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  1. Phoenix_jz

    The Italian CA line: its not them, its you.

    I mean, all I can do is repeat the same thing until I go blue in the face; SAP as a concept makes little sense for cruisers, since over-penetration is not an issue they needed to deal with HE is a fundamental part of cruiser utility and their ability to deal DoT, as is the vareity of their consumable role The entire 'flavor' of the line only works by setting the heavy cruisers at tiers below where they're best suited to as to compensate for the flavor, which otherwise makes them weaker versus how they'd perform given their normal characteristics WG's method of dealing with SAP as a shell is certainly tailored to cruisers, which id quite worrying, as this method of dealing with SAP will not translate to battleships well. 'Venezia' is a ridiculous design, but necessary because you'd need a ship with so many barrels to allow for the 'slow RoF high alpha' flavor. Again, the core issue for the RM line is this entire 'high alpha, low RoF' SAP flavor it is built around. Treating them as conventional cruisers and shifting everything from tier VII to IX up one tier would produced a far more comfortable line...
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    Naval and Defense News 2020

    Apologies for not having been present in the thread recently; I thought I'd jump in with some of the Mediterranean scuttlebutt. Italian naval-industrial policy is taking an interesting 'anti-Turkish' slant recently. Last week the frigate Virginio Fasan (F 591) made a stop in Cyprus,after Turkish incursions into Cypriot waters in sectors drilled by Italian and French energy companies. What is even more interesting, though, is the buzz over the last two weeks of Egypt, a country at odds with the Turks, and their interest in picking up two new FREMM - but not of the French version, of which they already operate one (Tahya Misr FFG-1001). Rather, they're hoping to buy two GP FREMM off the Italians, specifically the brand-new Spartaco Schergat (F 598) and Emilio Bianchi (F 589), for a price tag of some €1.2 billion euros ($1.3 billion USD. The order, however, would not be limited to this in the long term, as it seems the Egyptians would like to order an additional quartet of FREMM and 20 patrol boats similar to the Fajal 2-class (a type previously built by Fincantieri for the UAE, the latter of which they hope could be built in their own yards. The deal, with these included, is supposed to reach €9.05 billion euro ($9.8 billion USD). This is on top of talk of the purchase of 24 Eurofighter Typhoons over buying additional Rafale's, as well as 24 M-346 trainers and a satellite from Leonardo. This would be in addition to an existing sale of twenty AW149 to Egypt from Leonardo last year, which beat out the NH-90, and may be followed by an additional ten, since the original call was for 20+10 helicopters, many of which will be operated aboard the Mistral-class LHD's currently in service with the Egyptian navy. The two FREMM sold would be replaced by two new orders for FREMM by the MMI, though interestingly opinion seems to favor ASW variants being sold, which would change the original balance of FREMM orders by the MMI from 6x GP & 4x ASW to 4x GP & 6x ASW...
  3. It was certainly poor compared to American AA, and British AA by late war, but compared to anyone else? The Germans had better weapons and control available for heavy AA guns and the 20mm C/38 was better than the Breda 20mm - but the Breda 37mm was also vastly superior to the German 3.7cm/83 that dominated German AA defenses until 1944. Still, advantage generally German. French AA was outright inferior, both in guns available, and in fire control equipment. So was Japanese AA. The Soviets, for what they're worth mentioning, were developing their fire control systems based off what Italy provided them. Italy's AA was certainly well behind the largest navies (RN & USN), but were on even or better footing with pretty much anyone else. As for Roma vs Richelieu - I'd probably favor Roma due to the heavier firepower, more reliable guns, and the difficulty Richelieu's guns would have with her armor belt. Said belt was rated against Roma's own guns down to 16,000 meters, and the 381/50 M1934 punched harder than the 380/45 Mle 1935. Richelieu's protection is good, but it will struggle even at range to keep out 381mm Palla. Mouse pretty much hitting it on the head, as per usual. As frustrating as Roma is to play - and that's honestly my main gripe with her - she will put up the numbers. Almost