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I skimmed a post about Wargaming doing an HQ transfer, and I know everyone is narrowed in on the political stuff but will there be tons of discounts soon to cover their movement costs? Fire sales on ships, doubloons, packs. I ask since many of the shop items are expensive, and I hope they don't raise their prices. I understand that the price is based on a willingness to pay and not the reasonability of the item's worth when it comes to the ships, but it was on my mind. I understand it is odd to be openly penny-pinching, but if no one is going to ask, I'll be the one to do it.

so with San Diego coming to wows we now have a total of four Atlantas in game ignoring Atlanta b and San Diego's stats are concerning. as it is basically a low tier austin a ship that is known to not be that good. to make San Diego more enjoyable it should get the same consumables as Atlanta and 3 second reload with a heal instead of the unlimited MBRB. that is all.

First of all I must say thanks for some of the changes, I whined/cried/complained about no attack vs subs on my Des Moines, well it worked out, it is fixed so thanks. I also like the birthday gifts I received today and am glad that I see changes being made that people actually wanted, I will admit I was skeptical when reading the long post about the company going to change back to listening to the community. Anyhow I will be looking forward to being a paying customer again, peace out all.

Hello World of Warships & Community. I had an idea for a 7th speed option to be added alongside Full, 3/4, 1/2, 1/4, Stop, & Full (reverse) and that is an escort speed. If you are in a division or just helping out an ally there is the difficulty of matching speeds whether it is to combine Anti-Aircraft fire, set Smoke Screens, concentrate firepower or just sail with a friend the faster ship has to constantly monitor its speed jumping between throttle selections to keep a steady pace with your division partner or teammate. With Escort Speed you can select that mode and the ship will match the speed of the ship closest to you that has a lower top speed than your ship, giving you a chance to take your focus off monitoring throttle and allow you to enjoy sailing with a ship in your own little taskforce. So you can arrive at a location at the same time, fight together and cover each other while there and travelling to that location. This can benefit Anti-Air defense, assisting ships not sailing ahead of the team to fast and over extending themselves, and if you're a little more historical: having a miniature taskforce. If we take example from Destroyers, Cruisers and Battleships from USA, Great Britain and Japan at tier VI, all those ships if you were to form a division and sail all under the same flag as some kind of miniature squadron, you cannot match speeds with any of the ships you're sailing with. USS New Mexico has a top speed of 18.5knots and even if the other American tier VIs (USS Farragut (36.5knots) & USS Pensacola (32.5knots))slow down to 1/2 throttle, it still is not a match for New Mexico so you have to bounce between throttle speeds, while NM just sails ahead full speed. Same goes for HMS Queen Elizabeth (22.3knots), HMS Icarus (35.5knots), & HMS Leander (32.5knots), and IJN Fuso (21.6knots), IJN Hatsuharu (36.5knots), IJN Fubuki (35.0knots) & IJN Aoba (35.0knots) or any ship at any tier. While some ships between different types can match speed (Fubuki/Aoba) or from the same type (Farragut/Hatsuharu) can match speed. A lot of ships do not match well with speeds even if they're the same type. The Escort ability could have all the ships actually go the same speed. The catch to escort speed is if the slow ship you're copying slows down or speeds up then escort will turn off and you would have to reactivate it so the game does not have to try and calculate speed change for 2 ships at once or if you and your division partner/teammate decide to split up. Escort Speed would also work and probably be quite handy in Operations. During escort mission like Raptor Rescue or Narai it is incredibly hard to keep pace with USS Raptor or the Transport ships. With Escort mode you just sail up to Raptor or a Transport ship, turn on escort speed and then sail through the mission while keeping close to the objective ships. The idea is crude and probably poorly portrayed here, but I have been wanting this concept for a long time. Thank you for hearing me out.

