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    It's hard to take CV feedback to the devs when...

    All of this, I agree with this. Its like a mashup of 2 incompatible games. Playing against CVs especially when playing DD becomes an exercise in frustration as you can't do what a DD is supposed to do. Managing your detection WAS a skill in a DD, as was obtaining information about the enemy teams positioning as any class. This is all nullified now by the CV. I don't understand how this has made it to full public release and the impact on the other classes of ship NOT just the fun factor for the CV does not seem to have been factored in. The CV promotes very passive gameplay which is exactly what is not needed in World of Warships. The surface ship game has it flaws but overall it is an enjoyable game with a high skill ceiling, add CVs and it just doesn't work. There might be a way to have CVs in the game but as far as I am concerned this is not it.
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    The Current State of DD vs. CV

    Just played a game in Daring, there is a Kidd in smoke 6km in front of me who doesn't know im there. I have checked the radar ships and all of them are just out of range, the Kidd has a rock as cover but if I can get round in front of it I can pre torp the gap he is in then rush in and hydro him and kill him and be out before his team even knows what is going on. Just as I am about to drop the torps I am CV spotted, now the Kidd can see me, the cruisers can see me and the CV can see me. The cruisers and CV can now attack me and I have absolutely no counterplay to this, I can fight the DD but having lost the element of surprise and now 5 vs 1 my chances of doing anything but minor damage to him are very slim. This is from trying to make a play to advance our team. What this teaches me is to sit back don't try and push or cap or be aggressive. Just sit back passively. The planes come in so quick there is no way to get back to safety or outrun them. The game I had before had no CVs, 90% of the chat were very pleased about this and my gameplay experience was much better. I actually had fun. Fun is indeed subjective, I can only report on my own experience. I refuse to play the Conquerer because I consider it broken and I feel the same about CVs. If there is no counterplay to something it is very frustrating. There should not be a class in a game where that class can attack a different class and pretty much be immune to it.
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    The Current State of DD vs. CV

    Well as much as there are many things I really like about this game and I have had some really fun times this recent meta change due to the CV rework is making the fun evaporate for me. I am going to take a break and play some other games and come back to this in a while, hopefully things will have been refined/balanced better by then. If not then it is just not the game for me anymore. It is a shame because I have a lot of time and money invested in the game but ultimately I don't decide which direction it goes in.
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    The Current State of DD vs. CV

    I am not lying,this is unnecessarily strong wording. The meta has changed. CVs were rare before so while yes they were a problem the problem occurred a lot less often, maybe one in ten games if that.. Now it is nearly every single game there is a CV and everything is spotted. I don't think CVs fit the game before or after the rework.
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    The Current State of DD vs. CV

    They also spot too much, in the first couple of minutes pretty much every ship has been spotted and everyone knows where everyone is. This hugely limits the tactical options, no surprise flanks, splitting into smalls groups, being smart and using islands etc any more. Getting information on enemy ship locations was part of the fun of the game, to me this feels like a huge dumbing down.
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    The Current State of DD vs. CV

    The point of a game is to have fun. Yes I may have tied up one of the CVs 3 squads of planes but that for me meant 20 mins of nearly always being detected and attacked by the CV. There is no counter play to this. I couldn't even get near the battle. This is not fun. I play games to have fun. For me the new CVs when they are used this way and they very often are remove all the fun from DD play. Technically I am occupying the CV, in reality the gameplay experience for me as a DD is awful.
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    The Current State of DD vs. CV

    The point of a game is to have fun. Yes I may have tied up one of the CVs 3 squads of planes but that for me meant 20 mins of nearly always being detected and attacked by the CV. There is no counter play to this. I couldn't even get near the battle. This is not fun. I play games to have fun. For me the new CVs when they are used this way and they very often are remove all the fun from DD play. Technically I am occupying the CV, in reality the gameplay experience for me as a DD is awful.
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    The Current State of DD vs. CV

    With my concealment Gearing build which also has the legendary concealment module on it I get spotted all the time by CVs, yes with my AA turned off. The low air detection range is still not preventing CVs spotting and then keeping DDs spotted for a considerable amount of time. I am not sure what the answer is, maybe yes have no interaction between DDs and planes. WG need to clarify exactly what their vision of how the game is supposed to work now regarding DDs and CVs spotting/harrasing them for entire games. This is not fun for a DD player and as far as I am concerned I now feel extremely limited in what I can do in a DD. The last game I was in a standard battle and tried to flank, despite having miles of open sea and nothing to indicate I was there the CV swept the area and found me (yes with AA off) then harrassed me most of the game until I had to run and hide next to a Yamato for the rest of the game because I had 1k HP. Now that may have been fun for the CV but it was a total waste of time for me. There is no counterplay, I could do nothing about this.
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    World of CVs

