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  1. Naval and Defense News (cont.)

    I think they could build the ships they need, but compared to other European countries, overall their shipbuilding industry is still in a bad state. No capacity to build very large ships for example, maybe much larger than 70,000 tons. They might be able to build a ship as big as a Yamato but in today's commercial shipping world, a Yamato would be a midget, and not being able to build huge ships is a big handicap. Croatia, one of the countries that was part of the former Soviet Union, has an annual production greater than the entire Russia. Vietnam, another small country which Russia sells warships to, also pounds out much higher annual tonnage, if not ship numbers, compared to the whole of Russia. Speaking of shipyards, this one came out from Dalian in December 2017. What's interesting is that on the right, are two Type 055 destroyers that are simultaneously under construction. Which is as you know, a 12,000 ton warship. The dock appears to have space to build two more, or four Type 055s simultaneously. In fact, to the left, there appears to be parts of two new ships that are being laid down, and my suspicion is two more Type 055s. If the ones on the right are launched, then floated out and moored on the pier for fitting, I think the other two on the left may be rolled to the right. The modules for the ships are on the upper part of the image, and the huge cranes to move them to the dock. You can see the superstructures for the two ships there. Speaking of the Type 055, I believe this award is for creation of the monster cold press machine that is used to make hull plates for it.
  2. Naval and Defense News (cont.)

    Navy to start construction in May of Flight III A. Burke destroyer. http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/navy-will-start-construction-may-high-tech-flight-iii-ddg-51-24112 Surface Navy boss steps down, in relation to the accidents. https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2018/01/18/surface-navy-boss-steps-down-turns-over-with-his-relief/ Philippine Navy gets a new head. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/961710/duterte-picks-empedrad-as-navy-flag-officer-in-command
  3. Naval and Defense News (cont.)

    This is while it was at dry dock. The ship is obviously at the bottom. Note to the top of the picture. Submarines. This is the same shipyard that was building these. These are all at the structures right next to the ship. So all the Boreis and Yasens are being built at the buildings next to where the Nakhimov is laying. The shipyard also makes and refurb Kilos, which is at the top of my first picture. This was a previous customer that was using that same spot. Indian carrier. After dry dock, its moved to this spot to complete its refitting. On top of all these, the Kirovs were never made at this shipyard, which is Sevmash at Archangelsk. They were built at a different shipyard, the Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg. I would say there is no lack of activity in the ship.
  4. Naval and Defense News (cont.)

    I don't think the Nakhimov is in a dry dock, it's likely moored in a dock or pier somewhere. Shipyards don't keep a dry dock occupied too long on something, since they need to be building commercial ships to fulfill contracts and earn money. The St. Petersburg shipyard complex does a lot more than just warships.
  5. Naval and Defense News (cont.)

    Fitting and building a ship are not mutually exclusive. When a ship is built, that means you only build it up to the hull and engines. Then the dry dock is filled up and the ship is launched into the water. You clear the dry dock for the next ship, and the launched ship is moored to a dock or pier which then begins the fitting process. Which means armaments, radars, etc,. As the equipment is installed, the floating ship is observed as it goes deeper down the water line, something that is important to document. In the meantime, the cleared dry dock is open for the next ship, in which pre-made modules loaded into the dry dock for assembly and welding. The modules are built separately in factories elsewhere. You can see from many of the pictures I've posted, like in the Chinese yards, where modules are sitting by, ships in the dock being assembled, ships in the pier that are being fitted and refitted. You can look at the Sovremenny thread and see the Chinese Sovs are being refitted. That refitting includes removing missile launchers and replacing them with VLS. So yeah, if a new ship is being built and occupying the dry dock, the ship being fitted or refitted is on a pier nearby, and on the yard, the modules of another ship are being gathered. The next picture puts the two ships above in their context.
  6. Naval and Defense News (cont.)

    The 9000 ton Project 21956 can replace the Slavas but the project remains still under consideration yet and hasn't been given a go approval. There is that other alternative and that is, refitting the Slavas. Kirovs are supposed to be replaced by the Lider class which appears to be way ambitious, and if the Kirovs get their refits, replacements are not needed soon. http://www.severnoe.com/en/news/publications/asian_def_february/ AOR of the antipiracy 28th Escort Fleet, pennant 889 of the Type 903, at a stopover in Salalah. New Bangladeshi antisubmarine corvettes finished by CSIC.
  7. Naval and Defense News (cont.)

