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blautiger #1 Posted 20 April 2016 - 11:14 PM

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I know this is not a computer forum but if you read my other posting you folks know I am having problems with my computer low fps.  http://forum.worldof...-for-low-fps/.  So here is the spec of 3 computer. with approximate prices.  Which one would you get and why?  Need you advice. 

 

Computer 1 Dell @$800

Processor & Memory:

  • Intel® Core i7-6700 Processor 3.4GHz
  • 16GB DDR4 2133MHz RAM
Drives:
  • 1TB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
  • DVD-RW (Writes to DVD/CD)
Graphics & Video:
  • 4GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 745 Graphics
Audio:
  • Integrated 7.1 with Waves MaxxAudio® Processing

 

computer 2 Lenovo @$850

Processor & Memory:
  • Intel® Core™ i7-6700 Processor 3.4GHz
  • 16GB DDR4 RAM
Operating System:  
  • Microsoft® Windows 10
Drives:   
  • 1TB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive + 120GB Solid State Drive
  • DVD-RW (Writes to DVD/CD)
Graphics & Video:   
  • 2GB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 960 Graphics

 

Computer 3 Lenovo @$600

Processor & Memory:

  • Intel® Core i7-4790Processor 3.4GHz
  • 12GB DDR3
Drives:
  • 1TB 7200RPM
  • DVD-RW
Graphics & Video:
  • 2GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 730
 
  • Integrated 7.1 with Waves MaxxAudio® Processing

 



Lert #2 Posted 20 April 2016 - 11:21 PM

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#2, simply because a GTX 960 will run circles around a GTX 745 and the i7 6700 is competitive enough. Don't even consider the GTX 730 as a 'gaming' card. Not only is it two generations old by now, but it's also the base, budget, low performance version of that two generations old architecture.

 

"But the GTX 745 has 4gb frame buffer, the 60 only 2!"

 

The 960 is still gonna be way faster.

 

To compare, I have an i5 4590 with 8gb RAM and a 2gb GTX 960 and run ~60 FPS stable at absolute maximum settings at 1600x1200. #2 PC should perform about the same, if not better - seeing as how the i7 6700 is slightly better than my i5 4590.


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Chien_Lu_Anderman #3 Posted 20 April 2016 - 11:25 PM

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In my opinion ( and I do not know much ) #2 is what you should go with . The GPU is a good bit better and ( from what I've seen  on this forum ) the solid state HD is a good thing .   You can see in my sig what I have and I paid more then $850 for it two years ago ( I have no problems with fps so have not gotten a SSHD ) .

 

 

 

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Koschka #4 Posted 20 April 2016 - 11:26 PM

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Personally I would get the 2nd one if you got the money. The first two are better choices as they use the new 1151 sockets and the 3rd using the 1150 socket for the CPU. Meaning the first two should have more legs to be upgraded longer and the 2nd one has a better GPU. So looking long term that's what I would get.

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View PostLert, on 20 April 2016 - 05:21 PM, said:

#2, simply because a GTX 960 will run circles around a GTX 745 and the i7 6700 is competitive enough. Don't even consider the GTX 730 as a 'gaming' card. Not only is it two generations old by now, but it's also the base, budget, low performance version of that two generations old architecture.

 

"But the GTX 745 has 4gb frame buffer, the 60 only 2!"

 

The 960 is still gonna be way faster.

 

To compare, I have an i5 4590 with 8gb RAM and a 2gb GTX 960 and run ~60 FPS stable at absolute maximum settings at 1600x1200. #2 PC should perform about the same, if not better - seeing as how the i7 6700 is slightly better than my i5 4590.

 

This.

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DelroyMonjo #6 Posted 20 April 2016 - 11:33 PM

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Go with the comp with the 960 video.   What Lert said.  Are those desktop comps or laptops?  I couldn't find a Lenovo desktop at that price with those specs.
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RAM 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 933MHz (10-11-10-30)
Motherboard ASRock Z87 Extreme6
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These guys above are correct but don't go with a premade go to cyberpower or ibuypower one of those cheap guys and customize it.  That way you don't get stuck with a bad PSU you can't upgrade your next GPU with, or something you didn't quite want.  Just set it up so you can upgrade it piece by piece in the future as needed, get a nice big cheap box and make your life easy.  Plan to become a do it yourselfer after this one.  Save yourself trouble down the road.

