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  1. British / UK Carriers Clases

    Well, if you can argue that Zeppelin was planned to carry 109s and 87s, you can argue Ark Royal was planned to carry Sea Hurricanes, Seafires, Martlets ... In fact, anything that could fit on her lifts during WW2 to Korea for that matter. As would have been the case if she hadn't been sunk. Just as Zeppelin would have carried her aircraft if she hadn't been abandoned.
  2. British / UK Carriers Clases

    Maybe as a Halloween challenge...
  3. The golden era of warships (picture thread)

    All these ships need are Martian War Machines stomping around in the background...
  4. FYI I did a quick compilation of info from a few books on my shelf about the RN's "Paper" heavy cruisers... including the HMS London rebuilds Mk2 (better deck armour). They weren't built because: a) Britain favored more hulls instead of heavier hulls to cover the expanse of its empire (thus Leander, Dido, Fiji) b) War started and the pressing urgency was to fight the battle of the atlantic against submarines, delaying or suspending many heavy warship projects. The heavy cruiser designs were largely pushed along by Churchill. He had a fascination for big guns. But he wasn't really a naval man ... as Gallipoli and many other instances clearly demonstrate.
  5. British / UK Carriers Clases

    The first carrier bearing the name Ark Royal was a seaplane carrier in WW1 The second is the World War II ship of Bismark and Force H fame. The third was an Audacious Class armoured carrier. The fourth was the 'thru-deck' harrier carrier. Ark Royal cutaway Ark Royal (R91 - the 1934 design) was built with Pacific operations against the Japanese in mind. As such, extended endurance operations were a prime consideration. She was completed with an upper operational hangar, and a lower maintenance hangar. A weird arrangement of lifts made it hard to get aircraft from the low hangar to the deck very fast. Her hangar aircraft capacity, as built, was about 70 aircraft. But her standard operational air group was intended to be about 54. That is the number munitions, fuel, pilot and hangar personnel accommodation was calculated for. All RN carriers that survived to 1943 were operating well above their pre-war 'standard' design capacity (calculated as the number that could be safely housed in the hangars away from heavy weather). Deck parks, hangar crowding and removing he aerodynamic 'round-downs' on the front and back of the flight deck boosted aircraft operated numbers by about 25-30pc by about 1944. HMS Eagle (Audacious class) was completed close to her 1945 configuration. The Illustrious/Implacable/Audacious armoured carriers were designed to primarily fight in the closed waters of the Mediterranean and North Sea, so were built under the assumption they would usually be within range of land-based bombers and rapid-deployed destroyer and cruiser squadrons. The single-hangar Illustrious went from 33 aircraft in her 'standard' load to 54-57. The hangar-and-a-half Implacable sub-class went from 54 aircraft in 'standard' load up to 81. This was achieved through deck parks and wartime condition crowding in the hangars.The hangar-and-a-half armoured carriers Implacable and Indefatigable were laid down in 1939, due for completion in 41/42. But their production was suspended by two years to allow manpower / armour / steel to be available for the urgent construction of cruisers and destroyers. It's a similar story for the Audacious class (the two ships completed eventually renamed Ark Royal and Eagle). Laid down in 42, work was suspended in 45. Britain was broke, with many of her cities and industrial centres heavily bombed. The double-hangar Audacious class was actually designed and laid-down about the same time as the Essex class carriers. But Britain was under siege (submarine and aircraft), and it was a constant struggle to allocate what resources that got through to the highest priority projects. They were designed for a standard air group of about 80 WW2-era aircraft, with wartime crowding and deck parks boosting this to about 100.
  6. I love these "UK didn't sink Bismark because she was scuttled" and the "US didn't sink the Japanese carriers at Midway because they were scuttled" arguments. Much mirth. It gets especially hilarious when you discover contradictory arguments applied by the same people on the different threads.
  7. British / UK Carriers Clases

