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  1. Jdelgado20005

    Cossack vs Haida

    Hi Everyone, I'm not too savvy on the actual technical specs on each ship, however i don't consider myself a "noob" at all. My question comes to what actually decides what tier a ship should be categorized by??? I own both Haida VII and Cossack VIII. So i bought the Cossack thinking it will be a nice upgrade from the Haida. I think I'm finally making the Cossack work for me but looking at the stats of each ship i realized that the stats of the Haida are better. I usually achieve 100K dmg with the Haida most of the time, and as for the Cossack boy is it an achievement when I do. I did upgrade commander skill for Turret Traverse speed on the Cossack bringing my Artillery up by 1. Stats for Haida: Suitability: 26 Artillery: 29 Torpedoes: 11 AA Defense: 22 Maneuverability: 85 Concealment: 96 Stats for Cossack Suitability: 27 Artillery: 28 (27 without commander skill) Torpedoes: 12 AA Defense: 11 Maneuverability: 84 Concealment: 97 If anyone could explain this .. well you da real MVP. Thanks all and may everyone have a GG!
  2. Started a game, fired on an opponent's Farragut in Nelson , multiple hits with absolutely no damaging effect , two salvos, roughly around the 3-5 minutes mark of the replay (17-15) WoWS_report.wgc 20181109_223459_PBSB517-Nelson_19_OC_prey.wowsreplay
  3. SteeLeviathan

    French tier 10 destroyer

    So with the release of the le Terrible, it got me thinking of what possible the french destroyer line would be like and what the top ship would be. Since the Le Terrible is a tier 8 destroyer, I would think that Le Fantasque would be the equal tier, but then that brings up some questions of power. If tier 8 would that mean that the Mogador with its 4x2 guns would be tier 9 with the T47 being tier 10? The problem i see with the T47 is that it drops a whole lot of gun power by going from 4x2 139mm guns to 3x2 127mm. That lose of power is possibly made up by the aa buff and increase of 2 more torps but as i can tell right now, the french are fast gunboats, possibly. Maybe wargames wont use the larger gunboat line and go with the smaller destoyer line with the Le Hardi at tier 8, as another destoyer hybrid line with fast reloading torps instead of heavy firepower, or perhaps WG will go with the mogador at tier 9 and fudge another fantacy tier 10 ship that would have similar firepower to a khab or a harugamo and leave the t47 out of the tech tree or leave for, if they decide to add a second line to the french destroyers as torpboats, maybe. Who knows.
  4. Korn_Bread

    Deplorable Potatoes

    Hello possible member! Thank you for showing interest in Deplorable Potatoes. We are a still relatively new clan that is about more than Warships. We are about family, an online family. We play all sorts of games together not just Warships, this is just the primary one. We don't look at stats, we don't require a tier 10...There are almost no requirements to join! What we do require is: Have a Microphone Be Social Be Respectful Be Active Having a microphone and being social is what makes clan play fun and enjoyable. What's the point of playing with people if you can't talk to each other? Being respectful is just a part of being a human being. To be in any clan you have to be active, however, life happens. Just let people know if you have to take a break. We currently have 25 members. If you're interested join our discord and talk to us!
  5. The only real change to the Gremyashchy since I first reviewed her was the inclusion of camouflage for premium ships. And she looks rather dashing her in her off-white scheme. Quick Summary: A Soviet Gnevny-class destroyer with improved agility, concealment , torpedoes and HE rounds. Patch & Date Written: 0.5.16.0 - December 25th, 2016 Cost: Originally only sold individually or as a part of a pre-order bundle in Spring of 2015. During Christmas of 2016, many players reported acquiring them through the "Santa's Secret Stash" promotion. Closest in-Game Contemporary Anshan, Tier 6 Premium Pan-Asian DestroyerDegree of Similarity: Clone / Sister-Ship / Related Class / Similar Role / Unique I got quite upset, once upon a time, when various players reported that the Anshan was effectively a tier 6 Gremyashchy. I made it a personal mission to dispel this illusion, perhaps a little too vehemently. The two ships do share a lot of similarities, but the Anshan is a far cry from the second coming of the Gremyashchy. While superficially similar, the Asian destroyer doesn't have the same agility, high explosive shells or stealth capabilities of the pre-order vessel. PROs Good muzzle velocity and flat shell trajectory with her 130mm rifles with an impressive 11.9km range. Excellent AP performance with a high alpha strike of 2,500 per shell. Quite capable of stacking citadels upon cruisers that leave their broadside exposed at medium to close ranges. Better HE performance than any contemporary Soviet Destroyers, with 1,900 alpha strike and a base 9% to start fires with each hit. This makes her one of the best fire starting Destroyers in the game. Very good torpedoes with an 8km range and 14,400 maximum damage. Tiny turning circle of 510m and short rudder shift time of 2.7s Excellent concealment values while firing, giving her a 1.0km stealth firing window even without premium camouflage or Captain Skills. CONs Very low armour values of 10mm along nearly the whole length of her hull. British 152mm AP shells will easily overmatch this preventing her from being able to angle against it. Horrible gun traverse, with a 5° per second turret rotation (36s for 180°). The ship easily out turns them. Poor fire angles on her #3 turret. Torpedoes are slow at 55 knots. Large surface detection range for a tier 5 destroyer at 7.0km base. The sun sets on 2016. I'm very curious to see how much the game will change in 2017 and what effect it will have on the various premium ships I've looked at over the last year. Nothing has really changed on the Gremyashchy since I first reviewed her. However, the game has changed around her over the last year. Soviet and British cruisers have joined the ranks. So too have German Battleships and another handful of Japanese Destroyers. The module system got tweaked and Captain Skills were overhauled. Finally, and perhaps most significantly, Matchmaker changes pit the Gremyashchy more and more against what could be considered more fair opposition for this relic of the past. To be certain, the Gremyashchy is a fossil. Like the Warspite, she's a snapshot of World of Warships from an earlier time, representing norms that no longer exist. She used to be a middle-road destroyer with worse gunnery and brawling ability to the USN Nicholas and significantly worse torpedoes to the IJN Minekaze. She couldn't hold a candle to these two rival destroyers in their chosen areas of excellence and this made her seem a bit of a poor choice overall -- so much so that many players passed up the chance to purchase her when she was available. I cannot stress this enough: The Gremyashchy was often overlooked in favour of the Yubari and Sims at the time. Those that saw her merits loved her, but she was so often dismissed. With the typical attrition of the player base over time, the Gremyashchy has become an increasingly rare sight until recently. While it remains possible to earn a Gremyashchy through a Super Container, the 2016 Christmas Promotion, "Santa's Secret Stash" has yielded a significant number of these ships to the player base. This is by no means guaranteed, of course. The more premium ships a player owned already, the more likely they were to draw this ship as the loot containers seemed loathe to duplicate vessels already owned. While some seemed to acquire her with ease, others have gone through a long frustration of receiving anything but. To this end, I thought it prudent to revisit the Gremyashchy and express what all the fuss is about. Options The Gremyashchy is very predictable when it comes to her options. All of her consumables and module slots are standard for her nationality. There's nothing out of the ordinary here. Consumables: Damage Control Party Smoke Generator Engine Boost Module Upgrades: Three slots, standard destroyer options.Premium Camouflage: Tier 2 to 5 Standard. This provides 30% bonus experience gains, 3% reduction in surface detection and 4% reduction in enemy accuracy. Firepower Primary Battery: Four 130mm rifles in four turrets in an A-B-X-Y superfiring configuration Torpedo Armament: Six 533mm torpedoes in 2x3 dorsal launchers. Let's start with Torpedoes. Like the Molotov, the Gremyashchy is armed with a weapon system of a comparable Soviet ship several tiers higher than it. While the Molotov gets the same guns as the tier 9 Dmitri Donskoi, the Gremyashchy gets a similar torpedo armament of the tier 8 Tashkent. If this raises a few alarm bells; it should. The Tashkent's torpedoes are terrible for a tier 8 ship. All joking aside, the Gremyashchy has torpedoes that now compete very closely to its tier 5 counterparts, but this wasn't always the case. To best understand the Gremyashchy's weapon systems and why they're considered so overpowered, you have to look at her competition when she was first introduced. Her only contemporaries at the time were the Minekaze and Nicholas, but these ships were very different at the time of their inception. Let's start by comparing their torpedo armaments from the Closed-Beta era. Values were pulled from World of Warships Closed Beta, around Patch 0.3.1.3 While it's perhaps common knowledge that the Minekaze was a better torpedo ship when compared to the Gremyashchy, it's important to appreciate just how much better the Minekaze was. While both ships had comparable hitting power with individual torpedoes, the Minekaze fired her torpedoes 50% faster than the Gremyashchy. Her fish moved at higher speeds regardless of which armament she elected to use. With her 1.1km surface detection range advantage over the Gremyashchy, she could get closer to her prey to help guarantee hits or sit way back and never risk detection with her 10km torpedoes. The Nicholas' torpedoes were designed for close quarters brawling. Let's look at how things have changed. Note the drop in reaction times. Tier 4 and 5 is always a kick in the teeth for novice Battleship Captains that don't appreciate that you need to dodge torpedoes long before they're spotted. The Minekaze has fallen a long way since Closed Beta. While she retains a blistering rate of fire, that's about all she can now claim. When we look at the Gremyashchy, she appeared to only be a modest torpedo boat in Closed Beta. However, it would be hard to argue that she's not one of the most attractive torpedo platforms at tier 5 currently, with only the Kamikaze, Mutsuki and T-22 being comparable or better. It should be noted that her torpedo armament does not stand head and shoulders over her competition, but that it merely remains competitive. She has the slowest torpedoes at tier 5 and one of the largest surface detection ranges. This requires her to launch torpedoes from further out, making it more likely for her to miss from minor course adjustments of her prey. The Gremyashchy doesn't have better torpedoes than any of her tier 5 counterparts. However, she is no longer outdone by them to any significant degree like she was when she was introduced. Now let's take a look at her Guns. Main BatteryThere are only a couple of downsides to the Gremyashchy's guns. The first is the most obvious: She has horrible gun traverse rates. Needing 36s to complete a 180° rotation, this can feel downright punitive until Captain Skills or modules are used to accelerate it. Still, even with all of the boosts available, the Gremyashchy can and will out turn her guns with even the smallest adjustments of her rudder. This will often get novice Gremyashchy players in trouble as they'll abstain from conducting any maneuvers at all while under fire, leading to predictable deaths from enemy gun and torpedo fire. The second setback is a minor one. Her #3 rifle has her fire angles impaired by a pair of 12.7mm machine gun mounts. This can only rotate forward to 53° while her #4 can reach as far forward as 30°. These drawbacks aside, it's hard to see the Gremyashchy's main battery as being anything but superior to her contemporaries at tier 5. In fact, it's not until you stack her against tier 7 ships that her performance begins to wane. Like her torpedoes, this again wasn't always the case. The Nicholas used to be a much better close-range gunnery platform to the Gremyashchy, back before the changes to AP and HE shells around 0.3.1 and through to 0.3.1.3. This saw AP and HE switch places in terms of primacy where destroyer shooting was concerned and the Nicholas never really recovered. After 0.3.1.3 in Closed Beta, the Gremyashchy began standing on par with the Nicholas or exceeding her and she's never really looked back since. Currently at tier 5, the Gremyashchy has the best AP shell, the second best HE shell behind only the premium Kamikaze-class Destroyers. Yet she's the best fire starter at her tier. On top of this, she has the excellent ballistic arcs found on the IJN ships yet without the range limitations. The Gremyashchy has a 1km reach advantage over the Nicholas and T-22 and only falls behind them in terms of rate of fire. It gets worse when you compare her to the lead of her class. She dodged the 0.5.2 nerf that shaved 300hp off of Soviet HE shells and dropped their fire chance from 9%,which the Gremyashchy retains, to 7% (this was later buffed back up to 8%). On top of this, she doesn't suffer the 2.0km additional surface detection range "tax" added to all Soviet 130mm Destroyer caliber guns. This allows her to stealth fire from the surface while stock at a range of 10.9km or greater. Once combined with Captain Skills and camouflage, this stealth-window