c-i-o-n-a-m-e-n-t-o. Você jogou exatamente da forma como a equipe adversária queria. Fez o que um DD faz. Ir capturar a bandeira. Mas fez isso de forma agressiva demais e sem pensar nas rotas de fuga. E sem querer limitou suas chances de sair vivo. Uma coisa importante que irei colocar aqui e quero que você reflita: Trocar uma bandeira por sua vida NÃO é uma troca válida. Bandeiras podem ser tomadas a qualquer momento, mas se você morrer são pontos para equipe adversária e um navio a menos para a sua. Nada de bom. Com radares, você precisa esperar pelo pior, sabendo que um cruzador de radar está sedento por usar seu consumível premium. Então deixe ele usar, mas faça que seja um desperdício. Vou apresentar uma alternativa de posicionamento, e quero que você pense nela por um momento. Esta posição parece mais segura. Nela você tem uma ilha gigante para correr caso você comece a ser focado e rapidamente irá sair da linha de fogo da equipe adversária. Você irá em partes ceder temporariamente a cap, mas como disse antes, você pode tentar retomar ela, caso tenha sido capturada pelo oponente assim que o radar acabar. Nessa posição, você negou o dano e a kill do radar. Como disse, este é um exemplo de posicionamento mais defensivo. A experiência nos mapas irá dizer onde isso é ou não possível (mapas como Okinawa, por exemplo, tem pouca cobertura, o que torna mais complicado abusar do terreno). Outro ponto importante que vale aqui explicar é: para virar uma cap você não precisa navegar até o meio da mesma, só deixar ao menos metade do seu navio do lado de dentro já basta ;). Assim, uma técnica válida (e usada por jogadores mais experientes) é estacionar ou mesmo se mover vagarosamente na borda da cap, com o navio apontando para fora, assim você estará pronto para abandonar a cap assim que precisar, minimizando o tempo dentro do alcance do radar. (edit) Divisões: Aqui gostaria de dividir em duas breves explicações de como se portar quando estiver em divisão com cruzadores/BBs e com outros DDs. Com outros DDs, ao estiverem numa partida modo dominação com mais de um radar, tentem dividir esforços em ao menos duas bases. O motivo disso é simples: dividir riscos, pois na base que vocês optarem por ir estiver uma equipe inimiga sedenta por kills, você e seu amigo de divisão estarão em alto risco e caso acabem por serem afundados irão causar um prejuízo maior ainda para sua equipe (sempre quando vocês dois não estejam em bandeiras separadas mas ambas dentro do alcance de radar, como no mapa Norte/Luzes do Norte (vulgo "Norte com neve"). Em divisão com Cruzadores e BBs: Primeiro ponto ao capitães de BBs e CAs: ouçam seus DDs. Lembre-se que são eles que irão tentar dar a vantagem inicial a sua equipe, então ajudar a tornar a vida deles mais fácil sempre é fundamental. Geralmente um DD consegue deduzir se o cruzador com radar tem ou não linha de tiro direta. Caso você seja detectado por radar ao iniciar a captura e não havia detectado nenhum navio, é muito provável que o cruzador tomou uma posição defensiva para minimizar dano sofrido. Neste caso, como explicado acima, a decisão sensata é abandonar a bandeira até o radar passar. Caso você esteja em divisão com um navio equipado com radar (altamente recomendado), peça que ele aguarde o radar passar, enquanto toma posição, e assim que a bandeira virar para a outra equipe, imediatamente chame pelo radar para expor o DD adversário. Também é importante chamar fogo ao cruzador adversário com radar assim que for detectado para forçar o mesmo para fora da posição ou (idealmente) tirar ele permanentemente da partida. Outro ponto importante é que BBs também deve focar esforços no DD e cruzador adversário, enquanto você como DD pode adentrar na cap para começar a contestar e tomar a base para sua equipe. Bem, estas foram algumas dicas para lidar com radar em seu DD, como sempre o debate é bem vindo, sendo a ideia tornar este um guia de referência atualizado na melhor forma possível (preciso fazer o mesmo com o guia para DDs). E queria sugerir, que outros tópicos desejam que eu aborde num futuro próximo? Obrigado e bons mares a todos!
