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Mr_Secondaries posted a topic in General Game DiscussionBig’s Suggestions to Wargaming Developers Subject: Submarines and surface ship reactions to submarines. I’ve been a play tester on multiple parts of the game and want to continue seeing World of Warships thrive over the course of the years. I offered various suggestions to the RTS version of the carrier gameplay, as well as the rework 8.0+ carrier gameplay, and want to add to the list of suggestions to the submarine gameplay in the future. These are suggestions, not decrees or slated in stone comments. Please take them for what they are, and please be constructive in commenting on the subject and in response to these suggestions. 1. Submarine detection gameplay a. Currently, as per the work in progress gameplay, submarines are detected at various intervals by a series of “rings”. These rings indicate the approximate location of a submarine in the nearby area. As a surface ship enters the ring, the ring shrinks in size, and shifts to a new location, continuing this process until it centers above the submerged sub location. b. Outside of this, submarines are incredibly hard to detect when submerged, but relatively easy to spot when surfaced, both features I believe should stay in the game. However, this “ring” is a rather simple concept for what could be boiled down to a more, “skill based” concept. c. I would change the ring to become a “ping” system. Essentially a passive ability that all ships are equipped with, including submarines. This passive ability would work like the Radio Location skill, however it would only point towards a submarine when a submarine enters a certain distance to the ship. d. In a submarine, When “located” or “pinged” a submarine would receive a “pinged!” icon similar to that of the “located” warning. e. If in a surface ship, when you have “pinged” a enemy submarine, you should be warned that you have detected a submarine in the nearby area via a visual “Sub Detected!” warning sign, and a audio commentary, “Submarine on scope!” f. As a surface ship, a simple bar will appear on the screen, much like the visual representation of “Radio Location”. Where it indicates a slightly opaque bar with the word “Sub detected” in the center. This bar will track the center location of the enemy submarine model. As the surface ship gets closer to the enemy submarine, the bar will change colors from (white) “meaning far away” to (yellow) “close to you” to (red) “right below us!”. 2. In regard to depth charges. This should become a consumable that is usable by any surface ship equipped with it. a. Depth charging would act similar to how torpedoes are deployed in the game, by selection the X button, you switch to a depth charge view facing rearward of the ship. By taping the X button again, you can switch from a “narrow” deploy zone or a “wide” deploy zone. Mouse 1 to throw the depth charges. b. It should be noted that the number of depthcharges thrown is the same regardless if you choose a tight or wide spread. A wide spread allows a higher chance to hit the submarine, where as a tight spread has a higher chance to sink one if the player is confident they are able to strike the sub with a tight spread. c. Once the depth charges are thrown, the depth charges will begin launching for X seconds until the area is saturated. After that a cooldown timer of X seconds begins which will leave a surface ship unable to deploy more depth charges until the timer is completed. d. When depth charging is activated, the surface ship and submarine player will both visually see depth charges jettied from the sides and rear of the ship. e. Depending on the distance to the depth charge, a sub marine will take X amount of damage when they explode. f. Depth charges do not damage against surface ship, only submarines. If a surface ship is struck by depth charges, hits will count as “shattered” hits and have 0% fire chance, similar to how torpedoes striking objects while unarmed do no damage and break. g. If a submarine is hit, an auditory “thump” will be heard by the submarine and surface ship. h. A Surface ship should get an additional auditory notice of a successful hit by a voice line stating, “Depth charges hit the target!” i. A submarine that is hit by a depth charge will have a high chance of flooding. In the case of a submarine flooding, the submarine will visually have air bubbles erupting out of it from all sides, flashing red flood lights will pulse to visually indicate to close and far ships that the submarine is flooding. The submarine player will receive the same flooding screen animation as they do on a surface ship. In addition, if the submarine is submerged, a bubble trail will fizzle on the water surface to indicate the submarine’s location and that it is flooding underwater. 3. Ships that have Hydroacoustic will work as they currently do in game against submarines both submerged and surfaced. A Ship that activates its Hydroacoustic ability will visually see a submarine that is surfaced, but will see only a outline of the submarine when it is submerged which requires the player to have to determine orientation of the submarine to its current location in order to ascertain if it is moving towards it, away from it, or side to side of the hydroacoustic user. a. When a hydroacoustic system is over, the ship will have the normal passive “ping!” ability like any other ship. 4. Battleships and carriers will differentiate from any other ship in the game regarding submarine gameplay. Battleships unfortunately didn’t get much in the way of anti-submarine warfare during WW2. However that isn’t to say they didn’t have anything at all. My suggestion is that a battleship gets a alternative catapult plane called, “sub hunter”. When launched, the submarine hunter will automatically take off, and start flying low circles around the approximate area of the submarine. It will then drop anti-submarine bombs in the area for x amount of seconds before returning to the battleship. 5. Carriers had a lot of abilities to attack submarines, but to make things balanced, carriers should be given another type of squadron. It would be called the “sub hunter” squadron. This could compose of a wing size of X and they are armed with anti-submarine bombs. These bombs are dropped much like that of the Royal Navy Level Bombers. They saturate a small, precise area when dropped. The bombs however shatter against any surfaced ship, and produce 0% fire chance. However, against a submarine, they do a marginal amount of damage per bomb with a high flood/fire chance. This way, the bombs are kept to anti-submarine only and cannot be used for other purposes. This also forces the carrier player to either actively hunt the submarine, or not. A choice that they will have to make during the game. 6. There is a lot of commotion about the speed at which submarines travel in game, specifically underwater. I believe this is something that will be tweaked overtime to create balance between surface ship and submarine gameplay, but my initial suggestions are as follows. a. Submarines should travel slowly whenever at periscope depth. b. A submarine can lose the "Ping!" of a enemy ship if it is traveling at 1/2 speed or less. c. A submarine should get a special consumable called, "silent running", which allows a submarine to temporarily move at full speed without being detected by a "ping!" from a surface ship. This would last for 10-15s tops. d. A submarine could be given access to a engine boost ability, but only when it is on the surface. 7. Submarine versus submarine warfare is going to be a tricky element to tackle, which i believe Wargaming will solve. Initial thoughts on this are as follows. a. Submarines can engage eachother with torpedoes or with their main battery guns when surfaced. b. When on the surface, submarines can be struck by normal torpedoes and torpedoes fired from submarines on the surface. c. Submarines that are submerged can be struck by deep water torpedoes, or by torpedoes fired from submarines at submerged levels. Torpedoes fired by subs at this submerged depth cannot hit surface ships of any kind in order to maintain balance. d. A additional depth called, "deep dive" should be added, which allows a submarine to evade deep water and normal torpedoes, along with depth charges or sub hunter bombs, but consumes oxygen supplies at double the rate while remaining at this depth. E. When submerged, a sub has a limited oxygen supply timer. This gradually counts down to zero, where upon reaching zero, a submarine is forced to surface to regenerate oxygen and reset its timer. It would remain on the surface the same length of time it can stay underwater. I.e. if it has a 2min oxygen tank, to refill, it must remain on the surface for 2 mins.