I've been playing CV's since Alpha, I've gone through the RTS, was there just before they changed out of RTS to the rework when there were very few of us still playing CV's due to all of the gimmicks and stripped abilities that were forced onto the class. I remember seeing players driven off of playing CV"s because of these simple "balances" that were tried, that drove people away, they were incremental, nothing all at once but by the time of the rework it had devastated the CV player base. Which I know is where some of the players anti-cv sentiment comes from back when the rework was first done. They were used to not seeing a CV but once in 10 games or so, then CV's were viable again. Player base got interested again, there were real changes like you weren't being reduced to a floating barge anymore barren of planes or any way to influence the match. So more people came back and played. The rebalancing started again because some folks weren't happy, so CV's started losing their damage potential, plane armor, added attack delays, spotting limits, the list continues on. Even here when you read about proposals for CV's there isn't anything positive for CV's it's more about limiting what CV's should be losing then what CV's should be gaining, to make them more fun and enjoyable, to keep their planes alive, better tricks and attacks for example. Why are we struck with our planes locked going straight ahead into enemy flak and losing a flight just because we dropped a torpedo attack? Letting us setup a sharp turn away would be a great thing. Things along this nature I hope wouldn't be that bad to code in? If the ability to manual fire comes in, can I get the ability to encircle the ship and drop from all angles, and all altitudes? There were always counters to counters, it was part of war to try to out think your enemy. Sadly some just want to have someone else punished for them to have fun without consequences. Instead of limiting on how fighters work as a consumable, they need to work better. Especially for trying to help our allies with the Dutch strikes, or helping screen the fleet. I say it's time to stop limiting what a CV can do and look for ways it can help the team as well. There are I'm sure many things we could think of that could be added to CV's or to the odd tier CV's that were supposed to be coming back? If they are still in the system, a bit of updating and addition for either support or just bring them back as limited CV's for a 2 cv game, 1 fleet and 1 CVL/CVE could be very viable. I mean if we can have 10 DD's per game, then 2 CV's shouldn't be an issue. Promote the teamwork for countering what is in the game, I've seen Hallands and Shimie's sailing together to cover each other in Randoms which is wonderful to see (sucks as a CV though ;) ) There is no reason why this couldn't be promoted and advantages given for sailing like this. As it is now, the over lapping flak is murder, it feels like there was a subtle tweak there. CV planes could use some love as well, they've been stripped of their armor on the USN side for their legendary and given bomb upgrades as long as they give up HP. Regen can be a achilleas heel, every CV skipper knows this, and no matter how many times some folks talk about unlimited planes, the regen cycle even maxed out, in a game with serious AAA in it. Will chew through planes like a herd of goats in a field. So let's bring back plane armor, Midway and FDR are supposed to have tough planes. I'm sure your numbers will tell you how many of x planes have been shot down by y. From this end though, since 10.3 it really seems that the planes have become a bit squishy. Which could be like I said the AA or the planes. If we are stuck with the 3 second delay in attack for some reason at least in that time allow the reticle to zoom in much faster then it does so there is some benefit for the CV as well. As I doubt (as much as I wish we could get our DMG back) that we will be able to get the damage reductions removed. Even though so much has been done to CV's since then. If we COULD get our damage reductions removed I would be thrilled to hear this. Though I could be just as happy not having another arbitrary gimmick added to my cv attacks. This is just a small list of everything that CV's have gone through. Most of it honestly for 1 class. So can we please start showing some serious love back for CV's before we run off the player base again with the incremental pile on that's been started on since the rework, and which has never been stopped being called for by a group of the same names ever since? It's easy at times to get caught up in the noise as it gets to loud to remember everything before that noise. So yeah CV's have been nerfed/balanced for YEARS, with very little that's been done to make them more fun. The KM line has recently been balanced, for example for damage ability. When's the last time a CV had serious damage buff? I would say this though. If all of these balances are needed, and are great, then apply them to all ships one month from now. Put it on the splash page of the log in screen! I'm sure no one would mind! That gut reaction and feeling that just ran through your mind and body is all the reason I'm saying it's time to stop please and start reversing this.

From a Reddit thread on the subject. Not touching the Flamu part. I thought the info was announced from a WG CIS stream and there were RU speakers aside from Flamu that confirmed this? This is a bit worrying considering the response on skill tweaks left things vague; shortly can mean anything from a few days to a few months.

