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Sir_Godz #41 Posted 14 September 2016 - 03:56 AM

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View Postslags83, on 14 September 2016 - 03:00 AM, said:

I'm all for capitalism and what not, but Eugen just seems like a half assed cash grab on the part of WG. I love premiums and I love spending money on this game, but I don't love it enough to spend ~$45 real dollars for a ship I already own with a fancy paint job. The commander XP benefit is of dubious value for me since I already have Roon and I have Tirpitz to train BB captains.

 

This is what really amazes me about WG and their lack of marketing ability. KM cruisers have been around for over a year and only now they come out with a prem ship for the line. I likely would have bought a eugen at a fair/appropriate price for what it offers the player back when but at this point in the game the value of such a ship is even less than it would have been. Certainly far less than they are asking. They could have just offered a super camo for the hipper but then they couldn't justify cough cough.. what they are deeming "worthwhile" for the eugen.

 

The next line do to come out if rumors are true is the KM DD line. When will a complimentary prem come for that?



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I was really disappointed with Prinz Eugen as she was put in game.  I really expected more of a ship that fought The Mighty Hood alongside the Bismarck.  Even more so considering the ship survived two nuclear detonations.  *shrugs*  I was expecting her to be the jewel at Tier VIII.

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View PostSir_Godz, on 14 September 2016 - 03:56 AM, said:

 

This is what really amazes me about WG and their lack of marketing ability. KM cruisers have been around for over a year and only now they come out with a prem ship for the line. I likely would have bought a eugen at a fair/appropriate price for what it offers the player back when but at this point in the game the value of such a ship is even less than it would have been. Certainly far less than they are asking. They could have just offered a super camo for the hipper but then they couldn't justify cough cough.. what they are deeming "worthwhile" for the eugen.

 

The next line do to come out if rumors are true is the KM DD line. When will a complimentary prem come for that?

 

The Tirpitz came out before any other german ships and you are not limited to class just nation. So there is that. Also, I have spent a lot of money on this game and I thought there new marketing was fine. I understand some people were upset because people in our culture have no patience. Some times a delayed release generates more profits, other times it doesn't. So they tested it, and based off feedback/data they will adjust accordingly. Now, I am not saying the marketing team does everything perfect, but we also don't know what there internal schedules look like.



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View PostBartMancuso, on 14 September 2016 - 03:27 AM, said:

Sir_Godz,

 

The word is 'doubloon.'  Perhaps in addition to learning how to spell, you can go back to school and learn how businesses actually work and who actually makes the decisions.  Until you do, perhaps you should step away from the keyboard and let the adults participate in a civil discussion. 

 

 

hahaha. you go for the cheap shot spelling mistake to try and discredit the argument? go back to school and learn how to debate effectievely. Until you do, perhaps you should step away from the keyboard and let the adults participate.

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View PostNuk_, on 14 September 2016 - 01:40 AM, said:

 

Atago is $47 by itself, what makes you think the Prinz would be so much cheaper?

 

Its not a pixel by pixel quantifiable equation - its called moving the product.  If you want stuff to sell it need not be equal to another.  Prices are meant to move product.  

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1st of all: I LOVE LOVE LOVE my german history and this being put in the game made me so happy.

2nd: I cant see what People complain about if they dont it dont complain.

The ultimate decision lies with you WG.

Yes we may as a gamer have a small % in the decision but as i said you have ultimate decision what get put in the game


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View PostSir_Godz, on 14 September 2016 - 04:02 AM, said:

View PostBartMancuso, on 14 September 2016 - 03:27 AM, said:

Sir_Godz,

 

The word is 'doubloon.'  Perhaps in addition to learning how to spell, you can go back to school and learn how businesses actually work and who actually makes the decisions.  Until you do, perhaps you should step away from the keyboard and let the adults participate in a civil discussion. 

hahaha. you go for the cheap shot spelling mistake to try and discredit the argument? go back to school and learn how to debate effectievely. Until you do, perhaps you should step away from the keyboard and let the adults participate.

You focused on only the first line of his post and ignored the meat of it. Maybe you should reply to his whole post or step away from the keyboard and let the adults participate. 


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I love the ship, and  I liked this deluxe package. Basically Eugen, Warspite next sale, 30 days premiums time, a flag I don't care about and credits. One thing I DO like about the staggered release is it wasn't Eugen mania, I have not seen more than 1 on each side in a battle so far.

 

 

I also think that this ship was my best purchase after the Tirpitz. I enjoy german cruiser play, I need experienced captains, and this delivers the commander xp with decent credit earning. I do think it should come with both camos, that would greatly boost sales of this pricey hipper clone for players that don't need the captain exp bonus. As it is people are looking at more than 60 bucks for the basic package with both camo patterns.


