Battleship_60

The sigma is already 2.0 and the dispersion is already better at 23.4km though. You want her to have Yamato legendary dispersion and 2.1 or 2.25 sigma with 25km range?

Yet GK and H-42 would have a different playstyle? GK and H-42 are only similar in appearance? GK does represent a Majority of the H class but GK being that shouldn't ruin the point of H-42 as I have her here. I made H-42 as different from GK so I would avoid the issue that the two would clash against eachother in a hypothetical playstyle. This is why H-42 has weaker armor and overall less survivability but give her the 48cm guns and the weaker AA with a stronger secondary battery. I wanted the two to have their own identity.

GK is based on the H class, not just H-42. Her armor is of H-44, her guns are of H-39/H-41, and her size is of H-42

You know I never thought I would see the day where this proposal now has actual potential. Although I don't know how to feel about Yashima coming.

The German fast battleship Kronprinz Of the Deutsche Kriegmarine’s Plan Z H Class Design Study ‘H-42’ Introduction Hello there, I am Battleship_60. This is my first ever real ship proposal so bear with me here. Okay, I am redoing this one as I felt the older brief proposal was unsatisfactory and left a lot of details out especially for a split tier 10 Battleship proposal. Now you may be thinking, why an H class BB and one that offers the 48cm guns? I made this to see what a unique flavor for the Germans could have been instead of GK. "Wouldn't she just power creep Yamato and GK?" no, as a matter of fact GK is a lot more tanky than H-42 with Yamato having nine guns while still being the most accurate BB at the moment. She offers 32mm overmatch and better agility at the price of armor, reload, AA, and HP while still being the same size of GK. Let's get started with it then! Brief Summary Kronprinz (Design H-42) is a German battleship that sacrifices the survivability of her counterpart Großer Kurfürst in exchange for improved main battery performance. To this end, she possesses 48cm L/50 guns: some of the most powerful weapons among those considered for the H class, outperforming most artillery in raw penetration characteristics and shell damage- though notably not Georgia or Ohio. She is accurate, with superior angles of fire to Großer Kurfürst to the detriment of all of her other ‘German’ traits. Summary Pros Cons Excellent artillery with 2.0 sigma. Lower hitpool than her Tier X counterpart. Superior agility to Großer Kurfürst. Weaker AA defenses. 6xII 15-cm secondary mountings, contrasting the 4xII found on Großer Kurfürst. A generally weaker armour scheme, especially in regards to the belt. Triple armour deck scheme, giving a combined thickness of 33cm. Eight-gun battleship, reducing hit probability. History of the Design H-42 On November 8, 1942, the appointment of Albert Speer as Reich Minister for Armaments and Supplies, as well as the transfer of some designers and engineers engaged in designing battleships to other urgent work, including the creation of new submarines, weakened the influence of the OKM Shipbuilding Division. As an intermediate link between the Speer and the fleet, the Commission on New Ship Projects was set up, headed by Admiral Karl Topp. His group had the task of coordinating the demands of the fleet with the material and production capabilities of the Reich, which Speer was now in charge of. It was this group that developed the latest German projects of the battleships H-42, H-43 and H-44. The shipbuilding department did not participate in these projects, its work having ended in August 1942 on the ‘H-41’ project. Soon after this, Hitler demanded that the naval command consider the possibility of building very large battleships. Without restrictions on the caliber of the guns and the displacement, it was possible to fulfill the following requirements: - Speed of about 30 knots; - Horizontal protection, sufficient against shells and