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kyle26_2016 #21 Posted 18 May 2017 - 12:32 PM

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View PostSgtSullyC3, on 18 May 2017 - 12:28 PM, said:

Oh please. Be quiet. I play a lot of Battleships (look at my stats) and even I hate the whiners that say DD OP.

 

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BurglarOfBanff_ff #22 Posted 18 May 2017 - 12:33 PM

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DD's are the counter to BB's.  Working as intended.

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Proud member of [WAIFU], nothing beats Prinz Eugen

 

Torpedoes don't have any friends. So they will kill everything in their path. To prevent team kills we should all watch out where we fire those fishes. That means each and everyone of us, DDs of the second line!

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RivertheRoyal #24 Posted 18 May 2017 - 12:37 PM

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View Postkyle26_2016, on 18 May 2017 - 04:32 PM, said:

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Right then...let's calm down slightly, shall we?  

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View Postkyle26_2016, on 18 May 2017 - 02:32 AM, said:

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View PostRivertheRoyal, on 18 May 2017 - 02:37 AM, said:

 

Right then...let's calm down slightly, shall we? 

 


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Destroyer_Radford #26 Posted 18 May 2017 - 12:46 PM

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"Every feature in this game favours DDs"

Selective memory is a hell of a thing.

 


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View PostRivertheRoyal, on 18 May 2017 - 07:37 AM, said:

 

Right then...let's calm down slightly, shall we? 

 

Let's not. I like to see OP's head explodes from rage. Figuratively, of course.

 

And of course OP is not saying DDs are OP. He's saying DDs are causing him harm and are not easy auto-kills for him. Tiny ships without armor or big guns logically should be food to big ships with thick armor and huge guns, right? I mean, why would anyone wants to play BB if it's not the case?


BB's camping is a disease. And Type 93's are the cure.


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Hey I have an idea for how you can see how wrong you are first hand. Go play a DD... and constantly fire your guns so everyone can see you just fine. Let us know how fun that is for you, because when you say remove stealth entirely that's the gameplay experience you're saying DDs should have. Always spotted. Always a target. No sneaking. No ambush.



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View Postkyle26_2016, on 18 May 2017 - 08:32 AM, said:

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That's not what you said, stupid. You said that as soon as anyone nerfs a destroyer (speaking specifically about DDs, not any other classes) they start whining, implying that DD players are the coddled, OP class. When did you say anything about you hating all classes whining about their favorite ships? 

Or maybe you said something and I missed it because of your horrible, first-grade level grammar...

Roasting aside, you're whining about whiners?


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View PostRivertheRoyal, on 18 May 2017 - 08:37 AM, said:

 

Right then...let's calm down slightly, shall we? 

Sure! I'm totally not pouring gas on the fire there...^


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View PostSgtSullyC3, on 18 May 2017 - 04:49 PM, said:

Sure! I'm totally not pouring gas on the fire there...^

 



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View PostTTK_Aegis, on 18 May 2017 - 07:47 AM, said:

Hey I have an idea for how you can see how wrong you are first hand. Go play a DD... and constantly fire your guns so everyone can see you just fine. Let us know how fun that is for you, because when you say remove stealth entirely that's the gameplay experience you're saying DDs should have. Always spotted. Always a target. No sneaking. No ambush.

 

I don't think OP is willing or able to understand this. Nor does he care about one else's experience playing any ship. He cares about only his experience in his ship. Period.

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BB's camping is a disease. And Type 93's are the cure.


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DDs are like... several times larger than they are irl in game. You think hitting them NOW is bad? If DDs were scaled in size properly you'd be tearing your eyes out in frustration even if you could see them all the time.

 

USS Edsall got fired at by a whole IJN surface task group of BBs, CLs, and CAs, for HOURS and dodged it all, getting close enough to fire torps which almost hit, and even close enough to fire its own guns at extreme range. The IJN had to send out "26 Type 99 divebombers" to disable Edsall before the surface force resumed fire and finally sank the Clemson class.


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View PostMadwolf05, on 18 May 2017 - 12:11 PM, said:

 

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C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! !

This is the best part of this entire post!

(but don't keep us in suspense; WHAT HAPPENS TO RED LOBSTER!?!?!?!


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My Kagerou says Hi and reminds you that except for it's Stealth she doesn't have anything else. Her speed is low, the guns are crap, not as many Torps as the USN ships, only the Concealment is good. So let her have that at least.

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Torpedoes don't have any friends. So they will kill everything in their path. To prevent team kills we should all watch out where we fire those fishes. That means each and everyone of us, DDs of the second line!

No my name does NOT refer to those things from Odysseus! They refer to those loud things attached to a fire truck. Not to beautiful girls singing on the Ocean.


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View PostRivertheRoyal, on 18 May 2017 - 08:51 AM, said:

 

 


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View PostBurglarOfBanff_ff, on 18 May 2017 - 08:33 AM, said:

DD's are the counter to BB's.  Working as intended.

 

Actually, not working at all.  Notice the OP said he dodged six salvos of toprs, not mentioning getting hit by one torp.  Imagine how happy he'd be if he regularly went 0 for 6 salvos in your BB.   Really, with the reload times being so high for torps it would be more like 12-15 salvos in a BB. 

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OP wants the game to be World of Battleships because he can't handle that different ship types have different strengths and weaknesses. Concealment tactics is a real thing in naval warfare, and it should be reflected in game and in real life, a BB is detected long before a DD. As it is they took away concealed gunfire from DD's, so stop sailing your BB in a straight line and learn some defensive tactics or otherwise face the fact you're going to be outplayed all the time.  
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View PostDestroyer_Johnston, on 18 May 2017 - 07:20 AM, said:

Look at real life... During the battle off Samar the Johnston charged the center force alone and during her torpedo run she was under fire and didn't get hit once.. she only got hit after getting into CQB range of Kongou. So if you want destroyers to be spotted all the time then good luck hitting them. 

 

The captain of the Kongo would have a WoWS BBaBBy. After the engagement he swore up and down that he was attacked by a CL and a CA instead of a DE and a DD. Literally turned tail and ran.

 


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View PostThe_African_Queen, on 18 May 2017 - 12:05 PM, said:

I just had a battle with a DD and my BB. During this battle I dodged 6 salvos of torpedoes without ever catching sight of my opponent who didn't use smoke at any point. This was no fun, totally unrealistic and frustrating as hell. My secondaries should have blown him away despite the massive nerfing of them by Wargaming. Invisibility is ruining the game. Every feature in the game favours DDs. I didn't join this game to play DDs though I do play them. The changes made to make ships appear breifly were a joke as is the hopeless sighting rules.

 

OK, everyone has given OP a load of grief, and that's probably not all that helpful.

(and, yes; I know I am not known for being extra helpful, but I'm trying)

I think these tactics may help you dodging both DD's and their torps:

1. BB's are not meant to be played solo, so stay with a friendly cruiser (or two) to help scare enemy DD's away.

2. Use minor changes in both course and speed often, this really screws up a DD's aim.

3. Battleships are herd beasts; if you are by yourself you are vulnerable, STAY WITH THE HERD!

4. Head On is GOOD; Broadside is BAD.


 

There have to be about a thousand YouTube videos on how to BB, and how to BB in every BB in the game; watch some and try what they do.

Trust me, avoiding torps from DD's ain't all that hard; THE GUYS I PLAY AGAINST DO IT ALL THE TIME, LOL!!

Good Luck, (calm down), Have Fun, Enjoy!






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