    I am spotted FAR more with the new CVs than I ever was before. I have my AA off except when I get plane spotted. If the cap is being capped isn't it pretty obvious a DD is on it? Then you just scout the cap and boom DD, oh now all the cruisers with guns that do half his HP can see him too. I don't want a stale game but this has made DD gameplay frustrating due to being spotted all the time and concealment being a DDs biggest strength.
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    The Current State of DD vs. CV

    It is not the issue of being shot at it is the issue of a game class built around concealment suddenly having that removed. The destroyers need concealment because of their low HP pool and weak armor, it is their weapon to stay alive. It was a real skill to use your concealment properly, now it is all pointless.
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    The Current State of DD vs. CV

    I just think as things stand CVs should not be able to see DDs or damage them at all. The planes are pretty much immune to the DD (with the very odd exception in T10) and can strike with impunity so I think it should be the same the other way around. There is no counterplay to a CV at the moment you just have to sail around being spotted hoping the planes go away soon and all the ships on the enemy team stop shooting you . Having no interaction between the two would solve this, the CVs could fight the ships which are more likely to be in groups (which is how AA is supposed to work and those ships CAN actually group up) and have proper AA. The DDs would be then free to spot other ships and cap as per before the CV rework. The numbers of DDs in high tier games is speaking for itself at the moment. This rework does not seem to have been thought through properly to me particularly regarding concealment and the impact on DDs.
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    World of CVs

    CVs remove concealment. This used to be a game with a high skill ceiling where as a DD you tried to use your concealment to cap, spot, flank etc. Now concelment is pretty much void as the CV can easily find you (for example if you are capping everyone in the game can see the DD is on the cap so the CV just needs to go there). If you try and flank or do anything strategic you get spotted and the enemy team know where you are immediately. The problem is not the CV doing damage it is that as a DD you are supposed to be up front, then the CV spots you and the 4 cruisers who you were using your conceal to hide from can all see you and shoot you. This ends up with the CV indirectly causing the death of the DD over and over. Concealment WAS a big part of this game and is baked into the game mechanics, with the new CVs they can pretty much keep you spotted the whole game which as a DD player completely removes any fun (this is a game, it is not supposed to be 20 mins of being annoyed) and makes it a frustrating experience where you feel you can't really do anything a DD is supposed to. The fact both teams ships positions are spotted from the start means you can't surprise the other team or try and set up a crossfire. To use an analogy its like a 10 year old kid with a drum kit, he is having a great time but everyone else in the street not so much. Think of the 10 year old as the CV player and every other class as the rest of the street.
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    Every CV game I play...

    Just played against a midway as a daring, he had me spotted for nearly the entire game and I died because of it. Once he knows where I am roughly he can just keep coming back over and over. I just wasted 15 minutes of my life essentially. How am I supposed to cap and spot if I have no stealth ever?
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    Removing DDs from the game?

    I am finding no trouble with radar, it is annoying sometimes but you can think around it normally. I am really struggling with CVs, in most games the aim is to cap to win. DDs usually cap. When capping it is obvious to everyone in the game that one DD or more are on the cap. Even with AA guns off and a spotting range of only 2.5km it still does not take long for the CV to find you as they know you are in the cap circle as this is made obvious. You can then either a) Stay in the cap and die to all the enemy cruisers and battleships and destroyers as you are probably the nearest target as you are in the cap, trying to rely on your stealth to not be seen b) Run away from the cap but still be spotted by the planes as you do so, thus losing any progress you have made on the cap and taking damage/possibly dying (repeat in endless loop) c) Smoke up and try and remain on the cap, this works sometimes but with planes overhead you have to stay in your smoke, as soon as you leave you will be spotted and as the whole enemy team know this anyone in range and with torps will torp your smoke. Games without CV are much more fun, you actually feel useful. I have noticed I am getting a lot more damage in games with no CV because I don't feel so trapped all the time. Being attacked by a CV is no problem, the damage seems fine it is the spotting I have a huge problem with.
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