    That destroyer I posted is Project 21956, designed by Severnoye Design Bureau. This is a 9000 ton project that looks to me far more feasible than the Project 23560. http://www.severnoe.com/en/news/publications/asian_def_february/ Some news for today. Liaoning didn't stay long in the South China Seas as it moves up the straits again, as Taiwan reported. Russia has started shipping its S-400 missile system to China. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-china-missiles/russia-starts-shipping-s-400-air-defense-missile-system-to-china-tass-cites-source-idUSKBN1F70MH
  8. Naval and Defense News (cont.)

    So that big ship next to the carrier in Dalian happens to be China's second barracks ship. Its virtually in effect, a cruise liner with some guns. (As a bonus info, the carrier's engines are lit up for the first time for testing.) http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2018-01/16/content_7910910.htm Yes, its armed with a tennis court.
  9. Naval and Defense News (cont.)

    I think only the big ships, the Kuznetsov, the Kirovs and the Slavas are going to get upgrades. The Sovremennys and Udaloys are not. I suspect the Chinese refit of their Sovremenny cost more and took longer than it should, could have bought a new 054A frigate instead. That's likely to deter the Russians from doing their own. Now in other news, East China Seas exercises are underway. 27th Escort Fleet, deployed for antipiracy missions, arrives at Tunisia for a 5 day visit. One ship class, the DDG 167 Shenzhen, now appears to in service after its extensive refit. The ship is deployed in the South China Seas, and this appears to be part of an amphibious exercise. A Type 071 LPD is in the background. Is Singapore the only city in the world to have its own submarine fleet?
  10. Naval and Defense News (cont.)

    The one in St. Petersburg is Severnaya Verf, which designed and made the Sovremenny, Adm. Gorshkov and Steregushchy classes. The one in the Black Sea is Yantar shipyards, which makes the Admiral Grigorovich frigates and the Buyan M class corvettes. Because of the geographical separation, no less the entire Europe separates the two shipyards, what one makes supplies one fleet, and the other makes supplies the other fleet. The Steregushchy's moving down from the Baltic to the Med, like they did recently is definitely there to test their operating capabilities in the Med, and maybe fire some Kalibr missiles at ISiS. These ships have also recently gone down as far as the Indian Ocean, which sort of begs the corvette moniker given to these ships. As for the Lider class, a detailed design also allows for a detailed study and review, as well as more precise costing. That would also give them a better view of the picture and decide to go through or not. One issue with the Russian Nay is that other than the old Slavas and Kirovs, they don't have any long range naval SAM. The Kirovs and Slavas are equipped with the naval S-300s. The Russian frigates are all equipped with medium range SAMs, the Grigorovich using Shtils, and the Gorshkov uses the 9M96 or S-350 family. 9M96 is more like the ESSM, but it has two longer versions, that extends the range to 60km and the other, up to 120km. This family uses active guidance, thus no ship board illuminators and are fire and forget. There is a huge question whether a Super Gorshkov would still use 9M96 Vitayez family (S-350) entirely or they will be fitted with the RIF-M (naval S-300) complex as well. The RIF-M itself seriously needs updating, as it is currently uses a single face engagement radar on a rotating mount, and needs to go to a four fixed faced layout that goes all 360 degrees around --- pretty much like what the Chinese have done with their naval HQ-9s, which are heavily derived from the S-300s. And now the Chinese is more than 10 years ahead of them in this development. As for the S-350, it does use a four fixed faced radar that can be set on top of the mast, so 360 degree coverage with the mast height helping to look down the horizon for sea skimmers. This concept destroyer uses RIF-M or the naval S-300. The RIF-M uses round shaped cold launched VLS as you can see here. The engagement radar for it is the large square flat one on top of the bridge which has to be turned around to face the threat. You can see the round VLS near the bow, which is for the RIF-M complex. Unfortunately its quite a bit daft to have only a large single fixed face radar for it, which means the ship has to turn bow turn to the aerial threat. The radar configurations would have to be wrong, as you would need four large fix faces for an entire 360 coverage. The top radars on the 3D model are likely to be search and track radars only which can happily provide data for active guided missiles like the S-350s whereas the "engagement" radar is a face that combines search, track and target illumination for semi-active and TVM guided missiles like the S-300s. When the Chinese made their first ship with VLS, they bought the naval RIF-M from the Russians. They have this issue with the single face. You can see the engagement radar on the back of the ship. This is the same radar to the first Lider concept on the above, albeit it would be likely updated by the 2020s into an AESA. One more thing I like to mention that leads to the inflationary sizes of the ships, including the Chinese Type 055 destroyer, is that these VLS cells can be quite big. S-300 missiles are at least 7m to 7.5m long so you will need the VLS to be 9m to include the compressed gas for cold launch. The diameter of the VLS cels can be up to .9m like with the UKSK, whereas the Mk. 41 is about .65m in diameter, 6.8m for Strike length and 7.7m for Tactical. The Chinese U-VLS is around .85m in diameter and up to 9m. So with the equal number of missiles, the missiles can be bigger, including supersonic ASMs and longer ranged cruise missiles, or the SAMs they can quad pack will have longer ranges than ESSMs potentially.
  11. Naval and Defense News (cont.)