gets absolutely insane. Summary Perhaps now you can start to see the issue with the Gremyashchy. She has not only an excellent main armament but she also has an excellent torpedo armament. No other destroyer at her tier mixes these two systems to the same effect. She doesn't meet any serious challengers to this kind of balanced mix of main battery & torpedo armament until the tier 7 Destroyers and she can almost keep up with those! Best overall gun performance at her tier. Highly competitive torpedo armament. Capable of using both weapon systems from concealment while stock. The only real downside is her sluggish turret traverse. Arguably the equivalent of a modest tier 7 destroyer in terms of firepower. The Gremyashchy's guns are horribly overpowered with ridiculous stealth characteristics. However, don't overlook her torpedoes. They are phenomenal in their own right. While leaning on only a single weapon system will still net you great games, using the right combinations of AP, HE and Torpedoes will allow you to utterly dominate in a given match. Maneuverability Top Speed: 37.0 knots Turning Radius: 510m Rudder Shift Time: 2.7s If you were hoping to see some form of moderation appear here, you're out of luck. Back in patch 0.3.1, the Gremyashchy had her turning circle kicked down from 630m to its current 510m. This was countered by a 6.0s rudder shift time, but clearly that didn't stick. So now she enjoys the best of both worlds and it's not like every other destroyer can say the same. She has the tightest turning circle at her tier and a very competitive rudder shift time. It should be noted that this agility comes with the price of being quite apt at out turning her turret traverse. While this may be frustrating, remember short of lining up a kill shot, it's always preferable to focus on evasion over doing damage in a destroyer. She's not the fastest destroyer (that honour goes to the Minekaze at 39.0 knots) but her own top speed is competitive enough to keep pace with everything she might face. Durability Hit Points: 13,100 Maximum Protection: 13mm Min Bow & Deck Armour: 10mm It probably comes as no surprise that the Gremyashchy is lightly armoured. What may surprise some of my readers is that she's more lightly armoured than most other destroyers at her tier -- and this can be a real problem thanks to the inclusion of the Royal Navy cruisers. It takes a minimum of 11mm of armour to be able to bounce the 152mm AP shells that the British cruisers fire. Though the Gremyashchy has these values along her deck and turret faces (as do all destroyers), she does not have them along her hull. This makes it impossible for her to angle against incoming AP fire from British warships and attempt some lucky ricochets -- something that all of the other destroyers can. This may seem like a small weakness, but it's worth keeping in mind. Concealment & Camouflage Surface Detection Range: 7.0km Air Detection Range: 3.6km Minimum Surface Detection Range: 6.1km Concealment Penalty while Firing: +3.9km (vs 11.9km gun range) This is the last piece of the puzzle which describes exactly why Wargaming will not sell the Gremyashchy anymore. She doesn't suffer from the same concealment penalties that have afflicted Soviet and German Destroyers. The original concealment penalty calculation when firing guns is 0.03 times the shell diameter. Soviet Destroyers add an additional 2.0km to this range and German Destroyers add 3.5km. Not so the Gremyashchy. The result is that while stock, she has a 1.0km stealth firing window (1.2km with her camouflage) when using her main battery. When Captain Skills are thrown into the mix, this can allow the Gremyashchy to sit just beyond 10km of an enemy and pour fire into her without risking detection. Keep in mind, at these ranges she can potentially citadel a light cruiser with her AP rounds or accurately place HE shells on each separate section of a Battleship to maximize fires. This is also close enough to continue pelting an enemy destroyer with a reasonable chance of landing shells on target even when they evade. Short of Wargaming overhauling the stealth-firing mechanics for the game as a whole (such as changing the stealth firing penalty to shell diameter * 0.04 or higher) , the Gremyashchy will always be overpowered in this regard. A mid-tier CV's worst nightmare: An alert Gremyashchy within gun range. Anti-Aircraft DefenseAA Battery Calibers: 76mm / 37mm / 12.7mmAA Umbrella Ranges: 3.0km / 3.2km / 1.2kmAA DPS per Aura: 4 / 23 / 17 For a mid-tier Destroyer, the Gremyashchy's anti-aircraft firepower is rather decent. It's not great by any means. I wouldn't trust it to shoot down anything before it made its attack run, but it may bruise any planes sent to linger around her in order to keep her spotted. Most of the time, though, you're best to just leave this turned off. Overall Impressions Skill Floor: Simple / Casual / Challenging / Difficult Skill Ceiling: Low / Moderate / High / Extreme The potential for this ship is enormous. Like many destroyers, she's not quite user-friendly enough that just anyone will be able to take her out and score big each and every time. Without an appreciation for stealth mechanics, without respecting ammunition choices and proper consumable management, the Gremyashchy will fail to deliver. The tools are all there, don't get me wrong, but a novice can still easily mishandle this little monster. But in terms of raw carry potential? The sky's the limit. If you see one of these ships on the enemy team, take any opportunity to delete it as of paramount importance. In the right hands, there are some ships on your team that do not stand a chance -- full stop. Slow "brick" Battleships are meat on the table. Light Cruisers without long-range detection consumables like Radar or Aircraft are horribly vulnerable. A Gremmy player that knows how to ride the knife edge of detection, that keeps map awareness up and juggles shell management like a boss will give any team a very, very bad day. Pray you can detonate the fiend. Mouse's Summary: What weaknesses? Seriously... Good guns, good torps, good stealth, good concealment, good agility... Need I go on? Let's hope that any changes to stealth firing in the future also affect the Gremyashchy, or she's only going to get worse. In her current state, she belongs at tier 7. Studying the Gremyashchy is fascinating. In writing this review, I spent a lot of time looking up her original stats from back in Closed Beta. This is no easy feat. Wargaming no longer appears to host the Patch Notes from those times on the North American or European Servers and a lot of changes were undocumented. It was only through reviews and replays that I could get a clear image of what she was compared to what she is now. A lot of the information was piecemeal. It was difficult enough to find what I wanted for the Gremyashchy and down right impossible to also find Minekaze and Nicholas data from the same patch. Changes were rampant back between patches 3.1 to 3.1.3 with a see-saw of gunnery statistics as the primacy of AP was diminished and HE became dominant. It has to be said that the Gremyashchy came out of Closed Beta in a very healthy state. This isn't something all Premiums can boast (I'm looking at you, Atlanta). But it wasn't just the changes to Closed Beta that put the Gremyashchy on top. It's been the continued refinement (some might describe it as an erosion) of the balance at tier 5. The 3.5km surface detection penalty while firing on German Destroyers looks downright punitive in the current meta. It makes the 2.0km surface detection penalty on the Soviet Destroyers look downright manageable. The Minekaze is a hollow shell of her former self. And if rumours are to be believed, the Kamikaze-class will no longer be made available for purchase in the future. It's clear the environment at tier 5 is becoming all the more forgiving for the Gremmy as serious competition is being shackled by more moderated stats. I seriously considered measuring the Gremmy not against the tier 5s but against the tier 7 destroyers. It was shocking to see just how close she came to the likes of the Leningrad. While she's lacking on DPM, as she is presently, I do think she could slot in at tier 7 provided stealth gunnery does not change in the future -- yes, I think she's that powerful. It would be a tough sell which is why I wussed out and decided to instead focus on her Closed Beta statistics. Cross drop? No problem. The Gremmy's agility makes dodging fish look easy. Would I Recommend? Like the Imperator Nikolai I, there's only two ways presently to acquire the Gremyashchy. The first is to find her in a Super Container earned through the daily experience grind. The more Premium ships you own, the more likely you are to finally get one, so that's pretty cool. I can only imagine how awesome it would feel to get her this way ... and how frustrating it must be if you've pinned your hopes on this. The other option is with the Christmas 2016 sale where players could buy different sized loot containers. I wish there was some actual data on the odds of earning a rare ship through this promotion. There are a lot of anecdotal experiences that can be found on Reddit or the official forums. It seems that similar to Super Containers above, the more Premium Ships a player owns, the more likely they are to acquire a Gremyashchy. But this is by no means certain. Anyone hoping to beat the odds should be careful with their coin. Getting the Gremyashchy, while it seems to be possible, may not be likely. For Random Battle Grinding The Gremyashchy is a PUB stomping monster. She's a perfect choice for someone looking to help train their Soviet Captains, to earn a few extra credits or simply to farm awards like Kraken Unleashed. I cannot recommend her enough for this. For Competitive Gaming If you have the option of using the Gremyashchy in some form of competitive arena, then she's an excellent choice. For Collectors Meh? For many of us in the West, the Gremyashchy has more value as a rare-ship in this game than for her historical achievements. She is one of the few Soviet Warships that saw surface action in WWII, engaging German Destroyers. For Fun Factor She's one of my most played ships for a reason. I just wish I didn't feel so dirty afterwards... How to Equip your Gremyashchy There should be no real surprises here. Recommended Modules As a tier 5 ship, there's only three module slots to contend with. For your first slot, take Magazine Modification 1 to reduce buzz-killing, horrendous kablooies. You have a choice for your second slot between Aiming Systems Modifaction 1 and Main Battery Modification 2. Which you take largely depends on the Concealment rating of your Gremmy. If you specialize her through your Captain Skills for range and stealth, the former will be more valuable as you will not need to maneuver your ship as often. Without them, then the latter is the better choice. This will keep your guns on target longer and offsets any loss to your DPM as a result. Guess what? The third slot modules are still terrible. Take whichever one you like. Recommended Consumables As a destroyer, I strongly recommend taking a premium version of your Smoke Generator. This will add an extra charge, but more importantly, it will also reduce the reset timer to 80s from 120s. It's up to you if you want to use premium versions of the other two consumables. I personally use a premium Damage Control Party, but most games it's largely superfluous. Those few times it has come in handy, it's more to bail out my own stupidity than any necessity predicated by ship performance. Recommended Captain Skills The big choice with the Gremyashchy is whether to push for Concealment bonuses right away or to linger in the lower tiered skills for more quality of life improvements. Here's how it breaks down. At the first tier, Basic Fire Training is your best choice. This bumps up her rate of fire to 13.2rpm. There's no surprise that as a destroyer, you'll want Last Stand first and foremost. However, you'll also (desperately) want Expert Marksman. And lastly, Torpedo Armament Expertise is also highly coveted to reduce that reload timer, but consider this a tertiary skill. At tier 3, Superintendent is still the best choice, if only for the extra charge on your Smoke Generator. At tier 4, there are two skills worth considering. Advanced Fire Training may seem like the obvious choice. This will increase your range up to 14.3km and boost your stealth firing window from 1.2km (with camouflage) to 3.6km. However, with discipline, you can just as easily manage without it and take Demolition Expert instead to increase your fire chance to 12% per shell. If you didn't double up on tier 4 skills, then Concealment Expert is the best choice at tier 5. Without Advanced Fire Training, this increases your stealth firing window with torpedoes AND guns to 1.9km. With Advanced Fire Training, your gun window opens up to 4.3km which is stupidly overpowered. For more articles in this series, please visit: LittleWhiteMouse's Mega Ship Review Guide
