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metalhualer5165 #1 Posted 13 August 2016 - 10:30 PM

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Wargaming are you planning on adding German carriers to WoWs in a line or a premium ship. If anyone else thinks that German carriers may be a good idea to add this ship class to the German tech tree in a premium or a line let's talk about it. I think that adding German CVs will add more diversity to WoWs in gameplay and choices of every player in the game.

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They're probably gonna come eventually, but it's gonna be a few years.

BladedPheonix #3 Posted 13 August 2016 - 10:35 PM

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doubt it, Germany only had 1 CV design. SO maybe they might make the Graf Zeplin a premium CV, but given how Everyone complained how OP the Saipan was, I doubt WG would even do this as well!:read_fish:

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Well its an idea plus the saipan is a tier 7 with tier 9 planes. The Graf Zeppelin could be a tier 7 carrier premium with tier 8 or tier 7 planes. 



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In M.J Whitley's German Capital Ships of World War II, there are 4 other alternative designs discussed, two large Atlantic raider carriers with heavy guns (11-inch in two turrets forward of the flight deck-hybrid carriers that could handle about 36 navalized airplanes like the Bf109 and the Ju87) and two light fleet carrier types that could handle between 24 and 36 aircraft each depending on the load-out required for the mission. That gives you a range from about Tier 5 to Tier 10 including Graf Zepplin. It would be interesting to see these in the game, especially the hybrids. Who knows? WoWs does weird things sometimes

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View PostBladedPheonix, on 14 August 2016 - 12:35 AM, said:

doubt it, Germany only had 1 CV design. SO maybe they might make the Graf Zeplin a premium CV, but given how Everyone complained how OP the Saipan was, I doubt WG would even do this as well!:read_fish:

 

And russians had 1 cruiser and 1 dd but that didn't stop WG for making 2 entire lines

 

Also they said that they will make another prem CV since saipan didn't broke the game ( see QandAs )


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View PostPrinzMakaay, on 13 August 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

 

And russians had 1 cruiser and 1 dd but that didn't stop WG for making 2 entire lines

 


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There were enough designs to fill out a complete lineup for the Kriegsmarine but in light of the present CV predicament I don't see anyone rushing to welcome a new CV line, mind you the RN had a much more credible lineup.

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View PostGrandAdmiral_2016, on 13 August 2016 - 10:54 PM, said:

In M.J Whitley's German Capital Ships of World War II, there are 4 other alternative designs discussed, two large Atlantic raider carriers with heavy guns (11-inch in two turrets forward of the flight deck-hybrid carriers that could handle about 36 navalized airplanes like the Bf109 and the Ju87) and two light fleet carrier types that could handle between 24 and 36 aircraft each depending on the load-out required for the mission. That gives you a range from about Tier 5 to Tier 10 including Graf Zepplin. It would be interesting to see these in the game, especially the hybrids. Who knows? WoWs does weird things sometimes

 

That is a very good way of thinking of the tier system something different than tier 4 to 10. Tier 5 to 10 or Tier 6 to 10 CVs for the germans would be something different.

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Most likely 1 premium and that's it.


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Certainly possible, but I can't see them tackling German CVs until they've done RN CVs AND German DDs, two lines that have much more basis in actual, historically constructed ships.

 

So I suspect it will be quite a while before they get to a full German CV line, if ever.

 

A one-off German premium CV would be more probable, IMHO.


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View PostForgMaxtor, on 14 August 2016 - 12:01 AM, said:

Certainly possible, but I can't see them tackling German CVs until they've done RN CVs AND German DDs, two lines that have much more basis in actual, historically constructed ships.

 

So I suspect it will be quite a while before they get to a full German CV line, if ever.

 

A one-off German premium CV would be more probable, IMHO.

I think that WG would add the german CVs after these two as well



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WG should take it easy on paper ships. So as others have stayed, the Graf Zeppelin was the closest Germany got to launching a carrier, so perhaps bringing her into the game as a Premium. 

 

The next Carrier line should be RN as the third most sifnificant carrier naval power after US and IJN. 

 

The second carrier lines or CVE lines for IJN and US ate more historically relavant.


WG, please remove Air Superiority Carrier loadouts from the game. I'm sure that if you looked at Air Superiority Win Rates vs Balanced or Strike Win Rates, your data will show you the vast inferiority of this loadout in its ability to help their team's chances to win. Meanwhile, they are encouraging the balanced or strike CV player to stop playing CVs due to decreasing their enjoyment of the game and creating frustration. Removing Air Superiority loadouts, and "re-balancing" the balanced and strike loadouts is the easiest fix to the current CV problem. Match the air power of both nations for equivalent loadouts. Ideally, players should be able to select their loadouts in-game, not in port. This way, they are able to adapt to enemy CV's actions and it adds an extra element of tactics and strategy, rather than being at a disadvantage already at Port. 


