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Can I have a refund for Ohio?
MnemonScarlet replied to ArIskandir's topic in General Game Discussion
That's why I don't get her. Geo is higher skill floor (and ceiling), when I want to play something like that I have Geo who will at least entertain me. Ohio is just pointlessly blandly strong, with a low floor so more BB players can enjoy themselves. If I want a strong basic BB Yamato is right there...and she will also ruin the Ohios. -
I have her set up as a secondary ship (I know, the horror!!!), and did very well with her before subs. I don't play randoms anymore so I have no clue how she would do now. Kiddo likes her though.
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You weren't meant to take this post so seriously. First, ArIskandir has been single-handedly trying to save the forum from going the way of the Dodo. He's just throwing out his thoughts for discussion. The rant format is (mostly) just for flavor, not meant to be taken too seriously. Second. The Ohio is overrated, and most don't want to acknowledge that, and many just believe the hype because they don't know any better.
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Message read. This topic has been "fun & engaging" in more ways than one.
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The odds of me playing 100 more matches on her are almost null, too boring a playstyle to my taste. But I agree is a low skill floor ship.
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It's Co-Op, so the value of Radar isn't there like it is with PVP where Radar is a really big deal. The bots are charging to us in Co-Op, and even Destroyers are spamming their guns giving away their positions. I will say DM + Hydro is still useful in Co-Op. I don't need competent teammates to do well with my ships. If anything, I prefer fewer players on my Co-Op teams. I do a lot of late night Co-Op where I see a lot of low pop games. There's also the reality that if you do get a low pop game, Battleships are ideal for it. They can wade into multiple ships, secondaries and main batteries going, and win no problem due to their durability. It gets trickier for Destroyers because they're so dependent on torpedoes and that can have long reloads. Can't do any mistakes with their low HP pool. Cruisers, even Des Moines, have staying power issues. While they have way more HP than Destroyers, unlike DDs, they got Citadels. And if you're having to deal with multiple BBs coming in together, it's going to be harder. Especially so if those BBs' guns Overmatch you, and at Tier X where Des Moines resides, that's a lot of BBs that do so.
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Yeah, I trusted you guys!!! That's what stings the worst!!! ... falling like a naive fool Honestly I don't know what I expected, totally my bad... maybe a more tanky version of Thunderer?
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A very nice write up, a big thanks for information . Its been a hard road to learn lol
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y no Star Blazers partnership??
Wolfswetpaws replied to TangledThorns's topic in General Game Discussion
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Ten battles is usually enough for me to get a grasp about most ships... you gan check my stats, very few of my ships have over 20 or 30 matches played in total. Those that have more are usually from an older "phase" or farming tools. Well, it maybe long if your standard for lenght is a Twitter post. Being accustomed to read a couple hundred pages a day, 6 paragraphs are hardly relevant for me. As for the drama, I write on first term for my own enjoyment so pleasing your literary taste is not my objective here.
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As mentioned before I ran AA Gneisenau after I ran into that kind of player when using my Tier VII Saipan. The AA surprised the hell out of me and what nutjob puts AA builds on German BBs? That guy was one. It was all due to the dual purpose 128mm guns. The German 105 DP guns were terrible for AA but not the 128s in the game. The only German BBs with 128s in the RTS era were VII Gneisenau and X GK. There's also the common expectation that German BBs were mostly going to be in Secondary Spec or the occasional Main Battery Build. As said, nobody did AA on them, right? After I ran into that AA Gneisenau player I talked with him in port via PMs. He confirmed what I felt in the match, he was crazy enough to do an AA Build. He gave me the numbers which were better than my Atlanta, and that was when ATL was an AA Goddess. Even the range on AA Gneisenau was better. Anyways, with the bad AA reputation of German BBs, how they normally are specc'ed, AA Gneisenau was a magnificent trap for CVs. Even seeing Tier IX Essex & Taiho, very dangerous CVs, especially Triple TB Cross Dropping Taihos, AA Gneisenau would give even them a black eye and make them pay for it. They thought they had an easy meal ticket with a Tier VII German BB hanging out all by it's lonesome... CV players upon seeing their squads evaporate: It used to be fun gutting CVs of their aircraft. This deplaned them or at the very least, weakened their air strikes later on so they could not nail my teammates with full strength squads later on.
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Q&A about little details of the historical Pan-American warships!
Wolfswetpaws replied to COLDOWN's topic in Battleship Era
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True, but the points are still going to be valid going forward. If one doesn't like a ship with Ohio's play style, then they aren't going to like it no matter how many games. Which leads to a bigger question: Why get it in the first place if you don't like the playstyle. And if it because we said so:
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Come back after 100 more battles. She's a great ship. My 8 year old has a 55% win rate with her in randoms
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To late on that refund. its already been used.
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Ten battles and you're prematurely drawing conclusions in a long, dramatic post. Typical.
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This would be the ideal solution and the "take away" from this thread. A more fluid system to report these types of events "on the fly" would help keep the environemnt cleaner.
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I'm guessing WG doesn't want to make it that easy. If it were, WG would get bombarded with tickets, because people would abuse this feature. I personally wouldn't feel the need to reply, but I do agree with you. Let both parties blow off steam, and then be done with it. If one party feels the need to be overly abusive, or grossly out of line, then reporting would be appropriate.
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That was… unexpected…
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Developers need to play test their game more
Kuckoo replied to Tapioka70's topic in General Game Discussion
Many have understood for years - including even WG itself at one point - that subs would be extrinsic to the game. It's not (or shouldn't be) difficult to understand. We've seen reactions to their presence time and time again, from the marked drop in server population when subs released, to the countless, daily anti-sub threads in the forums, to the still-continuing "glad subs aren't in this match" comments in the game chat, to the toxic chat directed particularly at subs that have just been sunk, etc... WG have outdone themselves in implementing a type that might possibly be more hated than post-rework CVs. That's an achievement. -
It can. And it was a very windy day. My own stupid fault for going riding, I am very aware of that. Painfully so. Literally.