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View PostMoksie, on 20 April 2016 - 11:40 PM, said:

These guys above are correct but don't go with a premade go to cyberpower or ibuypower one of those cheap guys and customize it.  That way you don't get stuck with a bad PSU you can't upgrade your next GPU with, or something you didn't quite want.  Just set it up so you can upgrade it piece by piece in the future as needed, get a nice big cheap box and make your life easy.  Plan to become a do it yourselfer after this one.  Save yourself trouble down the road.

 

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View PostDelroyMonjo, on 20 April 2016 - 11:33 PM, said:

Go with the comp with the 960 video.   What Lert said.  Are those desktop comps or laptops?  I couldn't find a Lenovo desktop at that price with those specs.

 

they are desktop

blautiger #10 Posted 20 April 2016 - 11:53 PM

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View PostChien_Lu_Anderman, on 20 April 2016 - 11:25 PM, said:

In my opinion ( and I do not know much ) #2 is what you should go with . The GPU is a good bit better and ( from what I've seen  on this forum ) the solid state HD is a good thing .   You can see in my sig what I have and I paid more then $850 for it two years ago ( I have no problems with fps so have not gotten a SSHD ) .

 

I am not a computer person.  #2 have really two drive right?  So you load Warship on the SSHD to get the faster speed benefit?  And how when you download warship you just specify that the Warship go to the SSHD drive. 

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View Postblautiger, on 20 April 2016 - 06:53 PM, said:

 

I am not a computer person.  #2 have really two drive right?  So you load Warship on the SSHD to get the faster speed benefit?  And how when you download warship you just specify that the Warship go to the SSHD drive.

 

Nor am I that much , just what I have seen here on the forums .  Given that ; Moksie is the most expert I have seen and when I am ready to upgrade I will certainly ask his advice .

 

 

 

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Also, hiiiiiiiighly recommend not getting a thermaltake power supply.

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amaROenuZ #13 Posted 21 April 2016 - 12:08 AM

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Number 2 is in theory best, but to be honest, you're really better off just buying components and assembling them yourself. Putting together a computer is really quite easy, even for a complete novice. If you already have a case and a decent PSU (500-600 is more than enough for most people), you could get out with a fairly good rig for the same price as those prebuilts you're looking at. Even if you factor in 100 dollars to ask your computer-savvy friend (And trust me, you have one, they just might try not to advertise it), 700 dollars can get you an I7, motherboard, GTX 970, HDD and 16gb if you shop smart.

 

Also, listen to Reinhardt. I recommend Corsair for your PSU, they're reasonably priced and have good build quality.


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blautiger #14 Posted 21 April 2016 - 05:36 PM

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Thanks for all of your advice from all of you.  My choice is #2 but it is still a little out of my budget.  So I am going to shop around.

 

I think it is the computer I log into to WOT have been there for a while and I got 30+fps no problem. 

 

thanks again all. 



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View Postblautiger, on 21 April 2016 - 09:36 AM, said:

Thanks for all of your advice from all of you.  My choice is #2 but it is still a little out of my budget.  So I am going to shop around.

 

I think it is the computer I log into to WOT have been there for a while and I got 30+fps no problem. 

 

thanks again all. 

 

​Hey you can make a rig for less than $600 using 6 year old parts that will run this game on max settings.  You could buy a used rig and fix it up.  The world is full of people that think it's smarter to buy a new(junk) rig at best buy every 2 years than it is to maintain one for 7 years.  Because they think it's to complicated to reinstall windows and bother to google windows event viewer for diagnostics.  All you have to do is put a PSU SSD and a budget gaming GPU in gramma's  email checker and you could be at max settings.

Not saying you should.  You should always look to the future, anticipate your needs.

 

Shop smart don't get sold on the hype and waste money buying latest and greatest stuff you can't afford and don't need.

Lert and that 730 are a great example here:  They make a brand new prebuilt and stick a 4 year old non gaming GPU in it and sell it to suckers.  This is ok for gramma's email not for gaming.

They sell right at this moment brand new architecture GPU's that can't run games....  People say "Oh it's brand new Problem solved!"

Why do they do this?