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Wash0ut #49 Posted 14 September 2016 - 05:26 AM

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Just a little something for flavor, gameplay-wise. Would that have been such a stretch? "Only German ship with radar!" (Who says it has to be particularly *good* radar, eh?) Or... "Hey, you get some Slot 3 upgrades available, pick your own topping!" (OP? Arkansas Beta has all of them at Tier 4!)

 

I just can't shake the notion that a little creativity in this area was curbed or nipped in the bud because of a perception of the inherent desirability of Prinz ("Feuer! Feuer!"). And so *now* was high time for an "experiment" in "totally-not-P2W premiums".


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I'm going to be pretty blunt on this one. As is - I already think that your ships are overpriced in most cases. Most tier 6 premiums are under 20 dollars but here it's over or lose to 30. And premiums are relatively consistently more expensive here. I mean you look at the tier 8 medium tanks in WoT, a pretty good analog to this game's cruisers - only one matches or exceeds the price of 45 dollars. The majority are just over 30. So, I'm left to wonder what went into Prinz that makes it so super special that it cost's that much money. I'm all for speedy crew training - I'd rather see it in the form of accelerated training like the other two games but crew trainers are good too. But if it's essentially the tech tree ship, that XP boost isn't really worth the extra 15 dollars we'll call it for the ship. Same applies to Warspite and other ships that are a bit high on price even compared to other's of your companies games. Why is Tirpitz in the same price range as the T8 heavies but cruisers tend to get price hiked it seems? I get limited time offers but they make more sense for things like say Fujin or brief resales on ships considered OP. But on essentially a tech tree clone with a different name and paint that trains crew a bit faster and makes additional xp that's near worthless (sorry Wargaming, but lots of us don't have the money to convert free xp and so that xp on ships might as well be 20-30's deutche marks. I don't have the funds to convert the nearly million free xp I have and it just sits there - which gives both premiums AND tech tree ships less value in my book). 

 

As someone that took a few business classes, and generally did well I might add, a lot of the stuff concerning premium ships seems like tripping over dollars for dimes. Drop the bare bones to 35 and/or put it in the tech tree for dubloons you'll likely see more sales and profit than if you go with what you got because your looking at pricing out buyers. Especially on something that while they won't get the bonuses, they can likely just get a skin for. Fujin at least while being to my knowledge a Minekaze clone was relatively cheap (I simply had no funds at the time) and Tirpitz is different than Bismarck, and the rest are generally unique. I just can't see how it's worth it at that price and I like my historical ships, I was ticked I had no money for Arizona, but it was easier to swallow the idea of 30 than 45.

 

Also, ARP is a bad analogy to this. I'm sorry but again brutal honesty here - anyone that left the game over those ships inclusion is likely someone the community doesn't need. All they really are are free reskins of ships in game, earned from missions, that earn extra credits, and can be turned off so you only see the crazy colours when a player on the other team uses one, if that. Leaving over that is quite frankly, stupid. I didn't see anyone leaving WoT over the tank from "Fury" being in game, after being sold for money in the shop. Pretty much everything about this Prinz Eugene bit - Whole different can of worms, that bite, and is filled with nitroglycerin. The community in large has seemed to feel the ship is overpriced, can't disagree with them. And I get it, sometimes you have to go with innovation that may annoy people and drive some away. But, I'm going to take a wild guess that pretty much every other time you've offered a bundle, the majority went for the bare bones ship because honestly, the modernizations aren't really worth real money and neither are credits. And because most of us probably can't drop that money on a whim because we make little - no money so opt for the cheapest. Now, factor that in, the current climate in the country for the last several years between haves and have nots (occupy movement, water usage in the western US where theres a drought and using excessive water but hey "they paid for it", etc), and the debates on the fine line of "what determines P2W"and the like how would you not see a massive backlash coming from that group? You mention how some tactics look bad in comparison to history and expectations - this is one of them. Now, how it looks from the outside, a little debatable but regardless - that shouldn't even be a thing because sure, a third party might see that from the outside, but what should be considered is what does your customer see, because they are the ones who will either spend money, not spend money, or take the money elsewhere. Theres calculated risk, which ARP ships generally I think can fall under, and then there is just bad decisions and risks - this tends to fall under the that.

 

And I have watched similar things happen in Warplanes, and because they got to a point they've turned even some of their staunchest supporters against them with bad decisions, bad risks, and the like, have watched that game sink under the weight of them. This game has had some issues and missteps that have turned pretty ugly in a hurry, especially when it comes to things people pay for, such as the Humble Bundle issue last year if I recall correctly. Innovation and new things don't always go over well. You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs - but it's problematic when you set the stove on fire and then the house because the omelette's gone too. When it comes to money, taking a risk on an innovation needs to be weighed really heavily onto how the consumer is going to respond and how worth it it is to lose or anger them, and is usually better to play it safe.