I'm going to keep this one short and sweet: Over the time since the CV rework, and during all of the tweaks that have been made since, I've seen a lot of people say why they don't like CVs: Their high spotting potential, their ability to kill DDs quick in a game where Radar already does that, AA not being able to do much to deter their planes, and the large reserves for squadrons are some of the most common I've found, all of which I understand and see, even if it isn't to as great an extent as everyone else. What I rarely see, however, is people saying what precisely they think should be done to fix CVs aside from angry demands for them to be removed from the game or for them to be nerfed into absolute uselessness, even though both of those will almost certainly never happen because some people still play them, some people still enjoy playing them, and some people are still willing to give WG money to play them. As such, the question I pose is this: What do you want to see done to CVs to make them less frustrating to play against while still making sure those who do play them are able to compete, do damage, and help their team win? In all honesty I don't expect to get any sort of answers like what I'm hoping I will, but I don't care. I wanted to pose the question, now I have, and I stand by it. Who knows? Maybe someone with a bit of clout at WG will see this and get a few ideas. I look forward to seeing if anyone decides to share any ideas, but if you don't then it's like I said. I know I just kicked the hornet's nest, but still. I'll take all your downvotes and vitriol because I've done what I came here to do. Sincerely, 1Sherman.

Hello, I am a COD/CSGO player who plays this game on the side but recently has been playing it more out of necessity. coming from a competitive background I have seen a ton of problems with this game that makes it really non-competitive, for example: premium/special ships being allowed to play in ranked or clan battles. (why do some people get to play with premium ships in a comp setting and others playing tech tree ships?. THAT IS INHERENTLY UNCOMPETITVE) this one is only due to the polarizing nature of CVs. ( before the start of EVERY ranked season,CBs there should be voting by the player base of each region wherever they want CVs in that season) another one that really upsets me, when you remove a ship from the game i.e(benham,Missouri,) and now other ones like the Smolensk. NO player should have access to that ship if it gets removed. IF you're going to remove the smol, players should get a refund in the currency they used and should not have access to it anymore. OTHERWISE WHATS THE POINT OF REMOVING A SHIP????? STOP making ships in the game that polarize the community! things like the Smolensk should never exist when you see what the player base has to say about it. PLZ WG LISTEN TO THE PLAYERS, you people have jobs and get paid because of the player base.(and at least listen to the damn CCs)

Results may vary, I openly invite anyone to try it out and share there results of the changes... For both ships... I ditched the AA spec... Its not worth it for none of them for 0.9.2 Now, if you hate to be annoyed/harassed by planes, you can keep it but for this test I ditched it completely . The ATL has IFHE... The Flint Has Halsey and DE build... Both test results have at least 300 shell hit at a target that is tier 8 or above Depending on your play style (that is why I invite your results as well), Fleet make up, and map... Both offer a different experience... First off the Flint, DE non IFHE Next up, The Atlanta with IFHE... SUMMERY As much as I dont like the changes, it is what it is... In the FLINT game it felt like a real grind to achieve those 2 kills against the tier 9 BBs. If you manage to reach 400 hits, expect a %50 pen rate with IFHE, without IFHE %50 less. *again depends on your aiming skills, mine are questionable* Test it out yourself, see if you can duplicate what I tested... Remember it was only one match.. The consistency, is questionable... GL boys and girls