  6. Introduction Icarus's Wings A fresh contender in a strong tier for gunboat DDs Icarus is a big step-up from its predecessor, Acasta; the question is if it's a big *enough* step given how strong tier 6 is for DDs, especially gunboat DDs. Tier 6 is, in my opinion, the single best, most-crowded tier for destroyers. There's fantastic differentiation and a lot of strong boats. If you can't find a DD at tier 6 that fits your style, you're just not a DD player. Icarus is a much more versatile boat than her predecessor. You retain the same artillery configuration, with stats remaining basically the same, with exception of gaining .5km of basically useless range given the punitive shell arcs of her guns. However, your torps, while still slow, gain an extra 1k of range while maintaining Acasta's concealment, making stealth torpedo attacks more viable from unfavorable angles (with Acasta, you could only stealthtorp approaching ships unless you used islands to ambush.) You also get 2x5 torps instead of 2x4 while maintaining the singlefire capability, and they do much more damage. Don't get me wrong; Icarus is still first and foremost a fleet support/cap control DD. However, the torp upgrade gives her some much-needed damage-dealing capability and versatility. Her artillery is still limited, but she gets a hit point boost, plus she has hydro. Being able to put a 10-torp spread across a whole smoke cloud to flush out or kill red DDs, having a middle-of-pack hp pool and the nimbleness to dodge some fire, and hydro to give early warning of torps makes her a stronger cap contester than Acasta. Little things, but she feels much more comfortable and less out-classed. Part of that is also being middle or top tier more often, so YMMV, she just feels much more competitive. She still struggles from the same meh gun traverse and dpm of Acasta, but the improvements elsewhere help her with her primary role. And her stealth, while not an improvement over Acasta, is still fairly decent; she can outspot what can outshoot her, and use her quick-reloading defensive smoke to break contact when needed. Is she a keeper for me? No. And that's not necessarily because I don't like her; she felt far more comfortable than Acasta. Tier 6 is just such a stacked deck for DDs, including DDs that do many of the same things Icarus does well. Comparisons with the stacked deck of tier 6 DDs: The obvious comparison for Icarus IMO is Farragut, one of my favorite boats of all time. Farragut's only a hair below Icarus in HP, is very nimble, and puts out a fearsome DPM in a knife fight; she can't stealthtorp in all situations, but her torps hit hard and fast and she's adept at using them on ships approaching obliquely and then running before being sighted. Icarus will see her first, but Farragut is much faster, especially with speed boost. I've often said Farragut is, tier-for-tier, the best cap control boat in the game; Icarus is built for that niche, and may be just as effective, but it's a toss-up and although I'm fond of calling Farragut a swiss-army-knife DD, Icarus has an advantage in open-water torp operations, although Farragut's speed can get her out of trouble quicker. They're both adept at DD hunting in their own ways. I'll call it even. T-61 has slightly better hydro than Icarus, and quick-reload 8km torps, but her guns are a tad weaker; slightly faster ROF, slightly lower traverse, lower damage. She's a very versatile boat, and her advantage in hp and better hydro with only marginally worse concealment makes it also a toss-up as far as cap control, with T-61's longer-range torps making her a much better torpboat. Admittedly, T-61 is almost hilariously OP in the right hands just because she has no real weaknesses, so this may be an unfair comparison. Gaede has much higher visibility; Icarus can see her early enough to run, but a well-played Gaede can bully an Icarus in a 1v1. With support, Icarus can focus on spotting and win. Gallant is a nice alternative for those who place a larger emphasis on torpedo capability; she gives up 2 tubes compared to Icarus but gains 1km of range, and Icarus is a much stronger cap contester. And even with Icarus's improved torpedoes, she can't compete with Hatsuharu or Fubuki as a torp platform, although she can murder them in a gunfight. She's far more versatile than Gnevny or Fushun. PROS: *Single-fire torps. Great for island ambushes of ships coming around a corner, strait/gap control, or torping smoke clouds when you're pretty sure a red DD is in there due to flexibility of torp spread design (can drop them all in a row or spread them out as you see fit. And having a decent window to stealthtorp gives her some teeth in the mid-game or standard battles, expanding her role beyond her core competency of DD hunting, fleet support, and cap control. *Good acceleration and handling: RN DDs don't get speed boost, but they accelerate quick and hold speed in a turn. These aren't huge advantages, but they help you knife-fight other DDs and still avoid torps, and help get you out of trouble. *Decent stealth: Same stealth as Acasta; you'll get outspotted by some tier 8 DDs since they can equip the concealment mod, but you're at least in the neighborhood of everything in tier 6 and 7. You can outspot everything that outguns you. And your smoke is great for breaking contact and vision control even though it sucks for offensive use. *Hydro: Like Icarus's smoke, her hydro is mostly defensive; very limited range limits its use offensively, but when used properly gives you plenty of early warning of torps and allows you to be very aggressive in a knife fight, bearing in mind your average HP and the fact that you're still outgunned by USN DDs. CONS: *Meh guns: the improved AP ricochet angles RN ships get hasnt been a huge factor for me so far, and the low effective range (due to firing arcs), meh traverse, meh reload speed, and meh DPM means you need to be cautious in engaging other gunboats as even a win can be pyrrhic in lost hp. *No speed boost: She's nimble, and her quick-reload smoke can help break contact, but if you overextend you're not going to find it easy to get back out. She's not a deep-penetration DD and you're going to struggle if you try to break through to go for the CV kill. Fight for caps, play aggressive, but stay in support range and know your exit strategies because breaking contact is difficult, especially if you have red ships nearby at multiple angles and cant use smoke to break LOS with all of them. TL;DR: Icarus is an ok boat but it's a crowded pack. . For a less experienced player, I think she's a great choice for a t6 gunboat; Farragut's skill floor is a bit higher. She's a well rounded boat; she's got a bit more versatility than Acasta which makes her a far better boat for randoms, and as the first boat to have hydro in the line she fits better in the niche WG expects RN DDs to operate in. She seems like a balanced addition; not overpowered, not underpowered, but capable of performing according to the skill of her driver. If I didn't own T-61, I might keep Icarus for a Farragut alternative; but as I already have Farragut, T-61, and Gallant as keepers, Icarus doesn't add anything new to my port. Still a worthy addition to the game. Other British DD reviews: Acasta Doing Business (My other reviews - British BBs: Conqueror/Lion Monarch KGV Queen Elizabeth French BBs: Overall Line Review German DDs: Flottentorpedoboot My Waifu)
  7. Cossack is a stealthy British gunship destroyer armed with eight 120mm/45 naval rifles and a single bank of four, high-tier torpedoes. She is defined by her good concealment values and awkward firing arcs. Cossack also has access to the Engine Boost consumable while maintaining improved British acceleration and energy preservation. Game play wise, Cossack is very similar to Lightning with an overlap in consumables and commander skill choices. Wargaming has set her price tag at 9,600 doubloons. This is the second Tribal-class destroyer introduced into World of Warships following the release of HMCS Haida earlier this year. She is less remarkable than her sister-ship but that's largely owing to the unforgiving environment in which she plays. Cossack contends with being up-tiered more often than her Canadian counterpart and higher tiered matches are far more radar intensive. Moreover, at tier VII Haida has a defined role -- she's a lolibote-molester. This role is generally lacking among the other tin-cans at tier VII which makes Haida stand out. Cossack doesn't share this same kind of defined specialty. She's more of a generalist scout or gunship -- roles that are replicated by other destroyers at her tier. Thus, Cossack is a workhorse, one gunship among many. She gets the job done in a tough environment which is worth noting, though she is not deserving of any acclaim in this regard. PROS Good DPM performance on her guns and excellent chance at starting fires. Powerful torpedoes for a gunship which may launched individually. Improved engine performance with increased acceleration and energy preservation in a turn while also having access to the Engine Boost consumable. Ridiculous rate of turn, throwing herself about at almost 9.0º/s! Good concealment with a surface detection as low as 5.48km. Access to a long-lasting British Hydroacoustic Search consumable. CONS Poor fire angles on all weapons. Terrible gun ballistics -- worse than American 127mm/38s. Limited to a single torpedo launcher. Her anti-aircraft firepower is effectively non-existent. Poor quality Smoke Generator consumable with short emission time and duration. Overview Skill Floor: Simple / Casual / Challenging / Difficult Skill Ceiling: Low / Moderate / High / Extreme Cossack is not a forgiving ship to play. For a novice player, she has many strikes against her. She struggles to do damage, hamstrung with restrictive fire sectors on all of her weapons and poor performing guns. A deep skill build is necessary to allow her to do direct damage with her artillery against larger opponents and the range of targets she can engage is limited. Having a single torpedo launcher does her no favours either. She is at her best at what amounts to point-blank ranges. At high tiers this is a range where you will get killed in short order for making a mistake. Cossack has the speed, stealth and agility enough to make her attractive to a veteran but her engagement range, optimized for short-distances and limited attack power are a severe mark against her carry potential. Still, she has a diverse toolkit that will earn her some devoted supporters. – One of, if not the worst at its tier. This is a pronounced weakness. – Middle of the pack at its tier. Not terrible, but not terribly good either. – Has a significant advantage over her tier mates. A solid, competitive performer. – No other ship at its tier does this as well as this ship. Cossack's damage output and durability are best described as average. While she does have her strong points, a combination of drawbacks with her guns keeps Cossac from outperforming her peers. Her low hit point total similarly holds her back. She gets a rating in both categories. Her anti aircraft firepower is virtually non-existent and she earns a evaluation as a result. It's arguably worse than the IJN torpedo boats which is saying something. Where Cossack stands apart truly is her agility and stealth. She takes primacy from Lightning in terms of flexibility and speed. It's a closer contest for Vision Control, but she wins out against Loyang. She's the in both categories among tier VIII destroyers. Options Cossack's options are almost all standard for a British destroyer. Cossack like (new) British destroyers cannot make use of the Propulsion Modification 2 upgrade as she already has an improved version built in. Consumables Cossack's Damage Control Party is standard for a destroyer. It has unlimited charges, a 60s/40s reset timer and a 5s active period. Cossack uses a British destroyer Smoke Generator. This has 5 charges base and a 90s/70s reset timer (it's not just you, that number is stupid-weird). It emits smoke for 10s and each cloud lasts for 40s. Unlike other (new) British destroyers, Cossack has access to Engine Boost. This is a standard destroyer-version of the consumable providing an 8% speed increase with 2 charges base, an 180s/120s reset timer and a 120s active period. Cossack uses a British destroyer Hydroacoustic Search. This has 2 charges base, a 180s/120s reset timer and a 180s active period. It detects torpedoes and ships at a range of 3.00km. Upgrades Cossack should equip Magazine Modification 1 into its first upgrade slot. If you like to live dangerously, then Main Armaments Modification 1 is fine. In your second slot, the special upgrade, Hydroacoustic Search Modification 1 is optimal. If you do not have access to it, then the next upgrade you should reach for is the special upgrade Engine Boost Modification 1. If you're lacking that, then default to Propulsion Modification 1. Aiming System Modification 1 is optimal for slot 3. The only reasonable choice in your fourth slot is Steering Gears Modification 2. Similarly, the only reasonable choice in your fifth slot is Concealment Modification 1. Camouflage Cossack comes with Type 10 Camouflage. For 2,000 doubloons you may purchase Royal Navy - Cossack as a cosmetic swap. Both camouflages provide: 50% bonus experience gains 10% reduction to maintenance costs 3% reduction in surface detection 4% reduction in enemy accuracy. Cossack comes with Type 10 Camouflage in mottled grey. I personally think she looks prettier in Royal Navy - Cossack in green, black and grey, but that's only for players with deep pockets. Firepower Main Battery: Eight 120mm/45 guns in 4x2 turrets in an A-B-X-Y superfiring configuration. Torpedoes: Four torpedo tubes in a 1×4 launcher mounted amidships. The 120mm/45s that Cossack uses for her main batteries have a lot of problems at tier VIII. While perfectly serviceable at tier VII with ships like Jervis and Gadjah Mada, against the upgraded opposition faced at higher tiers they're nowhere near as competitive on a per-gun basis. This is largely owing to penetration issues due to gun caliber but there are other things to remark. They have a modest rate of fire, damage per shell and poor ballistics. The mountings on HMS Cossack are poorly situated with limited fire arcs and a lackluster traverse rate. Their only real strength is a high fire chance per shell. Her saving grace is that she has a lot of guns -- quantity has quality all of its own. However, the competition is fierce at tier VIII and even armed with eight rifles Cossack struggles finding the edge she needs. Destroyer AP shells are highly circumstantial in their utility. Most simply do not have the penetration or damage output to make them worth