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Poll: Which is the worst CV that you will scrap as soon as you can? (75 members have cast votes)

Which is the worst Japanese CV?

  1. IV - Hosho (17 votes [22.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.67%

  2. V - Zuiho (11 votes [14.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.67%

  3. VI - Ryujo (10 votes [13.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

  4. VII - Hiryu (6 votes [8.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  5. VIII - Shokaku (2 votes [2.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.67%

  6. IX - Taiho (1 vote [1.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.33%

  7. X - Hakuryu (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. I have not reached high tiers yet / I have not played them yet (28 votes [37.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 37.33%

Which is the worst American CV?

  1. IV - Langley (5 votes [6.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  2. V - Bogue (25 votes [33.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  3. VI - Independence (10 votes [13.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

  4. VII - Ranger (14 votes [18.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.67%

  5. VII - Saipan (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. VIII - Lexington (6 votes [8.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  7. IX - Essex (3 votes [4.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

  8. X - Midway (1 vote [1.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.33%

  9. I have not reached high tiers yet / I have not played them yet (11 votes [14.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.67%

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_Marines #1 Posted 10 October 2016 - 07:01 PM

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In the right hands, most CVs are awesome, but they are certainly a few that we wouldn't want to keep as soon as we have grinded to the next tier. What are the CVs that make you feel sad everytime you play and desperately need a buff?:aqua:

 

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Kapitanleutnant_Ford #2 Posted 10 October 2016 - 07:10 PM

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I haven't made it too far with the CVs yet, they are my least played class. The Bouge was definitely one I was eager to move past. 
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Fishrokk #3 Posted 10 October 2016 - 07:21 PM

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Got the tense of the verb wrong - I voted the T6's, but the correct tense in this case is "have scrapped".

 

Why?

View Post_Marines, on 10 October 2016 - 07:01 PM, said:

In the right hands, most CVs are awesome,

 

Realized that I actually have the "wrong" hands.


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I'm pretty sure this is no longer the case, but pre-aircraft rework Ryujo was awful.  Especially because I also got to her before Cleveland was nerfed.  I still wouldn't touch her with a 99-foot pole because of how bad that was for me.

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hiroshi_tea #5 Posted 10 October 2016 - 07:29 PM

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Independence was that horrible cv for me.  The most suffering I've ever had due to combination of the small hangar and the bump in aa effectiveness that you see in tier 6
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Bogue is by far the worst CV out of all of them - least squads for a CV (1/1/0). Just that alone makes it the worst. I wouldn't say any of the IJN CVs are bad, but the Zuiho would probably be currently the worst due to power-creep

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ValkyrWarframe #7 Posted 10 October 2016 - 08:00 PM

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View PostTenguBlade, on 10 October 2016 - 02:26 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure this is no longer the case, but pre-aircraft rework Ryujo was awful.  Especially because I also got to her before Cleveland was nerfed.  I still wouldn't touch her with a 99-foot pole because of how bad that was for me.

 

Post-aircraft rework Ryujo isn't much better...

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CarefreeTongue #8 Posted 10 October 2016 - 08:20 PM

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Ranger is the shittiest CV I have ever played. Only its strike loadout can compete in terms of damage but it doesn't have any fighters.
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Barritus #9 Posted 10 October 2016 - 08:56 PM

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I love the differences in win rates and average damage between IJN and US CV lines.

_Marines #10 Posted 10 October 2016 - 10:21 PM

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View PostFishrokk, on 10 October 2016 - 02:21 PM, said:

Got the tense of the verb wrong - I voted the T6's, but the correct tense in this case is "have scrapped".

 

Why?

View Post_Marines, on 10 October 2016 - 07:01 PM, said:

In the right hands, most CVs are awesome,

 

Realized that I actually have the "wrong" hands.

 

:teethhappy:Haha..

 

Would you say that Ryujo and Independence are equally bad, or Independence is even worse?

 

View PostBarritus, on 10 October 2016 - 03:56 PM, said:

I love the differences in win rates and average damage between IJN and US CV lines.

 

I do find that the WG's initial proposal of IJN CVs being strike ships and USN CVs being AA defence makes no sense. In reality, the USN CVs just underperform.

 

I would rather have a balanced gameplay and the performance is about the players' skills, not the line they choose.:unsure:

 

 



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View Posthiroshi_tea, on 10 October 2016 - 07:29 PM, said:

Independence was that horrible cv for me. The most suffering I've ever had due to combination of the small hangar and the bump in aa effectiveness that you see in tier 6

 

^^^^^ This

 

Ranger is not far behind it. 


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cometguy #12 Posted 10 October 2016 - 11:22 PM

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Looks like the answers hold be every usn cv except Saipan. So there's apparently no reason to play the us line.

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View PostCarefreeTongue, on 10 October 2016 - 08:20 PM, said:

Ranger is the shittiest CV I have ever played. Only its strike loadout can compete in terms of damage but it doesn't have any fighters.

 

try flying with the standard setup, it gives more damage than the AS setup and fighter coverage while still giving you the ability to use TB's. You will have 1 less squadron overall but if you NEED fighters then thats an option.

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View PostSystemrename33576, on 10 October 2016 - 10:18 PM, said:

 

try flying with the standard setup, it gives more damage than the AS setup and fighter coverage while still giving you the ability to use TB's. You will have 1 less squadron overall but if you NEED fighters then thats an option.

 

Problem with the standard setup is that it's worse across the board against the standard setups of both the Hiryu and the Saipan.
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SeaKnight_1990 #15 Posted 11 October 2016 - 04:34 PM

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For me, Langley is a keeper. I do plan to sell off my Bogue when I can afford the Independence, as with every following ship till the Midway.

 

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Caffynated #16 Posted 11 October 2016 - 05:27 PM

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I rushed through Indi without buying upgrades, but it wasn't a terrible ship. I just wanted to get to tiers with more squadrons since 3 just wasn't all that interesting.

HazeGrayUnderway #17 Posted 11 October 2016 - 08:55 PM

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I have run up to Tier VIII USN CV and Tier VII IJN CV.  I've played them all.

 

Except Bogue.  Even as a scrub player and running the USN CV line as my first ever CV line, one preview of Bogue's in-port stats told me enough to skip that POS.



Flashtirade #18 Posted 11 October 2016 - 11:19 PM

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You'll regret skipping the Bogue. Stock loadout is comfy af despite not having a way to stagger DoTs.

 

So far I've found no CV to be complete garbo, but the Ranger is just straight worse than the Hiryuu and it shows.


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View PostFlashtirade, on 11 October 2016 - 03:19 PM, said:

You'll regret skipping the Bogue. Stock loadout is comfy af despite not having a way to stagger DoTs.

 

So far I've found no CV to be complete garbo, but the Ranger is just straight worse than the Hiryuu and it shows.

 

I've gotten to Tier VIII USN and Tier VII IJN CVs.  I can confidently say all I missed with Bogue is wasting time, credits on a POS CVE.  Zuiho is 100x better.

Shoukaku_Kai_Ni #20 Posted 12 October 2016 - 01:03 PM

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All of them are great. I enjoy playing all of them and have great success (all of them >50% WRs). I have higher WRs in the USN CVs but that's because I started that line second.

 

I'm not sure I'll play T4s again since I don't want to play as the lowest tier.


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