bombs; - Bottom protection, sufficient against mines, especially under machinery and boilers; - Main caliber guns in the right balance with other characteristics of the project. The commission on projects of new ships in 1942-44 prepared several projects of battleships in the light of combat experience. Their characteristics were not discussed either with Admiral Raeder, nor with his successor, Admiral Karl Dönitz, or with those officers who were responsible for determining the combat characteristics of the projected ships. These people were solving more pressing problems, and they did not have time for an ephemeral program of building battleships, which required at least five years to be completed. The construction of all surface ships was stopped or postponed in favor of the construction of submarines. In these projects, the trend of continuous growth in size and displacement due to increased caliber, armor protection and expansion of the underwater protection system was striking. The increase in the caliber of the main guns and the increase in airborne danger forced the use of three armored decks (60 + 140 + 130 mm) instead of two on the ‘H-41’ (200 mm). It was assumed (and then confirmed by experiments) that the optimal thickness of hardened armor is 380-mm, and a large thickness (according to the principle of ‘equal protection,’ then adopted when designing battleships, that the thickness of its armor should protect against the same tools as it uses) not desirable because of the low probability of hitting the board at a long distance (and the distance of the battle increases with the increasing caliber of guns). One of the features of this project was that the lower armour belt extended further below the waterline than those of preceding battleships: this was done to protect against diving shells (undershoots), which inflicted significant damage on Bismarck during his battle with Hood and Prince of Wales in the Denmark Strait. German designers were aware of these damages due to reports from Bismarck, received after this battle. The maximum thickness of the horizontal armor (decks 140 and 130 mm) passed between the anti-torpedo bulkheads, and from them to the side plating the horizontal protection consisted of a 60-mm upper deck and a 150-mm bevel of the lower armored decks. By the end of 1944, the German designers had already realized that no protection could save the ship from the multi-ton ‘Tallboy’ earthquake bombs, which the British used to sink Tirpitz inside her fjord refuge. The most notable feature of these ships was their anti-torpedo defense system. The Germans correctly considered the torpedo the biggest danger for the battleships. Even more, they believed in the need for a reliable system of protection against them, receiving drawings of French battleships such as Richelieu. Powerful protection required a large hull (especially in beam), which raised the displacement of the ship. The H-42 project was notable for its multi-subsea double-bottom underwater protection and armored deck bevels, to which the upper edges of the anti-torpedo bulkheads were attached. Liquid fuel was placed in three separate tanks stretched vertically. Stats of H-42 Survivability HP: 94.5k Torpedo Belt: 38% Armor Protection Bow and Stern: 32mm with a fore end armor belt of 60mm plating near the waterline, a fore end belt of 150mm follows this 50mm plating. Deck: 32mm fore/aft end deck, midship deck being 60mm(Starting at Turret 2, extending under the superstructure, then ending at Turret 3. There are two additional decks under the 60mm weather deck, the first armored deck is 140mm with a 130mm citadel deck under Belt: 300mm at the same angle as GK with a 145mm upper belt. Citadel Arranged in a turtleback. A 150mm plating inclined at a 20 degree angle protects the citadel wall that is 45mm. This should allow for a strong citadel protection at medium to close range; at long range however, she would be able to be citadeled due to her 300mm