The AP on the Orion is very good as well especially if you get the broad side of an enemy ship since British BB AP is less likely to get you over pens. This makes it extremely good against cruisers and BBs that angle a bit as the shell will detonate before it can bounce out of the ship. Even then the HE is powerful enough that I cant even tell you how many Tenryu's and other lightly armored cruisers that I have devastating striked only using HE with citadel hits. This is also helped by the fact that British HE seems extremely damaging even with out the fire against other BBs. The French on the other hand is a different story. while yes the guns are very accurate they only seem to do well against broadside ships. If you are going against an angled BB the low caliber guns will struggle and you lack the HE fire chance to set them on fire consistently like other nations. The other issue I have is that the French can not tank, every shell that hits you is going to pen even when angled unlike the other nations where you can at least hope to bounce the majority of shells fired at you while angled.That being said the french are very good against cruisers thanks to the fast shell travel times and accuracy. This is my personal experience with them.