chancing the risk of a bounce using except in specific circumstances. Still, when a broadside is offered, switching to AP provides a much improved damage increase -- especially if your target is already burning from fires set. HMS Cossack's poor penetration values limit the range at which she can make these exchanges successfully, with her ability to citadel enemy cruisers falling off at 4km and her ability to reliably penetrate the extremities of battleships dropping off between 9km and 11km.1 Cossack's HE damage potential looks impressive, though it's important to cross reference it with her penetration values. The chart on the right shows the armour value the respective guns can best while the extremity armour on the bottom lists the prevalence of different armour types for the bow and stern. The number in brackets is the (current as of 0.7.9) number of ships with these armour values. There is a long list of targets she is incapable of damaging directly which will necessitate her making the attempt with AP shells instead. The arcs of fire on A and Y turret are terrible, contrasting the excellent arcs on B and X. On top of this, B-turret may rotate 360º which facilitates keeping it engaged even while Cossack manoeuvres. It's thus very easy to keep six guns on target most of the time but especially difficult to keep all eight firing. Bringing all eight guns to bear makes her an easy and predictable target due to the limited fields of fire on her foremost and rearmost turrets. Sacrificing a turret makes Cossack's gunnery no better than a tier VII destroyer. Cossack doesn't have the DPM advantage to be able to best contemporary gunship destroyers. The race is very close. Once you factor in the hit point totals and detection consumables, the margins get even smaller. Against anything higher tier, Cossack comes out the worse for it. This said, Cossack does have the muscle to bully anything smaller than herself short of HMCS Haida. She can play the role of a destroyer hunter provided she can ensure the detection, hit point and DPM advantage, but she has nowhere near the primacy in these categories at her tier. Against larger vessels, Cossack's guns are a mixed bag. Her ability to deal direct damage is compromised with her poor penetration values but she's an excellent fire starter. Note that this is largely owing to volume and accuracy of fire -- Cossack must be cycling all eight of her guns onto a target and landing with most of her hits to be a credible threat this way. Where Cossack truly excels is her potential to set fires. This is especially true of she eschews the use of IFHE in her commander skill build and elects to just focus on Demolition Expert instead. While this is unlikely to ever give a hale and healthy cruiser pause, it is very effective against battleships. Note, in practice these values are approximately halved when striking ships and represent only the raw fire starting potential. Thus, against a Montana, Cossack with a DE build could expect to set about 4 to 5 fires per minute. Be warned, though, the efficiency of focusing on fires leaves a lot to RNG. Cossack's performance will not be consistent. The final issue facing Cossack's gunnery is one of range and detection. She has adequate reach but she suffers from horrible ballistics. British 120mm/45 guns have worse shell arcs than American 127mm/38s. Cossack has similar gunnery challenges to Loyang, Hsienyang, Kidd and Benson without their fast rate of fire to facilitate aim correction. Cossack is greatly endangered by the prevalence of Surveillance Radar within her matchmaking tier where her short engagement range is more likely to bring her within reach of this consumable. Furthermore, her Smoke Generator does not allow for long bouts of gunnery within the safety of concealment. Cossack must contend with much of her gunnery being done while she is vulnerable to return fire if she cannot make use of island cover. Thus, Cossack must be opportunistic. Whatever ability she has to bully other destroyers falls away as she faces same or higher tiered opponents. Her guns can terrorize lower tiered vessels, including battleships but they lack the caliber needed when facing higher tiers. Throw in the usual challenges of radar in this matchmaking spread and a pattern emerges: The power and flexibility of Cossack's guns varies considerably upon the hand which she's dealt by Matchmaking. Cossack's torpedo launchers have much better rearward arcs than forward. Like her guns, Cossack is going to have to give up her full broadside to be able to fire her torpedoes at a target. Cossack's torpedoes are decent individually, but she has too few of them and bad firing arcs to boot. Cossack has HMS Daring's torpedoes but at tier VIII instead of tier X, which looks nice on paper but that single launcher holds her back. The saving grace of Cossack's torpedo armament is her ability to fire them one at a time. While getting good accuracy with single-launch torpedoes is locked behind a skill wall, once mastered it helps greatly with making up for the lack tubes. For a gunship, Cossack has better individual torpedoes than those found on the Soviet, American or German destroyers. However, like with her guns, she places a distant second to Akizuki, lacking both striking power and being unable to keep up with her damage output Furthermore, Cossack's individually more powerful torpedoes in no way makes up for having only one launcher. Like Cossack's guns, her torpedoes perform much better when she's top tier than bottom. Their 10km range is fairly standard (and an improvement on the 8km on Lightning's), however as Surveillance Radar becomes more and more prominent in higher tiers, this reach just doesn't provide the same level of safety. Ideally, a player should be able to combine Cossack's torpedoes with her excellent fire setting to stack damage over time effects on a given target. In practice, this is much easier said than done. Their limited arcs makes finding opportunities to use them difficult, especially in a pinch. When the stars align (or skill prevails), Cossack can doom an enemy vessel in short order by overtaxing their Damage Control Party between fires and floods and score herself an easy kill. However, these will be rare events rather than commonplace. As discussed, use of Cossack's gunnery and torpedoes are both steeped in challenges. One of the drawbacks of British torpedoes is their large detection range. While not quite on the same level as Japanese destroyer torpedoes, this does limit their effectiveness. Summary: The potency of her guns varies considerably based on the tier of the target she faces. Her gunnery performance is inconsistent. Her torpedoes are individually excellent but they're difficult to use, locked behind a higher skill wall. Cossack must present a lot of broadside to cycle her weapons which can make her unfortunately predictable. Evaluation: What it would have needed to be : Cossack never quite gets her act together to seriously contest the Japanese gunships for their primacy at this tier. Yeah, I'm as shocked as you are that Japan now dominates the destroyer firepower meta at tier VIII. I always thought it would have been the Soviets, but here we are. Defense Hit Points: 15,200hp Min Bow & Deck Armour: 19mm The Lolibote with a redundant name sure looks OP when you lay out the maximum effective hit point total of the tier VIII destroyers like this. However, making perfect use of all four charges of her Repair Party happens so seldom. Still, she's way tougher than Cossack. Cossack has nothing going for her in this category. She has a downright middling hit point total and no fun quirks to her armour profile. This is a destroyer where you will have to manage any gunfire trades carefully to preserve your health. Her DPM advantage is not so high that she can afford to simply slug away at an enemy lolibote and hope to come out the better. The Survivability Expert skill, which ups her to an even 18,000hp should be considered mandatory lest she fall behind the staying power of other gunships. Veterans who are familiar with the play style of Loyang and Benson will no doubt be able to relate to the need to properly spend their hit points when making gunship attacks. The difference between Cossack and these American-based gunships is her worse Smoke Generator performance which limits her ability to make escapes when things go pear shaped. Cause they will. Evaluation: What it would have needed to be : Cossack is in the bottom half of the vast tier VIII destroyer population. It's going to take a lot to move her up in rank -- namely another 5,000 hit points or a Repair Party consumable. Agility Top Speed: 36.0 knots Port Turning Radius: 610m Rudder Shift: 3.6s Maximum Turn Rate: 8.9º/s There's a lot to cover here. Let's hope I can put it in some semblance of good order without melting the brains of my readers. Your take away should be this: Cossack is far more agile than her in-port stats might otherwise indicate. She comes about quickly. She accelerates fast. She doesn't lose speed in a turn. Stay with me here, this graph isn't as scary as it looks. In purple, we have the sustained 4/4 speed of the tier VIII destroyers with their rudder hard over. This is how fast these destroyers can move while wiggling, dodging and coming about. In green is their nominal maximum speed -- for Cossack and Lightning, that's 36 knots. In blue, we have their engine boost speed. What makes Cossack so remarkable is that her maximum speed and turning speed pretty much overlap AND she access to an Engine Boost. This makes her a much harder target to hit, akin to a fast Soviet destroyer in terms of her forward momentum but with the added bonus that she can change her heading much more quickly. Cossack doesn't have the straight-line speed of some of her contemporaries. However, she's functionally faster than many of them. Like destroyers from the Royal Navy tech tree, Cossack preserves almost all of her speed while under manoeuvres. Most destroyers bleed off between 15% and 18% of their top speed while wiggling and dodging. Cossack loses less than 2%. In addition, Cossack comes about almost as nimbly as USS Sims -- one of the most agile mid-tier destroyers in the game, and at a higher sustained speed. For enemies trying to pick her off at range, Cossack presents the dual challenge of a ridiculously high top speed with an nimble target, giving the best traits of both American and Soviet lolibotes in a single package. It doesn't stop there. From a dead stop, Cossack accelerates as much as 25% faster than a similar destroyer equipped with Propulsion Modification 2. From a dead stop, Cossack is quick to get moving again, helping her avoid sudden threats like incoming torpedoes or being lit by Surveillance Radar. Cossack gets the best of both worlds when it comes to upgrades; she enjoys better acceleration than she would have receive with Propulsion Modification 2 and she gets the improved rudder shift time of Steering Gears Modification 2. Unlike other Royal Navy destroyers, Cossack gets all of this without sacrificing access to Engine Boost. Combined with a Sierra Mike signal, she can get her speed up to 40.8kts for these brief spells while keeping all of the aforementioned bonuses to her handling. While ships like Kiev and the upcoming Le Terrible can outpace her in a straight line, Cossack wins out in overall handling and flexibility in combat situations. She trivializes dodging incoming fire and dancing torpedo beats. Paper stats won't tell the whole story. If you looked at a combination of Cossack's top speed, turning radius and rudder shift time, she'd look deceptively mediocre. The engine power of the Royal Navy destroyers and their energy preservation means that they perform on an entirely different level from the other lolibotes, making Cossack far more nimble than her stats otherwise indicate. Her Engine Boost consumable adds even more flexibility than even Lightning can boast, making Cossack the most agile destroyer at her tier.