General_WTSherman

Yes—but the select list is usually includes more ships with CV’s the list above will be pretty much all you see

I don’t think CVs are ready, and Edgecase explained it perfectly New epicenter and T10 are fine If CVs are included in ranked, the teams will be all Montana, Republique, Minotaur, DM, and wooster

Well thought out post—especially in assessing the problem coming from the importance of the spotting mechanic

Based on some previous posts you would appear to like the changes I have said I prefer this version over RTS, but that more balance changes are needed so I’m not sure we are polar opposites. based on what I see in game and on various polls, more than 51% are not happy with the current state of CV game play. i do think that the outcry could alter CV inclusion in ranked. The remaining balance changes will occur over time

What do you mean? I do listen to others, and see reactions in game. I’m actually explaining why i asked the original question—not exactly a straw man i know you like the changes but most people don’t seem to

Here’s the thing—you can have a que for just dd’s—people will go there—see space battles However, the no CV que would be overwhelmingly populated more than any of the other options you laid out the CVs are not balanced at the moment. it has worsened the meta for most people. I don’t have THE answer, but my point is the most aggressive people arguing in favor of CV’s as they stand, refuse to accept that the majority of the player base is not enjoying the current meta.

Again—you are behaving rudely and not reading—you are name calling—not me

I don’t expect removal—I just want balance. I actually think this version is more fun than RTS; the problems are: 1) launch was handled poorly—wasn’t ready for prime time; maybe they should have released it like space battles with similar rewards to collect data 2) player base unwilling to nerf aspects of the CV’s to balance the game better and being downright rude about differing views

You are still not reading

Again, read what i said

My preferred mode of DD play has always been to cap, smoke allied cruisers to nuke reds from stealth, and spot—the CV rework has made that less fun due to the constant presence of CVs. I have found that despite WASD hacks, I still get focused frequently by the CV as the DD can have an outsized role in winning. when I play a CV, my goal is to spot or bleed health from the DD’s and support my DD wIth fighters by cap early on. The ranged tank playstlye is what I associate most with the RU dd’s and certain cruiser lines my personal experience at getting dev struck via torps is usually if I made a mistake-commonly turning at a bad time the CV’s tend to punish good DD play as well as bad

This is a more reasonable discussion and I do agree with youhere. we probably would agree more than we disagree but there are limits to typing conversations I would say my biggest gripe has to do more with the change in meta with the CV rework and CV supporters blindly trying to ram their POV down everyone’s throats; I have found this faction of the player base to be particularly rude— I was initially pointing out the fallacy in the original statement which was quite absolutist having said that, some of the changes (especially the reduced full pen damage on DD’s) don’t make much sense. Cheers—

No name calling—said he ACTED like a jerk—big difference. Reading is OP

Straw man is completely appropriate—you were misrepresenting facts to make your argument because you can’t defeat the real point of contention—you created a false narrative about a BB casually charging in to delete the cruiser because it didn’t have torps The initial statement said no other counters—that absolute term would include other DD’s and you used a source besides your own anecdote? your rude name calling simply demonstrates your own feelings of inadequacy and lack of civility—shame you act like such a jerk whoops—you were rude but didn’t call names—reading is OP

Actually disagree with you here—yes there are trade offs for radar cruisers but they still counter the shima (and other dd’s Hard). The ru ca/cL have long range radars which light up the DD for the team and the us Ca/cL lines have a narrow window between spotting and radar ranges. Usually these ships aren’t in a position where a BB can just rush them to delete them—your argument here is a straw man. you had no discussion regarding the other DD’s that can effectively counter the shima.