every game I've hard with her, even as much as her guns will miss due to dispersion or overpen, I am still regularly getting some kind of hit in, and dealing regular damage somehow. She's a solid ship, but she just feels bad, because she's got so many things working against her when you want her to do something specific. She doesn't have the accuracy to take advantage of her excellent punching power, or the brawling ability to take advantage of her armor, speed, and firepower because of her tall citadel and weak secondary battery - she's a mess of conflicting characteristics and - oh, yes, pretty much any carrier will crapon you at will. As much as it grates me to say this, any buff to her will just push her into territory bordering on if not getting into the thick of being OP. She'd feel a million times better with any of these, but she'd also be ridiculously strong. It's honestly one of my concerns for the Italian BB line, and one of the reasons I messed around with putting her sister Impero at tier IX - though the class is very much inferior to many tier IX designs like, say, an Iowa, just due to the game mechanics this isn't really the case and tier IX is a distinct possibility if one actually played to the advantages of the design (ex, the trollish interior armor scheme, and the incredible stopping power of the belt as designed against most naval artillery). An accurate ship with her ballistics and punching power in combination with the possibility of SAP would be so lethal that you could probably get away with still 'just' having nine 381mm guns and a 30 second reload. That being said, a tier IX tech tree Littorio somehow has to distinguish herself from Roma, and that'll be difficult, especially with the B-hull, if WG wants to avoid making her a straight upgrade over Roma. Something will have to be nerfed. I would probably caution against making that judgement. @Sparviero can probably speak to this better than I since he's older than I and has been around in the naval circles for much longer - but Roma's degree of fame over her other sisters is, relatively speaking, a recent thing, and also more an Anglo-American thing, no doubt in great part due to how she was sunk and the near decade networks like the 'History Channel' spent salivating over German wunderwaffe. However, when it comes down to it, when the story of the Regia Marina in WWII is told, Roma's story is, while not quite a footnote, just one of many tragic tales of the armistice. She's not really more revered or more popular than her sisters - near the opposite, in popularity, actually, since Littorio and Vittorio Veneto are the ones who fought most of the war. Vittorio Veneto was the one doing the 'hard carry' after Taranto when she and Giulio Cesare were the only operational battleships available to the RM in the face of 3-4x their number in British capital ships in the Mediterranean. Littorio was the one who spearheaded the convoy breakthoughs in December 1941 and fought both Battles of Sirte, etc, etc. As I said above - I think we'll struggle to see any member of the class do well at tier VIII - there's just too much that has to be held back for them. That doesn't mean I think they're vastly superior to any other design at tier VIII - but due to game mechanics, it's hard to handle them (though, funnily enough, the Soviets seemed to think so. Though they evaluated their own Sovetsky Soyuz design as equal to a Bismarck-class, for some reason they calculated a single Littorio as worth ~1.3 Sovetsky Soyuz's!). An idea I had even before the Tier IX tech tree Impero (which, to be frank, I think is unlikely. The 45,000-ton 406mm BB UP.41 was derived from will definitely take the spot) was to use Vittorio Veneto as the Italian tier IX 'Freemium'. Use her in her 1943 appearance - yes, even though her AA would be extremely poor for tier IX, that's part of the balance - but give her much better dispersion than Roma, fix the firing arcs (for the aft main battery turret and the 152mm turrets - both are actually severely reduced in-game), give her SAP instead of HE, and fix the altered internal armor and exaggerated citadel volume; It's also worth noting that the barbette caps ought to be 200mm thick, but are only 50mm in-game, which I hadn't caught when she was first released but instead realized only last year. That, plus perhaps a more favorable interpretation of the main armor belt's effective thickness, could go a long way towards making it a potent tier IX, even with a relatively light armament and low health pool.
  4. Phoenix_jz

    List of all the 'Paper' Ships in game.