  14. y_vonne

    You Do You

    I almost exclusively play DD's and everyone, (almost everyone!) has something helpful, (stupid!) to say, or suggest, (demand!) about DD's game play. On more occasions than not during a match, people ([edited]hats!) scream, berate, criticize and whine to and about what destroyer's should or should'nt be doing. The funny thing is, none of them are destroyer captains. As far as "hiding" goes, i never hide. i might dodge behind cover if need be, but hiding's not in my repertoire. Worry about your own strategy and game play (lack of style!) and i'll do me. If anyone should [edited], it should be DD captains for the utter lack of support from CV's and BB's.
  15. Submarines in WOWS--It is an interesting concept. A few points to consider: 1. NEW Game engine--Macwrapper from Code Weavers will have to do a new wrapper for subs. They already are probably working on one for the new CV play. I wonder if the WOWs Halloween game will even play in October 2018 ? 2. Subs of WW2 vintage did around 25 knots on the surface. WW1 did 18 knots on the surface. Speed will drop to 8 knots or so submerged (this may not be an issue with the Oxygen meter). Depending on how long you are underwater, a sub may have to fire quickly before surfacing. There will be no Irwin Allen Seaviews or 1990s vintage SeaQuest DSV subs in the game doing 30 or more knots underwater. The vessels will be SLOW 3. DDs are getting overtaxed as the main sub hunter. CAs had provisions for subs. You can see the equipment on the Tier 3 Aurora. So does (yes) the Tier 1 sloops. Note that they have depth charge deployment devices on them. While any of these ships have a role in sub chasing ? 4. CV aircraft did a fair amount of sub chasing (as well as the Zeppelins of WW2 US Navy). What role would they have ? 5. While the German U-Boats fired fore and aft torpedoes, the American "O" and "S" classes, if memory serves correct, fired only from the BOW in WW1 and later. I will give WOWS credit for thinking of all the Gamers who have asked for submarines. It will be the hardest ship class to put in if they proceed. It would be a programmer's nightmare given all the changes needed to get submarines to work right. Astrosaint
  16. Darkmouse24

    When the Red Team has no radar

    Looking at the teams I see the red team has no radar so I play very aggressively knowing the only way I'll get spotted is if an enemy dd gets close then I can just smoke up and hydro.
  17. I know smoke screens were use effectively during WW II and they worked quite well....but not as well as they do here. If you set a smoke screen out you mask your position because they can't see through the smoke. On the other hand you shouldn't be able to see the ships your hiding from....If I can't see through it...the destroyer or Cruiser shouldn't be able to see through the smoke screen either. The DD in this game are way over modeled you would think they are armored like a battle ship the way they take hits. They have to do something about the smoke if you can't see through it the enemy shouldn't be able to either...nothing worse than a Cruiser with smoke out peppering the hell out of you with accurate fire sitting in smoke.
  18. Dear WG, While the removal of smoke firing and change of spotting is great. You guys really forgot about some ships which needed to have their roles refined since the smoke fire update.... IE the Blyskawica, like that was her main role. And yet her stats are not changed at all since the removal of smoke firing. Without it the Blyskawica is now much harder to play. And seriously, any time she gets hit from anything, her modules break instantly, and ALL OF THEM. As a dd player who plays other nations dds, no other dds has multiple modules break so easily. What is up with her extreme agility as a dd? Could you guys consider updating her or something. Like some many other who have (had) the Blyskawica, and BOUGHT HER WITH REAL MONEY, well we just got screwed over. Sincerely, A Mad Blyskawica player.
  19. Hi all This is more of a PSA to all players out there who forget that japanese destroyers besides the Akizuki and up on that tech tree line have guns. The guns are not great yes but in the right cases can do some serious damage. Just dont forget about them. Just thought id share the game that sparked this post. The proof of my point P.S Shame at the end the enemy Carrier gave up despite being in the lead with points. Simple needed to run to win instead he turned off his aa and did not send any more planes. Dont do this even if you are the last ship alive on your team. You can still win on points Enjoy the rest of your day
  20. Avenge_December_7

    Destroyer AP Against Other Destroyers?

    So during my month-long pre-college vacation, I've been watching various youtubers play high-tier destroyers, and something I notice is that a lot of them seem to to use AP against other enemy destroyers. How effective is using destroyer AP against other destroyers? Should it be done and, if it should, when should one switch between firing HE and AP when fighting enemy destroyers?