    Ships from the Baltic Sea are not the same as those in the Black Sea. The Black Sea keeps the Buyan M class corvettes and the Admiral Grigorovich class frigates. The Baltic Sea has the Project 20380 class or Steregushchy class corvettes which can be argued to be in reality, light frigates. Those moving down from the Baltic Sea to the Med belongs to this class of ship, and it seems that the Russian Navy wants to test out the capabilities of this particular class of ship that might actually be the most important now for the Russian Navy. The Admiral Gorshkov class frigates are also stationed in the Baltic Sea as these like the Steregushchys are built in the Saint Petersburg shipyards. You know, World of Warships hometown.
  12. British Aircraft Carrier lines

    Its not going to work with Mk. 41s. So I don't know who the blog is quoting from. The space between the Sylver launchers looks like this. The Mk. 41 launcher comes in modules of 2 x 4 cels. That just won't fit. What may fit however, are Mk. 57 launchers. Each cel is .75m x 7m in length, and it comes in a 1 x 6 cel module. But its not produced in large numbers since its only used in the Zumwalt. Even if you do find the space, there is a question the ship would become more bow heavy and that can affect sea keeping. Plus there might be a reason for that gap between the Sylver launchers. It also has to assume there is still space underneath for 7m length cels. The strike length of the Mk. 41 is 6.8 meters. Assuming there is space for 7m cels for Sylver, you don't have to convert everyone to A70s. If the space underneath is uneven, that means some cels can be changed for 7m, but others cannot. You can make eight cels 7m and keep the remaining at 5m. At least the possibility of having 8 of the A50s converted to A70s might be enough, which would be an entire 2 x 4 module. The FREMM frigate is half half on A50s and A70s. As for using SCALP, that may not be what the RN uses, but its what the RAF uses. Addendum: Make the A50 to A70 conversions from 8 to 16, as eight VLS changes only means the new VLS is to one side which may unbalance the ship, so sixteen, with two 2 x 8 modules on both sides. That would be the cels closest the bridge and farthest away from the bow, to put the increased weight near the center.
  13. Naval and Defense News (cont.)

    Japan issues, then retracts, false missile warning. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/16/578283950/japan-also-sends-out-then-retracts-a-false-missile-warning
  14. Naval and Defense News (cont.)

    Cyprus Navy gets its first OPV. http://www.janes.com/article/77080/cyprus-boosts-maritime-capabilities-with-first-offshore-patrol-vessel
  15. British Aircraft Carrier lines

    Looking at this, I don't think so. There is no provision for any other VLS except for the Sylvers in the front. I would think however, that you can upgrade the Sylver A50 with its 5 meter length, to Sylver A70 with 7 meters depending how much space on the bottom. But that's a big IF, and with A70s you can't use LRASM. You can use SCALP but is a land attack cruise missile. As refits are expensive --- the other alternatives would be: Leave it at that, and put LRASM and future Tomahawks with ASM capabilities on Type 26 instead. Do the obvious and buy new antiship missiles. Replace Block I Harpoons with Block II Harpoons, latest block of Exocets or Kongsberg NSM. All these would fit using mere deck launchers.
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