[/caption] Summary Boosted acceleration. Little to no loss of speed in a turn. Cossack can rocket-butt with Engine Boost unlike other British DDs. Evaluation: What would have to happen to DOWNGRADE to : Loss of her Engine Boost consumable would be enough. This is a closely contested category at tier VIII with Lightning being hot on Cossack's heels with better rate of turn and a smaller turning radius. Anti-Aircraft Defense AA Battery Calibers: 40mm / 12.7mm AA Umbrella Ranges: 2.5km / 1.2km AA DPS per Aura: 12.9 / 4.2 Hahaha, no. Cossack has no large caliber AA guns to speak of. Even cursory HE damage is likely to strip her of all of her remaining defensive weapons. Enemy aircraft carriers should feel completely safe in having their planes loiter over Cossack and friendly carriers should abstain from dragging enemy aircraft near Cossack. She'll be of no help. ... except I did. Evaluation: What it would have needed to be : Cossack only barely ekes out the worst AA rating at tier VIII. Asashio is only marginally better with less DPS but more range. In theory, it wouldn't take much to nudge Cossack up the ladder, but don't ever assume this would make her evaluation passable here. Refrigerator Base Surface Detection Range: 6.97km Air Detection Range: 3.90km Minimum Surface Detection Range: 5.48km Detection Range when Firing from Smoke: 2.48km Main Battery Firing Range: 11.89km Detection Consumables: Smoke Generator / Hydroacoustic Search There's a whole lot of weirdness crammed into Cossack's refrigerator. She is currently the rated tier VIII destroyer in terms of stealth and detection, however this is a title she doesn't claim easily. There are three elements which define her concealment: her surface detection range, her Hydroacoustic Search and her Smoke Generator. Surface Detection Spotting distance delta (in meters) between HMS Cossack and the destroyers within her matchmaking spread when fully upgraded for concealment. This chart is restricted only to those destroyers within +/- 500m spread of Cossack's optimized stealth rating. Note that a distance of at least 200m is necessary to have a plausible chance of a reactionary advantage over an opponent and more is preferable. There are few destroyers that can challenge her concealment rating. Cossack is one of the stealthiest destroyers not only at her tier but also within her matchmaking spread. Only the Kagero-class sisters (Kagero, Asashio, Harekaze) have an improved stealth rating as low as 5.374km to Cossack's 5.476km. In open water with every other match-up, Cossack will detect enemies before she herself is seen. Generally speaking, when Cossack is top tier, she will dominate scouting. It's only when she faces tier IX opponents that things get harried, with detection ranges being close enough that Cossack is likely to trip over an enemy destroyer without enough time to react. Surveillance Radar, always the bane of destroyers (and gunship destroyers especially), is a very real and especially prevalent threat to Cossack's well being. When she's bottom tier, Cossack faces several ships with radar that meet or outstrip their surface detection range. There is very little counterplay she can exercise against ships armed with this consumable short of having advanced knowledge of their approximate location. Keep a wary eye on team rosters and behave accordingly. Hydroacoustic Search HMS Cossack comes with a Royal Navy Destroyer safety blanket -- her Hydroacoustic Search. In the radar-heavy environment in which she plays, this lacks the offensive utility found on HMCS Haida and it's largely reserved for simply sniffing out torpedoes. Still, it is possible for Cossack to unmask ships hiding within smoke screens while using her consumable, however she needs to get even closer than her Canadian counterpart to do it. This tactic is largely inadvisable given Cossack's difficulties in getting away once detected but it can be pulled off in a pinch, especially in late game scenarios where an enemy destroyer lacks support. Exploit that three minute duration -- she can outlast the longer ranged (and easier to use) consumables found on Loyang and German destroyers. Outside of these very specific instances, Cossack's Hydroacoustic Search is better used defensively -- giving her the time necessary to avoid incoming torpedo strikes. In most games, this will largely be its purpose. Vigilance is a helpful skill in this regard for team play purposes if you can afford it. Still, this consumable provides a degree of flexibility to the ship that expert players can exploit and to underestimate or dismiss it would be a mistake. Cossack belongs up on the front lines, projecting vision forward for her team and sniffing out early torpedo threats. Smoke Generator There's a big ol' "but" looming over Cossack's superior vision control. She may have great surface detection. She may have a very handy detection consumable that keeps her safe from torpedoes and can be used offensively in a pinch. Butt, her Smoke Generator stinks. Shackled to the same terrible smoke consumable as the British destroyers in the tech tree, Cossack is held back by its low emission and duration times. She doesn't make many smoke clouds for one. What smoke she does make doesn't last nearly long enough to be comfortable, undermining both Cossack's survivability and her ability to deal damage. When used offensively, Cossack can only park in smoke for 40 seconds at a time. With American battleships boasting up to 20s worth of immunity with their Damage Control Party, Cossack isn't going to seriously contest her opponent's ability to put out fires. This necessitates other tactics to get the most out of the potential damage output of her guns. Borrowing the smoke from another ship is one way such as in a division. She can also take a page from American cruiser and destroyer game play and use island cover to lob her shells at enemies that cannot see her but her lack of reach makes this difficult. Finally she can simply elect to fire from open water and risk trading her hit points. I would hardly call this ideal given her low hit point total. Defensively, her smoke is also found wanting. At top speed in a straight line, Cossack drops all of three (count 'em) smoke clouds. If you install the special upgrade, Smoke Generator Modification 1 you get one more puff. That's it -- hardly worth the coal investment. Cossack's consumable is not so much a smoke screen as a squid's ink-squirt. If Cossack has been firing her guns, she may not being able to create enough smoke to block line of sight to multiple opponents (which will make you wonder why you even bothered). Fortunately, if you cut your speed the moment you activate her consumable, Cossack will come to a stop inside the last cloud. Don't wait on the throttle though -- you need to be decelerating the moment you begin laying down your rings. At least Cossack's smoke reset timer isn't punitive. The delay between dissipating and the availability of her next charge can be as little as 20 seconds with the correct commander and signal combination. With up to seven charges available, Cossack simply needs to hold her fire for brief intervals before setting up for another round of shooting. Patience and careful planning can almost make up for all of her consumable's shortcomings. Closely Contested Cossack is an excellent scout. Few destroyers at tier VIII can sit as comfortably on the front lines, broadcasting back enemy positions for their team as Cossack can. In addition, her forward position helps protect her allies from long range torpedo salvos which become quite commonplace within her matchmaking. This isn't a safe place to be, however, and Cossack lacks reliable smoke from her toolkit to give her a sense of security. Cossack may be one of the stealthiest ships at her tier and one of the best destroyers for controlling vision for her team. However, this is very little room for error. Summary Great open water concealment. Hydroacoustic Search combined with her great acceleration and handling makes enemy torpedoes launched at range a non-threat. Her smoke smells like butts. At least she gets a lot of quick-reloading charges. Evaluation: What would have to happen to DOWNGRADE to : Top spot among the tier VIII destroyers is heavily contested. The Japanese torpedo ships have the best raw concealment values. Loyang has arguably the best combination of detection consumables though her surface detection is too big to take the crown. Cossack wins out on primacy despite the flaw of her Smoke Generator, but not without contention. Keeping Oskar from becoming a Sam Skills rated by their utility in descending order from purple, to blue, to green, to red. For the colourblind, they're also rated by hearts. Cossack's initial skill choices are fairly standard for a gunship. Start with Priority Target. Next take Last Stand at tier 2. Survivability Expert is optimal at tier 3. And finish off your 10th point with Concealment Expert. Basic Fire Training should be a must on anyone's list after that and Adrenaline Rush is also optimal. From there, spend your last four points as you will. Final Evaluation I'm not one to blame matchmaking. However, Cossack's fortunes are more firmly tied to matchmaking than many other ships I've played in recent memory. I think it's largely owing to how Cossack performs when she up-tiers. To be absolutely clear, Cossack is a beast when she's the top of the pile. There are very few opponents she cannot engage comfortably and it's only those vessels at her own tier which give her pause. However, Cossack doesn't feel anywhere near as comfortable when she has to go up against tier IX and X opponents. This isn't a problem unique to Cossack, but it is more pronounced in her case. Her guns have a very limited menu of appetizing targets when she faces same or higher tiered opponents. It's not that she can't deal damage when bottom tier, it's simply more of a challenge than for other destroyers. She reminds me very much of most tier V battleships, where they can feel like real powerhouses in those rare times that matchmaking favours them and victims otherwise. Your mileage in Cossack will vary based upon not only where your placed on the Matchmaking roster but what's on the enemy team. So long as she's facing enemy destroyers and cruisers with soft squishy bits she can pelt with her pew pews, you're going to have a great time regardless of her tier. If you suddenly find yourself facing down tier VIII+ American and German heavy cruisers, a heavy battleship lineup or Japanese ducky-destroyers, life's going to be a lot more difficult. Fortunately, Cossack still has a role when she can't be the big dog. When she's no longer able to deal direct damage easily, she excels at simply putting eyes on targets and pressuring cap circles. It's difficult to dislodge an RNDD that has setup shop around a given cap short of using concerted air power or a constant barrage of radiation from Surveillance Radar to drive them back. Cossack won't come out of said matches with much to show for it other than a win if everything goes right, unfortunately. I do like Cossack, but she doesn't inspire the same kind of awe her sister ship, Haida did for me. There's a lot to enjoy with this ship. Few feels as comfortable as she does when top tier and even in those uptiered matches, she can serve you well provided you meet the right opponents. However, in those games where there's nothing but hard targets, the pickings get mighty slim. I dunno why, but I'm a fan of Cossack's alternative camouflage. I wish it didn't cost 2,000 doubloons to make my ship look pretty, but oh well. Would I Recommend? Cossack was originally made available through the Royal Navy event which ran in the last quarter of 2018. Wargaming assigned her a cost of 50 Guineas with players able to earn up to 48 Guineas over three patches. It's not you -- the math doesn't add up. The assumption is that players will have to pay for the difference with a Guinea setting you back around $1 USD. Otherwise, players may acquire her for the equivalent cost of 9,600 doubloons + the price of a port slot. PVE Battles How well does the ship maintain profitability in Co-Op modes and how does she fare against bots? No. Cossack does alright in Operation Dynamo, but her contribution is very one-sided with being largely limited to engaging the torpedo boats. Her AA power is virtually non-existent. Co-Op isn't kind to gunship destroyers, particularly those with only modest hit point pools and limited torpedo options. Random Battle Grinding: This includes training captains, collecting free experience, earning credits and collecting signal flags from achievements. Yes with a butt. Cossack doesn't play much differently than the other Royal Navy destroyers and her skill choices overlap nicely (especially with captains for Icarus, Jervis, Jutland and Daring). The only issue is that earnings get a might bit slim of matchmaking doesn't love you. For Competitive Gaming: Competitive Gaming includes Ranked Battles and other skill-based tournaments. This also includes stat-padding. No. There are better choices, namely Loyang and Akizuki. For Collectors: If you enjoy ship history or possessing rare ships, this section is for you. Yes. Now you too can own a memento of the ship that predicated the early invasion of Norway! Slap on a Hotel Yankee signal, board some enemies and cause an international incident! For Fun Factor: Bottom line: Is the ship fun to play? Yes. While I'd rather play Haida, that's my own Canadian bias speaking. Cossack is a fun ship though be warned, she is a tier VIII destroyer. That comes with all of the hangups that tier VIII destroyers face. What's the Final Verdict? How would the ship rate on an Angry YouTuber scale of Garbage - Meh - Gud - Overpowered? GARBAGE- The boat is unbalanced, not fun to play and weak. The ship desperately needs some buffs or some quality of life changes. Mehbote - An average ship. Has strengths and weaknesses. Doesn't need buffs to be viable however she's not going to be considered optimal. Gudbote - A powerful ship, often one of the best ships at a given role within its tier. Usually considered optimal for a given task. OVERPOWERED - The boat is unbalanced and powerful. Typically she's either horrible to play against or she redefines the meta entirely In Closing Is it over? I think it's over! Cossack (and Haida) have been on books since January of 2018 -- that's over nine months of work that has gone into reviewing her and her sister ship with too many different versions between them. As you can imagine, there was a lot of information to keep track of with her performance changing so regularly. While I'm happy the two ships aren't terrible, I'm very (very) glad to be able to stop worrying about Cossack for a while. I want to thank my readers and fans who helped keep me sane over these months and an especially well deserved thanks to my Patrons on Patreon who helped keep me fed. I won't have to dig her out again until there's another tier VIII destroyer to review for a comparative study. But that won't happen for another ... Aww, sh-- ...! Appendix (1) Penetration data courtesy of Proships.ru (https://www.proships.ru) and World of Warships AP Calculator (https://mustanghx.github.io/ship_ap_calculator/).
  8. Today I am going to showcase my experience in the Tier 8 Royal Navy Destroyer, the Lightning. Overall a decent ship, but my experience in it was "something different" compaired to other ships I have played.
  9. Submarines are now implemented in the Halloween mission in the public test. If they come out in random battles in a future update, will destroyers be armed with depth charges and squid launchers? Maybe sonar to actually detect subs other than just torps? Firing at submarines from battleship and cruiser guns kinda sounds ridiculous and overkill.
