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Slimeball91 posted a topic in General Game DiscussionAnother member was messaging me about the rework debate recently. In the course of the discussion he mentioned all the buffs DDs had received recently and how nothing will make DD players happy. He listed the BB AP nerf, radar nerf, air detection buff, and so on. I'm not surprised, we hear about these "buffs" all the time. When I told him these weren't actually buffs as DDs didn't get any perceivable increase to their performance, as per the data. He was less than impressed. Let's take a look at the what the numbers are. We'll start with the BB AP nerf that was supposed to be a massive buff to DDs (claims that DDs could now yolo BBs with no consequence). The data I'll be using is form the Maple Syrup stat site, and all data is for the NA server. I'll include a link at the end of this post. For those that don't already know Maple Syrup gathers data from the WoWs API, that is data WG makes publicly available. This data is straight from WG, and its 100% accurate. With that out of the way, let's get back to the BB AP nerf. When this change went live I checked the data and saw no increase in DD survival, or average damage. In fact, the first week the change went live DD stats dropped. That didn't make sense to me. I don't know if DDs just had a particularly bad week or if DDs had a really good week the week before. I decided to go back four weeks before and four weeks after the change to find the averages to remove the normal fluctuation in the data week to week. Now the data made more sense, DDs had received a buff after all, and the data showed it. Four Week Averages For High Tier DDs Before and After BB AP Nerf, High Tier (T7-T10) Survival Rate Damage Before Change 29.38% 36,732 After Change 29.53% 37,339 Difference +0.15 +607 Percentage Increase +0.5% +1.6% As you can see DDs did get a buff, technically speaking. So that's one half of one percent increase in survival, and a little over one and half percent increase in damage. I think it's fair to say DDs didn't actually get any buff at all. Okay, let's look at the data during the rework, not just for DDs, but all ships types. The data is in averages before and after the rework (The before data is an average for two weeks before the rework 1/19-1/26, the after numbers are an average from the start of the rework on to the latest data from Maple Syrup 2/9-4/27, the week the rework dropped had a split of before and after data so it was excluded from the averages). During this period there was the reworked CVs, radar changes, air detection buff and other nerfs to CVs to help DDs. Here are the numbers: Average Damage by Ship Type, High Tier (T7-T10) BB CA/CL CV DD Before Rework 63,554 52,589 67,725 37,731 After Rework 62,819 51,248 65,331 35,709 Change In % -1.16% -2.55% -3.53% -5.36% You can see all ships are averaging less damage. DDs have biggest drop. I wouldn't call it massive, but DDs already had the lowest average damage. Next, survival rates. Average Survival By Ship Type, High Tier (T7-T10) BB CA/CL CV DD Before Rework 34.53% 31.38% 66.78% 29.01% After Rework 33.84% 30.69% 72.90% 27.81% Change in % -2.01% -2.17% +9.17% -4.13% All ships except CVs have a lower survival rate. DDs have the biggest drop again. Place your bets now if you think this is going to be a trend. Average XP BY Ship Type, High Tier (T7-T10) BB CA/CL CV DD Before Rework 1437 1458 1430 1425 After Rework 1491 1502 1760 1424 Change in % +3.76% +3.07% +23.08% -0.01% All ships get an increase in XP, except DDs. Look at that increase for CVs. Average Games Played Per Week By Ship Type, High Tier (T7-T10) BB CA/CL CV DD Before Rework 401,368 363,032 16,942 264,596 After Rework 298,131 310,744 46,842 180,671 Change in % -25.72% -14.40% +176.48% -31.72% As we can see there is a disproportionate change in games played between the increase in CV play and decrease in all other ships, meaning, the decrease isn't only players playing CVs more now, its players playing less games. Now, I'm not making any claims about a drop in population outside the normal fluctuation throughout the year. The point is to show it is DDs that are disproportionately played less than the other surface ships. Its no surprise given the big changes in DD play in the CV heavy meta. The point of all of this isn't make it sound like its the end of the world for DDs, because it not. The point is to show all of the so-called "buffs" were only to prevent DD stats from dropping even farther. I hope this helps everyone to have a better understand of the numbers as move forward in our discussions. Good luck out there. Link to Maple Syrup site: http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/index.html For those that like pictures, line charts tracking the data.