    You might be thinking of Stalingrad? 'Moskva' was a Projekt 66 cruiser, and was never even laid down.
  5. Phoenix_jz

    What if - Bismark had met Warspite and Valiant.

    Signals are pretty much always hard-set data, and even when they're flops are extremely important in historical reconstructions. I seriously doubt that the two cruisers signalling Bismarck and Eugen as something entirely different from what they actually were would have been left out of post-war reconstructions of the event, which has been done by numerous British and German organizations and authors, not to mention entirely foreign ones to anyone involved in the action (American, Italian, etc). Such a mis-identification would be of serious concern, since the British had fairly specific information about what ship the were hunting, and the appearance of another pair of ships entirely would bear some investigation even if unlikely. "History is written by the victors" is a tired line that doesn't have much relevance to WWII by this point. History is written by those with loud mouths and the energy to hit the typewriter right after the war. Recall the dominant version of the events on the eastern front is told by the losers - German generals controlled the narrative known to the Anglo-American world (and western world in general) for decades after WWII before access to Russian archives exposed how much self-glorifying [edited] they had pumped into the official histories of the front. Unless you have direct evidence to the contrary, "history is written by the victors" is not a valid argument to throw away any given fact.
  6. Such a rudder arrangement was also used on all the Italian dreadnought battleships (Dante Alighieri, Conte di Cavour-class, Caio Duilio-class, Francesco Caracciolo-class), and retained on those rebuilt in the 1930s.
  7. What the US public would find acceptable is irrelevant. The news of the loss of three heavy cruisers and an Allied heavy cruiser at Savo was top-secret for a long time afterwards. If the USN needed to keep information about losses down long enough to win the war, it absolutely could. This is what propaganda was for.
  8. Phoenix_jz

    Deutschland- class Cruisers. A design way ahead of its time?

    Hard disagree. Sverige differs greatly from the panzerschiffe in a number of ways - namely, a much larger emphasis on armor protection, much less of a focus on speed, and, of course, being designed for coastal operations. The German panzerschiffe are certainly not fast, but they are faster than the bulk of battleships in existence at the time, and were not exactly heavily armored - with a 200mm belt Sverige was very obviously to be mostly proof against any cruiser-caliber fire. Deutschland, on the other hand, is only really resistant to light cruiser fire - with an 80mm armor belt and deck armor only 20-30mm over the machinery spaces, it was plenty vulnerable to 203mm fire at most ranges everywhere except for the main battery, which had quite good protection. A coastal defense battleship that can be ripped apart by the guns arming the majority of new cruisers is a pretty terrible coastal defense battleship. Likewise, coastal defense is an odd feature for the ship... after all, a German coastal defense battleship should probably be designed to protect the German coast, and not, say, be designed to sortie from Kiel to defend the Argentine coast. The Sverige-class averages a range of around 3,000 nm at 14 knots. The Deutschland-class will do 9,000 to 10,000 nm at 20 knots, and 17,400 nm at 13 knots (and that's because they didn't do as well as expected - Deutschland herself was designed for 19,700 nm at 13 knots!). In fact, running at about Sverige's top speed of 22 knots, she could still steam for 7,900 nm. The Deutschland-class are very much cruisers. They may not be as fast as most other modern cruisers in a sprint, but they can steam for long ranges at greater speeds than most other cruisers, entirely unnecessary for a coastal defense ship of any type. They entirely lack the armor to belong to such a category - you can send heavy cruisers to shut them down, since their armor doesn't protect them from 203mm projectiles, and any modern battleships will absolutely crap on them without concern - 11" guns were threats to battleships in 1912, not so in 1929. I'll freely admit the 6" battery is awkward, but it's also common on contemporary 'raider' designs - and makes sense. 11" is overkill for most merchant ships, while 6" is perfectly adequate - and you have the space to fit it, with your heavy AA battery options being limited to 8.8cm guns at this point (which don't work as a DP armament, being too light).
  9. Phoenix_jz

    How Effective was Battlecruiser idea?