  10. I love my gunboat DDs. I'm an average at best cruiser player, and only good in some BBs, but my happy place is filled with names like Clemson, Farragut, Z-52, Akizuki/Haragumo, Vampire, Fletcher, etc. I enjoy hunting DDs, controlling caps, spotting and vision control, and such, and I find it's my best way to contribute to wins. I like playing fast and aggressive but still having to be thoughtful about movement and positioning. I'm an average player overall, but in a gunboat DD I can carry games that I am not capable of carrying in other ships. So when it became evident that the RN line would be optimized for the fleet DD role, I was excited. So far....the results are mixed, but I am optimistic for the rest of the line. I won't unlock Lightning until Wednesday as I've completed all the container missions and didn't unlock her, but I've gotten some time with Acasta, Icarus, and Jervis. (Valkyrie looks like it will play similarly to Vampire with a bit more torp flexibility and emphasis, so I'll try her and Wakeful after launch as well.) Here's my impressions of Acasta, with Icarus and Jervis coming later tonight or tomorrow and the rest coming soon (I probably wont have much time to play next weekend so it will be a bit of time before I cover Lightning, Jutland, and Daring.) 'The Acasta Doing Business - Mid-Tier Meh "A lot like T-22, except even more boring and ineffectual" It was evident even before playing them that a lot of the British DDs would have reasonably high skill floors and would be 'better than sum of its parts' boats given the 'fleet DD' niche. Acasta is clearly a step in that evolutionary line, but in her case, sh's likely a 'grindwall' boat that most players will be glad to get out of. Even as someone with realistic expectations and who enjoys that playstyle, I didn't enjoy her. Full disclosure: I played 2 games in her and then sidelined her after unlocking Icarus mission. So maybe others make her work better after some more time, but I have played enough Gallant and enough other gunboat DDs to know Acasta wasn't for me. She's just aggressively meh. She doesn't excel in anything, but neither does T-61 and that's one of my favorite boats; she's just not good enough at enough things to make her fun. Her guns are meh, with a slow traverse and low dpm output making her vulnerable to USN DDs, and aside from the flexibility of her singlefire torps, her torps aren't anything to write home about. You can't launch from stealth except in ambush or at an approaching target. When the cards fall right, you can still devstrike anything easily with 8 torps on the same vector, or easily design your own spreads to improve odds of getting at least one hit. I have used this skill to great effect with my Gallant, but with 6km torps (and 6km stealth even at full-stealth build) I struggled to do so with Acasta. Good players will get some fantastic results out of these torps on occasion when they use single-fire perfectly, but it's going to be rare-ish and you're going to have to work harder to get good torp results than other DDs. Her guns are also a weakness. Like USN DDs, RN DDs have high shell arcs that necessitate engagements at closer ranges than Russian or (to a lesser extent) German DDs. But USN DDs just spank this boat 1v1 in a gunfight. She isn't even competitive with Clemson for cap control, much less Nicholas or Farragut. Her nimbleness helps her avoid torps but you wont dodge much gunfire at that range, and her RN smoke is even shorter because tier 5. Plus, the hydro later tiers get isnt present here. I've played a lot of Farragut and Clemson and know every trick in the book to use torps when you can't *quite* stealthtorp in most conditions, but the singlefire capability doesnt make up for the fairly weak torpedoes here, and her guns just aren't good enough to deal damage when you can't pull off ambushes, unlike the USN boats. This is a boat in which even experienced gunboaters will struggle to do damage on a consistent basis. She's nimble and accelerates quickly, she can use singlefire torps to torp entire smokescreens to flush or kill red DDs or to devstrike a BB from ambush, and she can spot and help kill DDs, but she doesn't beat ANYTHING 1v1 in a stand-up fight except a badly played IJN torpboat, and even then she doesn't have hydro for the extra cushion so her nimbleness is key to not eating torps. I think very good players can make her work very well, and I wouldn't be surprised to see her do well in the t5 ranked season in the hands of a good player. But she's going to uptier even more poorly than most tier 5 boats. She'll never be a popular boat; for one, the most OP dd for its tier is Kamikaze at tier 5, and although tier 5 is a fairly weak tier for gunboat DDs anyway, Acasta is just not equipped to excel in randoms with her toolkit. PROS: *Single-fire torps. Great for island ambushes of ships coming around a corner, strait/gap control, or torping smoke clouds when you're pretty sure a red DD is in there due to flexibility of torp spread design (can drop them all in a row or spread them out as you see fit. *Good acceleration and handling: RN DDs don't get speed boost, but they accelerate quick and hold speed in a turn. These aren't huge advantages, but they help you knife-fight other DDs and still avoid torps, and help get you out of trouble. *Decent stealth: You'll outspot Clemson and Farragut (Nicholas noses you out), outspot Gaede and Maass, and all Russian DDs. You get outspotted by IJN DDs but not by too much. And your smoke is great for breaking contact and vision control even though it sucks for offensive use. CONS: *Meh guns: the improved AP ricochet angles RN ships get doesn't seem to help much (although small sample size as I didn't play too much of her) and the low effective range (due to firing arcs), meh traverse, meh reload speed, and meh DPM mean you get your [edited]kicked by any other gunboat 1v1 assuming equally skilled players. *Situational torps: I'm used to not being able to stealthtorp; as I said, I play Clemson and Farragut often. But these torps are slowish, meh damage, and your torp range is identical to your concealment. Use them to torp smoke clouds, but don't count on racking up BB kills when they're not dumb enough to come around the corner of an island predictably enough for you to launch your torps in a line right at him. *No speed boost + low hp = low survivability: She's nimble, and her quick-reload smoke can help break contact, but if you overextend you're not going to find it easy to get back out. Her stealth is ok but she can still be outspotted by several common DDs at that tier, and she can't just boost out of trouble, so she can find herself getting focused down and her smoke is really the only thing that can buy time to bail. And once she is getting focused, she doesn't have the HP pool to last long. You've got to play smart; lone wolf deep-penetration tactics are a death wish in Acasta. *Tier 5 matchmaking: I personally enjoy the challenge of being bottom tier in most boats. However, aside from her stealth advantage over many tier 6 and 7 DDs, this is a boat that gets murdered at bottom tier. I think she'll surprise people in tier 5 ranked, but this boat is going to be terribad in randoms because she'll be bottom tier 40-50% of the time and she just doesnt have the toolkit to be effective at all. This is literally the worst t5 DD to be in a tier 7 match with. When you're uptiered, you'll jhave to work hard and play out of your mind doing all the little things to get your xp and contribute meaningfully, because you can't effectively engage anything but isolated and wounded targets and you will get pushed off caps easily. TL;DR: she fits perfectly in the niche Wargaming wanted RN DDs to fill, but in this tier, that niche just doesn't work. She's right up there with T-22 as an incredibly boring boat, and even when you find ways to win and contribute, you won't feel like you've done all that much even though you worked hard all game to do what little you did. But don't worry, Icarus is an improvement and Jervis is a strong boat, so just keep grinding. It'll be over soon. (My other reviews - British BBs: Conqueror/Lion Monarch KGV Queen Elizabeth French BBs: Overall Line Review German DDs: Flottentorpedoboot My Waifu)
  11. Hey Captains! I have a Discord Server dedicated to gaming. Our main game is World Of Warships, but we do play multiple other games, along with trying new games. We are looking for others to join our Discord, and if there is enough interest, we will be creating a clan. Our main goal is to enjoy the game, and not take life too seriously. We are a very small group of gamers who enjoy playing together. I will provide a link to the Discord server. ( https://discord.gg/GseFfQ You may also contact me through the Discord, or reply this thread with any questions. Thank you all!
  12. Commissar_Carl

    HE penetration of 4.5 inch guns

    I am confused as to the HE penetration on the two high tier DDs, Daring and Jutland. If I recall correctly both Notser and Flamu have stated that without IFHE thier guns are incapable of penning other top tier destroyers or the superstructure of larger ships. My question is why? The 4.5 inch guns are in metric 114 mm. With the 1/6 caliber ruler for HE pen, 114/6=19mm of HE pen... which is the same as the plating of all the DD's in their tier and the superstructure of any BB or CA. More than this, with IFHE the guns get a extra 25 percent, so 19/4= 4.75, and added to 19 is 23.75. That shouldn't be enough to cross any armor thresholds, and should make IFHE worthless for these ships as opposed to compulsatory. The only 2 reasons I can think of that this would not be the case are that A) I actually do not understand how HE pen works, or B) Wg is using the technically more accurate caliber of 4.45 inches for the shell, making 113mm so it is barely not enough. However, they advertise it as being 114mm in the dev blog. So, thoughts?
  13. Imperialist_Loli

    Vampire

    Long story short last year I missed out on the chance to get vampire with the way life was going and I was wondering if she might be available for purchase again this halloween? It'd be really neat to be able to get her. Is there any chance of this happening again?
  14. Since the start of the little RN ARC contest, I have received one (1, ONE, UNO) personal DD mission. I'm not sure why WoWS/WG would code it that way... one would "think" the thing would be to get a lot of players playing the ships so that, on the day they are taken back, people will grind their little hearts out to get 'em back. AFAIK or think I knew... when the tech tree kicks in, the special mission ships go away - is this correct? If it isn't then of course it would make complete sense to only issue one every 50 or hundred missions, right? I've received just the T5 splatsplat boat... what all have you guys received? tiafyc
  15. Just curious what everyone's experience has been so far. I'm grinding several tier 6 ships right now for lines I never played and nearly every game has 5 DDs per team.
  16. Khabarovsk Guide by Rannith About Me: I usually play Russian destroyer with the occasional Russian cruiser game from time to time. I have over 350 pvp battles, I average 1160 XP per game, with a destruction ratio of 1.6, and average about 53k damage in my X Khab. I have built this ship and her commander in many different ways and I would like to share with you guys what is working for me and what is not. Intro: Let us first understand that every pvp match is different. It is impossible to build a ship for every scenario you face in game. At some point in a game, you may need to do something that is outside the strength of the ship. Like capturing nodes in a battleship. It doesn't happen often but does happen. With that said, this guide is help the Khabarovsk in many scenarios do what she is designed to do as a destroyer, as well as having the offensive capabilities that is needed. Role: Generally the role of this ship is no different than any other destroyer. Your job is to spot the enemy force, capture nodes, and provide support by lighting fires, and using torps. Obviously she cannot stealth torp with 6km range. So they will need to be used in ambush situations. Her guns on the other hand, are very good. The size of this destroyer is very large and does not have the agility of other destroyers. The speed is there but the agility is not. She is one of the fastest destroyers in the game boasting superior armor for her class. For these reasons, many people ignore that she is a destroyer and build her up like a cruiser. They ignore concealment and go straight for damage and tanking the enemy rain with rudder shift upgrades, survivability perks, repair modules, and so on. From now on, I will refer this in the future as "Speed Tanking". You want to be able to at least compete at capturing nodes. Not neglecting your main role as a destroyer. She is a triangle. Why NOT to use Speed Tank: There are many reason why not to use this role and I will list them here. 1.) It hurts the team as a whole : When you are speed tanking and constantly firing your guns, you are typically not doing this while capturing nodes. If you are doing this while capturing, you will be very close to the enemy team and be an easy target. Most Khabs that speed tank stay outside the nodes neglecting them all together until they feel like they want to move in. This puts the trailing cruisers and battleships in a state of limbo about what to do next. This is when you can expect someone to start complaining. I have had people tear me up in chat without me saying a word all because I did not cap a node. Most people don't care you have bad concealment, they will see you as a destroyer that is not doing their job. On a side note... because of all this, my Karma rating drastically goes up and down. 2.) RNG as a weapon: Yes, your main method of dealing damage "lighting fires" is a random chance(RNG). I have had games where I hit 300 times with HE and only set 4 fires. Combine this with the fact that people use damage control mods, captain skills, repair modules and even signals to counter fire. It can often become frustrating just dealing damage to cruisers and battleships and leaves you wanting more. Yes, you can have games with 120-150k damage as a speed tank, but you can also have these kind of games without sacrificing your role. 3.) Not tanky enough: Many people believe that this is the hardest ship to hit in the game. While this is true to a certain extent, this is not %100 accurate. Do not forget that this is a very large destroyer and the closer you get to the enemy, becomes vastly easier for them to hit you. I would say the golden range for tanking gunfire is 12.5-13.5Km. At this range, many people will not even target you, giving you time to do your thing. If you find a ship other than a destroyer inside this range, you will be taking massive damage. Speed tanking gives you no room for error. You are constantly lit up on the map. Your position is constantly uploaded to the enemy. Because, you should be firing your guns most of the time. Even within the golden range, this is a Tier X match and many people are very good at the game and aim very well. Don't be surprised if one salvo takes half of your HP from 13km. 4.) Needs Signals: Typically, speed tank gunboats have a constant need for signals like Sierra Mike, Juliet Charlie, India Delta, India X-Ray, Victor Lima and so on. Below I will show you how to build the Khab and not have a dire need for any of these. Onward: Building the Khab: Now that I have told you what I don't recommend, let me share my secrets =] Commander Skills: 18 total (points) - (1) Priority Target: Protecting your HP should be a huge priority. This skill lets you see how many ships are targeting you, giving you a leg up on what to do next. This can mean life and death. - (1) Preventative Maintenance: We talked about roles and jobs a little bit. Think of this skill as a -%30 chance of your job becoming incapacitated. So this is huge. - (2) Last Stand: Humans are not perfect. Crap happens. You need this skill. - (3) Demolition Expert: More fire % means more damage = more stars = more creds etc. Use this skill to enhance what the Khab is good at. - (3) Vigilance: In tier X fights, torps are everywhere. Don't let one lucky torp ruin your match. As a large destroyer, this is a no brainer. - (4) Advanced Firing Training: As a Khab you don't have great torps. But the guns are very good. Help your Demolition Expert and superior guns by getting this skill. - (4) Concealment Expert: The Khab has very bad concealment and any help in this category is greatly needed. Consumables and Upgrades: - Smoke Generator: Use to hide yourself and rain down shells on the enemy team while undetected. Used to capture nodes and provide cover for allies. Used to hide yourself in bad situations like getting out-numbered or bombed from aircraft. - Main Armament Modification 1: You do not want to waste repair unless you are flooding or on fire. This upgrade helps make that happen. - Propulsion Modification 1: Protect your amazing speed by having an ace in your pocket. - Aiming System Modification 1: Take this upgrade for the -7% dispersion to help your shells and torp ambush accuracy. - Steering Gear Modification 2: Helps agility and evade gunfire since we cannot take Steering Mod 3 - Concealment System Modification 1: Absolutely must have upgrade. There is no getting around this. We need more concealment and it is right here. The +5% dispersion is nice and welcome on all destroyers. - Main Battery Modification 3: This is a no brainer. She is a gunboat. Usage: As you can see, what we have here is a very sneaky Khab, that is still able to dish out the pain. Having good concealment is huge. Not only will it protect you from the enemy but it will allow you to "go dark" more efficiently when you decide to stop shooting. This can also mean life and death. She is now much more capable of capturing nodes but still should be used in a support style role, following other destroyers when the opportunity allows. The kind of enjoyment you will get when you melt other destroyers will be awesome. It will almost be paralleled by the excitement you get when you rain down fire on your enemy from 10km away in smoke. She is a very dangerous destroyer now and with better concealment goes pretty much wherever she wants, allowing for a more successful torp ambush. And best of all...your teammates will not flame you. I hope you have enjoyed my guide on this awesome little ship! Take care, thanks for reading!