Since there are about XXXXXXXXX number of CV threads, I didn't see any that had reasonable changes in it, its like the pendulum has to be either all the way left or all the way right, there is no middle ground. That said, after some consulting and thought. I think the following changes might be more "reasonable" than most to the carrier class. 1. CV Patrol Fighters consumable no longer detect surface ships. (These guys are here frantically looking for enemy aircraft....and using it as a spotter is not the purpose of this consumable, nor was it upon its inception during the rework) 2. CV Patrol Fighters consumable area of influence increased from 3km to 6km. (Increases the patrol area of the fighters to increase their area of locking on to enemy squadrons) 3. CV Patrol Fighters/ Catapult Fighters consumable set up time reduced from 6s to 3s. (Upon activating these two consumables, they will be ready to lock onto a target in 3s instead of 6s from the time of activation) 4. CV Patrol Fighters/Catapult Fighters consumable lock on time reduced from 3s to 1s. (If the fighters are already ready, a enemy squadron will be locked on after remaining 1s within the area of influence) 5. CV Patrol Fighters/Catapult Fighters consumable speed increased to target +20%. (Once locked on, the Patrol/Catapult fighters will speed boost to the enemy target at +20% their normal cruising speed rather than their normal cruising speed, this means that they will intercept the enemy squadrons faster.) 6. Direction Center for Fighters Captain Skill changes from, +1 to number of fighters in your catapult fighter squadron to "-5% cooldown time of catapult fighter consumable, +25% activation time for catapult fighter consumable, and +5% kts when chasing a enemy squadron" (This means your fighter consumable will cooldown faster if taken, and fighters will travel +5%kts faster when locking onto a enemy squadron) 7. Mass AA Fire Captain Skill REMOVED. 8. Advanced Firing Training Captain Skill REMOVED. 9. Manual Fire Control for Secondary Armamanet REMOVED. 10. Auxiliary Armaments Advanced Fire Training Captain Skill ADDED: +20% Range to secondary armaments, +30% continuous damage to Prioritized Sector AA when activated, +2 Flak Bursts to Prioritized Sector AA when activated. (This combines secondaries and AA systems together making them more of a hybrid skill than a one or the other. This skill will help a broad range of ships by increasing their secondary range, continuous damage of AA and give extra flak bursts when activated. 11. Manual Fire Control of Auxiliary Armaments Captain Skill ADDED: -15% to secondary armament dispersion, 100% instantaneous damage to enemy aircraft upon sector prioritization in to tiers I-IV, -60% to secondary armament dispersion and -200% instantaneous damage to enemy aircraft upon sector prioritization to tiers V-X. (This skill works just like the original manual fire control for secondary armaments, except that it now also influences your priority sectors by allowing them to do burst damage to a sector when instructed by the player. The amount of instantaneous damage depends on the tier of ship.) 12. Destroyer's get a aerial concealment reduced, depending on ship, to between 2km and 3km. (This improves the chances of not being detected by a carrier's squadron)

O7 captains and WG Staff Personal opinion and point of view , Destroyers are one of the ships that have most impact in the game and thinking about the future with submarines coming too , the pressure and the things they have to do on each battle becomes too heavy , they have to spot for the team , capture key areas and future the job of hunt submarines and drop depth charges, and they have so little reward or recognition for their effort at the end of the match My opinion or suggestions with so many ships containing Radar and Hydroacoustics now days , destroyers shouldn't be detected if they are completely full stopped in smoke by Hydroacoustics and yes detected by radars regardless smoke or full stopped Also a total rework or change mechanics getting some more retribution at the end of the battle on team score , from xp by shooting down planes any ship, spotting and capturing areas regardless the damage , they can have low damage but they were spotting the enemy for the entire team and there's so little recognition from that from the games and teammates , same with battleships and potential damage they receive , instead playing as a team it makes the game more like a solo player game , ",Why risk my ship for capture or whatever if I won't get support from my team or I won't get recognized for that or "x" action" battleships sniping from max range when they are the ones should be front lines getting the heat for cruisers on the team deal damage to the enemy ships Just per say an example at the end of the battle , the battle report/team score 1 battleship got top scored because he dealt 30k damage and received 500k potential damage Other battleship got deal 2k damage was at the bottom of the list but he got potential damage received of 3.5million Destroyers the same they can capture key areas and spot for the team but it's so little recognized at the end of the battle under team score and again is the ship with one of most impact in the game by capturing,spotting,torpedo or set on fire, best ship for flank because concealment they will have even more job in future for hunting submarines