  21. I apologize in advance for continuing to beat to death (and beyond) the horse that is radar...and for missing any prior posting of my suggested revision. I've read a lot of posts on radar but there are too many to read them all, so I might have missed someone else making this suggestion. SUGGESTED REVISION: Splitting Radar Detection into 2 Detection Ranges: (a) Mini-Map Detection and (b) map draw detection Right now, when radar detects a ship, it simultaneously detects it for mini-map purposes AND makes the ship appear on the regular map. The suggested change would split radar detection in two. Devs would look at radar ships and ADD 1-2km of detection range to existing radars for purposes of putting an in-range ship on the mini map...so the radar ship and its team would know there was a DD there and could start making taking actions based on that (start evasive dodging, decide to send ships to actively hunt the DD, etc.). They could even take some pot shots based on the mini-map location. On the other hand, all existing radars would have 1-2km in REDUCTION to the range that they completely draw a detected ship onto the map. EXAMPLE: A 9.45 km range radar now could be revised to draw ships up to 10.95 km away on the mini-map, but only puts them on the regular map at 7.95 or closer. WHY I THINK THIS WOULD BE BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE: Even as someone who plays DDs more than cruisers, I concede that radar should exist in some form at higher tiers, as both a nod to historical accuracy and to mitigate against a catastrophic level of ninja torp walls. That said, radar as it exists right now doesn't seem focused on rewarding skill and judgment in a game that generally appeals more to older players who like to focus on us of skill and judgement in their games. Additionally, even though I'm still focused more on tier 8 than 9-10, even at that lower tier it seems that heavy radar tends to make the game more passive (and dull IMHO). Conversely, the concerns that Cruiser and BB players have about not being able to use skill to counterplay ninja torp walls aren't without merit. Finally, the situation of cruisers radaring entire caps from behind a solid island where they can't be hit is both frustrating and silly. I remember hearing a dev giving an interview on The Warships Podcast to say it was too difficult and time consuming to fix easily, and I concede that they would know more than me on that, but it's still frustrating and silly. In any case, I think split radar would make the above issues at least less bad, and would be easier to implement than some other suggested solutions. Most importantly, I think the change would result in more skill and judgment being exercised on all sides. If a DD is detected on a mini map, they have to think and make a decision about whether they want to press-in still, hoping to either stay out of map draw range or that the radar duration will run by then, or to play it safe and sail away. BBs and CA/CLs will know that a DD exists and generally where it is pretty far out, so they'll be able to start taking evasive action. If they choose not to, they have no more excuse for their own death by torps than a DD who sits still in smoke. Once a DD is detected, under the new radar model, the "destroyer hunter" role of cruisers would be more heavily emphasized, as they'd be the ones who would have to decide if, based on the mini-map detection, if they are going to actively try to chase down and kill the detected destroyer or not. Finally, a radar ship has to decide whether it wants to focus on detecting ships further-out on the mini map so their team can react to them (at the cost of warning-away DDs outside killing range or the duration expiring before a close-in kill is achieved) OR hording the radar for close-in killing of DDs at knife-fighting range. While radar would still go through solid land, pending a future fix by WG, the shorter range of radar capable of drawing a ship on the regular map would make radar ships less able to sit behind an island and dominate a cap with radar. Yes, they'd be even more likely to be able to generally detect an enemy ship on a cap, but it should be harder to just push a button to completely reveal a DD and instantly have other ships around the cap destroy any capping DDs while the radar ship faces no risk. Finally, I think this is a more "cinematic" feel for radar than currently exists, as it echos how radar and sonar acts like in popular military fiction. At longer ranges, with an initial contact, an operator will usually only have general information for their captain...that something have been detected, generally where it is, generally how big it is, etc. Only as ranges close and the contact persists does the operator fill-in more details about what they are facing. The current in-game radar...where you go instantly from no knowledge at all to knowing every possible piece of info, seems less realistic/cinematic to me. In any case, seems like radar is something that draws a lot of heated comments and would benefit from some sort of revision. Wanted to offer a constructive idea with the hope that, even if not viewed as a good route for revision, may spur other useful ideas. NOTE: Feel free to delete this post if it deemed duplicative, or more if it would be better suited to a different sub-forum. -TIS