  17. Commissar_Carl

    360 degree turret rotation?

    With the new dev blog it was revealed that the x turret of Jervis, along with all the turrets of the lightning, Jutland, and Daring will be able to rotate 360 degrees. As far as balance goes I think this is great. But could these ships really do that? I know that in game the Haida (and I'd imagine Cossak) have 360 degree rotation on their B mounts, but Navweaps says that they have +160/-160 degrees of train. For that mount ( i think the mk XIX dual 120mm mount off the top of my head) was it able to rotate 360 but disabled fron firing in the deadzone, or could it just not rotate 360 degrees? Just want to see if anyone has answers on this.
  18. Hello! I thought this would be the appropriate place to show off my personal collection of relics and knick-knacks related to WW2 warships. I actually started this collection after getting into World of Warships, though I always loved naval combat from shows like Battle 360 or Dogfights. As we are all naval fans, I hope you guys enjoy some of these treasured mementos for ships long gone. If others have other naval treasures they would like to share, they can post it here as well. I'll update this thread with my own collection for the time being. If this topic is not appropriate, please contact me privately and I can work on shutting down this thread. Thanks!
  19. stardestroyer001

    The problem with Haida (and Cossack)

    I've been playing Haida since yesterday. She is definitely a difficult ship to play, let alone master. It is true that she is good at uprooting dumb DDs that sit in smoke, or overextend. She can even pull off AP shots on broadside cruisers at suicide range and get away with it. Torps are fast and deal great damage, I don't have any complaints about those. In some ways she is similar to Asashio: a hyperspecialized ship. Haida, like Asashio, is very good at killing one type of ship, but is nearly useless against other types. Haida's greatest issue is her health. If WG wants Haida's role to be a DD brawler, to pounce on DDs and kill them at close range, then she needs the stamina to do that. Quite often I found that as soon as I spotted a DD, I would be spotted in return, and a hail of gunfire would kill off half my health in the span of a few seconds. Haida's maneuverability (turn radius and acceleration) is poor, and thus it's difficult to evade well-aimed shots. Once Haida loses half her HP, she is unable to continue in her role as DD hunter. Her low ROF means that she is at a disadvantage when she is low health and facing a fast or high-health DD. Using the creeping smoke prevents sight of the enemy DD, and conversely if you choose to attack without smoke, you will probably lose on the DPM race. So you have to choose between max defense or max attack; there is no middle ground unless the enemy DD is dumb enough to sail in your extremely short hydro range. This is the problem with Haida. Once she takes a heavy blow, like a goose with a damaged wing, she is next to useless. Haida needs some form of extra survivability. More HP. Giving Haida more HP gives a larger buffer before she is neutralized. But, Haida already has a LOT of HP for a T7 DD, so I'm not sure how much more she would need. Limited heal. Giving Haida 1 (and only 1, not affected by SI or prem consumables) British heal to restore half her health would go a long way. Weak heal. Giving Haida a weak heal, say 20% for example, would improve her survivability. Haida is still vulnerable to being alpha striked, but she can continue in her role over the course of the battle. Improve Haida's maneuverability: better acceleration and turn radius. Improved concealment, so Haida doesn't get spotted on the approach to an enemy smoke. I'm not really a fan of this idea, but I'll mention it as a possibility. EDIT: Whoops, forgot about Cossack! I have only played against Cossack, but superficially it seems like they play similarly. Cossack also suffers from the HP problem. I faced one while playing my Gangut, played by none other than LWM. Blapped her for 16k damage from full health, leaving her with almost no health and was finished by my div mate shortly after. If Cossack is like Haida, she will need some kind of survivability buff too. These Tribal-class destroyers have thick hulls that encourage shells to score full pen damage.
  20. So I recently researched and purchased a T3 Tenryu cruiser and watched a couple of videos by Notser and UrPeaceKeeper. One of them (can't remember who), mentioned how this ship was like a DD with a citadel and that it could almost be played as a DD. So I decided to test this theory and upgraded the ship with the B Hull for 17, 700 HP and the Type 3 Mod 2 Gun Fire Control for a 12.4 km firing range. I added a Type 9 camo (because I had a lot of it) and took a 10 Pt Captain from reserve and placed him at the helm. I redistributed the skills for Priority Target, Expert Marksman, Demolition Expert and Concealment Expert. So my ship specs are: HP-17,700 Speed- 32 knots Firing Range - 12.4 Km Torps - 2x3 533 Mm w/7 Km range & 57 knots speed Turning Radius - 560 M 4 second Rudder Shift Detectability at Sea - 7.1 Km I've been running sea trials in Co-Op just to get the feel for running this ship out of detection range and if it was possible to stealth torp incoming enemy ships. Since most of the games have been with T2-T3 ships I haven't had to worry to much about detectability by air. Occasionally I did run into a T4 game with CVs and just changed my game play for Cruisers. It is possible to stealth torp as a DD, but you have to time the release of your torps at just the right moment to engage ships that will be crossing the torp range just before your fish get there. Most times I came into detectability range, but was already in a position to go back into stealth before fired upon. The style that I found the best was to play this ship as both DD and Cruiser in the same game. The fact that you have to expose much of you side to torp with this ship makes it hard to torp at close range, but I have been able to rush and torp a BB when its guns are pointed away from me and escape with only light damage from it's secondary guns. You will take damage playing DD style, but angling and maneuvering tactics can help mitigate how much. Not having smoke or engine boost makes it harder to play as a DD, but keeping out of range and running between islands can often hide you long enough to isolate that lone BB or CA to take them out. While it may not be expedient or even profitable to run the Tenryu this way, it is possible to do so and can be fun once you get the hang of it. I have played a 19 Random games with the ship and have found that most of the time CA style is more productive, but can shift to a DD style if the opportunity presents itself. Anyway, just thought I post my findings.
  21. So I have been grinding the new IJN Gunboat Destroyers and this is my second game in the Tier 9 Kitakaze. In this replay I showcase how to fight for the win and use my game knowledge to predict what the enemy is trying to do.
  22. Alright, so I've been leveling the Akizuki, the Farragut, and the Podvoisky. I'm wondering which T10 lollibote I should go for if I want to pursue an aggressive, gunboat-y role (as I'm a bit strapped for credits and time). I don't like using torpedoes and only rely on them when the enemy is <5km away, so I feel that I won't perform as well in hybrid DDs than I would in a pure gunboat. I like smoking up and setting ships on fire, as well as murdering enemy DDs in caps. I hear that the British DDs are good cap-contesters, but I want to know which T10 DD would suit me best. Thanks in advance!
  23. Hey the USS Mason DE-529 a World War II class Destroyer Escort is an Evarts class ship. My question is what would be the closes ship to her her in world of warships!
  24. This will be the guide I wish I read before embarking on a career as a destroyer driver. For simplicity I'm going to recommend that you use an Isokaze with a 10pt captain to learn how to use torpedos effectively. If you like guns then battleships or cruisers might be a better career path for you. {TL;DR:- CHOOSE ONE NATION AND ONE SHIP TYPE, GRIND IT UNTIL YOU HAVE A TIER 10 SHIP AND A 19PT CAPTAIN IN IT. Choosing one ship type means destroyers, OR cruisers, OR battleships. Jumping around will leave you inexpert at everything.} Setting Your Intent: This is the most vital part of this guide. The other more technical aspects of the game are well covered by other posts, but i'll review them quickly. My own intent is to a) Get at least one kill per battle; b) Win the battle: c) Survive the battle. All three of those things are measured in your statistics in your profile. Take a moment to read the team list and review your intent BEFORE EACH BATTLE. Hold Alt to see the team list. Have a look for overpowered ships, names you recognize, hydro or radar ships, Is it destroyer heavy/cruiser heavy and are there 4 carriers in the match ... this will vastly affect how you can approach the match. Rookies don't do this, smart players do. How to achieve it? 'Defend10' means that you must stay alive for 10 minutes, so that you become an epic free agent roaming freely across a landscape of confused, wounded, frightened battleships and perhaps no destroyers left; the carrier fighters have been shot down and it's position is known, nobody knows where you are or where you will appear next, in fact the whole map will have thinned down a lot by this point. At this point, your power DOUBLES. The cruisers that remain will likely have taken some damage; if they know where you might be, and if they are smart, they'll come looking for you. Don't be there. When you launch torpedos at this stage of the game, they are much less likely to hit freindlies. Opposing battleships will have no way to spot you, unless you make a mistake. If they have no destroyers and cruisers close by, you can let them spot you while you are working into a sure-fire range of around 4km or less. Too many winnable games are lost because a destroyer died in the first 3minutes, contesting a cap or some other pointless nonsense like trying to gun-duel because someone said so in a forum. There is an ancient fact of war; who-sees-whom first generally decides who is victorious. You want to have the following situation: You know where they all are, particularly the battleships. The cruisers are wounded, sunk or on the other side of the map. GreenTeam® has the advantage in destroyer numbers. You know where the battleships are and you plan to take them down one by one. They don't know where you are, they rightfully fear you and they're praying that you're a new player who doesn't know what to do. Your torp range is out to 7.0km, more if you account for the ship moving toward you or into the edge of your range circle. (Only potatos drive in a straight line for that long, yet it happens a lot.) Optionally you can sit in smoke and wait for the battleships to approach; they kinda have to run down the dd's at this stage since there is nobody left to gun you down. You can fire 3 torp volleys every 38seconds - yes that is a lot of torps. Fire two at the oncoming battleship, use the 3rd group as backup when he turns or passes you and presents his broadside. Cruisers are able to fire torpedos back at you and should be treated with extra caution at close range. When torpedos pass behind the target: It's likely because the battleship accelerated. The white guidance line only calculates using the current speed of the bb, so you must put your first torps long; 2nd group on the white line; and 3rd group can be held off a little bit while you wait to see how the battleship responds. However. The Isokaze will reload torps in 38 seconds - you can afford to spam them. Guns and gunship destroyers: which destroyer is the best gunship for gunning down enemy destroyers? Is it the US close range guns, the USSR longer range beast mode guns? A: None of them. Here's why; Let's say you're in Gaede and you gunfight with Akizuki. You do really well, and win the gunfight. How does that look? It looks like you still lost 50% of your hitpoints and the RedTeam® knew exactly where you where for 2 minutes or so, plus you risked receiving torpedos which would have ended you. When you see another destroyer up close, do the following sequence: 1. Decelerate and turn, creating a torpedo launching opportunity. Try to not be spotted at all, ever. Your torps can get you a kill per game consistently; your Tier 4 Japanese (read: little) guns can get you a kill every 10 games or so ... maybe. Being exposed for 20s after firing pathetic artillery is not worth it. 2. "F3 The Target" which means point your reticle at them and press f3 on the keyboard; let your team fire at the dd. 3. Fire up your smoke if you were seen. Point directly towards/away from the destroyer who may have launched torps at you. 4. Keep turning away from the dd, once you launched your torps; DO NOT EVER sit still, sideways on, in smoke. 5. Fire your torps at the dd on a wide spread, ahead of him or into the smoke. If they smoke up the white line will be misleading (because the ship will decelerate hard, to stay within it's smoke). 