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piplnr65656 #1 Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:36 AM

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Has anyone heard if the IJN capital ships have access to the Common Type 3 Sankaidan Anti-Aircraft shell for main and secondary guns? Possibly as a premium round.

Crag_r #2 Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:41 AM

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KGB has already said that they are looking into Beehive rounds and other medium to large caliber AA for the Japanese ships (including the 18.1")

However individual ammo types have not been released yet.

lets get this straight though, in real life these were known to Allied Pilots as harmless fireworks...


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Jager_Panther1 #3 Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:52 AM

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View PostCrag_r, on 16 January 2013 - 12:41 AM, said:

lets get this straight though, in real life these were known to Allied Pilots as harmless fireworks...

yeah, but the awesome factor is pretty high up

Edited by Jager_Panther1, 16 January 2013 - 12:53 AM.


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Jracule #4 Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:54 AM

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These shells did more damage to their own barrels than to enemy aircraft. During IJN Musashi's final battle, a Type 3 is reported to have disabled one of her guns.

Perhaps add them as premiums. Excellent AA ability at the cost of possibly disabled guns and an increased repair bill  :Smile_trollface:

piplnr65656 #5 Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:03 AM

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View PostCrag_r, on 16 January 2013 - 12:41 AM, said:

KGB has already said that they are looking into Beehive rounds for the Japanese ships (including the 18.1") please take a look around before making a topic or asking the Q&A section.

lets get this straight though, in real life these were known to Allied Pilots as harmless fireworks...

I searched Common Type 3 Sankaidan Anti-Aircraft Shell and several variations of it and found nothing.

What are we getting straight because while yes, the only time the 18.1" rounds were used "these were known to Allied Pilots as harmless fireworks" the 8" and 5" were very effective on small ships/boats (PT Boats and the like) and didn't the Nagato take out a few planes with Sankaidan rounds?

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Crag_r #6 Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:05 AM

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View Postpiplnr65656, on 16 January 2013 - 01:03 AM, said:

I searched Common Type 3 Sankaidan Anti-Aircraft Shell and several variations of it and found nothing.

Thats because you are better off looking for Beehive


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piplnr65656 #7 Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:12 AM

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View PostJracule, on 16 January 2013 - 12:54 AM, said:

These shells did more damage to their own barrels than to enemy aircraft. During IJN Musashi's final battle, a Type 3 is reported to have disabled one of her guns.

Perhaps add them as premiums. Excellent AA ability at the cost of possibly disabled guns and an increased repair bill  :Smile_trollface:

No document or authoritative source I know of gives any indication that Type 3's damaged the barrels to any special degree, nor is there any characteristic of the shell or propellent that would raise such concerns. There was a very good reason for not using Type 3's--they were useless as an AA weapon and interfered with the real AA systems. If they had any value, it was as bombardment ammo. If they were gun wreckers, why would they be aboard in the first place? Is there any source other than scuttlebutt that verifies that Type 3's were damaging? While According to Musashi survivors' memoirs, Captain Inoguchi used this excuse (might cause serious abrasion of the barrels) when he denied the Musashi's ordnance officer's request of firing Type 3 shells. The Kongo fired a hundred Type 3's at Guadalcanal and suffered no apparent problems

Krieg #8 Posted 16 January 2013 - 05:12 AM

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Keep in mind fellas that "historical' is irrelevant when it comes to game balancing.

ScarredJosh #9 Posted 16 January 2013 - 05:23 AM

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We also have to keep in mind how much of a hassle it would be for game balancing if they allowed nation specific abilities. If they allow the AA rpunds, why not allow radar assistance for the US BB's main armament? it would get messy...

Wunderwaffen1945 #10 Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:43 PM

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we shall see that, either i never used premium ammo and probably never will.....where is fun in that


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Gohibniu #11 Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:21 PM

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They are useless against ships with armor. Would be spectacular against DD or thinly-armored CL

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View PostGohibniu, on 16 January 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

They are useless against ships with armor. Would be spectacular against DD or thinly-armored CL

Probably inferior to regular HE though, due to much reduced fragmentation effects. I could see them being quite effective at setting lightly armoured ships alight however...

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That was my thought too, burn baby burn!

Edited by piplnr65656, 16 January 2013 - 05:56 PM.


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View PostElouda, on 16 January 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

Probably inferior to regular HE though, due to much reduced fragmentation effects. I could see them being quite effective at setting lightly armoured ships alight however...
Sounds a bit like what the Japanese did during the battle of Tsushima... :Smile_smile:


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Gohibniu #15 Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:14 PM

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View PostJeeWeeJ, on 16 January 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:


Sounds a bit like what the Japanese did during the battle of Tsushima... :Smile_smile:

My thoughts exactly. Russians changed their armor layout after that mess.

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I've just read the latest batch of answers from KGB. He has confirmed that Japanese ships will have access to the Sanshiki shells.

Gohibniu #17 Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:42 PM

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It appears Tirpitz had large frag shells as well for as duty.

Elouda #18 Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:32 PM

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Pretty much any HE shell could be used for AA if fitted with a time fuze - there are tables for the US 16in/50 for AA use.

However, the reality was that weapons of this size weren't effective in the anti-air role, because 1) their rate of fire was so low and 2) they disrupted the use of lighter AA weapons while firing.

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Agreed, but that only applies if you're not the recipient of such fireworks near your craft.   :Smile_trollface:

View PostCrag_r, on 16 January 2013 - 12:41 AM, said:

KGB has already said that they are looking into Beehive rounds and other medium to large caliber AA for the Japanese ships (including the 18.1")

However individual ammo types have not been released yet.

lets get this straight though, in real life these were known to Allied Pilots as harmless fireworks...






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