I have a little over 1000 battles in subs. They are quite the challenge to play which is why I enjoy them. For those of you who refuse to try them, they are harder than you think. Most of the time ships I encounter can avoid my torps, homing or not. It's the ships that refuse to turn or they chase me (from a distance) that I end up destroying. I have been rammed, shot at, and had horrible comments from my team members. Been told several times it's a ship for brainless people. Well, if you refuse to try it, you should maybe hold your comments until you do so you can see that subs are not easy.