Been thinking about this for a while after I saw the the changes to Cruiser plating and IFHE. Namely I am curious about the following, consider it a bit of theorycrafting that I found interesting. Now, Mogami as most know is viable both with the stock 155mm and the 203mm main battery. So I'm wondering what will happen. Will Mogami retain 25mm extremities since it's "top" upgrade is over 200mm caliber? Will she get 16mm extremities since 155mm is pretty popular? Will her armor scheme change depending on which caliber guns you outfit her with? Will she maybe split as a CL and CA version, with each ship having a main battery of only one caliber? Am quite interested in seeing how this turns out, especially since Mogami is the only case of a cruiser where this unique situation occurs. In a sense Mogami is a Schrodingers cat, being a Light and Heavy cruiser at the same time.

Hello everyone I m an active player and I currently own most of the high tier battleships and cruisers in the game and I m a big fan of secondary armament. However, as everyone knows already, the secondaries are terribly underpowered, even if you invest a huge amount of resources, time and experiences ( module, flag, and 14-18points captain ), they still feel underwhelming to use. Personally, I would like to see a global, across the board secondary buff to all ships in the game, such as giving the effect of secondary mod 1 to all ship, and a change to the dispersion formula for secondary armaments. Of course, we need the buff their range. These are just my personal opinions and I would like to know what you guys all think of the current state of secondaries in World of Warships. . Edit: I think that there is one easy way to improve secondaries and make them feel a lot better to use: Simple make the secondaries shoot other targets when using Manual secondary, but the target not selected manual won't have the accuracy buff from the captain skill.