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U gonna LOVE this one.... Haxxor Complimen.. I mean accusation : )
HazeGrayUnderway replied to Col_Nasty's topic in General Game Discussion
Which reminds me. Players were fine with some of these Cruisers and even Battleships going at super ridiculous speeds. Speeds far beyond what they were ever designed for. Georgia, Engine Boosting French BBs, Bayern, Normandie (designed for 21kts in WWI, goes 29.5kts in WoWS ). Henri IV running down Destroyers, etc. But hold on now! Submarines going faster than they should have! "That not realistic, WG!" -
Very true. There are two kinds of bikers: those who've fallen and those who will. It's just a shame my bike got so busted up. I'll likely be out of pocket at least $2000 to get her roadworthy again, let alone all the extras like the fairing and cases. Those aren't necessary for function, but they were expensive.
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I had very high expectations about Ohio given she's often flauted as "Best RB ship" and all that jazz. My disappointment was monumental to put it mildly, I honestly fail to see what's all the hype about this ship. Maybe it is because I'm spoiled by Thunderer, Bourg and GK. Maybe it s because I don't really click with the passive, sleep inducing playstyle this ship seems tailored to. Maybe it is because I've been extremely unlucky with the MM draws I've been having with this ship, to the point I believe she has the secret perk "Useless team DDs" ingrained in its code... whatever the cause, it has been a "hate on first sight" situation, I hate Ohio and she hates me with a passion. It all starts with what is likely the clumsiest hull I've had the misfortune to play in this game. This thing takes 2 years to speed up and one month to turn its rudder, she's the embodiment of Newton's First Law and her mass generates such a powerful gravity well that pulls every torpedo in the area towards her hull. This hulk is utterly incapable of any type or reactive dodging unless the torpedoes are spotted weeks in advance and a written notification has been sent in triplicate to the ship's helmsman. I am not just annoyed but hurt in my "torpedo dancer" pride to have taken more torpedoes in a couple matches playing this ship than what I take in a regular month of playing the game. It is shameful and to add salt to the wound I've been also torpedoed by Subs 2 times (not sunk but got a faceful of torps I would had easily dodged in a "normal" ship). So what does get in return this lumbering torpedo catching device? I'm not impressed by the firepower, 8 guns even if 457 mm don't deliver a volume of fire I would consider remarkable. It certainly feels inferior to Thunderer, which is much more patent in the HE performance, which I consider very lackluster in Ohio. Imo, her strong suit is delivering plunging AP shells on BB targets at 20+ kms of range, which I grant she does competently if your aim is true, you'll get some Cits on unsuspecting, predictable targets. Landing long range shots on something performing active dodging is very unreliable, given the flight time is significant when your shells need to re-enter from orbit. So, 8 barrels of hard hitting but slow AP shell, mediocre HE, uninspiring RoF for an 8 gun BB... this is nested firmly in "meh" territory. The hull is tough as nails and very hardy you would say... I couldn't care less about it I say in return. AP mitigation goes by basic angling and situational awareness so I don't need the hull to have a triple layer of vibranium armor, what I need is decent mobility and concealment values to control the engagements, which is sorely lacking here. As impervious as Ohio can be to AP, she is as vulnerable to Fire as anything else and we already covered how unsuited she is to survive a torpedo heavy environment. Does she have excellent survivability?... imo not really, she might have good resistance to specific types of damage but remains very vulnerable to some common damage sources, overall just rates average in my book. All of this before even entering the annoying reality of the world this ship is called to inhabit. A world where decent screening does not exist, making good mobility and vision control of paramount importance. A world in which you'll need to deal with multiple DDs, Submarines and other torpedo sources in every match... did I already complained about the 6km Airstrike range? This ship fits the current meta like my foot fits a nail. I think I can finally grasp all the hate I read on the "current" state of the game... if this is the sort of ship you like to play and the gameplay style you cherish... I totally get why you hate the guts out of everything. I don't blame the environment (meta), it is what it is... I blame the ship that sucks in such meta, and I blame myself for expending my RB points in a museum ship. Now I'm stuck with this cancerous red stats on a ship I loathe to play, which is also cursed with the worst case of "you'll lose no matter what" any of my ships have had in recent memory. I have not had any decent DD player share my spawn in any of the games I've played so far, each and every game my flank has been deserted or the DD died 5 minutes in. Each and every match I have had zero vision control, zero screening (I had one match with a decent Sub tho). Even then, I lost 3 matches on points after having beaten back the enemy because the point disadvantage was too great to overcome despite my best efforts. This ship is too clumsy and unwieldly to be able to operate on heavy torpedo environments, meaning you can't succesfully push caps held by torpedo totting ships...and there's no shortage of those: Shimakazes, Yamagiris, Yueyangs, Hallands, IJN CLs, Pan-Asian CLs, Submarines... At least GK has a hydro that can provide you a window for aggressively pushing torpedo units, Ohio gets a middle finger. I would gladly refund this ships for half my RP points if that were an option. /Rant off
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At the same time, staff is making the effort to change players' mentality and making the case, this is not tolerated. If the police chief in a given jurisprudence, is telling the populous a certain crime will not be tolerated and victims are encouraged to file a report. Yet, people still will not report the crime ( either because of red tape or laziness), then this issue will continue to happen even with, increased scrutiny. I view it as You can take a thirsty horse to the pound but you cant force it to drink situation.
