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Judge_Doom #121 Posted 07 February 2017 - 09:02 AM

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View PostSourNote666, on 07 February 2017 - 02:08 AM, said:

 

yeah then why is Tirpitz still on sale?

 

often wonder that myself, seems they would have stopped selling it a long time ago if it was the case of not wanting a ship that was sorta OP and not flooding the game with them.  Must be to much of a viable money maker for them to stop selling it.

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Seadog_Supreme #122 Posted 07 February 2017 - 05:32 PM

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You get a Tier 8 German cruiser without the grind and as they said, with Premium ship benefits. I don't want WoWS to be pay-to-win. Prinz Eugen has a little better win rate than Hipper, what more do you want? I would consider buying it at some point for the Premium Ships benefits even though I have Hipper. Yes, it's pricey, but Star Citizen ships sell for up to $300. I know people who play a lot and have never spent a dime on this game. Let the company make some bucks.

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View PostSeadog_Supreme, on 07 February 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

You get a Tier 8 German cruiser without the grind and as they said, with Premium ship benefits. I don't want WoWS to be pay-to-win. Prinz Eugen has a little better win rate than Hipper, what more do you want? I would consider buying it at some point for the Premium Ships benefits even though I have Hipper. Yes, it's pricey, but Star Citizen ships sell for up to $300. I know people who play a lot and have never spent a dime on this game. Let the company make some bucks.

 

 

The stats for Hipper and Prinz Eugen are virtually identical, as one would expect.   It is thus an exaggeration for anyone to claim that Eugen has any real advantage.

 

Face it:  The Eugen offers very little.   One can grind to the Hipper and then buy the premium camo package for it, for only $14.79, a small fraction of the cost of the Eugen.   And you will then get most of the benefits of having a premium ship.

But more than anything else, the Eugen is easily the worst value for your money in a Tier 8 Premium.   Both the Atago, and especially the Mikhail Kutuzov, are way outperforming it at Tier 8.  Why would anyone want to spend so much money for such an underperforming ship?

The Eugen has thus clearly been overpriced for what you get.  Server stats back up the fact that Atago and Kutuzov are superior ships.

 

If Wargamming wants to continue to sell the Eugen in the future, then they really should lower the price oft the ship.

 

 



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    I... wouldn't buy the PE again due to price and similarities with Hipper. But... for whatever reason, the Hipper is one of my favorite cruisers in the game (not due to win rate) and the PE offers the chance to play the ship and earn serious silver as well as train skippers quickly.  And the captain skill reshuffle really seems to favor this ship as well.

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I have the Hipper and Prinz Eugan.  The Prinz Eugan was a favorite Revell model of mine when I was young, but it ended up in a dumpster in the early 1980s.

Before I got the PE, I was going to stop at the Hipper, but now that I have this tier 8 German cruiser, I can continue the grind up to the next level.

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It's unfortunate the Prinz Eugan didn't get the fanfare and acceptance that other premiums get.  If there wasn't the controversial 'Marketing Experiment', I think folks would feel much better of it.  As it stands, it's pretty to look at and it fights well.  Most importantly, it will remain after I sell the Hipper - which doesn't have much fame, except for a British Destroyer ramming it.


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Hey

I would love to add the Prinz Eugen to my German fleet but it's not available, even with the problems mentioned, I would still add it.  I did pick up Scharnhorst this weekend and it's a blast to play, better than my Gneisenau in my opinion.  

 

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View PostEdgecase, on 13 September 2016 - 05:54 PM, said:

 

In the case of Hipper/Eugen, this would be particularly interesting. Elited Hipper? Half off Eugen! (as an example)

 

It might also help in the case of ships that are nearly unplayable without previous experience like Saipan.

 

This is logical!

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View PostBoyarsky, on 13 September 2016 - 08:29 PM, said:

 

2Das_Schlippo: who defines the distinction between money grabbing and fair monetization tactics?

The mere restriction of premium content to payers only without the ways to earn it for free may be considered as money grabbing.

Some tactics just look bad in comparison to history and expectations, but are perfectly neutral if you look at them from the outsider's perspective.

Having said that, we realized that this innovation will drive negative reactions. But we can't stop trying something new just because of this concern.

When we released Arpeggio in January we also knew there will be negativity. However, it turned out over time more players enjoyed non-historical fantasy content than left our game because of it.

Maybe this is not a perfect analogy, but I'm just trying to illustrate a burden of decision maker to make such calls and then either succeed or learn.