belt or 145mm belt and the shell falling to the 150mm then hitting the 45mm citadel. Gunhouse protection Frontal plating: 450mm Side Plating : 260mm Rearplate: 360mm Upper Plating: 250mm Roof Plating: 200mm Barbette: 450mm HP for Turrets: 30,000 Artillery Large-calibre artillery is the battleship’s reason for being, and in this regard Kronprinz is no exception: she boasts eight accurate and powerful 48cm guns, opposing Großer Kurfürst’s twelve 406-mm or 42-cm rifles and matching up well against the 46cm artillery of the Yamato, as well as nearly equaling the 45.7-cm pieces of the Ohio. She trades away much of her performance in other areas to ensure that these guns function, and they don’t disappoint in that regard. Main Armament Characteristics Designation 48cm L/50 SK C/41 Dispersion Type German/Italian/French Sigma 2.0 Caliber 50 (24.128 m) Rate of Fire 1.875 RPM Reload Time 32 s Rotation Speed 4 deg/s 180 Degree Turn Time 45 seconds Firing Range 23.4 km Max. Dispersion 293 m HE Shell Spgr. L/4,6 Kz. (m.Hb) Maximum HE damage 6,900 Fire Chance 43% Initial HE Shell Velocity 800 m/s HE Shell Weight 1,700 kg HE Penetration 120 mm AP Shell 48cm Psgr. L/4,6 (m.Hb) Maximum AP Damage 16,000 Initial AP Shell Velocity 800 m/s AP Penetration Damage 5,280 AP Overpenetration Damage 1,600 AP overmatch 33.56 mm AP Shell Weight 1,700 kg Characteristics of the 48cm Psgr. L/4,6 (m.Hb) Range AP Penetration Shell Flight Time 5,000 m 900 mm 2.1 s 10,000 m 836 mm 5 s 15,000 m 776 mm 8 s 20,000 m 708 mm 11.22 s 23,400 m 663 mm 13.86 s Secondary Armament 6x2 15cm L/55 SK C/28 8x2 10.5cm L/65 SK C/33 Reload: 7.5 s 3.3 s Range: 7.7 km 7.7 km HE Damage: 1,700 1,200 HE Penetration: 37 mm 17.5 mm Initial Velocity: 875 m/s 900 m/s Fire Chance: 8.0% 5.0% Anti-Aircraft Armament Long Range AA Medium Range AA Short Range AA 8x2 10.5cm L/65 SK C/33 12x2 37mm L/83 SK C/30 10x4 20mm Flakvierling 38 Range: 4.5–3.5 km 3.5–2 km 2–0.1 km 5 flak bursts 9 bursts None Hit Probability: 75.0% 75.0% 70.0% Flak DPS: 1,260 1,060 0 Continuous DPS: 179 568 325 AA Reinforcement 25% 12s Shift Time Kronprinz possesses a relatively average maneuverability for her type and tier, which is still better than her half-sister Großer Kurfürst. Maneuverability Propulsion (SHP) 270,000 HP Speed 31 knots Turning Radius (4/4 power) 1,280m Rudder Shift 16.5 seconds Speed In Turn 24.3 knots Acceleration to flank 53 seconds Consumables Damage Control Party I/II: Action Time: 15s Reload Time: 120s/80s Unlimited Charges Repair Party I/II: HP per second: 472 Action Time: 28s Reload: 120s/80s # of consumable: 3 / 4 Fighter Plane I/II Action Time: 60s # of Fighters: 4 Action Radius: 3km Reload Time: 90s/130s # of consumables: 3 / 4 Or Spotter Plane I/II: Main Battery Firing Range: +20% Action Time: 100s Reload Time: 360s/240s # of Consumables: 3 / 4 Hydroacoustic Search I/III Action Time: 120s Ship Detection Range: 6km Torpedo Detection Range: 4km Charges: 2 / 3 Reload Time: 171s/114s Citations Thanks for Phoenix_Jr, LWM, SireneRacker, Strixkitty, Kingpin61, and Shikikaze for the assistance they gave for this proposal. Sirene for the wonderful info on the Project. Phoenix_Jr for aiding in the fabrication of the 48cm guns. LWM, StrixKitty, and Kingpin61 for aid in balancing Shikikaze for the help in formatting cause I’m a scrub.

This is what we wanted. Not a Monty with 4 twin 457s. Good read too!

Umm, because Colbert is a real ship that had the 127mm/54? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_cruiser_Colbert_(C611)

My thoughts are that the German Cruiser is the O-Class and the Japanese DD is Super Shima.

Noice. It's nice to see it gonna be honest and the transition of KGV being a KGV class to KGVI being a Dreadnought class

12.6km Alsace you will be missed

I don't see it..... Ummmmm >_>

I just want Kremlin cause she looks like a smol BB compared to those gun turrets.... Plus she looks nice in general...

(Hmm, I see the thread is still going strong.. Hello all!)

No don't Mario