    It's a very good documentary, thankyou
  8. British / UK Carriers Clases

    The definition of a dive bomber is an aircraft that is expected to dive at a steep enough angle for it to require a high-G pull-out which puts sufficient strain on the aircraft for it to need dedicated frame strengthening or aerodynamic mechanisms that can slow it sufficiently to survive. Any aircraft without these features can only glide-bomb, or risk structural failure. The Barracuda's frame was stressed for dive bombing. It had huge flaps intended for dive bombing. This all added to its weight - as it also had features intended for torpedo bombing and reconnaissance. Yes, the Barracuda was primarily a torpedo bomber. But it would have been a better torpedo bomber if it didn't have all the weight of its supplementary dive bombing features that made it a multi-role aircraft. The RN received its first Avengers in January 1943: They formed part of "USS Robin's" air group (HMS Victorious when she went to the Solomons to help USS Saratoga). Back in Europe the RN was trying to iron out the bugs on the Barracuda. But in 1944 when it was expected to operate in the heat of the tropics, its underpowered engine simply gave it too short a range and carrying capacity in the lighter hot air. So Avengers being used for ASW work on RN escort carriers were transferred to HMS Illustrious while she was working with USS Saratoga in the Indian Ocean. As the other RN fleet carriers came out, they brought with them Avengers instead of Barracudas. The US Avenger did not carry torpedoes in RN service. It could not carry the RN 18in weapon, and the RN did not have stocks of the USN lightweight torpedo.
  9. British / UK Carriers Clases

    I don't think the Roc ever went to sea other than in trials... It saw a few months conducting air defence patrols over Scapa Flow before being retired to become target tugs.
  10. Thank you to Wargaming for my Vampire.

    Agree: A fine ship, aptly tiered - proving that when you put the ship in the tier it belongs, it doesn't need gimmicks.
  11. this game needs more ocean map

    It certainly needs more naval components ... Give me moving icebergs Give me night combat Give me fog banks, rain squalls - true heavy weather (wave motion). Give me convoys, give me minefields, give me beachheads, give me kamikazes, give me high-altitude bombers, give me AI submarines ... Give me something to stop thinking of this game as World of Tanks on a lake...
  12. British / UK Carriers Clases

    Albacore retained a biplane configuration for heavy weather and night operations - as per RN doctrine (to hit the enemy fleet at night or when its aircraft weren't in the air - see 'Britain's Midway' - the Battle of Ceylon). The problem was its engine proved very unreliable. This and the rapidly evolving nature of the air war due to radar and engine development war left it both outclassed and underperforming. This lack of reliability saw the Swordfish outlast its successor, though the Swordfish was just so generally all-round useful despite its vulnerability it can accurately be regarded (post 1942) as the RN's first 'helicopter'... Barracuda is a tale of woes. Design requirements imposed an often contradictory set of requirements on the one airframe. Dive bomber Torpedo bomber Reconnaisance Thus the ungainly high-wing configuration (so observers had a better view below the aircraft to spot enemy ships). This made the aircraft heavier due to the need for bigger and strong undercarriage gear... Then the Battle of Britain emergency (when work was suspended on all aircraft other than a few meant work on the Barracuda was delayed). This emergency also saw the engine the Barracuda was being designed for, the Exe Borialis, cancelled. So it had to make do with Merlins - which were underpowered for its weight. A series of fatal dive bombing failures (where the aircraft just went into the sea/ground) was a mystery, until a mechanic crawling over a wing noticed rivets had been popped along key panels.
  13. I have her. Yeah, she's pretty solid as she doesn't rely on gimmicks to lift her into a tier waaaay above her baseline ability. Unlike a new premium cruiser I could name...
  14. Implications of a British heavy cruiser line

    I created a multi-post thread detailing the studies a while back
  15. Huang He We must not BUY IT-BOYCOTT

    If Konigsberg can be T5, if Kirov can be T5, so can HMS Aurora / Huang He There is no way Aurora / Huang He can be compared to the other ships at T6 No matter what thick coating of gimmicks Wargaming give it. This is irreconcilable: - The ship has a small hull - The ship has just six 6in barrels, and a limited torp armament The only possible reason to make it T6 is to justify a marketing department imposed gold price.