Fair warning/Disclaimer: This post is rather long, but it is so for a reason. This is a very important topic and nothing about the discussion about the problems around the proposed changes can be left out without properly portraying every failure and flaw in its current situation Although Giulio Cesare was arguably too strong at tier V, (Okt Rev, Texas, and the ARP Kongo clones were about the same level as her performance wise let's be honest, especially the ARP Clones since if we're to judge things based on other ships stats of the same tier the ARP ships global average stats are practically the same.) but that isn't exactly the fault of the GC directly, think about it: what's the main thing that makes the GC tend to perform better than her contemporaries? Her accuracy. GC by far has the best accuracy of all the other battleships at her tier, and for most of the tech tree BB's at her tier their accuracy is downright atrociously bad (looking at you Texas/New York, König, and Bretange). So of course If you're more likely to actually land more shells on target, even though they're smaller, you're going to be doing more damage as a result. Again this isn't at fault of the GC for most of the other TV BB's just being mediocre at best, if anything they should be getting some tweaks to bring them more in line with the rest. But that's just a fraction of what's wrong at Tier B currently, which I'm planning to make a post on later today covering that in-depth, this is on the TVI problems so I'll get back to that. There are currently a lucritave amount of issues with her being at tier VI. So let's start off with a simple one: None of her stats have been buffed, aside from a pointless armor buff (since every cruiser and destroyer you're going to be facing can pen your bow with IFHE anyway it doesn't matter. Plus the fact that even some of your new Tier VI counterparts like the Warspite, QE, and Bayern can just lol-pen your bow anyway it again means your armor doesn't matter, which is beyond infuriating for a ship that is supposed to rely on its armor.), and a slight HP increase nothing has been done to make her even be able to be mediocre at her tier at best. Tier VIII and VI carriers will be able to strike you with impunity, Notser has even shown off how over the course of being constantly hounded by a carrier he never shot own a single attack aircraft. That's a pretty damn big problem. Then there's the fact that although her armor's been "improved" it hasn't actually made it better, let alone be enough to withstand shots at tier VI like she used to at Tier V, since this is a whole new ballpark of ships to face. Since beforehand when you fought Tier VII BB's you actually had a chance of fighting back with your armor and guns if you played your cards right. But when facing Tier VIII BB's you have zero chance of even having so little as a hope of being capable of fighting back, since your gun caliber is so low for its tier (beating out the previous Champ Dunkerque with its 330mm guns with GC's 320mm guns), imcombination of its short range for its tier now (that even most cruisers at tier VI can outrage her now, let alone higher tier ones,) with the addition of the fact that your armor doesn't stand up like it used to against your highest tier possible opponents, as literally every single tier VIII BB will be able to just rip you apart no matter how you angle, as they all overmatch your bow, allowing them to do massive damage to you while you won't be able to do even moderate damage in return unless they're presenting practically a perfect broadside. Which isn't something that can be corrected to no longer make it the case without completely overhauling every other Tier VI BB, and at that point it'd make more sense to just leave her at tier V. Then there's the issue that the reload is now appalling given its new tier placement, given how ships like Dunkerque with its 2x4 330mm guns has a full 4 second faster reload, that's with 4 guns packed into two turrets and being 10mm larger yet still reloading faster than the GC. Then there's the Fuso: she has 6x2 356mm guns that reload in 28 seconds, while the GC has two less guns, again of a lower caliber, that still bafflingly manage to reload a full 2 seconds slower. Then there's the problem of her now having Tier VI MM, which not only is a far more aggressive MM tier than Tier V as you're far more likely to be bottom tier at tier VI than Tier V. Then there's the issue with that MM not being what those who bought the Giulio Cesare bought into: they bought a Tier V battleship because they wanted to play a battleship at tier V with that specific MM, if they wanted to play a BB at tier VI with tier VI MM they would have bought something else like the Warspite or Dunkerque. Which that same new MM placement also completely ruins the enjoyability of the ship due to you now running into so many tier VIII ships that are entirely designed around killing BB's: the Asashio (which I detest that monstrosity), the Akizuiki/HSF harakazae (with the Akizuiki gun turret hull) due to their ludicrous fire rates and being able to IFHE the entirety of the GC at tier VI, every single tier VI and VIII carrier (they can maul you but good luck shooting down a single plane), and again every Tier VIII BB can just lol-pen your bow and Godspeed trying to do anything to them in return unless they're broadside and even then you'll barely do any substantial damage to them. So unless you can make it not face Tier VIII's it will never be a comfortable fit at that tier like it was at Tier VI. Since it can't stand a chance of holding its ground like it could bottom tier at tier V like it would have to now at tier VI. Not to mention there's no role or job the Cesare can currently fill that another battleship doesn't do it massively better than the GC, which leads to there being no point to ever own or play her, as there's just a better ship for every role that does that job but better than the GC in its current state. Warspite does the accuracy and devastating salvo job better thanks to its 2.1 Sigma and 15" guns, that hit more often and hit harder Arizona also fills that same Accurate BB sniper role better as it is Dunkerque fills the same fast flanker role, but with a much faster reload, it is actually faster, and has all its guns in the front P E F already claims the Secondary/Brawler spot  The West V 1941 has better damage potential by far with the same reload speed.  There's just nothing it can do that any other Tier VI already does but better And this is without bringing up the issues of invalidating prior business agreements by changing a product in this manner after it was sold under the assertion that it would never be changed, nerfed, or made worse farther down the line. (Which wouldn't that technically be an invalidation of their previous EULA/TOS promises during the time it was being sold? As wasn't it advertised that it would never be tampered with later down the line?). That's not even mentioning the legal repercussions an action like this could entail, and am legitimately and rather unfortunately finding myself considering if they don't handle this properly. And finally to the argument of "Premium ships ahould be able to have their stats nerfed or made worse after their sold" I have this to say: alright, I'll take that moving forward from here on out only, but you still can't change those that have been already sold, as they were sold with the promise and contract that they wouldn't be changed or modified later down the line. As that's where I draw the line. Which is another reason every fiber of my being is against this change. In conclusion: what exactly am I wanting to happen? WG to cancel the move to teir VI and instead roll-back the buffs given to the GC over the period of time that she's been on sale, that way she's able to be toned down a notch, without it no longer being what people purchased to begin with. The buffs to her were unnecessary and were done after she was for sale, and would be enough of a change to make her no longer OP to the degree she's at; making the ones for the change happy as she's no longer as strong, and those that own her happy as they keep her at tier V, and not have her trashed by having to fight as a tier VI.