  22. I'm starting to question the use of IFHE on some of my cruisers. Old man reminiscing.. "Why I remember when a full salvo of HE would hit a wee little destroyer and poof, nuked, obliterated... not like that these days, no sir... why let me tell you.." It seems (to me) when firing IFHE against destroyers, I'm not getting the levels of damage or obliteration I would "expect". Is using IFHE actually having an effect upon the damage it can do to a destroyer. I think yes. But do you know for sure? If it is, I may want to remove it from my cruisers, as I primarily hunt DD when in a cruiser. tiafyc
  23. I play mostly USN and IJN dds at Tier VI and above. My first coal purchase was Smoke Generator. I thought that it would be useful for all of my dds. It turns out that it works well in my Haida, but it's much more questionable in my other dds given what you have to give up in that slot (Aiming Systems Mod 1). Because each of these upgrades cost 17,000 of coal (not including coupons), I want my next upgrade purchase to be something that I can use on multiple ships and is worth the tradeoff of the normal slot upgrade (which does make me wonder if ANY of them are worth the swap). Here is the list: 1) Hydroacoustic Search, 2) Smoke Generator, 3) Spotting Aircraft, 4) Surveillance Radar, 5) Defensive AA Fire, 6) Engine Boost, and 7)Damage Control Party Which one (or ones) do you guys think is the most valuable and versatile given that they replace trusted and important standard upgrades? Maybe my coal should go for more Sierra Mike Flags (which I always seem to be in short supply of)?
  24. Hello everyone, before I start with this guide I would like to introduce myself. I come from the European server and my nickname is StorozhevoiGnevni, I am a member of RAIN, was part of the roster that won KoTS VI of the European edition in addition to the Grand finals against the CIS server and I mostly play DDs. In soon 2 full seasons of clan battles I gained a lot of experience in playing the T10 Pan-Asian DD Yueyang so I would like to share some tips and tricks of what I learned in those 2 seasons. Hope you all find it helpful and enjoyable! Why should you get the Yueyang? Very often I see people say "Yueyang is just a Gearing with different smoke and deep-water torpedoes." but I don't think that describes the Yueyang quite well. Yes, it is very similar to the Gearing and yes those are the 2 major differences, but those 2 differences already change it's playstyle from the Gearing. It also stands lower in the water so it makes it smaller and harder to hit. The torps have 13.5km of range and with only 0.8km detection they are your main source of damage (remember you can't hit DDs with them though), guns have 11.8km range which is 0.7km better than the Gearing, it might not sound a lot but often you will find it useful as 11.1km in T10 is fairly limiting. In comparison to the Gearing, the Yueyang eats less BB AP penetrations due to having a lower profile and because Gearing has a lower plate that can also cause to shatter DD HE shells. Yueyang also has the gunpower to deal with any other destroyer in a close range knife-fight, the way you should play those fights I will talk about later. Yueyang in Random battles There are multiple ways how you can play the Yueyang in random battles and for each you need a different build so here are some examples! Remember that before any damage farming, sitting in smokes your main job is to SPOT for your team, therefore if your team has no spotting on the enemy it is your job to leave the smoke and help them deal damage that way, sadly teamplay is not rewarded in this game as much as it should be. Your battleships and cruisers can always do more damage than you when they have the spotting so keep that in mind! Gun focused build: With a gun focused build your goal is to deal as much damage to BBs and knife-fighting DDs in close range. You would run smoke and with the captain skills I will link. Obviously it contains the reload module as well, but if you feel like that is not necessary feel free to switch to torpedo reload module. The playstyle relies heavily on sitting in smoke, hitting torps that cause a flood (even one is enough so you try to torp in a way you get guaranteed hits) and then set fires, or the other way around where you first try to force Damage Control System and then torpedo to get the permanent flooding. This tactic can be done with other builds too but in a less effective way due to missing Demolition Expert and higher reload on the guns. With the gun reload of 2.4 seconds you will have a huge DPM advantage over any other DD (unless it is the same built Yueyang or Gearing) that can make you victorious in fights where you have significantly less health. Use your gun power as much as possible, don't play selfishly and just play to deal damage, make sure to contest caps and kill DDs. Try to recognize when your friendly needs help with an enemy DD and try to kill the threat of your teammates. Remember that you aren't the only destroyer that is a threat to enemy ships, there are enemy destroyers that are a big threat to your team as well and you need to be there to help them out! Captain build: http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/1100000000000011010010100000000119 Prefered modules: DD Hunter build: With a fairly similar