 

Theres a saying that one angry customer can cost you ten more as they tell people of negative experiences. And in this day and age of social media, it couldn't be more true. 



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View PostCapt_Binkley, on 14 September 2016 - 03:17 AM, said:

 

Good grief... it's called free enterprise.

 

It is a two way street. Businesses have freedom to make decisions in how they operate and what products they offer. Customers have the freedom, especially where luxury goods are concerned, to determine where and how to spend their money. If a company alienates all of its customers, such as in the name of short term profits it may put its long term profitability and survival in jeopardy.

 

I'm fine with WG doing some experimentation in offers. I admit I don't usually buy the special bundles and the Prinz Eugen, despite its historical significance, doesn't really interest me as a gameplay item.



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I think people are disappointed that they wanted a Premium Ship the likes of the Paytago.

We're spoiled by Tier 8 with gimmicks that we expected Pudding to have something gimmicky in gameplay.


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Hell I wish they charged more so It would stay a rare ship.  

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WG,

Thanks for taking the time to communicate. I am waiting for the 23rd of Sept, to purchase the PE. I really enjoy your game and look forward to the new cruiser line.


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i would be nice to know: repair costs (base-sunk) % of gain (siver) for every premium ship when sold + every special. imho

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View PostSir_Godz, on 13 September 2016 - 10:43 PM, said:

FU WG, working as intended.

I have disregarded everything this person says after this display of rudeness. We can only hope for a reprimand for this individual who speaks for himself, not the community. 



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Besides the release of the more expensive bundle first people ware "mad" because Eugen is just a slightly worse Hipper and it dosen't have anything special like a heal . hell even a speed boost or anything that makes it stand aside Hipper, Yes it has 50+ more cmd bonus but that is like giving candy to a candy addict, wont slove that the ship it's a slightly worse Hipper

 

My point is even if the ship has Prinz Eugen skinned all over and it been modeled after Prinz at his core even if i repeat myself again it's just a slightly worse Hipper with nothing to make people buy it in masses as was with Atago or Kutuzov.

 

Probably any special consumable would have made people buy it because not everybody that plays a naval game knows the history of Prinz to buy it just for that, hell it's my fav ship and i joined the game with the hope that one day i will see it in game but even if it is in game it's kinda dissapointing looking at other prems that have a special consumable and this dosen't because overall Hipper is not that great at all to begin with, no wonder that all youtubers and comunity contribuitors said to not buy it unless you dont want to grind the KM CA line.

 

As my opinion ,radar would have been great on it to stand out and be the only KM cruiser with some flare and to be a real DD hunter with that good hydro and radar.

 

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@ Boyarsky,

Thank you for the explanation of what was going on.  Hopefully that will silence some of the complaints, but not all.



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I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what everyone is on about.

 

In this game, everyone has their thing they like as far as ship classes.  For those of us that like the German cruisers, and enjoy the Hipper, the Prinz Eugen is a nice addition.  For me, it was that nice addition.  Not from just the "premium" standpoint, but also the historical one.

 

As far as the comparison between the Hipper and the PE, are they different, yeah.  How much different?  On paper yes they are different.  When you start to get down to it, yeah there are the stats here and stats there that make it different.  But it goes back to the Hipper.  If you don't like it, you won't like the PE.  They feel almost the same.  Depending on the mood, the map, and who you're with sets the tone just like any other ship in a match and how its used but they feel and handle almost identical.

 

For the cost, the base cost of the PE is going to be $48.99, the Atago is $47.86.  If the complaint that it is more expensive is such that $1.13 is that which puts it in the category of having to complain about it, then have at it.  But when you look at the package deal and what it comes with and start to do the cost break down, it comes out to something like $35 or $37.  All the extra stuff can be looked at as a discount as well depending on how you add it up.

 

Right now, that extra $1.13 is something extra I get to play a ship that has the extra perk of the extra captain training on top of it being a ship type and class with the sister ship being something I enjoy.  I appreciate the information from Boyarsky about what was going on.  It doesn't stop me from wanting to have something that I enjoy and hopefully some others feel the same way I do.



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View PostBoyarsky, on 14 September 2016 - 01:51 AM, said:

2Judge_Doom:

Any premium ship in our game has a base price in doubloons, which is defined by its Tier, Class and some other minor factors.

It would be unfair to offer a way for new players to skip the grind without paying a reasonable price for it.

But your point makes me believe that there is a way we could resolve this conflict. Personal offerings with discounts based on previous achievements in game, for example.

We will explore these options.

The price of 2-4 full games is what you call "reasonable"?






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