    Japanese propellant was still very volatile in this period, so they'd likely be just if not more explodey than the British battlecruisers.
  10. Phoenix_jz

    Naval and Defense News 2019 (con't)

    Happy New Year!
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    Naval and Defense News 2019 (con't)

    Spain picks the 127/64LW as the main gun for the F110 Bonifaz-class frigates; https://www.portaledifesa.it/index~phppag,3_id,3391.html Su-57 suffers a crash for the first time after a control system failure; https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/su-57-suffers-first-known-crash/135935.article
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    Naval and Defense News 2019 (con't)

    The S-400 sale really shouldn't be taken as a sign of increasing Russo-Turkish relations, imo. Turkey and Russia still have many frictions and their relations aren't the best. More likely than not, they consider themselves as opponents the world stage. That being said, the S-400 sale has taken advantage of Erdogan's frictions with the west and NATO - it is entirely in Russia's interests to drive Turkey away from NATO, and the sale has successfully done that, putting an additional split between the member state and the rest of the alliance. The Libyan situation is complicated as hell right now. Turkey certainly has a vested interest in making sure the GNA comes out on top, as it is very important to their plans to expand their power in the Mediterranean as a whole, and a friendly Libya is key to their plans for the joint expanded EEZ that directly violates Greek and Egyptian EEZ's; Dark Blue waters above are Turklish claims in EEZ's of other nations Tripoli will soon fall, and Haftar's LNA has almost claimed victory over the GNA - if the tide is to be reversed, it will require a radical action by one of the GNA's allies. Of those positioned to do something (US, Italy, Turkey), the former pair are unlikely to act as politicians look to upcoming elections but the latter is much more likely, and much of their recent foreign policy will hinge on if they do or not. However, that will mean a direct clash with Russian contractors, and would inevitably need to start blocking French weapon shipments to Haftar, which occasionally even come in on warships. It would also increase tensions with Egypt, who also backs Haftar, and would create a very difficult situation for the US, Italy, and Greece, especially as France's backing of Haftar only complicates things further.
  13. Phoenix_jz

    citadels with the Gorizia, HOW???

    SAP is not an ammunition type that will get you citadels. 203mm SAP will only penetrate 54mm of armor. Anything 55mm or thicker will reject the shell - which, at tiers V-IX (Gorizia's MM spread), means basically any cruiser's armor belt. The 203mm/53 M1927's AP is excellent - There are only three 203mm guns that outperform it in the game; the USN 8"/55 Mk.15 (Mk.14 only does so below 5 km), the RM 203mm/55 M1934, and Zao's physics-defying 203mm/55. It'll punch through 334mm of armor at 5,000 meters (289mm at a 30° angle), 243mm at 10,000 meters (210mm at 30°), and 178mm at 15,000 meters (154mm at 30°). The high penetration and excellent ballistic performance overall will help you greatly in landing citadels at most ranges, so In order to get the most out of Gorizia, you'll want to rely on the AP, reserving SAP mostly for destroyers, or against highly angles targets where AP won't work - otherwise, AP is almost always the better choice.
  14. Phoenix_jz

    Naval and Defense News 2019 (con't)

    Given the western government is the one recognized by the UN, it would be odd for NATO to intervene and destroy it. It doesn't help that NATO is split on it. Tripoli government is backed primarily by Italy and America out of the western powers, and in the Middle East primarily by the Qatari and Turkish - the latter by far the most active Allies. The Tobruk Government under Haftar is backed by France, Russia, Egypt, the UAE and Saudi Arabia. Their support has been more robust and direct than that of Tripoli's backers, which is why Tripoli is about to fall.
  15. Phoenix_jz

    Deutschland- class Cruisers. A design way ahead of its time?

    This also works lol. Especially since they're making 155mm Vulcano now...
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