6. Go re-engage the enemy somewhere else; that ship and it's torps are coming after you. *Re-engaging the enemy somewhere else is called kiting. It can be extremely valuable and effective to use. Theory and Math: Your exposure is only 5.3km, that's about as low as it gets in this game. Your torp range is 7.0km which is excellent, although they are a little slow but still sufficient for the Tier 4 Tier 5 ships you'll be aiming for. This is the math you need to learn about every destroyer you operate. In this guide we are still talking about the Isokaze; In the hands of a good player it is pretty OVERPOWERED for this tier. I've seen bb drivers threaten to ragequit cos of "Torps out of Nowhere!!!!!!!!" Which brings me to my next point: Your main targets are battleships. Ideally, they are new to the game and think that staying close to Islands provides them with cover. World of Warships has a 'circle of life', like a "Paper, Scissors, Rock" scenario which operates like this: Battleships>Cruisers>Destroyers>Battleships. Battleship guns can melt cruisers, but are not accurate enough to target dds unless they're lucky and you are really close. They have no torps, their tank is a huge hitpool; but everyone can see them. Cruiser guns can target destroyers and will melt you fast. They can easily tolerate your gunfire and are nimble enough to try to dodge your torps - they have their own torpedos too, forgetting that fact will cost you your ship. Cruisers will come hunting you. Their tank is medium mobility and medium hitpool. Do not rely on them (friendlies) to fire on the destroyer you just F3'd, they will often be so far down the back that islands will be in the way of their line of sight and their dispersal will be epic, and don't forget 73seconds in the air can affect accuracy. Destroyers can only set the larger ships on fire; which actually does help wear them down over time as they use up their damage control consumable and then burn down. But focus on putting torpedos into battleships is your main game for now. Your tank is being invisible and very nimble. When escaping the enemy 'WASD hax' should be done with your acceleration boost on, cease firing so that your Concealment Expert (CE) kicks in, and plan your direction of escape - a nearby island can hide you or keep you in the open if you run into it. *The Concealment Expert skill brings your detection range down by 10% on any destroyer and with camo it's 5.3km which is why I emphasize using a 10pt captain. *"Bow tanking" battleships: It can be fun, if you like cheap thrills and GreenTeam® is looking at a safe win, to try driving right up to a battleship before launching torpedos at her. Get right in there and get it done, Captain! -They hate that- Carriers: UGH Just hope that yours are better than theirs. DO use smoke to hide from their planes; many CV players know what a serious risk a loose destroyer can be. YES they will send 3 torpedo bomber squads against you to eliminate the risk. Avoid the section of the map that they are focusing on; stay in the part of the map near your own CV since that is probably where all the GreenTeam® planes will be. Stay nearby to your own cruisers and bbs to be a part of the "AA Bubble". Bonus strategy against CV's:- Fire your HE shells at the deck until it ignites; their planes cannot take off or land while it's on fire. (Sinking the whole bloody thing is better of course.) DO ask your own CV politely for help in locating the red CV; he may not be able to, but you can still watch the minimap to see where the red planes are coming/going to. Potato's: Are everywhere. If the West side of map gets crushed and your CV is sitting in it's starting position, DO take a sec to double click him on the map and suggest he move to the East side, something to that effect. A note about destroyers; It is not the way to have an easy life. For instance an average match might have 2 destroyers and 5 cruisers each side - so your natural predator outnumbers you 2:1 in most games. CV's are worse as they spot you with planes, you've never got enough AA to deal with it and the CV can just keep sending planes after you. If an enemy dd gets through to the CV, you will be blamed. If you called F3 on it repeatedly, it won't matter. If you take the cap and die, you contributed to the loss; if you don't take the cap someone may shoot/ram you. Tier 1 to 5 can be fun, from tier 6 you have to keep all of your existing skills plus learn how to deal with radar and not die plus learn that your smoke might well do precisely nothing at all to help you. *To be fair, there's only about 3 or 4 radar ships per side per tier 8 match these days as it has settled down a little. If cruisers are in range of your location they won't necessarily be able to get a line on your target, or they may simply choose to keep firing at a battleship for 2minutes as they are 'farming damage' instead of helping you out, So that you can sink the bb and the next one and the next. An Atlanta on the RedTeam® will be an epic demi-Unicum from hell, your Atlanta will be the squishiest potato you ever saw. Many low Tier cruisers will never consider sitting back at medium gunnery range when instead, they can be driving in front of your torps, costing you a ship kill plus a teamkill penalty; cruisers with their own torps won't understand you complaining about them firing torpedos up your [edited]. It's a lot to think about. I recently sighted the RedTeam®'s Atlanta captain on shore leave: Firing from smoke: The following things happen after you launch smoke; Everyone sees the smoke. People shoot into the smoke. They fire torpedos into the smoke. Cruisers and destroyers drive into the smoke with Hydroacoustic search on, so that they can hunt you down. So, Use your smoke to LEAVE AN ENGAGEMENT or to Hide your teammates. But mainly smoke is there for you to be able to GTFO safely. That is the pro-tip. Consumables: Always upgrade them and set to purchase using silver not doubloons. Containers: Always choose the signals and flags; you can buy the other stuff with 'currency' in the game. Super Containers (SC) are too unreliable. Silver: is [edited] (I mean that it is not fungible, not exchangable for goods and services and therefore not currency) and can only be used for buying a couple of things, and almost everything you have is not sellable for silver. Doubloons: means spending money from RL to get free XP (FXP) and should only be used for upgrading your captain until one of them is 19pts; then he will generate FXP quite rapidly. FOCUS ON GETTING A CAPTAIN TO 19 POINTS. Making money in the game: is not the point. If you grind your destroyers up tier by tier you'll have enough silver for the next ship, including fitout. If you are short on silver then perhaps you are simply not doing enough damage to get paid. Survive each battle until the end, get at least one red ribbon. High tiers and large vessels seem to have more issues with silver, I haven't yet had an issue with it perhaps because I don't play battleships/cruisers much at all. Concentrating: If there are idiots in the chat channel use your CTRL+Mouse button to click on the chat box and turn off chat. If someone is spamming the function keys (you can't stop them) you can report them for misconduct in chat. AFK players can be reported but also remember; if some player (it'll be a cruiser) refuses to push and does not help the team at all; he can be reported for 'Unsporting Conduct' instead. If you still can't concentrate then turn off the radio or whatever is distracting you; or just get sufficient sleep to concentrate properly. YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PLAY SOMEONE ELSE'S GAME. Remember that if you have a superior grasp of strategy, then by definition he/she won't understand what you are doing. Reporting and Complimenting: (definitely worth it's own post.) I DO COMPLIMENT a player who gets 3 kills, even if he's a tool/[edited]/doughboy or anything else. I DO NOT usually report a player who has made a kill which helps the team. oh and the teamkill/teamdamage system is a joke so don't waste your energy on it. (A battleships shoots me with main guns. He turns pink. Ouch.) That system has multiple failures so it isn't worth much of your time. Spotting: happens automatically so you don't need to think about 'how do I spot", but a team player will be thinking "Where do I need to spot?" and it's fairly simple: put yourself in front of your team and in spotting range of the RedTeam®, such that your battleships have something to shoot at when you spot them. Taking Caps: Is a privilege you get for winning the game; winning the game means sinking enemy ships. The caps distract many players from their jobs so they get out of position, ignore the flanks, or sit in the 'B' cap in the centre of the map and imagine that the entire RedTeam® won't melt them down. This explains why so many teams are winning on points but then lose the battle; the opposition has spent it's time owning 3/4 of the map and can't be eliminated as they come around the corner in massive numbers; the team "defending the cap" is immobile, highly visible, and gave the RedTeam® a lot of time to choose the terms of engagement. The team with numbers can continue chasing down ship after ship; the caps will be taken accidentally as various ships run across the map to find new targets. In the picture below, Green team has sunk one more ship than RedTeam® and surrounds the enemy. Capping will be irrelevant in this battle. Taking the extra cap did not result in sinking an extra enemy ship, but the reverse may be true. Notice the upgraded consumables. Also notice the clock reads 6 minutes remaining - The Fubuki gets a nice position for a volley on the bb thanks to surviving well into the 2nd half of the match. GreenTeam® has more caps, RedTeam® has more ships. Which side would you like to be on. Team strategy: The 'Attacking/Aggressive Strategy':- an example of attacking strategy is, for example; Blob goes to A, a few go to B, and a spotter goes to C since that vessel may have landed close to C at the outset of the match. *But you wouldn't actually sail straight into that 2x2 grid square would you ... why give away your location for free? When it goes red, launch torps down it. If the other team also plays aggressively, you will have quite a battle on your hands. If you're lucky, they play the defensive strategy. An aggressive strategy usually includes having someone stay behind to watch the cap you already hold. This is very different from 'The Defensive Strategy'. The 'Defensive Strategy': There is no such thing. It's just a bunch of people sitting around waiting to be murdered. Allow me to labour the point: The defenders give away mobility. They don't support their own attacking players who went out to prosecute the RedTeam®. (It's rare to find all 12players on a team so stupid as to agree to this idea. ) They lose a couple flanking ships. They give away Intel in the form of their present location, with the result the aggressive team attacks when where and how they like, and each vessel can remain unseen until they fire the first volley. The bb's come around the corner together, and focus fire (aka focus down) one ship at a time. The opposing destroyers spot you before you spot them, simply because they choose to remain unseen and usually the 'defensive' destroyers get mown down by superior numbers. The defending team never, ever focuses fire on attacking ships coming around from both flanks or in numbers. Or, the West side of the map is lost and the defenders try to hold one cap, making certain that the aggressive team can choose the best angle of attack while remaining covered, wether covered by landscape or covered within the blob of 4, 5 or 6 ships. I have never seen this strategy work in any game. "Yo Cletus!" "Wut!" "There goes them thar cruiser out West!" "Cawl 'im back!" "Wha?" "We want thum thar RedTeam® ta know where ALL dem Green ships is!" If your team goes defensive you might be able to do a) Gain a kill but probably not b) Winning or c) Surviving. ***** THERES A TON OF STUFF I HAVEN'T COVERED. This guide is already too long. I haven't covered U.S. and USSR destroyer gunship strategy because I don't play that way, however many players do so and they do very well out of it. This is not that guide. ***** Use the following captain skills on Isokaze to obtain the numbers I have used: Bonus Material: Managing your winrate: Here is the excellent guide from LWM :- Getting 19pt captains, and why bother? Keep this link bookmarked once you get into a Tier 6 destroyer and write it down or memorize it (the section pertaining to radar). http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Consumables /surveillance radar. PS, Kronshtadt is missing from that list. Yes I learnt that the hard way. Revolution. Shibby.
  25. On USN destroyers Range: 9.5km Duration: 30 seconds On IJN destroyers Range: 11.5km Duration: 25 seconds Both nations Cooldown: 145s/125sec (prem) Charges: 3/4 (prem) Not found on any other ships Becomes available in its own slot starting at tier 8 (Benson, Akizuki, Kagero). Retroactively added to premium destroyers Harekaze, Asashio, Kidd, and Black (shares slot with Radar) When activated any battleship in range loses all rudder and throttle control for the duration. Throttle remains locked at its current form, while rudder centers itself. The ship is forced to travel in a straight line until the consumable effect ends or the battleship travels out of range. Any battleship traveling into the range of the consumable while it is active will also be affected. The only indications that it is occurring should be a small indicator near the speed/rudder dial indicating speed and rudder are unresponsive. This consumable should better balance destroyers vs battleships and enable skilled plays to take place. One could even say it's required, because currently a battleship has to make some pretty serious mistakes to actually be sunk by torpedoes.
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