build to the gun focused build you still want to maximize your gun reload and maximize your chances when fighting enemy destroyers, but with this build you want to slot radar to be able to counter their smoke or surprise them in the open. Your main source of damage will be torpedoes that will have quite slow reload, but if played correctly your average damage won't be sky high and you shouldn't bother with it. The win rate should be exceptional due to your influence on the game of killing destroyers and removing the threats of your teammates. Captain build: http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/0100000000000011010010000000001119 Prefered modules: Torpedo focused: With a torpedo focused build in random battles you want to minimize the reload cycle of the torps and make sure that you send torpedoes every cooldown. With the excellent torpedo detection you have you can easily get devastating strikes on enemy battleships and cruisers. When you get a torpedo hit that causes flooding to an enemy battleships try to signalize your team to focus that ship as they most likely used their damage control. Getting permanent fires on them will kill them fairly quickly and help your team win! The more you play the ship or any destroyer for that fact will help you master your torpedo game. Try to predict enemy movements if you can, securing one hit is already very useful for your team! Even though you are focused around torpedoes don't forget to hunt DDs, I recommend radar for this build (even though smoke is as viable, it really is your choice) so don't forget to influence the game by doing what a destroyer such as Yueyang should do, spot for your team, try to kill enemy destroyers, your gun power is still better than what Shimakaze, Grozovoi, Z-52 can ever get, as well as equal to Gearing. The destroyer you certainly don't want to fight is a Khabarovsk but that is a rule for every other destroyer too. Captain build: http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/0100000000000011011000000000001119 Prefered modules: To sum it up whatever build you are using in random games you must understand you are a destroyer before anything else. The value of spotting for your team is something that is so underestimated among the average players but is so useful for your team and can easily be a game winning factor. You also need to give your best in capping, contesting capture points, positioning yourself between an enemy DD and your battleship so you can spot the torpedoes. Sometimes you will get matchmaking with a carrier in it that will spot your torpedoes or keep you powerless by spotting you or even killing you and you can't do much about it. Those games don't happen always and it is luck based. Go over it and hope for better the next game. Lot of players complain about radar but there is very much a way to deal with it, use island cover to your advantage, practice your dodging and don't put yourself into unnecessary risks in the early game. You have great maneuverability. The longer you survive in a game the longer you can influence the game so save those risky moves for when you have to do it. Yueyang in Clan battles Yueyang is the most popular destroyer in Clan battles and there is a simple reason for it; it is the only T10 destroyer that can slot radar. And other than radar it is an excellent hybrid, something every clan would want. A mix of great guns, great torps, radar, very good concealment, great maneuverability is what in my opinion makes it so strong. There are 3 viable Yueyang builds that all differ in one T3 skill. Which one you take is your own preference, I personally run Torpedo Armament Expertise as I don't find Super Intendent useful at all, I never find myself in need of using over 3 radars in a clan battle game. The other one focuses on maximizing gun power when engaging enemy DD-taking BFT and Reload module over TAE and Torpedo Reload module. If you find yourself often fighting enemy DD then I would call it worth it, but most of the times you rely on your dodging and the support of your teammates to deal damage, if you can dodge better than the enemy DD you will win the trade. Probably the most important factor when playing DD in CBs is spotting; invest time in learning detection ranges of T10 ships and radar ranges. There are 2 ships that you as a destroyer player need to be extremely careful of; Worcester and Minotaur. Why are they so dangerous for you? Because their detection range is lower than their radar range meaning when they get spotted they will instantly radar you. You will probably eat damage when that happens regardless of your position, but if you get caught nose in towards it you will need to turn away to disengage meaning you will get closer to him as well as him to you making you unable to leave his radar range-long story short you are most likely dead or lucky to survive. Therefore when you see one of those ships in an enemy lineup make sure to turn before you can possibly spot him and be ready to run away and dodge. You want to reverse spot him and when in that position you are already unpredictable when they need to aim. Next thing you must learn is to prioritize the shells you want to dodge. Zao shells will over be more dangerous than Worcester or Minotaur shells, BB shells will always be the most dangerous out of all. Watch when they