"There is a sucker born every minute"  -Barnam

Spend some time on toms hardware and look at stuff and google and learn, you can do it.

It's only as complicated as you want it to be.

 

I could buy a brand new xxx non gaming GPU for $100 and not be able to run a game on normal settings.

I could buy a 5 year old AMD flagship GPU for $50 and have twice the performance plus.

But then the Intel guys would make fun of me.......


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View PostMoksie, on 21 April 2016 - 05:44 PM, said:

 

​Hey you can make a rig for less than $600 using 6 year old parts that will run this game on max settings.  You could buy a used rig and fix it up.  The world is full of people that think it's smarter to buy a new(junk) rig at best buy every 2 years than it is to maintain one for 7 years.  Because they think it's to complicated to reinstall windows and bother to google windows event viewer for diagnostics.  All you have to do is put a PSU SSD and a budget gaming GPU in gramma's  email checker and you could be at max settings.

Not saying you should.  You should always look to the future, anticipate your needs.

 

Shop smart don't get sold on the hype and waste money buying latest and greatest stuff you can't afford and don't need.

Lert and that 730 are a great example here:  They make a brand new prebuilt and stick a 4 year old non gaming GPU in it and sell it to suckers.  This is ok for gramma's email not for gaming.

They sell right at this moment brand new architecture GPU's that can't run games....  People say "Oh it's brand new Problem solved!"

Why do they do this?

"There is a sucker born every minute"  -Barnam

Spend some time on toms hardware and look at stuff and google and learn, you can do it.

It's only as complicated as you want it to be.

 

I could buy a brand new xxx non gaming GPU for $100 and not be able to run a game on normal settings.

I could buy a 5 year old AMD flagship GPU for $50 and have twice the performance plus.

But then the Intel guys would make fun of me.......

 

Just clearly.  If I go with #2 that is a good one.  And #2  which is a lenovo box I still can upgrade (new cpu gpu, HD) in the future.  If so I just have to find one at the right price. 

 

B t the way 1TB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive + 120GB Solid State Drive  OR   Just 1TB 7200RPM SATA3 Hard Drive



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View Postblautiger, on 21 April 2016 - 02:37 PM, said:

 

Just clearly.  If I go with #2 that is a good one.  And #2  which is a lenovo box I still can upgrade (new cpu gpu, HD) in the future.  If so I just have to find one at the right price. 

 

B t the way 1TB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive + 120GB Solid State Drive  OR   Just 1TB 7200RPM SATA3 Hard Drive

 

​Ya bro you'll be fine, nothing wrong there.

The combo with the SSD and then just be in the habit of shuffling stuff to one drive or the other.  That terabyte will be slow because it's so big.  Easiest thing in the world to later on in life plug in an SSD with a sata wire and tape it to the chassis or let it hang.  For that matter strip your old rig of it's drive and plug that in for another back up drive...


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#2 as it has the SSD and the video card.

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If you have a microcenter near you, go there and talk to the people in the DIY computer department.  They know gaming usually.  They can build you a custom rig, and they can help you pick the parts to use.  For my money, pass up on the spinning drives, get a SSD for sure it is so fast spinning drives might as well be 5.5 inch floppys.  I have an Invidia Gtx970 with 4gigs on it and it is wicked fast. get a good processor and mother board since they are just as important.  If you can afford it do it this way, you get the best and you pick what you want.  Here is what I have, a Samsung Pro SSD 250gb, An Asus Hero VII motherboard, an intel i7 4790K processor, an invidia gtx 970, 16gigs of memory and oh yeah Verizon Fios 50Megs up and down.  Not bragging here but if you want to run max in graphics and experience no lag or frame loss this is the rig.  Good Luck to you.

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o.k. guys.  I got #2.  But here is the problem.

 

Fresh out of the box.  Error beeps.  Called tech service people who sold me the computer.  They said it was an internal problem said I can return it to the store.  Went on line turn out that ram card issue.  Open the box and took out the first card and put it back in place and saw that the last card was not snapped in place.  Snapped it in place and it worked. 

 

My question is should I return it to the store and get an new one at this point.  The store will not give me any problems.  They have a generous return policy.  I have 90 days.  I guess the question is... Is this machine more likely to have problems because of its bad first start.  







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