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There was one Ar 197 premium aircraft back when WoWP had Carrier-based Fighter designation...it was removed because there was only one plane with that designation in the German tree, ever: Itself. It was only reinstated after the "Multirole fighters" category that encompasses ordnance-capable fighters was introduced...

 

I wouldn't be so sure about one-off premium in an established tree...it makes the specialized crew for the said one-off unusable elsewhere.



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You can bet WoWS will eventually offer, at least, a premium Graf Zeppelin.

There will be plenty of players willing to pay for one.

Premiums are one of the most lucrative methods for WG to get players to part with their money.

 



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View Postaethervox, on 16 August 2016 - 11:31 AM, said:

You can bet WoWS will eventually offer, at least, a premium Graf Zeppelin.

There will be plenty of players willing to pay for one.

Premiums are one of the most lucrative methods for WG to get players to part with their money.

 

^ True. Graf Zeppelin is the only German CV they almost complete. And other 4 German CV are: German CV 1 (1942) & German CV 2 (made out of incomplete French cruiser De Grasse never finish), & on paper Jade-class CV. With German Cruiser Seyditz the Fourth Hipper was incomplete trying to make into CV but scrap. If they had more time to finish them in time they could made a difference. 


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IJN: all
USN: all
Kriegsmarine​: still in process of negotiate for it come to game
​U.S.S.R.: ask Xero_Snake how it going on it
​HMS: still in process
France: Béarn ​need to negotiate​
​Italian:  Aquila need to negotiate
​Except for few other ship class for a small fleet.
 

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View PostTheHunter2_EAD, on 17 August 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

^ True. Graf Zeppelin is the only German CV they almost complete. And other 4 German CV are: German CV 1 (1942) & German CV 2 (made out of incomplete French cruiser De Grasse never finish), & on paper Jade-class CV. With German Cruiser Seyditz the Fourth Hipper was incomplete trying to make into CV but scrap. If they had more time to finish them in time they could made a difference. 

 

Lol, the only difference completed CVs would have made for Germany in WW2 would have been denying steel and machinists to the construction of tanks, meaning the Russians roll them harder and the iron curtain would have been further west than IRL. 

 

But, it would make a German CV line a higher probability if they had.

 

All that said, I think Graf Zepplin will happen eventually (it should print $$! For WG). There are enough carrier designs and proposed conversions to fudge a full carrier line (this is also true of France and Russia, not sure about Italy). The bigger issue is the shortage of appropriate aircraft for the carriers  (except for France). The largest issue is the presently sorry state of carrier gameplay. If WG can actually make the interface fun/easy to use and if they can ever figure out exactly what it is they want CVs to *do* in game  (in such a manner that makes a fair slice of the player base willing to play them), then we are far more likely to see new CV lines added.



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View PostTheHunter2_EAD, on 17 August 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

^ True. Graf Zeppelin is the only German CV they almost complete. And other 4 German CV are: German CV 1 (1942) & German CV 2 (made out of incomplete French cruiser De Grasse never finish), & on paper Jade-class CV. With German Cruiser Seyditz the Fourth Hipper was incomplete trying to make into CV but scrap. If they had more time to finish them in time they could made a difference. 

View PostEl_Judarino, on 17 August 2016 - 03:31 PM, said:

 

Lol, the only difference completed CVs would have made for Germany in WW2 would have been denying steel and machinists to the construction of tanks, meaning the Russians roll them harder and the iron curtain would have been further west than IRL. 

 

But, it would make a German CV line a higher probability if they had.

 

All that said, I think Graf Zepplin will happen eventually (it should print $$! For WG). There are enough carrier designs and proposed conversions to fudge a full carrier line (this is also true of France and Russia, not sure about Italy). The bigger issue is the shortage of appropriate aircraft for the carriers  (except for France). The largest issue is the presently sorry state of carrier gameplay. If WG can actually make the interface fun/easy to use and if they can ever figure out exactly what it is they want CVs to *do* in game  (in such a manner that makes a fair slice of the player base willing to play them), then we are far more likely to see new CV lines added.

 

What I said is a maybe or What if. Beside just Graf Zeppelin only premium CV things may get boring. At least with Graf Zeppelin can we have German CV 2 or On paper Jade class CV?


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IJN: all
USN: all
Kriegsmarine​: still in process of negotiate for it come to game
​U.S.S.R.: ask Xero_Snake how it going on it
​HMS: still in process
France: Béarn ​need to negotiate​
​Italian:  Aquila need to negotiate
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