So on the launch kick with premium time and grinding for my Fiji, I've been swapping between Emerald/Leander and DoY on the downtime, and did research on it too. It can definitely be said, the ship is kind of a hotmess, though not to the degree of other premium ships. Rather, it has a case of strange identity. During testing it was tried as a no-heal battleship with DF and Hydro, but was changed. Aswell, she pays for her AA-suite and Hydro with increased reload from 25s to 29.5s and a slower rudder shift, and even has one heal less. This might not sound that big a deal, but with a ship that can be overmatched relatively easily and can't use all her artillery without showing total broadside, it's an important aspect. Oddly enough, neither Texas or Kii pay such heavy prices, and both of them represent incredible AA for the tier. Duke of York for whatever reason also received improved bounce angles on her AP, so the reasoning behind how she was designed after the original concept failed is beyond me. However, I have an idea for rebalancing the Duke of York and making more significant in her uniqueness, while still retaining some identity in common with other Royal Navy premiums. I bring the Belfast and Perth to the floor. Both are premium versions of their tech tree leadships, but they pay prices for certain advantages over them. Namely, these ships have access to HE, at the cost of the special RN AP that the TT versions have; Belfast also paying with her torpedoes (though she gains a consumable in return, like DoY). While they lost a special aspect given to the RN, they gained a far more utilitarian tool that is worth having. I would suggest the reverse for DoY however.....strip the ship of her Royal Navy HE. No 1/4-Pen rule. Bring her fire chance back in line with the other 14" guns (which ranges from around 25%-30%). Let her retain the special AP bounce angles over her sister KGV. In return for this aspect removal, grant the DoY her 25s reload, the extra heal charge and switch out the Hydro Acoustic Search with Defensive Fire to lean on her AA-Suite gimmick. Nothing else would really need to be changed. With these changes, DoY loses out on HE performance and ruddershift to the KGV. What she gains is more effective AP artillery, Impressive AA suite, and gain the Defensive Fire consumable that makes Hood capable of protecting itself from carriers. Major downsides? DoY would no longer be capable of punching uptiers with her HE, and her AP would only serve highly on cruisers and broadside battleships. The Royal Navy HE is a major part of what permits the design to function. This would majorly impact her performance. Major upsides? DoY's effective, not theoretical AP DPM will be much higher as the bounce angle change appears to have significant effect in my experience. She'll gain superior self-defense capability, making her more survivable against carriers. This itself isn't an outright buff, as carriers are not that present of a threat. In itself, it functions as the gimmick for what it is. Sometimes worthwhile, sometimes not. Anticipated argument: Some people like having the Hydrosearch, which is indentical to Fiji's. I can understand this to a degree....but it doesn't particularly fit the ship either. Bismarck's is a self-defense tool that works into her brawling strengths that is a self-encompassing ball of secondaries, hydro, turtleback, and fast reloading 380mm guns. DoY has a glacial ruddershift on top of bad turret angles that makes her terrible at fighting anywhere near ships where it might be useful. People have mentioned using it to push smokes and while I have done this, it's frankly insane. it'll surprise some DDs, but many will simply dump on the DoY quickly and the ruddershift will stall you from dodging, even if the hydro spots it from launch. As a defense tool to push into swamped areas, it functions for 1:30 and then you're free to be torped. No option for extended hydro either as far as I understand, but I could be wrong. It's of questionable use in my opinion, functioning mainly in questionable scenarios by way of questionable decisions. In this case, it can be made that one can choose and swap between Hydro and Defensive Fire on the same slot. Frankly though, it just makes the most sense to have a consumable that buffs your gimmick. So this is what it leads to. What would you prefer? A: DoY w/o RN HE shells, w/KGV reload, KGV Heal, DefensiveFire/Hydro consumable slot + AA-Suite (Don't forget the bounce angles) B: The DoY we have right now. Posted in this specific forum section for discussion. It is not a suggestion, yet.