In this case we've learned something. :)

 

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rododavico #129 Posted 22 March 2017 - 01:46 PM

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Never understood why was it placed in T8 when it could have been easily put in T7 and THEN it would have had some kind of value.

Ok, that's more like it.

Wait... wat?

 


AVR_Project #130 Posted 22 March 2017 - 07:50 PM

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Why get a premium at all?

Answer:  They don't cost anything to play in Co-Op.

I have the Hipper.  If I take away flags, camo, premium, and fair RNG, I will lose credits on a less than average battle.

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With the Prinz Eugan, all I need to do is get a couple gun hits, and I'm in the positive credit cash-flow direction.

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There are no concerns about grinding or trying to achieve anything.

Just sail along in Co-op and don't worry.  You paid for your toy..  now enjoy!!


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I love my Prinz, got it in a Christmas crate.  Not the best CA, but a damn good one.  Good division ship for sure with some smoke (Kut/RN/DD).

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View PostWhiteRecon, on 24 March 2017 - 12:12 AM, said:

I love my Prinz, got it in a Christmas crate.  Not the best CA, but a damn good one.  Good division ship for sure with some smoke (Kut/RN/DD).

 

 

I don't think that anyone here has argued that it is a bad ship.   The argument is more that as far as actual game play goes, it offers nothing unique compared to Admiral Hipper.   There is nothing that offers any combat advantage.  Yes, you have the economic benefits of a premium ship.   And the ability to train and share captains is nice too.  But is that enough to justify paying the high price it cost?   I honestly don't think that it did.

If I am going to spend money on a premium ship, it needs to offer more value than just the lower service cost and better silver earning capability.   It needs to also offer something unique in terms of game playing capabilities too.

Now if wargaming decides to like reduce the cost of their premium ships by HALF, then i would consider it.   But at the current prices that they charge for T8 premiums, I am looking for more value than what Prinz Eugen offered.   And other Tier 8 premium ships like the Atago, Kutuzov, and Tirpitz do indeed offer just that.

 

If you look at the number of games currently being played on the NA server with Prinz Eugen, it is in 9th place out of the 9 T8 cruisers that are in the game.   And the number of battles it is in is less than a fourth of what the #8 position T8 cruiser has.  I honestly don't believe that many people bought the ship, which is probably why Wargaming pulled it.

 

Indeed, I think that Wargaming is realizing that if it wants to sell lots of Premium ships for big dollars, the ships need to be above average, and offer some unique competitive features  in game play.   Otherwise, people will not buy them. 

 


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View PostLance53, on 24 March 2017 - 08:43 AM, said:

I don't think that anyone here has argued that it is a bad ship.   The argument is more that as far as actual game play goes, it offers nothing unique compared to Admiral Hipper.   There is nothing that offers any combat advantage.  Yes, you have the economic benefits of a premium ship.   And the ability to train and share captains is nice too.  But is that enough to justify paying the high price it cost?   I honestly don't think that it did.

 

WG made no secret out of it that Prinz Eugen is basically a Hipper with some modifications. But I listed all the differences here: http://forum.worldof...__fromsearch__1

I have made use of the Captain Training benefits and it is insane how fast she earns Captain XP. With some flags I can see her as a printer.

 

View PostLance53, on 24 March 2017 - 08:43 AM, said:

If I am going to spend money on a premium ship, it needs to offer more value than just the lower service cost and better silver earning capability.   It needs to also offer something unique in terms of game playing capabilities too.

 

Not all Premium ships offer something unique, some of them are basically copies of their Tech Tree counterpart with some smaller improvements. Not everyone can be a Graf Spee.

 

View PostLance53, on 24 March 2017 - 08:43 AM, said:

Now if wargaming decides to like reduce the cost of their premium ships by HALF, then i would consider it.   But at the current prices that they charge for T8 premiums, I am looking for more value than what Prinz Eugen offered.   And other Tier 8 premium ships like the Atago, Kutuzov, and Tirpitz do indeed offer just that.

 

Prinz Eugen is a ship for those who mastered the KM Cruisers. Can you use AP to it's fullest? If yes, you will be of more value than an Atago or Kutuzow. Kutuzow is an HE spamming AA fortress sitting in smoke. But she is fragile, just like Eugen. Eugen has above average armor for a Cruiser thanks to her increased turtleback. And Atago is a floating citadel.

 

View PostLance53, on 24 March 2017 - 08:43 AM, said:

Indeed, I think that Wargaming is realizing that if it wants to sell lots of Premium ships for big dollars, the ships need to be above average, and offer some unique competitive features  in game play.   Otherwise, people will not buy them. 

 

And this leads us to Pay2Win...


 

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