shoot, don't try to dodge before they even shoot because just wiggling won't save you from eating their shells. There are many ways of throwing off the aim even of the shells as fast as Zao's. Dropping your speed completely and turning in a direction most likely will always work for a salvo or two, turning once when he shoots and then turning back as the shells come closer will make you dodge the shells. The more you dodge, better you will get at judgement of the shells and how to dodge them. As a destroyer in Clan battles you usually have a lot of time to think, therefore you must be a step ahead of your caller/commander, destroyer is also a good class for being a caller yourself for the same reason. Look at the minimap, try to see the potential plays you could do that would help your team. Your commander can't react at the perfect time for everyone to tell you what to do and it can be too late. Timing in this game is everything and doing something 20 seconds before you get called to do so can be a win/loss difference. Your every move must be well thought, the time you can see the move and how well you can do it differs the top from good, but if you are already thinking that way, hey you are already good at what your team needs. Becoming a consistent DD player in CBs takes time, it is a learning process and you will make mistakes on that journey, but make sure you learn from those and correct them the next time you get a similar scenario. You should try to always have an impact on the game, even though it is often not so easy, try to be a force on the map and don't sit in the backline unless you get said otherwise (there are scenarios where you simply can't help with anything and forcing yourself in the front line can get you in risk of getting killed, try to recognize those). Three captain builds: http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/0100000000000011011000000000001119 http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/0100000000000011010010000000001119 http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/0100000000000011010001000000001119 Prefered modules: Regarding the smoke Yueyang it is used mostly in a very specific tactic that runs around it such as aggressive flank pushes with stealthy cruisers and the ability to dish out smokes fairly consistently with a lot of charges. Since the cooldown nerf I don't think it is worth for anything else, if you want to smoke up your cruisers in a defensive position I would take a Gearing. Important to remember: -You are the eyes of your team, learn the detection ranges of T10 ships -Be careful when facing a Minotaur or a Worcester -Prioritize the shells you want to dodge, some are more dangerous than the other -Be unpredictable with your dodging, don't dodge when shells aren't even fired -Think for yourself, try to be ahead of your caller and make well thought plays -Timing is everything -Becoming a great consistent DD player is a learning process, make sure to correct your mistakes and learn -Know when to shoot, engage the enemy destroyer and when to run Tips and Tricks Putting yourself in a favourable position in a gun fight: When fighting enemy DDs you must be aware that once you are nose in to him it is basically impossible to disengage before you kill him or you are forced to use your smoke, not every fight is a 1v1, being nose in makes you predictable and easier to hit so if you expect an enemy DD try to put yourself in a kiting position, that doesn't necessarily mean kiting from the start, but if you need to bail you will most likely survive easily plus if there are torps coming there is 90% of the time plenty of time to make a perfect dodge. This is a rule I would apply to every single destroyer in the game. Cap contesting: When contesting a cap both in randoms and especially in clan battles you can expect to be radared, torpedoed or rushed. It is incredibly important to have safety exit route, once again nose in means mostly death so you want to be in a reversing position towards the cap (stern towards the enemy). If the cap is contested and you want to challenge an enemy DD to a fight simply reverse towards the middle of the cap or until you spot him and you should already be in a favourable position. When capping don't leave the cap until you are reset, don't be so scared of radar because you can still pull of the cap for your team and that is where your judgement comes into play. Often in clan battles you will have a ship shooting at you with 5 seconds left on taking the cap, watch when he shoots and if you think shells might be going in front or exactly at the middle of your ship, try reversing in more to the cap as it will always be enough to secure the cap. Most of the time reversing in is something a BB player won't expect and he will miss but don't be overconfident, as it can be a double-edged sword if you misjudge the shells! Always have confidence in your moves, if something doesn't work you will have more experience for the next game. Hope everyone found this guide helpful, feel free to ask questions and please tell me if it really is useful. There would be nothing nicer to hear than that this helps people and that there is improvement! Good luck on the high seas and be smart! [RAIN]StorozhevoiGnevni
  25. kukailimoku

    Minekazi or Mutsuki line???

    Minekaze or Mutsuki line? Why?